What is behind NATO's bellicose statements against Russia


A rather strange and contradictory statement by Jens Stoltenberg, in which he expressed his readiness to fight with the Russians and to establish normal relations with them, is discussed quite widely in our country. Quite naturally, most people see in it another confirmation of the aggressive anti-Russian orientation of the North Atlantic Alliance, and it cannot be said that they were wrong.


However, the main reason for such an obvious ambiguity of the position expressed by the Secretary General of the main military-political bloc of the West is, perhaps, something else. Let's try to figure out what exactly.

No moves left


In his interview to the Spanish edition of El Mundo, Stoltenberg talks at length about the fact that the Euro-Atlanticists are ready to fight with Russia even tomorrow, but they are not even averse to making peace. And even very "will be happy to cooperate." Somewhat inconsistent rhetoric, don't you think? Some kind of split personality, which is usually a symptom of a serious mental disorder ... In fact, everything is in order with the head of the Alliance, that the absolute majority of his subordinates are all right. The problem is that they find themselves in a situation that they perceive as hopeless - and not without reason. Just recently, Moscow has not only demonstrated an absolutely unprecedented level of readiness for confrontation with the “collective West,” but has also taken a number of concrete steps in this conflict that have put the local strategists and analysts at a standstill: “Well, what, the Russians can do that anyway? ! "

The trouble with our geopolitical opponents is that they stubbornly continue to view Russia at the level of either the late USSR, or, even worse, the earliest, "Yeltsin" period of its history. That is, as a country for which the approval or condemnation of the "world community", the degree of interaction with it, and the like are critically important. In fact, they continue to see in us not a subject, but an object of geopolitics, and an object which, excuse the rudeness, can be used according to your own understanding. Our leaders are considered people who are still really "build" and "educate" as they please, unceremoniously dictating their conditions and interfering in purely internal affairs. And they will take it into their heads to balk, because you just have to intimidate or "punish" with sanctions - and they will calm down, like dear ones. Yes, it was once so ... However, the West itself did everything possible to change the situation radically.

Life without sanctions is, of course, better. Easier and nicer, anyway. However, starting to try to put pressure on the Kremlin after 2014, introducing more and more restrictions against Russia, denying it either export or import, trying to weaken the economy and thus "shake" the country, our Western "partners" have achieved an effect completely opposite to what they had hoped for. Everything that happened during this time, of course, did not make Russia richer. But it did not weaken, but, on the contrary, strengthened. And now the “game” that has stretched out for years has come to the point when our opponents practically “have no more moves”. Well, what else can they do? Introduce a total embargo on Russian energy resources? Somehow unlikely - in the current climatic conditions. Disconnect our country from SWIFT, as they threatened at the time? From the realm of fantasy - for the same reasons, and for many others. Should some other government officials be banned from entering some EU countries or the US? Forbid to sell us anything? So after all we will answer ...

As the events of recent years have shown, the country is quite capable of living without some Western "buns", and import substitution is not at all such an unreal thing, and even very useful for our economy, if, of course, it exists not only on paper. For the West (at least for now) there are very clear limits in opposition to Russia, and it is more expensive to go beyond them. Stoltenberg mumbles something about "full readiness for a clash", but he and everyone else at NATO headquarters know perfectly well how this clash, if it happened, God forbid, would in reality end. Look, the Poles, the very ones that are the "support of the Eastern flank of the Alliance" have already "fought" with us. Fortunately, in a virtual command and staff game, in which they "armed" with nonexistent in reality Patriot, HIMARS and F-35. All the same, it turned out to be a disgrace - the “Eastern Flank” collapsed in a couple of days, like a rotten fence ...

Uncontrolled Russia


Therefore, the words of the General Secretary do not sound threatening, but somehow bewildered and even somewhere helpless, that all the measures of influence on Russia conceivable for the "collective West" seem to have been exhausted. With practically zero result. And the Russians, as never before, clearly and openly demonstrate their unwillingness to obey and obey ... sorry, "follow democratic values", as the utterly discouraged Josep Borrell deigned to say. They did not want the "Maidan" in Belarus - and they did not allow it to be arranged. It was required by law (and at the same time in order to prevent a "color revolution" in the country) to send the "father of Russian democracy and the beacon of opposition" to places not so distant - and they sent him. The gentlemen, warmed up by the curators from overseas, decided to arrange a storm on this matter - they were reassured.

This was done, as far as possible, without unnecessary excesses, but very convincingly. At the same time, several Western diplomats who, like the unforgettable Victoria Nuland, decided to distribute cookies for the Maidan residents, were thrown out of the country like naughty kittens. Moreover, they guessed with this demarche exactly in time for the visit to Moscow of the chief diplomat of Europe - Josep Borrell, who was forced for once not to read morality to the submissively listening native audience, but to listen to the lectures from Sergei Lavrov himself. And to the belated attempts of this gentleman already from Brussels to complain about the fact that Russia is “moving away from Europe”, the head of our Foreign Ministry even replied with the words that such “relations” as those that Russia has with the West at the moment are worth - penny. And we are, in principle, quite ready to break them completely. With that, take it ... Yes, and added to this the sacramental: "If you want peace, prepare for war!" Apparently, Stoltenberg's confused speeches are just an attempt to adequately answer these words. A feeble attempt, in truth ...

On the other hand, they may well be considered a logical continuation of the revelations of the same German politicians, recently literally vying with each other to explain to some subjects especially concerned about the ideas of "punishing Russia" very specific points about the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. Yes, yes, the one that some people think is perhaps the best lever for "influencing Moscow." If you call a spade a spade - an excellent subject of her blackmail. For example, the chairman of the board of such a wonderful organization as the Eastern Committee of the German Economy, Oliver Hermes, gave birth to a whole article for the publication Handelsblatt, in which he intelligibly explains an extremely simple thing - the "funeral" of this project, which the most indefatigable Russophobes dream of, will probably cost the most as times Germany. Moreover, it will "backfire" all over Europe, because, according to Herr Hermes, "the weakening of the German locomotive of the European economy" will hit the entire European Union painfully.

In general, the inhabitants of the Old World, in the event of abandoning Nord Stream 2, according to him, “will pay not only with higher prices for generated energy, but also with a decrease in the security of supplies and an increased burden on the environment”. Oliver Hermes honestly admits that "the current period of cooling" is a reason to really appreciate the importance of uninterrupted energy supplies from Russia for the security and comfort of Europe. No less categorical is German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, who in a very harsh manner rejects even the very possibility of considering the termination of the pipeline construction as an "educational measure" for Moscow for the arrest of Navalny or his supporters. "These will be sanctions not against those involved in these repressions, but against the inhabitants of Europe and, first of all, 150 European companies, mostly German!" - concludes the head of the Foreign Ministry.

Moreover, as a high-ranking diplomat, Herr Maas thinks even more broadly. He predicts that "the attempt to burn all bridges with Russia" taking place against the background of "China's international isolation" will not only bring these countries closer together, but "push them into each other's arms" and lead to the embodiment of the West's greatest nightmare - "the creation of an economic and the military alliance "of Moscow and Beijing. But this is already a real prospect that can plunge into a cold sweat of horror not only Meuse and Borrell, but, perhaps, Stoltenberg and Biden, as well as all other Western leaders. And, at the same time, make them think hard about whether it is worth trying to “put pressure on our country” with the help of economic restrictions.

All of the above, I want to note, in no way means the transformation of the North Atlantic Alliance into something harmless and harmless for Russia. Not at all. The same Stoltenberg recently announced with great fanfare the commissioning of a "fleet" of five AGS RQ-4D Phoenix reconnaissance UAVs in Sicily, which "will operate on the Eastern and Southern flanks of the Alliance." That is - to spy primarily outside the borders of just our country. Not so long ago, he also confirmed NATO's intentions to "strengthen the defense capabilities of partner countries," meaning mainly such anti-Russian outposts as Ukraine and Georgia. In no case will the North Atlanticists stop nagging us wherever possible and trying to test the strength of our defense capability. At the same time, to go to a real armed clash with our country of NATO, whatever his Secretary General asserts, is capable only in a completely exceptional situation, or under conditions when its leaders are absolutely sure of their own multiple military superiority. Let's hope that nothing like this will ever happen and the head of the Alliance will be forced to continue to “formidably” talk about the readiness for war with the Russians, while clearly understanding the absurdity of such assumptions.
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  1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 17 February 2021 10: 46
    -14%
    In general, the usual verbiage from Neukropny. Stoltenberg said very clearly - if Russia wants war, she will get it, but the world is better and the West is ready for it.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 11: 27
      +5
      Stoltenberg said very clearly ...

      The key word is "said." This is just a bluff, a test for lice. And Stoltenberg said what he was told. It is not Stoltenberg or NATO that decides anyway. These small gestures are not worth paying attention to.
      As well as statements such as "Crimea - Ukraine", "Kuban, Rostov, Voronezh - Ukraine", "We will bomb Russia with ragged shells", etc. Whatever the child is amused ...
      1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 17 February 2021 14: 53
        -6
        And who decides?
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 16: 18
          +6
          The one who pays the money is your boss. Who decides for you which vaccine to use.
          1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 17 February 2021 19: 20
            -11%
            What kind of vaccine is decided by the state purchasing it. It will have to be upset, but in a week in Ukraine vaccination with Pfizer and Astra Zeneka begins, which are not available to you.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 19: 50
              +7
              An American messenger gave you the command. When they were getting ready to produce Sputnik under license in Kharkov, she commanded: "Fu".
              And we have been vaccinated for a long time. People do not die from Sputnik in dozens.
              And Sputnik is the only vaccine that has passed the full test cycle. Even the British praise her. We don't need your water from a puddle.
              1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 18 February 2021 19: 10
                -6
                What nonsense. The satellite began to be inoculated in parallel with the beginning of the third phase of the tests, but Pfizer passed all international protocols and only then began.
                1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 18 February 2021 19: 11
                  -6
                  And why do we need your Sputnik if vaccination with Pfizer and Astra Zeneka begins next week?
            2. Dear sofa expert. 18 February 2021 19: 55
              +5
              What kind of vaccine is decided by the state purchasing it. It will have to be upset, but in a week in Ukraine vaccination with Pfizer and Astra Zeneka begins, which are not available to you.

              Don't make people laugh.)
              You will be supplied with just two batches of vaccine with 117 doses each. This is nothing for a state with a multimillion population.
              In this quarter, it will be Pfizer, who actually has not proved himself so well: there are many “side-agents” (including fatal ones), plus poor protection from “mutants” ... and in the second quarter of the year - the scandalous Astra Tseneka , from which everyone shies away, like the devil. Medical staff in German hospitals flatly refuses to be vaccinated with this junk.

              Sputnik V is a good vaccine. Shows almost 100% protection in all age groups, with minimal adverse reactions.
              So you shouldn't have given it up.

              Anyway, it would be better to be silent. Look, even Kazakhstan is developing its own vaccine, and you are a non-state .. forever, like beggars, with outstretched hand.
              1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 18 February 2021 22: 59
                -5
                About Pfizer, stupidity. He has no more sideways than Sputnik, but about deaths in general, nonsense, not a single one with a proven connection with the vaccine. My close friend lives in Israel and I regularly communicate with him, and so over 40% have already taken root there. Pfizer and not a single serious complication, not to mention fatalities. And about 100% lies again, even your officials give 91%, and Pfizer has 95%. And two games are just the beginning, there will be more and more.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 18 February 2021 23: 02
                  +2
                  As for Pfizer, it’s stupidity. He has no more sideways than Sputnik, and about deaths in general, nonsense, not a single one with a proven connection with the vaccine.

                  I wish you to be instilled in this rubbish .. well, of course, if you are "lucky" and you get into those 117000.)
                  1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 21 February 2021 19: 49
                    -5
                    And what are your reasons for claiming that Pfizer is rubbish? On the basis of patriotism? With the same success I can say that Sputnik is rubbish.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 21 February 2021 22: 43
                      +1
                      And what are your reasons to say that Pfizer is rubbish?

                      I have reason to assert this. I have already given specific examples, I have no desire to repeat myself especially for you.

                      Here, read for yourself about "your" favorite Pfizer / Biontech, be moved by its effectiveness:
                      https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/Corona-Infektionen-in-Belm-beschaeftigen-Bundesregierung,corona6612.html

                      I might as well argue

                      You have not and will not have success here.
                      You are too stupid for this site.
                      1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 21 February 2021 23: 43
                        -5
                        Firstly, I'm not chasing success here, only paid bots need it, and secondly, when there is nothing to say on the merits, they get personal, which you have now demonstrated and therefore you yourself look like a stupid inflated turkey, thirdly, I will not even read your links - I wrote already here that my closest friend lives in Israel, I am constantly in touch with him, and so he said that more than 40% of the population had already been vaccinated there and no serious side effects were recorded, and the incidence curve has sharply declined. And I definitely believe him more than any left links. So the price of your "bases" is 3 kopecks on a market day
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 22 February 2021 00: 04
                        +2
                        And I definitely believe him more than some left links. So the price of your "bases" is 3 kopecks per market day

                        The "left link" I gave you is:

                        NDR (German Norddeutscher Rundfunk - "North German TV and Radio Broadcasting") is a public broadcasting company of the lands of Schleswig-Holstein, Lower Saxony, Hamburg and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.

                        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norddeutscher_Rundfunk

                        If you don’t even have enough intelligence, it’s not so much to read what is written there, but at least to "poke at lice" this link, you can continue listening to your friend.

                        If you still manage to read and understand what you have read, you can ask me the questions that have arisen already in the text. I can explain everything to you in more detail.

                        Until then, sorry. To prove to you the depth of your ignorance is not my goal.
                      3. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 22 February 2021 00: 31
                        -3
                        Merged. Well, expected. I can only repeat that I will trust my closest friend for sure more than you and your links. By the way, you don’t want to, I’ll share a link to the WHO website, if you know what it is, there is about coronavirus vaccines. And if you believe the links , then there is no greater authority in this area. So and so. So prove the depth of your ignorance to yourself.
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 22 February 2021 00: 55
                        +3
                        Merged. Well, expected.

                        Merged? From what?)
                        I gave you a link. It's interesting and the source is serious. Your WHO is familiar with the material of my link, and draws conclusions on this matter. If you want to get to the bottom of the truth, read. Can draw conclusions too.
                        There will be specific questions about the content, ask, I will answer you.

                        And so, your empty chatter - about nothing, it is you who merge.
                      5. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 22 February 2021 01: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Mykola Onishchenko
                        ... I wrote already here that my closest friend lives in Israel, I am constantly in touch with him

                        Dear sofa expert. This figure may not be a crest at all. Tramp1812 at first he also portrayed the crest at the beginning. Jews are in charge in Ukraine.
                      6. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 22 February 2021 13: 16
                        -2
                        Oh, already made me a Jew? :))) Yes, I’m not offended. Even if I were a Jew, I wouldn’t see anything shameful in that. But I understand that here the template just breaks - they say that all Ukrainians are Selyuk and Raguli, but what’s he here -that is, it’s just the chosen ones and the God-bearers who can think of something :)))
                      7. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 22 February 2021 13: 38
                        0
                        Mykola Onishchenko... I don't know whose you are, but I know for sure - you are not our friend at all. For us, this is about Russia and Ukraine.

                        But the fact that tramp1812 portrayed as if he was from Ukraine, then this is a fact.
                      8. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 22 February 2021 14: 47
                        -2
                        And I don’t make friends with anyone, only I don’t need to talk about Ukraine. I live here, and what do you have to do with Ukraine? And I don’t care about your “vagabond”.
                2. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 22 February 2021 13: 12
                  -5
                  So empty chatter is with you. So they did not answer - give you a link to the WHO materials on the effectiveness of vaccinations against coronavirus or do you want? which the WHO, most likely, does not even know, and not that some journalistic chatter is taken seriously.
                3. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 22 February 2021 13: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Mykola Onishchenko
                  So they did not answer - to give you a link to WHO materials on the effectiveness of vaccinations against coronavirus or do you want to?

                  Mikola, apparently, you are no longer needed. And to whom to give ... look! laughing
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              2. Dear sofa expert. 22 February 2021 14: 29
                +2
                So empty chatter is with you.

                Why is that? I gave you direct evidence that the pfizer / bayontech vaccine is far from as effective as someone would like.
                In the link that I threw off to you, and you, due to meagerness, did not manage to read, an article about a specific case:

                In a nursing home in the small North German town of Belm, 14 elderly residents fell ill at once, as well as several staff members. All of them were fully vaccinated (2 times + 15 days) with Bayontech / Pfizer.
                The vaccine could not protect them from the British "mutant" (Option B.1.1.7), although the creators of the vaccine declared it to be effective against the mutating virus. It was not possible to hush up this scandal, and the information went first to the all-German, and then to the world level. An official investigation was ordered, and vaccination with this "miracle drug" was temporarily suspended.
                There is hope that this vaccine will at least mitigate the course of the disease. But the very function of this drug, as a vaccine itself, cannot be considered successful.
                First, it has quite serious "side effects", which for the vaccinated means a certain risk.
                Secondly, no one knows yet what "effect" the new mRNA technology may have on the body in the future. This is also a risk.
                Third - A sick vaccinated person, even if he himself is sick in a mild form, nevertheless continues to be contagious, for the rest - both vaccinated and, moreover, not vaccinated. And this excludes the possibility of the so-called “herd immunity”, which is happening in Israel today.
                A huge percentage of people have already been vaccinated, and the number of infected is increasing every day. (see - WHO).
                The vaccine hardly works.

                to give you a link to WHO materials on the effectiveness of vaccinations against coronavirus or would you rather not?

                I can see the WHO data without your help, and if anything, I can help you look. And not on the Move, but in the original.
                Though I doubt it will help you.
                You do not even have enough intelligence to understand that for confirmation of the EFFECTIVENESS of the vaccine, at least a certain time must pass. No one knows yet how long such a vaccine can last. Month? Half a year? Year?

                But if the vaccine does not work, it is detected immediately. Which is what the link I tried to give you proves.

                But it is not visible in the horse feed.
                I feel sorry for you, mired in your own ignorance, and not wanting to fix it.
                Sorry.
              3. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 22 February 2021 22: 18
                -4
                Here's another link for you about how the vaccine "doesn't work." Your troll tactics and cheap demagoguery didn't work, merge completely - https://dw.com/ru/voz-odobrila-primenenie-vakciny-biontech-i-pfizer / a-56110993.
                Yes, I forgot to say, it was said at the very beginning that no vaccine can prevent the disease, but it greatly facilitates it prevents complications (and they die from them). Also, according to the latest research data, it was found that a vaccinated person in 90% of cases is not contagious even if he suffers a mild illness. But this applies specifically to Pfizer. About Sputnik in this regard is unknown. So do not try to look like a pouty turkey - it turns out funny :)))
              4. Dear sofa expert. 22 February 2021 23: 55
                +2
                Here's another link for you about how the vaccine "doesn't work"

                Your link is dated 01.01.2021
                Regular general introductory advertising article. Forecasts, slogans, assurances, promises ..
                That is, as we would like.

                And my link is dated 08.02.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX, and is already a statement of a specific, unpleasant, but objective fact.
                That is how it happened.

                You know, it seems to me there is no point in continuing this discussion with you.

                Let's finish where we started: I wish you to be vaccinated with this "miracle vaccine" and calm down.
  • Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 18 February 2021 23: 03
    -6
    And what percentage of your population has been vaccinated, can you find out? It turned out that there really is nothing to do, now other countries are begging to provide their capacities - well, like we will establish joint production. And what do you have there? And even those countries that seem to be going to buy from you still won't get together for some reason.
  • Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 17 February 2021 11: 39
    +9
    you can only look at your verbiage and simply idle chatter by shrugging your shoulders, why you, a failed country, can here debauch your cheeks
    if there is a dialogue between the countries of russia and the eu from the usa, and who are you, you and your opinion are not interested and do not ask, you climb to discuss topics that do not concern you, which have ruined and plundered the richest ussr and are now begging in the world but with persistence giving out on the right and to the left advice and opinions from the mouth of incomprehensible characters
    1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 17 February 2021 15: 18
      -10%
      You would have looked at your beggars, there will be much more of them. That is, on your Internet everyone is crying about "zeroing" and "pension reform" and swearing at EdRo. But then they briskly run to vote for the tsar and EdRo.
      1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
        Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 17 February 2021 15: 45
        +4
        again twenty-five, I tell him about it, he tells me about Thomas ...
        you don't have your own worries and problems, ours don't let you sleep?
        We have our own sons of bitches, you have your own, what kind of wormhole is all of you (Ukrainians) sharpening that you crawl so stubbornly towards us, to speak beautiful Russian
        however, at least through the door, you will climb through the window
        1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 17 February 2021 19: 30
          -9
          Why, someone needs to cool you off with enthusiasm, although in general it's useless of course. Until those same stones fall from the sky, you will scold Putin and his cooperative in the kitchens, and then vote for them together. And you better tell me why all your shows are crammed with topics about Ukraine? Well, that's it, we are starving and freezing , well, fake with us, forget about us. No, all paid propagandists do not shut their mouths, Ukraine does not give them rest. Especially your Shapiro (Soloviev) tries. And then he walks for "honestly earned" in his villa in Como, and as you were, you remain.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 19: 57
            +8
            All your verbal diarrhea negates one fact: people are fleeing from Ukraine to Russia, and not vice versa.
            According to the estimates of the Association of Millers of Ukraine in 2020. physically, 23 million people lived in Ukraine. In 1993. - 53 million
            1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 18 February 2021 19: 13
              -5
              Don't talk nonsense, it hurts. Look into any reference book, you will find out the real population of Ukraine today.
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 18 February 2021 19: 14
                +4
                Who believes your statistics, which do not exist. You are afraid to carry out the census which year
                1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 18 February 2021 22: 50
                  -5
                  There are independent calculations.
                  1. boriz Offline boriz
                    boriz (boriz) 18 February 2021 22: 55
                    +1
                    So I brought them. Independent calculations through the Ukrainian organization. Let me remind you once again: even the UN does such calculations. And for millers this is an urgent need: they need to plan a business. So they have more faith than Zelensky and the gang.
                    A couple of years ago I heard the figure of 25 million on the air of "Who to whom Rabinovich" from Rabinovich himself. And he, after all, was a deputy of the Rada.
                    So, it's pointless to argue.
                    1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 21 February 2021 19: 51
                      -5
                      Exactly. Rabinovich is in opposition and it is important for him to overtake him in order to come to power, but about the population, look at the WHO website, for example, and not at some calculations of millers.
  • shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 17 February 2021 12: 07
    +2
    Alexander! With another pleasure I read your next article, but this time I want to ask one question.
    Why are you so sure of the adequacy of Mr. Stoltenberg? No, he has not yet jumped out of the window shouting "Russians are coming!", Unfortunately, but talks about cooperation with Moscow - after many years of demonization of Russia - are really either a split personality or the last curtsy before a volley of cannons. And somehow I want to believe more that Stoltenberg has progressive schizophrenia and manic syndrome. Since, if this uncle is serious, then we are really approaching a situation where the collective West, under the leadership of an incomprehensible one, will immediately throw up its hands - we tried to reason with this Mordor, but it is useless, not even to rank them among humans, blacks, Chinese and dogs. We'll have to bomb and make a mournful face ...
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 13: 06
      +3
      Why are you so sure of the adequacy of Mr. Stoltenberg?

      Its adequacy is irrelevant. This is the clerk. He was given a text and told to voice it. He gets a very good salary for this.
      But when he retires, he will begin to issue sound judgments. And everyone will be surprised: "And where did you, donkey, think before?"
  • Volga073 Offline Volga073
    Volga073 (MIKLE) 17 February 2021 13: 00
    +2
    NATO must be destroyed
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 17 February 2021 13: 05
      +4
      Ukraine should be stalled before this

      define this ..nationality Galician corner within a couple of regions - and the rest - to the Poles, Hungarians and Russians
      The lion can be given to America, let them ruin it from the inside with their farm pranks, pots on their heads, a pigsty on the Capitol Hill and other entourage

      Give out a green card to all the dull Bandera. That would be great!
      1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 17 February 2021 15: 20
        -9
        Well, why, you can even dream if you yourself are prepared for the role of a wordless herd in the empire.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 17: 50
          +6
          ... if you yourself are prepared for the role of a wordless herd in the empire.

          Is it our "ampirator" that closes the channels in batches?
          What vaccine did you get?
          1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 17 February 2021 19: 36
            -7
            Look, ignoramus, the number of people in Kiev for a start, maybe then let's see which of us are seluk :))) And your opposition channels have been closed for a long time. They left "Dozhd", which is not included in the "federal" ones, left it as a showcase, and everything else for the glory of Putin.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 21: 41
              +5
              It follows from this that if 42 million people live in Ukraine, then in reality more than 3 million tons of flour are produced per year. If, according to statistics, 1,7 million tons are produced, then 23 million people live. If, according to analysts, about 32 million people live in Ukraine, then at least 2,3 million tons are needed for consumption and another 300 thousand for export. Those. official statistics are such that nothing can be trusted.

              https://www.apk-inform.com/ru/exclusive/topic/1505551
              Read, your people are writing. In terms of the production of flour and bread, even the UN monitors the population of countries that cannot be trusted.

              And Echo of Moscow? We have not closed a single channel at all.

              And for Sputnik, understanding people in Europe queue up.

              "Sputnik V is pleased to share one of two human adenoviral vectors with AstraZeneca to enhance the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine."

              https://inosmi.ru/science/20210217/249162381.html
              https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210217/249149782.html
              1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) 18 February 2021 19: 06
                -6
                What is the queue ?, Modet to compare the number of vaccinated by Pfizer and Sputnik? Here is Pfizer in fact a queue.
  • Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 February 2021 15: 53
    +2
    And, just people decided to provide work for the media and zombies.

    Say something, and let the experts work for a week - they discuss, write articles, and then everything will be forgotten ...
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 18 February 2021 10: 28
    +2
    The main thing for him is to ensure an increase in the tribute from the vassals in favor of the US military-industrial complex .... The greed have appeared, the Atlantic solidarity has been measured for the grandmother. How can you not scare such people ...