The essence of large-scale problems with F-35 engines is revealed


Serious engine problems with the fifth-generation F-35 stealth fighter continue to undermine the operational readiness of the entire US air fleet, Military Watch writes from the United States.


In 2021, these single-engine aircraft will take to the skies significantly fewer times than previously planned. This is due to the incessant difficulties with the F135 - the most powerful power unit ever installed on an aircraft of this type in the world. The Pentagon considers this a key issue. It is she who does not allow to achieve the combat capability of the F-35.

The engine is manufactured by Pratt & Whitney (owned by Raytheon Technologies Corp.), which, in addition to the above, also faced performance issues due to the large number of F-35s currently being produced. Many fighters are now being produced, but their performance characteristics are already receiving sharp criticism from officials, including several heads of the Pentagon.

One of the unsolved problems with the F135 is overheating of the surface coating on its turbine blades, which leads to their cracking. This leads to the fact that expensive power units serve less, i.e. they need to be taken out of service earlier. In addition, maintenance needs to be carried out more often, and this is all enormous costs.

The F-35s were supposed to replace the F-16s and not be much more expensive to maintain. As a result, it turned out that the operating costs of the problem aircraft are $ 31 thousand per hour, compared to $ 7,7 thousand per hour for a fully operational F-16.

At the same time, it is generally unknown whether large-scale problems with the combat readiness of the F-35 will ever be resolved. The US Air Force has already planned to reduce their purchases by more than 1/3 of the planned amount, having decided to purchase the time-tested F-16s, which have been in operation for more than 45 years, the American media summed up.
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  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 14 February 2021 17: 39
    +11
    they probably have "specialists" with motor-sich engines laughing
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 14 February 2021 18: 20
    +9
    We are waiting for comments from the happy owners of this miracle from the Middle East and local admirers of overseas super-duper technology.
    After all, there are continuous problems in Russia and they cannot build anything and they plunder everything, including secret equipment from aircraft. And "there" neither, this cannot be, and from Monday afternoon, as the mass production of 100500 pieces per day will begin fellow
  3. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 14 February 2021 19: 04
    +8
    These are all little things, but how many of them they managed to spank, 615 pieces. A whole armada. Scrap metal.
  4. Oleg Ermakov Offline Oleg Ermakov
    Oleg Ermakov (Oleg Ermakov) 14 February 2021 19: 05
    +3
    I'm not worried about the United States. I personally know about their planes for a long time that they are problematic. And even the 5th generation is in fact money laundering, the Pentagon itself said that the operation of the 22nd is considered ineffective, and at the price of their maintenance, it is better that they do not fly at all, one flight and after service is like 10 su 35, despite the fact that 35 has a number of advantages in aerobatics, and if we add 5th generation avionics, then 22 is the end, although they are already the end. Yes, in the Pentagon, our dryers and moments are called flying hammers, so reliable and not whimsical
  5. THRONE Offline THRONE
    THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 14 February 2021 19: 29
    -5
    Military Watch is a personal blog-website of one person, a Briton Abraham Ait, created only 4 years ago, in Russia this site is passed off as the opinion of some authoritative American publication ...
    1. General Black Online General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 14 February 2021 19: 50
      +9
      The fact that this is the site of one person, the planes did not get better.
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 14 February 2021 21: 22
      +4
      in Russia, this site is passed off as the opinion of some authoritative American publication ...

      Is the actual data voiced correct? Then, by and large, what's the difference?
      "Authoritative American publications" are voicing the "party line".
  6. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 14 February 2021 20: 21
    -8
    Laughter and more! In Russia today there are only ONE serial Su-57, there is no engine for it, so this fighter, as it were, of the fifth generation, flies on the AL-41F1 engine, and when the second stage engine is ready, God alone knows. However, gentlemen, the Russians are enthusiastically trying to spoil the F-35, which successfully performs combat missions and is in service not only with the United States, but also with other, far from the last states. What is more in the negative statements of these critics - envy or fear, I find it difficult to define ...
    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 14 February 2021 21: 18
      +6
      Pace carrier, Iranian rackets wanted to spit on your fu-35 and iron bullshit.)
      And ours, even more so.

      Golan, tse Syria!
      Israel, tse occupier!))
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 15 February 2021 01: 15
        -4
        Even the last bolt in the Iranian rack is aware that there is nothing to catch the Persians against the Israelis. lol
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 14 February 2021 21: 32
      +4
      However, gentlemen, the Russians are enthusiastically trying to spoil the F-35, which successfully performs combat missions and is in service not only with the United States, but also with other, far from the last states.

      Nobody can shit more than he shits on himself. My condolences to the military experts of "far from the last states" smile

      What is more in the negative statements of these critics - envy or fear, I find it difficult to define ...

      Common sense and healthy irony prevail laughing

      You take care of the "sweetheart" there not even an hour will damage. When anyone walks around the base where the "best in the world" aircraft are based, you involuntarily ask yourself a question, is the state definitely not one of the last?
      What do you have there to steal secret equipment and ammunition? Found or all in a creative search?
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 15 February 2021 01: 05
        -5
        Quote: 123
        My condolences to the military experts of "far from the last states"

        Condole with your Air Force.

        Quote: 123
        Common sense and healthy irony prevail

        These feelings would be appropriate if the Russians were confidently ahead of the Americans in this matter, and not vice versa.

        Quote: 123
        What do you have there to steal secret equipment and ammunition?

        That's who would be talking about the theft of military property, but not you. lol
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 15 February 2021 01: 45
          +4
          These feelings would be appropriate if the Russians were confidently ahead of the Americans in this matter, and not vice versa.

          I'm afraid it will be difficult. Ditch every 2 planes out of XNUMX. Russian technology is too reliable for this. No.

          That's who would be talking about the theft of military property, but not you.

          Why not us? As an airplane was robbed at a repair plant, every beaver was drying his teeth with joy, but how do your exercises fail because some guy took the kosher "enigma" straight from the base, opened the sealed containers and grabbed 90 thousand cartridges, should we declare mourning? crying
          On the eve of the Defender of the Fatherland Day, let me express our immeasurable admiration and convey fiery revolutionary greetings to the valiant servicemen of the Celim base. soldier drinks
          In principle, everything is fine, communication is not fashionable in our time, and cartridges can be sold to barmaley good
          Pleased with the eloquence and brevity of the press smile

          Military equipment was stolen from an IDF base in southern Israel on Monday morning, N12 reported on Tuesday evening.
          According to the report, the Israel Defense Forces have launched an investigation into the stolen equipment.
          The report does not indicate what equipment was stolen.

          https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/military-equipment-stolen-from-idf-base-in-southern-israel-report-658415

          Why so modestly and without details? winked
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 12: 52
            -4
            I'm afraid it will be difficult. Ditch every 2 planes out of XNUMX. Russian technology is too reliable for this.

            Well, yes ... Russian technology equipment is so reliable that the very first serial Su-57 fell, not having time to enter the troops :)
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 15 February 2021 16: 01
              +2
              It is better to identify and eliminate all the shortcomings at the initial stage than 400 fighters will simply roll on the ground without the opportunity to rise into the sky.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 17: 31
                -3
                It is better to identify and eliminate all deficiencies at the initial stage,

                Why were they not identified, since the first serial fell (on which, in theory, there should be no shortcomings)?

                than 400 fighters will simply lie on the ground without the opportunity to rise into the sky.

                Who told you that they don't go up in the air? The status of "not reaching full combat readiness" does not mean this at all. This status reflects the restrictions with which the aircraft is operated and what tasks it can currently perform.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 15 February 2021 18: 04
                  +4
                  Why were they not identified, since the first serial fell (on which, in theory, there should be no shortcomings)?

                  Did I say that? belay Don't mislead. I’m just saying that at first they eliminate childhood illnesses, reveal mistakes. You think that it is necessary to immediately rivet in hundreds and put them in a "stall". And there at least the grass does not grow.
                  We need to ask the plant. The VKS did not receive the plane. We can talk about a production defect and not the supply of unreliable equipment to the troops.

                  Who told you that they don't go up in the air?

                  Some of them, anyway. Without an engine, flying is not comfortable.

                  The status of "not reaching full combat readiness" does not mean this at all. This status reflects the restrictions with which the aircraft is operated and what tasks it can currently perform.

                  ABOUT!!! So they can just fly them over the airfield? This fundamentally changes the matter laughing Is this their task? For this purpose were created?
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 18: 15
                    -3
                    Did I say that? belay Don't misinterpret.

                    Quote:

                    Better to identify and eliminate all initial disadvantages

                    The VKS did not receive the plane.

                    Naturally He crashed.

                    We can talk about a production defect and not the supply of unreliable equipment to the troops.

                    The reasons for the disaster were not published in the press. So it is not clear whether this is a manufacturing defect or a consequence of design flaws.

                    Some of them, anyway. Without an engine, flying is not comfortable.

                    Pf, so it is in any fleet of the world some of the cars "stand on the ground" due to repair or refurbishment. Therefore, a lot of them are produced so that, taking into account this fact, a sufficient number of combat vehicles are in operation.

                    ABOUT!!! So they can just fly them over the airfield? This is fundamentally changing business laughing Is this their job? For this purpose were created?

                    Who said "just fly over the airfield"? The F-35 is a fighter aircraft capable of performing a wide range of missions in a variety of conditions. "Unfinished" machines simply have limitations on some of these tasks.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 15 February 2021 18: 27
                      +3
                      Quote:
                      It is better to identify and eliminate all deficiencies at the initial stage

                      And what's wrong? the first plane is not the initial stage?

                      The reasons for the disaster were not published in the press. So it is not clear whether this is a manufacturing defect or a consequence of design flaws.

                      Does this change the case?

                      Pf, so it is in any fleet of the world some of the cars "stand on the ground" due to repair or refurbishment. Therefore, a lot of them are produced so that, taking into account this fact, a sufficient number of combat vehicles are in operation.

                      Only not all of them have 2/3 "on the ground."

                      Who said "just fly over the airfield"? The F-35 is a fighter aircraft capable of performing a wide range of missions in a variety of conditions. "Unfinished" machines simply have limitations on some of these tasks.

                      Restrictions on some tasks? Dozens of them? Hundreds? The plane has not many tasks. Fly to the desired place, scout something, "bomb" or shoot down someone (other variations). Well, it is also desirable to return to the airfield. And so to which ones they can't perform? Have you read the article inattentively?

                      The US Air Force has already planned to reduce their purchases by more than 1/3 of the planned amount, having decided to purchase the time-tested F-16s, which have been in operation for more than 45 years, the American media concluded.
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 18: 46
                        -3
                        And what's wrong? the first plane is not the initial stage?

                        The first production aircraft - no, this is no longer the initial one.

                        Does this change the case?

                        Of course. A factory defect will only require improved control over the production of subsequent copies, and a constructive flaw will require revision.

                        Only not all of them have 2/3 "on the ground."

                        Likewise, the Americans do not stand on the ground.

                        Restrictions on some tasks? Dozens of them? Hundreds? The aircraft does not have many tasks. Fly to the desired place, scout something, "bomb" or knock down someone (other variations). Well, it is also desirable to return to the airfield. And so to which ones they can't perform?

                        It is precisely in these "variations" that the problem lies. For example, there may be restrictions on the conduct of hostilities in conditions of strong electronic warfare. Or under some specific weather conditions. Or at a certain level of air defense saturation. It is precisely these restrictions that are removed as the aircraft enter an ever newer degree of combat readiness.

                        The bottom line is that airplanes ALWAYS have high demands. It was the same with the F-15 at the beginning of its operation, and with the F-16. And the Soviet Yak-28 bomber was generally operated for about 30 years, was produced in the amount of 1130 pieces, but was not officially adopted until the very decommissioning.

                        The US Air Force has already planned to reduce their purchases by more than 1/3 of the planned amount, having decided to purchase the time-tested F-16s, which have been in operation for more than 45 years, the American media concluded.

                        First, these are only plans. They will be cut if, within 10 years (from 2018), the aircraft will remain expensive to maintain / operate.

                        Secondly, if this reduction still occurs, the Air Force will still receive almost 1200 aircraft. This is quite enough.
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 15 February 2021 18: 56
                        +4
                        The first production aircraft - no, this is no longer the initial one.

                        True? And when does the initial one end?

                        Of course. A factory defect will only require improved control over the production of subsequent copies, and a constructive flaw will require revision.

                        The first plane entered the army. Do you think that "design flaws" were eliminated so quickly, or did you decide - and so it will do?

                        And the Soviet Yak-28 bomber was generally operated for about 30 years, was produced in the amount of 1130 pieces, but was not officially adopted until the very decommissioning.

                        You should not repeat the mistakes of the Soviet period and waste money thoughtlessly. If the Americans do not understand this, the flagpole is in their scruff.

                        Secondly, if this reduction still occurs, the Air Force will still receive almost 1200 aircraft. This is quite enough.

                        Of course yes No matter how many released it will be enough. It doesn't matter 3 or 000. These are elves, they are not mistaken laughing
                        Forgive me, by what method do you determine the sufficiency? sad
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 19: 07
                        -3
                        True? And when does the initial one end?

                        So you have to ask this.

                        The first plane entered the army. Do you think that "design flaws" were eliminated so quickly, or did you decide - and so it will do?

                        The second option is also quite possible.

                        You should not repeat the mistakes of the Soviet period and waste money thoughtlessly. If the Americans do not understand this, the flagpole is in their scruff.

                        In Soviet times, they did not squander funds, but maintained parity in military equipment.

                        No matter how many released it will be enough. It doesn't matter 3 or 000. These are elves, they are not mistaken

                        So there are still more of these 1200 F-35s than we have all fighters (about 800 units).

                        And it should be borne in mind that this is only about fighters of the US Air Force, it is said, excluding the fleet of the Navy and the ILC.

                        And this is without taking into account the F-16, F-15, F-22, which will be in operation for more than one decade.
                      4. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 15 February 2021 19: 33
                        +3
                        So you have to ask this.

                        So you don't know? But are you sure that this is not so? It’s not you who like to talk about logic?
                        In my opinion, I clearly outlined the initial stage of mass production.

                        In Soviet times, they did not squander funds, but maintained parity in military equipment.

                        For which they paid. If a neighbor with a fool does something a lot, this does not mean at all that you should have the same.

                        So there are still more of these 1200 F-35s than all our fighters (about 800 units).

                        Then why were they going to build more than 3? The planning accuracy is amazing good Are you proposing to maintain parity with these?

                        And it should be borne in mind that this is only about fighters of the US Air Force, it is said, excluding the fleet of the Navy and the ILC.

                        Of course, the Marines made the decision to cut their fleet much earlier.

                        And this is without taking into account the F-16, F-15, F-22, which will be in operation for more than one decade.

                        Did they just understand this and therefore cut production?
                        Or do you substantiate your point of view about sufficiency?
  • bobba94 Offline bobba94
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 14 February 2021 21: 36
    +3
    If Russia had the same military budget as the United States, the situation would be the same. They would have stamped 500 Su-57s, reported to the party, the government and the Soviets ..... sorry, to the Russian people and then in the same way they began to bring the raw product to mind. And it's good that so far there are only 10 prototypes that are chasing the tail and mane on tests ...
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 15 February 2021 01: 08
      -4
      Quote: bobba94
      If Russia had the same military budget as the United States

      That's when the Russian economy will approach the American economy in terms of GDP per capita ... bully
  • oderih Offline oderih
    oderih (Alex) 14 February 2021 21: 53
    +6
    Most of all, we are afraid of the clothes binders. These are the use of slingshots to shoot down Boeings. And the planes over the Black Sea with Israeli citizens.
  • Rum rum Offline Rum rum
    Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 00: 02
    +4
    Bindyuzhnik (Miron)
    Laughter and more!

    Laughter and more!
    In Russia, extremely damp cars are not put into series, and they are not sold to suckers. (I understand, trade honesty is not your honor).

    1. Even on the engine of the first stage, the Su-57 has a cruising supersonic sound and in this parameter corresponds to the top five. And what about this parameter in the F-35?
    The second stage engine improves efficiency characteristics. And what about this parameter in the F-35?

    2. Learn more about successful combat missions.

    3. All criticism is based on statements by Western officials and the media. (how do we know behind their crap).

    4. Fear and envy are all the same, your national feelings. (don't get off your sore head)
  • Rum rum Offline Rum rum
    Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 01: 01
    +4
    Miron,
    He answered my post about the Saudis, but are you silent here?
    Or didn't you like it?
    Well, why not be offended by the truth.
    You should have brought your Lavi to mind you should, and not buy this Mr.
    But I must admit, Lavi Israel alone would not have pulled.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 15 February 2021 01: 16
      -3
      Quote: Rum Rum
      Myron, why shut up?

      In a similar tone with his drinking buddies. lol
      1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
        Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 01: 17
        +3
        But essentially?
      2. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
        Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 01: 21
        +3
        My wife does this - she chooses a part of the question, and falls on insult. (are you sure your name isn't Sarah)
        Okay, I'll reformulate.
        Dear Myron, why didn't you reply to my post.
        (further in the text).
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 15 February 2021 02: 07
          -3
          Quote: Rum Rum
          (are you sure your name isn't Sarah)

          I'm sure your wife's name isn't Sarah.
          According to the text:
          1. In Russia, not a single new aircraft, including the Su-57, is actually being put into production.
          2. And what kind of planes regularly attack Iranian targets in Syria and Iraq?
          3. If only these persons knew what they were saying ...
          4. Well, of course, we Jews have been afraid for more than 70 years and invariably win, win and are afraid. And I, sitting on my veranda overlooking the lake, terribly envy a Russian pensioner who lives in a crumbling Khrushchev building.
          5. The truth in your fabrications is not a penny, and the decision to curtail the Lavi project is still controversial.
          1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
            Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 16: 05
            +2
            Quote: Bindyuzhnik
            I'm sure your wife's name isn't Sarah.

            And thank God. I pray for this every day.

            1. Su-30 of all modifications, Su-35, Su-34 (all went into production in a combat-ready state). The Su-57 was brought to mind and went into production (yes, only the beginning, but this was the case with all our planes and this is normal). Are we going to talk about helicopters?

            And what kind of planes regularly attack Iranian targets in Syria and Iraq?

            2. Are you joking right? In the absence of opposition, to attack from foreign territory? Yes, there and An-2 will cope.
            3. Read the western press in the original (this is useful).
            If you don't have enough education - "googel-translator" will help you.
            4. 70 years old? Defeating whom? Do you have someone to win there? Don't tell my slippers.
            You did make me laugh! Thank! laughing
            5. This is your subjective opinion. Lavi you fucked up for the sake of the F-16. (in my subjective opinion - it was an interesting project, in other words, like the Swedish griffin / by the way, they do not ... - well, you get the hint wink /)
            And your Lavi was brought to mind by the Chinese (by the way, it is a wise act to sell him to the Chinese. Good should not be lost.).
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 17: 53
              -2
              Su-57 brought to mind and went into series

              And the first serial crashed.

              Su-30 of all modifications, Su-35, Su-34 (all went into production in a combat-ready state).

              Why is there such confidence that they are all in combat readiness?

              70 years old? Defeating whom? Do you have someone to win there? Don't tell my slippers.

              A collection of Arab armies, significantly outnumbering the Israelis and armed with the most modern (at the time of the Arab-Israeli wars) Soviet weapons.

              And, Soviet military pilots (Operation Rimon) and Soviet air defense crews (Operation Medvedka-19) also won.
              1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
                Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 20: 08
                +3
                № 1
                23 June 2014 year
                An F-35A, assigned to the 58th Fighter Squadron of the US Air Force, flying on a training mission from Eglin Base in Florida, caught fire.

                23 September 2016 years
                An F-35A, assigned to the 61st Fighter Squadron of the United States Air Force based at Luke Base in Arizona, caught fire on the runway of Mountain Home AFB in Idaho.

                27 2016 October, the
                An F-35B assigned to the 501st Marine Attack Fighter Training Squadron, USMC, made an emergency landing at Beaufort Air Station in South Carolina. The fighter caught fire during a training flight.

                22 August 2018 year
                An F-35A, assigned to the 58th Fighter Squadron of the US Air Force, made an emergency landing with the front landing gear raised at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. As a result of the incident, the EOTS optical-electronic location system could be damaged

                4 September 2018 years
                An F-35C assigned to the US Navy's 125th Strike Fighter Squadron sustained engine damage while performing a mid-air refueling exercise over the Atlantic Ocean. Debris from the refueling hose cone has entered the engine.

                28 September 2018 years
                An F-35B, assigned to the 501st US ILC Naval Strike Training Squadron, crashed 8 kilometers west of Beaufort Air Station in South Carolina.

                April 9 2019 years
                F-35A (s / n AX-05, assigned to the 302nd Squadron of the Japanese Air Force, crashed over the Pacific Ocean 135 km east of the Misawa base in Aomori Prefecture, Japan during a training flight.

                8 June 2020 year
                An F-35A, assigned to the 388th Fighter Wing of the US Air Force, made a hard landing at Hill Air Force Base in Utah. The fighter's landing gear broke on contact with the ground.

                29 September 2020 years
                A USMC F-35B crashed near the El Centro Naval Aviation Base after a collision with an air tanker over California.

                7 2020 October, the
                The USMC F-35B, taking off from the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier of the Royal Navy during the Joint warrior exercise, signaled an "emergency" on board, and then made an emergency landing at Lossiemouth AFB.

                # 2 Arabs are warriors only for Jews.
                № 3
                Operation Rimon 20 is the codename for the Israeli Air Force's air combat against Soviet fighter pilots stationed in Egypt during the War of Attrition on July 30, 1970, which resulted in four [1], according to other sources, five Soviet MiG-21 fighters were shot down by Israeli F-4 Phantom and Mirage III fighters.

                Will you now be proud for a couple of millennia and beat your heel in the chest, with joy that you shot down 4 MiGs?

                The battle for the Kuban, Britain and Vietnam combined is straightforward.
                Do you even understand how pathetic you look with these victories?
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 21: 44
                  -2
                  № 1
                  23 June 2014 year
                  An F-35A, assigned to the 58th Fighter Squadron of the US Air Force, flying on a training mission from Eglin Base in Florida, caught fire.

                  Now look:

                  February 25 2011 the first serial F-35 - AF-6 [21] took off for the first time [6], and on May 7 the first serial aircraft (it turned out to be the next serial one - AF-6, AF-XNUMX was transferred a week later) was transferred to the US Air Force

                  And the first serial Su-57 did not even manage to reach the Aerospace Forces.

                  # 2 Arabs are warriors only for Jews.

                  First, Arabs or residents of other less developed countries are not such bad warriors for any enemy. The Soviet contingent in Afghanistan and the Russian troops in Chechnya will be confirmed.

                  Secondly, even taking into account the low training of Arab soldiers, their combined troops in manpower exceeded the Israeli at least 2 times more.

                  Will you now be proud for a couple of millennia and beat your heel in the chest, with joy that you shot down 4 MiGs?

                  Firstly, I am not an Israeli, I have nothing to be proud of this victory.

                  Second, do you want them to shoot down more? For some reason, the commander of the USSR Air Force did not want to:

                  On August 1, 1970, Air Force Commander of the USSR Marshal Pavel Kutakhov flew to Cairo. He ordered an investigation into the circumstances of the armed clash with the enemy. On August 2, Kutakhov ordered the cessation of flights of Soviet pilots in the Suez Canal zone. Marshall forbade his pilots to engage in battle with Israeli fighters. The leadership of the USSR notified the Egyptian side that it could no longer render assistance to the Egyptian government in ensuring the inviolability of Egyptian air borders.

                  Do you even understand how pathetic you look with these victories?

                  No, you look pitiful with your excuses about "the Arabs do not know how to fight" or "4 shot down MIGs is pfff, nonsense."
                  1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
                    Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 23: 40
                    +1
                    You can snort as much as you like
                    "warriors from the Arabs, sho from derm kul". But it will do for you.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 16 February 2021 00: 09
                      -3
                      "warriors from the Arabs, sho from derm kul".

                      Well, of course, against the couch warriors, everyone seems to be powerless
              2. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
                Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 20: 24
                +1
                Quote: Cyril
                Why is there such confidence that they are all in combat readiness?

                Here for you, not there. Russia is not S-S-P.
                In Syria, Russia is bombing with what?
                Not Jewish "fighting spirit" is it?

                And about the combat use of the F-35 by the Jews?
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 22: 02
                  -2
                  In Syria, Russia is bombing with what?
                  Not Jewish "fighting spirit" is it?

                  Is the entire aircraft fleet of the Russian Aerospace Forces deployed in Syria? O_o

                  And about the combat use of the F-35 by the Jews?

                  Back in 2018 it took place.

                  But about the combat use of the F-35 by the Americans:

                  Twelve F-35As deployed last year to the Middle East to support operations against the Islamic State group (ISIS), logging 150 weapons employed during about 7,300 hr. flown on 1,300 combat sorties, said Brig. Gen. David Abba, director of the Air Force's F-35 integration office, speaking at the Mitchell Institute March 9
                  1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
                    Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 23: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Cyril
                    Is the entire aircraft fleet of the Russian Aerospace Forces deployed in Syria? O_o

                    I didn’t understand these games of your mind. What are you talking about?

                    I have already written about combat use, to bomb the Arabs enough An-2. (don't take it lightly, it's ironic).
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 16 February 2021 00: 07
                      -3
                      I didn’t understand these games of your mind. What are you talking about?

                      Uuuuu ... How hard everything is with you. Well, let me explain:

                      Are you:

                      Su-30 of all modifications, Su-35, Su-34 (all went into production in a combat ready state).

                      I am:

                      Why so sure that all are they operational?

                      Are you:

                      In Syria, Russia is bombing with what?

                      I am:

                      And in Syria stationed whole aircraft fleet of the Russian Aerospace Forces

                      Got it, or you need to chew even more?

                      I have already written about combat use, to bomb the Arabs enough An-2. (don't take it lightly, it's ironic).

                      Likewise, Russia, the United States and Israel have bombed only Arabs over the past few decades.

                      But at the same time, you have Russian aircraft - wow, the very power, the very perfection, proven in combat conditions, the aircraft of the United States and Israel - "ugh, but they are only suitable against the Arabs."

                      However, okay. In double standards, Russian jingoistic patriots have no equal, it has long been understood.
          2. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
            Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 17: 22
            +1
            Oh Myron, you are a cunning Jew! wink

            Question number 1, still blurred!
            Well, all the same. What about the parameters of the f-35?
            And is it true that the plane won't take off if the Americans don't allow it? (If this is so, then Israel has gone to pieces. But how does a person who dislikes Jews sit in the White House? There are only anti-Semites around, after all. request Oh, wei! what )
      3. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
        Rum rum (Rum rum) 15 February 2021 17: 35
        +1
        In a similar tone with his drinking buddies.

        Did you mean - "bindyuzhnikov"? drinks
  • alex5450 Offline alex5450
    alex5450 (Alex L) 14 February 2021 20: 41
    -4
    Military Watch is an "American" edition.

    The cars flew on "bad engines" for almost 350 thousand hours with a minimum of accidents. This is despite the fact that the engine is essentially the most modern in the world at this stage. Such a complex project will have childhood illnesses. Well, Runet will broadcast them in megaphone mode.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 14 February 2021 21: 38
      +7
      Such a complex project will have childhood illnesses.

      Will they grow up by the age of 16? You'd better tell me how they were going to establish "serial" production at 100 a year? Without engines?

      Well, Runet will broadcast them in megaphone mode.

      What to do, there are so many friends of Americans in Runet, no one is going to sing laudatory odes to them, especially not deserved ones. You should probably move a little to the east. Just learn MOV, otherwise you won't even become your own there with your convictions.
      1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
        alex5450 (Alex L) 14 February 2021 22: 11
        -5
        You have already checked in with me as a person with weak considerations, so I will repeat myself only once
        -production has already been established and more machines are produced annually than all our (for example) or European plans for the top five combined. Therefore, "we would have their problems."

        -On the existing F-35 engines, hundreds of thousands of hours have already flown without accidents. Including completing combat missions. The engine proves to be extremely reliable.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 14 February 2021 22: 22
          +4
          You have already checked in with me as a person with weak considerations, so I will repeat myself only once
          -production has already been established and more machines are produced annually than all our (for example) or European plans for the top five combined. Therefore, "we would have their problems."

          I do not register with "people" with weak considerations.
          Why do they conclude a contract for only 15 vehicles for the F-8? Why not 100 500 at once? The car is 50 years old, and it starts with a meager batch. Have forgotten how?

          -On the existing F-35 engines, hundreds of thousands of hours have already flown without accidents. Including completing combat missions. The engine proves to be extremely reliable.

          This is great, even if reliable engines are being repaired, and reliable aircraft are on the ground. The budget is saved.
          1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
            alex5450 (Alex L) 14 February 2021 22: 31
            -5
            I noticed some "inconsistency" behind you, either natural or feigned, that's why I warned you.

            That is, you think that ANY production should be kept under a hundred machines at once? Now Boeing's capacities are clearly not capable of delivering half a hundred vehicles a year on the move. They fulfill the contract of the Saudis, they will slowly sell cars to the USAF and Israel. Maybe I forgot someone else.
            The preliminary option for 144 vehicles is to replace the drill tags. Some write off others. It will take 7-8 years, if suddenly there are no changes.

            No reliable aircraft fly with might and main. Again, you miss the keywords - "Hundreds of thousands of hours have flown." 340 000+ already if memory serves. It is not on the ground but in the air.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 14 February 2021 23: 03
              +6
              I noticed some "inconsistency" behind you, either natural or feigned, that's why I warned you.

              This is a common defensive reaction, you attribute your shortcomings to others, so it starts to seem to you that against the general background you are not so flawed. Good luck with this question, I guess you shouldn't go back to it anymore. We are not discussing your psychological problems after all.

              That is, you think that ANY production should be kept under a hundred machines at once?

              Of course not. I believe that the release of new cars (or modernized old ones) should start with a small installation batch. We check, test, eliminate "childhood diseases", in parallel there is a debugging of the production process and then a larger batch. And I am for a unified approach without double standards.
              You probably think differently. For some reason, you demand the release of the Su-57 in huge batches, or, more precisely, declare a low production rate and use the F-35 as an example. When it comes to the F-15, everything turns out to be great and the release of 100 a year is not required.

              No reliable aircraft fly with might and main. Again, you miss the keywords - "Hundreds of thousands of hours have flown." 340 000+ already if memory serves. It is not on the ground but in the air.

              True? And I heard that about 1/3 are combat-ready. The rest are just on the ground, including because of problems with the engines. Do you think they lie shamelessly? smile
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 13: 58
                -3
                When it comes to the F-15, then everything turns out to be great and the release of 100 per year is not required.

                First, the contract for the F-15EX is designed for the purchase of 144 vehicles, not 8.

                https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/07/14/13151983.shtml

                Secondly, the new F-15 will carry out the planned replacement of outdated models of this aircraft, of which there are not so many - about 200.

                And the main rearmament is done just at the expense of the F-35.

                True? And I heard that about 1/3 are combat-ready. The rest are just on the ground, including because of problems with the engines. Do you think they lie shamelessly?

                You are lying godlessly. Well, or you cannot understand the difference between "not reached the degree of combat readiness" from "standing on the ground."
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 15 February 2021 16: 26
                  +4
                  First, the contract for the F-15EX is designed for the purchase of 144 vehicles, not 8.

                  What are you saying belay Thanks for the educational work good True, Boeing thinks a little differently. In 2020, a contract for the supply of eight F-15EX - $ 1,2 billion Delivery of the first two is expected in 2021. Call them, explain that they are wrong winked

                  https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2020-07-13-Boeing-and-U-S-Air-Force-Ink-historic-Deal-for-F-15EX-Fighter-Jet

                  The fact that in the future supplies for 23 billion dollars are envisaged does not change the essence of the matter. The conversation was about the pace of production. In this context, the development of the contract is irrelevant. Do you also think that the Americans are capable of producing 100 fighters at once, and only the crooked Russians start with small volumes? And here is the beginning of production of not a new modernized fighter. And what do we see? 500 fighters in a year ...
                  You, as usual, did not understand the essence of the issue and rushed with your tailbone to the embrasure. I understand, of course, the reflex worked, they rushed without thinking about protecting the "elves" ... In general, they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. smile

                  You are lying godlessly. Well, or you cannot understand the difference between "not reached the degree of combat readiness" from "standing on the ground."

                  And how is it different? The fighter is either ready for a combat mission and flying, or not ready and standing on the ground. Compromises like flying crocodiles, but low interest only to you.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 18: 09
                    -3
                    The fact that in the future supplies for 23 billion dollars are envisaged does not change the essence of the matter.

                    Well, of course, anything that doesn't fit into your picture of the world doesn't change the essence of the matter :)

                    And here is the beginning of production of not a new modernized fighter. And what do we see? 2 fighters in a year ...
                    You, as usual, did not understand the essence of the issue and rushed with your tailbone to the embrasure.

                    Firstly, the F-15 EX is actually a new fighter, it has only a glider from the F-15, and even that is a redesigned one.

                    Secondly, this aircraft is being launched into series to replace gradually retiring older models. Hence the slowness. The Americans have about 200 fairly new F-15 E aircraft in service.

                    They tell you about the rate of production of 5th generation fighters. And here the Americans and their allies have more than 600 F-35s, and Russia has 1 (in words - one) Su-57.

                    And how is it different? The fighter is either ready for a combat mission and flying, or not ready and standing on the ground.

                    In Western aviation, "combat readiness" has several stages - it depends on what restrictions a particular aircraft has and what combat missions it can perform. The fact that 2/3 of the aircraft have not reached the stage of full combat readiness does not mean that they are on the ground and are generally incapable of conducting combat operations.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 15 February 2021 18: 15
                      +3
                      They tell you about the rate of production of 5th generation fighters. And here the Americans and their allies have more than 600 F-35s, and Russia has 1 (in words - one) Su-57.

                      And what happens to the light-faced elves if it comes to the production of 4th generation aircraft? smile Is it different? winked

                      Of course, anything that doesn't fit into your picture of the world doesn't change the essence of the matter.

                      No, rather your stupidity bothers you. We are talking about the pace of serial production at the initial stage, which does not matter in their long-term plans. hi
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 18: 24
                        -3
                        And what happens to the light-faced elves if it comes to the production of 4th generation aircraft? smile Is that different?

                        Do you want to repeat it a second time, but it doesn't work from the first? Okay.

                        This modification gradually replaces older models as they are decommissioned. It makes no sense to produce a bunch of aircraft of the previous generation at once if the older ones are still in operation.

                        It's so elementary that I don't even know why explain it to a seemingly adult person.

                        To you - once again - they are talking about comparing 5th generation aircraft. Does Russia already have such planes? Not.
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 15 February 2021 18: 35
                        +2
                        This modification gradually replaces older models as they are decommissioned. It makes no sense to produce a bunch of aircraft of the previous generation at once if the older ones are still in operation.

                        ABOUT!!! He can but don’t want to? Is that the point?

                        To you - once again - they are talking about comparing 5th generation aircraft.

                        You didn't get it the third time? Talk about the pace of production at the initial stage. You isolate separately the 5th generation.
                        What makes you think that we need hundreds of Su-57s a year?

                        It's so elementary that I don't even know why explain it to a seemingly adult person.

                        You simply have nothing to answer except yes they are not very much and therefore they are not in a hurry.
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 15 February 2021 19: 03
                        -2
                        ABOUT!!! He can but don’t want to? Is that the point?

                        Yes, there is no special need for this.

                        You didn't get it the third time? Talk about the pace of production at the initial stage. You isolate separately the 5th generation.

                        I "isolate" the 5th generation, because this type of aircraft is practically not in service. For example, the Su-27 began to be produced in relatively large batches even before the aircraft was put into service, because the Americans already had a large fleet of F-15s by that time.
                      4. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 15 February 2021 19: 24
                        +2
                        Yes, there is no special need for this.

                        How curious. It turns out that the demand for new F-35s is not so high. Are they doing all this out of boredom?
                        And of course we have a huge need, but we just can't ..
                        Of course, it is naive to expect a stupid point of view from you.

                        I "isolate" the 5th generation, because this type of aircraft is practically not in service.

                        You "isolate" them only because you can't imagine the elves in a white light differently, the halo fades catastrophically.
        2. alex5450 Offline alex5450
          alex5450 (Alex L) 15 February 2021 18: 09
          -2
          Okay, but if I see a fool playing again or a "typical" scoffing, the conversation will be interrupted.

          You probably think differently.

          I'm talking about the real achievements of the F-35 program, and just for comparison, I show that our successes in this field are more than modest. Americans can afford to produce cars and bring them to mind in parallel with the acquisition of experience (including combat), the training of infrastructure, personnel and pilots, as it was once in the USSR. We do not have such luxury - the Su-57 program is stalling and in general was on the verge of "freezing" from where the president pulled it out by a willful decision.

          When it comes to the F-15, then everything turns out to be great and the release of 100 per year is not required.

          This car was generally beyond the USAF's plans. It is not surprising that it will be produced in a "small" (by American standards, of course, 144 cars are assumed) series with a relatively low rate. It's so elementary that I don't even know how much easier it is.

          True? And I heard that about 1/3 are combat-ready.

          First, there is a small clarification - they are combat-ready at the same time. Yesterday this car was on duty, today it is different, which does not prevent them from flying (as indicated by the considerable numbers of raids), to carry out training and combat missions
          For peacetime, 36 percent of fully combat-ready vehicles, this is not enough, which causes criticism and demands for its increase. Which is what happens.

          Do you think the F-16s are 90-100% operational? Or Su-35?
  • Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 14 February 2021 23: 42
    0
    A, monthly drain F35.

    in the trend the anonymous now has not the previous 600+ shortcomings, but the engine ...
    And that Militaru is the site of an Arab, we should check ...
  • Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 14 February 2021 23: 44
    -4
    stamp 600 or more of the same "xp @ new" su-57, and not just one and then you can also hit them.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 15 February 2021 16: 35
      +4
      stamp 600 or more of the same "xp @ new" su-57, and not just one and then you can also hit them.

      Do you offer us to stamp "guano" and put it on the field? Pay for the order and you can do the same with it. Why should Russia throw serious money down the drain?
      Stamp at least one "xp @ new" su-57, then you will be clever.
      1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 16 February 2021 02: 09
        0
        123 with its uselessly stupid and even for the frequent harmful hurray-n @ tsr @ otism, I already separately suggested walking where and how often.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 16 February 2021 03: 02
          +2
          Probably you are right about something, you probably had to come up with something, was lazy, filled in three numbers. Surely something like Aibolit came up here, many people need help. Don't go for a walk in Africa, there are more suitable places for you wink