Launch of Nord Stream 2 will be a Pyrrhic victory for Russia


The unusually cold winter of 2020-2021 has sharply raised the prices for "blue fuel", which are breaking records in Europe and Asia. General Moroz helped Russia again, and Gazprom's profits began to grow. Moreover, the compromise between Europeans and Americans on Nord Stream 2 is becoming more and more realistic. Is it a victory, comrades? Alas, everything is much more complicated. For our country, this winter is at the same time good news, and not really. Let's figure it out.


So, the abnormal cold is now in all parts of the world. European gas storage facilities are already more than half empty. At the same time, Gazprom is in no hurry to increase its supplies, since the prices for its products are tied to oil quotations, which were low six months ago, and pumping additional volumes of over 40 billion cubic meters is paid to Ukraine at an increased tariff. At the same time, a real energy crisis occurred in Asia. At times, the temperature there dropped to minus 40 Celsius. In Japan, it is now on average 3 degrees below normal. For an island nation, where nearly a dozen nuclear reactors have been shut down after the Fukushima accident, this is almost a disaster. The result is logical: prices for "blue fuel" in the Asian market have set a record, in some places reaching $ 1000 per thousand cubic meters. There are no bad ones, and all the LNG producers sent their tankers there. At the same time, in Europe, due to abnormal frosts and heavy snowfalls, the generation of "green electricity" received from solar panels and wind turbines, which are corny frozen, has decreased.

It would seem that here it is, the moment of truth. It is time for the Old World to sign its impotence and inability to do without Russian gas and Nord Stream-2, in particular.

On the one hand, there is a great deal of truth in this. Indeed, the likelihood that the European Union will now firmly side with the problematic Russian-German project is growing. Because of the US sanctions, the gas pipeline lies dead weight at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, and Gazprom simply cannot complete, certify and put it into normal operation on its own in the face of systemic opposition. Europe needs diversified energy supplies, and the current situation has shown that LNG cannot be considered a panacea. The “invisible hand of the market” can redirect it to where the price is higher at any time. Taken together, this means that Brussels, Berlin and Washington can indeed come to some kind of compromise on Nord Stream 2, allowing it to be completed and launched at 50% capacity in accordance with the norms of the Third Energy Package.

On the other hand, for Russia this victory will be "Pyrrhic". The abnormally cold winter has once again convinced Europe that it is vitally important for it to force Gazprom to maintain Ukrainian transit. It's all about the unique underground gas storage facilities of Nezalezhnaya, the largest in the Old World. Their size is a guarantee that the EU will be able to obtain sufficient volumes of "blue fuel" at the highest peak consumption loads and use them to store gas purchased at a reduced price in the off-season. With this in mind, the second part of the compromise between the European Union and the United States may look like this: Nord Stream 2 is launched, giving the Europeans an additional route, but at the same time Gazprom is under the obligation to pump the same guaranteed 40 billion cubic meters of gas through the Ukrainian GTS in year.

Why can't this be called a victory for the Kremlin? Probably because the strategy of the state corporation was based on getting rid of Nezalezhnaya once and for all as an intermediary by building two bypass pipelines. All these grandiose plans now threaten to collapse. Then Gazprom will have to maintain Turkish Stream, the half-empty Nord Stream 2, and the Ukrainian GTS, where everything that will exceed 40 billion cubic meters per year will have to be paid at an increased tariff. Plus, there is no doubt that Kiev will include in the transit tariff the funds needed to repair and modernize its dilapidated gas pipeline. The Kremlin will definitely not be able to use bypass pipelines to put pressure on Kiev, since, according to the German newspaper WirtschaftsWoche, Berlin and Washington have thought out a mechanism for shutting down Nord Stream 2 in such a case.
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  1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
    Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 12: 18
    +9
    Again an analyst from Sergei Marzhetsky. Damantsev more zaboristy
    No one will feed the barn anymore. Author. Deal with it. The contract will end and the Ukrainian gas transportation system can be repaired - this is what is needed. This is reality, not miracle journalism. I am burned with your mriy about the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the closure of the SP-2. We need to make a selection of your cheers. Russia lost the Transcaucasia this is from the same opera shiza
    Disable yyy stream

    Do you know how much Europe has invested in this stream? Pro-American dogs who serve their interests in Europe are bleating about this (closing the stream) - well, and our miracle journalists, who don't care what to write their nonsense about. And those who invest in this project are talking about something else.

    The Kremlin will definitely not be able to use bypass gas pipelines to put pressure on Kiev, since, according to the German newspaper WirtschaftsWoche, Berlin and Washington have thought out a mechanism for shutting down Nord Stream 2 in such a case.

    and the swift shutdown mechanism has long been thought out and invented, so what, the author?)

    Here logic dictates its terms, not journalism, Sergei. No one will carry cash for GAZ by train, no one will turn off the swift. So it is with gabon - while there is an option they will use it. There will be no option - gabon will take the place on the map that it corresponds to.

    PS Let's argue with me for money that there will be a flow and that it will work the edge by next winter?) Or do you yourself do not believe in your analyst's miracle?) And you write articles purely for fun)
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 12: 33
      -11%
      No one will feed the barn anymore.

      You are right, Russia will have to "feed" at its own expense. It is strange that some of them have just begun to understand this ...
      1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
        Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 12: 36
        +7
        maybe Sergey writes articles especially for offended Banderas like Volodymyr / Vadim?
        They honor and be filled with mriy about the imminent victory over the Russian woman

        Yes, warrior of pillars?)

        PS Stolbov, whose Crimea?
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 12: 51
          -12%
          1) We've already won! And Russia is diligently paying Ukraine fines and compensation in addition to the $ 250 billion that Moscow has spit on it over the past 10 years.
          2) One must think that having exchanged Crimea for Ukraine, Russian citizens became happy, having received NATO on the border of five more Russian regions and additionally turning out their pockets by paying for this process?
          1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
            Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 12: 54
            +9
            Whose Crimea? I am not interested in your mattresses of the plaintive text, but I asked a specific question)

            I love to synchronize the Aryan characters with reality. So it's not just a question - it's a whole philosophy

            You answer that Crimea (Russian) - and immediately remember, as it were, your place, the place of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the place of your clown president in this world)

            Do you understand how I get rid of the miserable characters here?) Who, on their fist-keyboard war, are conquering Crimea and Donbass.

            Waffles, not men. Remember what men do when land is taken from their country - and delete your account already and go to the wine that does not exist

            Otherwise, you act like a typical Ukrainian - the farm was taken away from him - and he went to register in the ru segment (VKontakte, classmates, topkor, topvar) and began to write comments about injustice

            Defective products that pretend to be men on the internet
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 13: 03
              -10%
              Do you guess or tell me where your interests are located?
              Study the proposed article and do not be distracted by extraneous topics.
              1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 13: 03
                +9
                Oh, but what about the answer to the question about Crimea?

                How I despise men who are really not capable of anything - except for bleating on the Internet on forums with Muscovites

                Why aren't you at war?) Are you afraid? Do you know where the front is? Do you know where the border with Crimea is?)

                What kind of war is your ceiling - whine on the net) put minuses

                You are probably really from the Armed Forces - there are the same) warriors who are not capable of anything) This is the quality of your material from which you were blinded. Therefore, you and Crimea gave up without a fight)
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                2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 23 February 2021 18: 17
                  -2
                  How I despise men who are really not capable of anything - except for bleating on the Internet on forums with Muscovites

                  So you despise yourself? Sadly, see a psychologist. Although no, in your case it is better to see a psychiatrist.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 16 February 2021 12: 57
        +5
        You are right, Russia will have to "feed" at its own expense. It is strange that some of them have just begun to understand this ...

        Do you have something to feed?

        В top 10 importers of Russian agricultural products also includes Egypt, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Belarus, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan.

        https://www.agroinvestor.ru/analytics/news/34919-eksport-produktsii-apk-vyros-na-16/

        Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey were among the main buyers of Russian grain. Fat and oil products were exported mainly to India, China and Turkey, meat - to Vietnam, China and Ukraine.

        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4684217

        Okay, Russian buckwheat, so they rolled, "totem" fat mascalskoe ...
        Hello granary hi
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 21: 39
          -3
          The policy is old, tested even under the tsar-father: We will not finish eating, but we will take out!
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 16 February 2021 21: 59
            +1
            The policy is old, tested even under the tsar-father: We will not finish eating, but we will take out!

            Exactly yes and then you have to buy in Russia.
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 22: 15
              -7
              and then in Russia you have to buy

              You explain this to the citizens of Russia, who have already forgotten what real products are, (in particular, normal bakery products).
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 16 February 2021 23: 02
                +3
                You explain this to the citizens of Russia, who have already forgotten what real products are, (in particular, normal bakery products).

                Why explain that? Let them return to their homeland, feed them good bread, there is nothing to wander about in the Sumeria.
                1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                  Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 17 February 2021 10: 10
                  -2
                  feed with good bread

                  No really! Better you come to us...

                  Sent a link in PM.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 17 February 2021 15: 35
                    +2
                    No really! Better you come to us...
                    Sent a link in PM.

                    Thank you for the invitation, as far as I remember there are some restrictions on the entry of people of my gender and age. And extreme tourism does not appeal to me.
                    Maybe we have problems with the quality of bread, but I doubt very much that you have less of them.

                    https://ukraina.ru/news/20190220/1022747773.html
                    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 17 February 2021 18: 40
                      -2
                      Maybe we have problems with the quality of bread, but I doubt very much that you have less of them.

                      Not surprised. The people are the same and the problems are identical.
    2. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 12: 34
      +4
      author, it would be better if you worked on the construction of SP2 and did not spam the Internet with analytics)
      funny you zradnik)

      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 February 2021 14: 02
        -7
        First, don't poke me. We didn't drink at brotherhood. And we definitely won't drink.
        Secondly, about arguing with you: you are no one for me, and I can’t call you so that I’ll be hammered with you for money.
        Time will tell about who is right. You're new here. For you, I will say that many people like you here said a year ago that Gazprom would not sign a transit agreement. I wrote what would happen, and even indicated a period of 5 years and specific figures for pumping volumes. And that's how it turned out. Here is the link https://topcor.ru/12306-5-let-i-40-mlrd-kubometrov-v-god-dlja-ukrainy-o-chem-molchat-putin-i-gazprom.html Check by dates.
        I think with an extremely high degree of probability it will be again the same as I said. If everything goes exactly like this or so, I will gladly poke you into these boorish comments, unless the moderators have banned you for inadequacy, of course.
        Third, and last, do not like it, do not read it. You to Rogers, Ishchenko and other respected analysts. They will not cheat.
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 14: 20
          +5
          First of all, don't poke me

          laughing
          Secondly, about arguing with you: you are no one for me, and I can’t call you so that I’ll be hammered with you for money.

          You're new here.

          - new you will be in the army when you go.
          laughing

          You to Rogers, Ishchenko and other respected analysts. They won't cheat.

          Your reading is suitable only for a closet, a little more interesting than the composition of the freshener. Rogers is certainly a pro - he likes to spread the numbers - you are not given)

          you have water) in the style:

          Today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not at all the confused guys they were in 2014. The Ukrainian army has increased its strength, increased the level of training and organization, and received new types of weapons.

          By the way, you never answered in that topic about the number, how you increased the level of organization and what weapons and in what quantity?

          Rogers doesn't allow himself to write such water. This is the difference between your articles. You have more emotions, more water - no specifics)

          When the journalists of your flight write about the army, it almost always looks funny.

          The consumers of your articles are analogs of Stolbov. They also ask for supplements.

          So it would be better if you wrote on the topic of animal husbandry or copied some recipes for making pies into your articles

          Although you are a journalist, what to take from you) But it seems to me on the VO and the topkore it is necessary to check the journalists for the presence of a military card - so that you do not fit into the framework)
        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 23 February 2021 18: 19
          -1
          Third, and last, do not like it, do not read it. You to Rogers, Ishchenko and other respected analysts. They will not cheat.

          To Necropny him with Kharaluzhny laughing
    3. Alexey Sergeev Offline Alexey Sergeev
      Alexey Sergeev (Alexey Sergeev) 19 February 2021 08: 52
      0
      and the swift shutdown mechanism has long been thought out

      It could be even worse.
      In case of revocation of SSL protocols from sites, the entire runet or part of it may stand up.
      There has already been a precedent with the site of the Public Chamber.
      The keys to the Internet are from its creators.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 16 February 2021 12: 45
    -2
    All bullshit. Gazprom got into a mess with contracts out of greed, now it pays Ukraine and Europe through the courts. And it will pay.

    Because "The buyer is always right," and Europe will certainly want to have a fallback pumping option. Antimonopoly, price cuts, and more.
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 12: 53
      +3
      now pays for courts in Ukraine and Europe. And it will pay.

      Europe will buy 190 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia anyway. Well, from the profit, Russia will pay 1%, okay.

      and Europe will probably want to have a backup option for pumping

      it has different options, oh.
      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 13: 05
        -6
        Europe will buy 190 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia anyway.

        The market is always dictated by the buyer, not the seller. Russia has no prospects here.
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 13: 06
          +7
          Do you often dictate prices on the market?) Ukrainians in my head are such a shiz and a lack of logic
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 13: 12
            -7
            When I buy - always.
            1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
              Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 13: 16
              +6
              And what was the last price you dictated to the seller?)
              funny Ukrainian)
              1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 13: 31
                -6
                The seller either agrees or gives way to a more accommodating seller.
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                  1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 16 February 2021 13: 52
                    +5
                    Ukrainians, they dictated the price for gas, back in 08.
                    From 50 bucks to 180!
                    So here # is not so simple.
                    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                      Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 13: 53
                      +5
                      Lyulya put the question bluntly, so to speak wassat
                      And the pillars were glad.

                      Ukraine is a country of opportunities

                    2. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 21: 33
                      -3
                      Gas prices depend on many factors, incl. and from the season. But the general trend is market oversaturation and the inevitable fall in prices.
  3. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 16 February 2021 13: 05
    +2
    It's strange. Probably I was deceived. There was a rumor that the Chinese were interested in Ukraine for a reason: their goal was underground storage facilities, into which they wanted to secretly pump all the water from Lake Baikal.
  4. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 16 February 2021 13: 08
    +7
    Launch of Nord Stream 2 will be a Pyrrhic victory for Russia

    What kind of victory will it be for the United States and Ukraine? Did they achieve this?
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 13: 09
      +6
      Do not push the logic of these characters. At the censor, such material is met with a bang - this is the main thing)
    2. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 13: 37
      -10%
      What kind of victory will it be for the United States and Ukraine? Did they achieve this?

      In the United States, it is customary to establish a "corridor" for such objects of policy as the current RF, within which they can act as they please. Attempts to go beyond the "corridor" are resolutely suppressed. Anything inside the corridor is a priori acceptable for the United States.
      In this case, the "corridor" is the unconditional preservation of Ukrainian transit. This also coincides with Ukrainian interests.
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      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 16 February 2021 13: 59
        +7
        In the United States, it is customary to establish a "corridor" for such objects of policy as the current RF, within which they can act as they please. Attempts to go beyond the "corridor" are resolutely suppressed. Anything inside the corridor is a priori acceptable for the United States.

        And when nothing works, they announce a new corridor and say that they didn't really want to. winked
        Here recently one such corridor with shale oil and LNG was moved for Europe. Such a crash stood laughing

        In this case, the "corridor" is the unconditional preservation of Ukrainian transit. This also coincides with Ukrainian interests.

        Has the American gentleman already established interests for the Ukrainian "subject" of politics? How do you not formulate them? smile
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 14: 32
          +5
          How do you not formulate them? smile

          give a beat to Muscovites at least on the Internet.
        2. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 21: 13
          -2
          1)
          Here recently one such corridor with shale oil and LNG was moved for Europe. Such a crash stood

          It is difficult for me to comment on such vague formulations. What is it about?

          2)
          Has the American gentleman already established interests for the Ukrainian "subject" of politics? How do you not formulate them?

          Does the United States have any fundamental differences with Ukraine? What is it about?
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 16 February 2021 21: 58
            +3
            It is difficult for me to comment on such vague formulations. What is it about?

            About the great shale revolution and supplying Europe with American LNG.

            Does the United States have any fundamental differences with Ukraine? What is it about?

            What do you mean, what disagreements can there be between a slave and a master request Probably you shouldn't ask you about the national interests of Ukraine, because there are American ones. About that and speech.
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 22: 19
              -4
              1)
              About the great shale revolution and supplying Europe with American LNG

              Do you have any clues about the numbers of LNG deliveries from the USA (and other countries) to Europe over the years or find it yourself?

              2)
              Probably you shouldn't ask you about the national interests of Ukraine, because there are American ones.

              Practice has shown that Ukraine has more common interests with the United States than with Russia.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 16 February 2021 23: 06
                0
                Do you have any clues about the numbers of LNG deliveries from the USA (and other countries) to Europe over the years or find it yourself?

                Prompt yes winked

                Practice has shown that Ukraine has more common interests with the United States than with Russia.

                Naturally yes It can not be in any other way. Russia is a competitor and adversary for the United States, Ukraine is the US slaves.
                You didn't formulate your interests request Say "more common interests" does not mean all the same? And what are the differences?
                1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                  Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 17 February 2021 09: 53
                  -1
                  1)
                  Prompt

                  The link was sent in a personal. Everything is chewed in sufficient detail there.

                  2)
                  You didn’t formulate your interests like that. Say "there are more common interests" doesn’t all mean the same? And what are the differences

                  Currently, I am not aware of the fundamental differences in the interests of the United States and Ukraine.
                  Most likely they are possible in the area of ​​prices for certain trade transactions.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 17 February 2021 15: 23
                    +2
                    The link was sent in a personal. Everything is chewed in sufficient detail there.

                    In my opinion, you not only chewed, but you also vomited (s). sad
                    "Valuable" opinion of the Lenta, in January 2020 telling how the United States and Australia are forcing Gazprom and Novatek to compete in Europe and therefore Russia is forced to send more gas and receive less money for it, this is not quite data on the volume of LNG supplies by years. Firstly, if you haven't noticed, it's 20201. Secondly, Russia squeezed out a competitor (the United States) from the European market and the gas price is tied to the oil price with a time lag. And they grow. In general, once again I ask you to save me from this kind of "analytics", in my opinion I already wrote where you can go with her .. Once again, prompt or find the way yourself?

                    Currently, I am not aware of the fundamental differences in the interests of the United States and Ukraine.

                    Naturally, the slave will be ordered ... what disagreements are there ...

                    Most likely they are possible in the area of ​​prices for certain trade transactions.

                    Are you talking about national interests? Quite indicative.
                    Will they muster the impudence and demand at least a little money for the sale of their homeland?
                    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 17 February 2021 18: 48
                      -2
                      this is not quite data on the volume of LNG supplies by years

                      I wanted to make you happy - to chew a little more, since it is already clear that the topic of LNG is fresh and promising. But if you really doubt it, a little more on the topic in your personal ...
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 17 February 2021 19: 17
                        +2
                        I wanted to make you happy - to chew a little more, since it is already clear that the topic of LNG is fresh and promising. But if you really doubt it, a little more on the topic in your personal ...

                        March 2019 .. Aren't you tired of chewing on rotten stuff? sad I admire the optimism of the Germans about the development of the LNG market, but this does not confirm your version in any way. Did you watch it yourself? So there is a diagram ... The US LNG production capacity is 19,5 million tons, which is less than that of Nigeria and Algeria. The United States does not have gas, the capacity to produce it, the fleet for transportation, and they are not able to build it.
                        Deliver me of your chewed slop. Goodbye hi
                      2. Uneven Offline Uneven
                        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 17 February 2021 19: 49
                        -4
                        1)
                        The United States does not have gas, the capacity to produce it, the fleet for transportation, and they do not have the ability to build it

                        I understood your settings. But their quality is absolutely not satisfactory, since it does not intersect with the real state of affairs.

                        2) Do not waste your time and nerves (they are clearly not made of iron) on typing all sorts of epithets.
                        Perhaps they impress someone, but I am not one of them.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 16 February 2021 15: 18
    +3
    Nord Stream, like all the others, was initially commercial in nature - the non-farm needs gas, and the Russian Federation has an abundance of it even without taking into account new discovered fields.
    After the coup in Ukraine, the political moment of the numerical majority of the EU and the US began to prevail over the economic ones. The third energy package, a cross-border tax, pressure from the United States and European EU members forced the non-farm to obey - the introduction of the northern stream, provided that transit through Ukraine was preserved and its budget was replenished at the expense of the Russian Federation, the right of the non-farm to stop pumping along the northern stream.
    The conditions for the Russian Federation are not only politically and economically unfavorable, but they put the Russian Federation in colonial dependence on the mother country, which the US and the EU will not try to take advantage of - the goat understands.
    It seems that the contract should be terminated, the construction should be stopped, the costs incurred should be written off, the laid pipes should be disassembled and used for gasification of the regions of the Russian Federation, the reduction of domestic fuel prices, and henceforth not to step on the same rake in relations with the EU.
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 15: 41
      +6
      It seems that the contract should be terminated, the construction should be stopped, the costs incurred should be written off

      but you can finish building SP2 and make money on the Europeans. Same as with SP1, and before that with a pipe through the ruin

      And the sanctions for pipes are far from a novelty) And the parsley on the hand of transnationals has already changed so many times, and the pipes have already brought so much profit for the budget - so the pipes are su-57 and Avangard - including

      Europe pays. Why chop bitches?)


    2. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 21: 20
      -5
      1)
      The conditions for the Russian Federation are not only politically and economically unfavorable, but place the Russian Federation in colonial dependence on the mother country.

      This is already a passed stage - this kind of relationship is not one year old.

      2)
      Nord Stream, like all others, was originally commercial in nature

      This is not true. The Russian leadership had illusions to use gas supplies for purely political purposes.

      3)
      it would be necessary to terminate the contract, stop construction, write off the costs incurred ...

      ... and to remove the profiled funds (as usual) from the population of Russia.
      For example, raise the retirement age by another 7 years.
  • nikolai.shupenin 16 February 2021 16: 27
    +1
    everything will be wrong, Marzhetsky dreamed
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 February 2021 13: 00
      0
      Quote: nikolai.shupenin
      everything will be wrong, Marzhetsky dreamed

      Firstly, I am not dreaming about it, but stating it. Secondly, if there is, then what? Eat your mouse?
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 16 February 2021 17: 09
    +1
    Quote: Uneven
    1) We've already won! And Russia is diligently paying Ukraine fines and compensation in addition to the $ 250 billion that Moscow has spit on it over the past 10 years.
    2) One must think that having exchanged Crimea for Ukraine, Russian citizens became happy, having received NATO on the border of five more Russian regions and additionally turning out their pockets by paying for this process?

    1) pants full of joy, having received money from Russia and shit it, well, what can you say, unless - the mentality, you don't drink it up.
    2) NATO became at the borders, with the inclusion of the Tribals, and that was long before 2014. True, Turkey has been a member of NATO for a long time, one must remember that. And NATO continues to move towards our borders to this day. Ukraine has not changed anything in the trend, except that it itself went over to the side of NATO. But there is no NATO in Crimea, it's just a fact.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 21: 25
      -3
      1)
      Putin fell for the Crimean spoon and lost Ukraine as a result.

      Who is to blame?

      2)
      The significance and assets of Crimea for Russia are not comparable to Ukraine.

      Both economically and politically, the loss of Ukraine for Russia is the biggest catastrophe since the collapse of the USSR.
      1. sd000016 Offline sd000016
        sd000016 (Alexander) 19 February 2021 05: 16
        0
        It was Ukraine that lost Russia, which it can no longer blackmail with the Sevastopol base, and the possibilities of blackmail by gas transit have significantly diminished and will soon be reduced to zero. With the loss of Russia, Ukraine also lost its space, aviation, nuclear engineering and other industries. Now the sale of land is on the agenda.
        However, due to the rapid weakening of the US role in the world and, in accordance with this, the military capabilities of the West as a whole, Russia will return to the sphere of its natural interests, which also belongs to Ukraine, and then the industrial potential of Ukraine will be restored again. After all, it is possible to hold a referendum similar to the Crimean one in other Ukrainian territories and even throughout Ukraine. As for the obligations to pump a certain volume of gas, contracts are not eternal, unlike interests, and simply reflect the current balance of power and capabilities. If you think that over time changes are taking place in the direction of increasing Ukraine's ability to oppose Russia, then the flag is in your hands. However, it seems that the mentality that you are demonstrating represents the greatest danger for Ukraine itself.
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 19 February 2021 08: 57
          -3
          Russia will ...

          I prefer to discuss the realities that ...

          ... reflect the current balance of power and capabilities

          Discussion of various kinds of "prophecies" is not interesting to me.
          Any forecast without justification is just empty manilovism.
  • Dmitry Malikov Offline Dmitry Malikov
    Dmitry Malikov (Dmitry Malikov) 16 February 2021 17: 19
    +2
    Quote: Uneven
    In this case, the "corridor" is the unconditional preservation of Ukrainian transit. This also coincides with Ukrainian interests.

    So this coincides with Russian interests. Nord Stream is being created only to avoid absurd price blackmail from Ukraine and American control over the valve in the hands of their puppet government. The South Stream, however, is in the hands of Turkey, which, albeit also with extra money, is at least independent.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 February 2021 21: 31
      -5
      So this coincides with Russian interests.

      Initial plans of Gazprom to replace Ukrainian transit with SP-2 and TP have collapsed. The interests of the ruling organized criminal group in the Russian Federation are far from the interests of Russia. Ukrainian transit, under normal relations with Ukraine, would be beneficial to both countries.
      1. Dmitry Malikov Offline Dmitry Malikov
        Dmitry Malikov (Dmitry Malikov) 17 February 2021 08: 22
        +2
        The ruling US organized criminal group, in principle, does not allow the puppet organized criminal group of Ukraine to have normal relations with Russia. The interests of Ukraine itself and its population do not interest them at all. In such conditions, transit through Ukraine, in principle, cannot be profitable and even more so safe. But the plans for the SP-2 were defeated exclusively in the fevered brains of their propagandists. Only the absolute can think that a lot of money on the SP-2 began to be spent solely out of the desire to "screw up" Ukraine and not only Russian but also European companies. It turns out that in your opinion Germany wants to harm Ukraine? It's just that absolutely no one wants to deal with an inadequate Ukraine. With such power, it is now only possible to rob it, but not invest in any way.
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 17 February 2021 09: 08
          -6
          1)
          Ruling organized criminal group of the USA

          a) The United States has a separation of powers, an electoral institution and an opposition.
          All this is missing in today's Russia.

          b) In the USA, there is no presidential autocracy enshrined in the constitution. In the United States, presidents do not come to power on which there are open criminal cases on serious economic crimes. In the United States, Senate membership is closed to criminals. In the United States, there are no criminals in power who are convicted of corruption.
          But all this is in today's Russia.
          Conclusion: organized crime groups at the helm of the state in Russia is an absolute fact.
          In the US, there are no organized criminal groups in power.

          2)
          The ruling US organized criminal group, in principle, does not allow the puppet organized criminal group of Ukraine to have normal relations with Russia.

          What "normal relations" can Ukraine have with the aggressor country - Russia, which, moreover, itself has undertaken to defend against aggression?

          3)
          Only the absolute can think that a lot of money on the SP-2 began to be spent solely out of the desire to "screw up" Ukraine and not only Russian but also European companies

          Those European companies that invested in SP-2 took the risk of getting involved with the toxic Russian regime in order to make money. Presumably they were aware of all the attendant risks, but the greed for profit won.
          Gazprom's motives are almost the same:
          a) Putin's friends (accomplices) to break the jackpot on the construction of SP-2.
          b) To annoy Ukraine for going to the West
          c) Increase Europe's dependence on Russian gas supplies.
          Of course, only problem "a" was solved.
          1. Dmitry Malikov Offline Dmitry Malikov
            Dmitry Malikov (Dmitry Malikov) 17 February 2021 15: 55
            +2
            1)
            a) The separation of powers is not at all unambiguously good. We recently observed their institution of elections, in comparison with ours it is a purely clown archaic profanation. And the opposition we have in bulk, unlike the United States, where there are only two real parties.
            b) I find it difficult to comment on your nonsense.
            2) After the seizure of power in Ukraine by criminals, degenerates, fascists, Russophobes and oligarchs who destroyed the last hints of democracy and the rule of law in the country, used terror and repression against their own population and opposition, carrying out a monstrous plunder of the country, destruction of the economy and population. It even looks strange that Russia, to the last, tried to appeal to reason and observance of the laws, and did not defend its investments and did not demolish this illegal gang by military means, until the last moment trying to establish at least some kind of dialogue with these inadequate people.
            3) Look less propagandists of such a low level. You should be alarmed by their mental disability and low rating of info-dumpsters that broadcast such nonsense.
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 17 February 2021 18: 36
              -3
              1) a)
              Separation of powers is not necessarily good at all

              Are you a supporter of autocracy?

              b)
              I find it difficult to comment on your nonsense

              And I do not insist! You obviously can't handle it. Better once again imbued with "analytics" from the all-Russian channels ...

              2)
              Look less propagandists of such a low level. You should be alarmed by their mental disability and the low rating of info-dumpsters that broadcast such nonsense

              You are straight off the tongue! ( See above )
            2. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 23 February 2021 18: 29
              -1
              Separation of powers is not necessarily good at all.

              The separation of powers has historically proven to be more effective than various forms of autocracy and totalitarianism.

              We recently observed their institution of elections, in comparison with ours it is a purely clown archaic profanation.

              We have no institution of elections at all.

              And we have oppositions in bulk

              This is the Communist Party, A Just Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party, the "opposition"?
  • cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 16 February 2021 17: 55
    +1
    ... Berlin and Washington in such a case have thought out a mechanism for shutting down Nord Stream 2

    Berlin offered Washington to invest 1 billion euros in the construction of 2 LNG terminals on its territory and "... the ability to automatically turn off the gas supply via Nord Stream 2, if Russia is caught in violation of human rights or international law." (Lenta.RU)
    That's what an interesting point! Who will incriminate Russia - all of Europe? or the USA? Or Germany? And turn it off immediately or after 1/2 year?
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 16 February 2021 18: 01
      +4
      I heard how the Baltic tigers built terminals on credit in order to stop the threat of energy pressure (blackmail) from Russia, are they now buying Russian LNG at these terminals, in addition to our pipe? So this year they bought part of the LNG (in Russia, because it is cheaper) - but because of Asia and their prices - they had to go back to the pipe of the damned Russians again, because all the LNG sailed to Asia and prices were on the verge of a foul

      Tse Zrada

      And turn it off immediately or after 1/2 year?

      wassat so it will be necessary - we will also carry LNG to Germany. One hell - it will be cheaper than in the states) Checked in the Baltic states
      1. cmonman Offline cmonman
        cmonman (Garik Mokin) 16 February 2021 18: 46
        0
        ... One heck - will be cheaper than in the states

        I totally agree with you! But unlike Russians, Americans do not bother with the price of gas / LNG / oil - this is only 6% -8% of GDP, and moreover, there is nothing state-owned in this business, everything is private. So if a business has a problem, it's a headache.
        We, residents, have contracts for 3-5 years for gas / electricity at the same price for the duration of the contract and the fall / rise in prices does not concern us.
        Oil is getting more expensive, and with it the price of gasoline - 87 costs $ 2.30 for 4 liters, 93 - $ 2.80 for 4 liters.
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 17 February 2021 00: 28
    +3
    Bayeden deflates. The US strength is not the same.
    https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210216/249154182.html
  • Serval Offline Serval
    Serval 17 February 2021 05: 58
    +2
    The launch of Nord Stream 2 will be

    The rest can not be read. smile
  • Dmitry Malikov Offline Dmitry Malikov
    Dmitry Malikov (Dmitry Malikov) 17 February 2021 08: 27
    +1
    Quote: cmonman
    So if a business has a problem, it's a headache.

    That is, the problems of business in the country are not the problems of the government or its citizens? Tell that to homeless Americans, their state budgets, and the rabid Fed printing press.
  • colyanpirogov Offline colyanpirogov
    colyanpirogov (Nikolai Pirogov) 17 February 2021 08: 44
    +4
    Well, Alexander P wrote correctly! What are you arguing about ...!? While it is profitable, some part of the gas will be driven through Ukraine. It will not be profitable - they will not drive. And no one will turn off anything, because not profitable ourselves! And the fact that Seryozha Marzhetsky is again froze over about SP-2 is a fact! Probably already tired of "pouring from empty to empty" ... then the Americans will take away the SP-2 from him, then Ukraine, then they will not finish building at all ... and does not know what to invent. But then you have to earn money - so he writes! And we read ... belay
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 February 2021 12: 59
      0
      Quote: colyanpirogov
      And the fact that Seryozha Marzhetsky is again froze over about SP-2 is a fact! Probably already tired of "pouring from empty to empty" ...

      Oh well...)))
  • Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
    Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 18 February 2021 13: 19
    -1
    Again a hassle for a pro-Ukrainian author) Well, what are you going to do) How easy it is to defeat Russia by virtual reality.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 February 2021 12: 58
      0
      Where exactly am I a pro-Ukrainian author? I'm just adequate, unlike many commentators.
      1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
        Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 20 February 2021 10: 59
        0
        I noticed for a long time that your forecasts are similar to Ukrainian ones and do not come true.
  • Vanya Cherny Offline Vanya Cherny
    Vanya Cherny (Ivan Timokhin) 20 February 2021 10: 07
    -1
    General Frost will only help not Russia, but Gazprom, but then suffer and pay for everything, including fines, RUSSIA does not need to feel great joy in launching SP2