Russia and Kazakhstan cannot share the remaining "Buran"


February 12, 2021 specialized interdistrict economic the court of the city of Almaty denied the Committee of State Property and Privatization of the Ministry of Finance of Kazakhstan to liquidate the Rocket and Space Company Baikonur JSC. At the same time, the court refused to return the property of the specified legal entity to the state property - a model and a second flight copy of the Soviet orbital reusable rocket ship. This is stated in a statement posted on the court's Facebook page.


The court clarified that the government department was trying to liquidate the company, collect 14 billion tenge (175,5 million rubles) from it and send the said property to the museum for further use. At the same time, government agencies did not indicate the date and parties to the transaction with property (Buran 1.02 and PM OK-MT 0.07), i.e. when and by whom the "Soviet shuttles" were transferred. Therefore, the court could not recognize the transaction as invalid, and it is impossible to transfer the property without liquidation of the legal entity under Kazakh law.

It should be recalled that the head of the Russian state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin wanted to buy this property is stored at the Baikonur cosmodrome, but he was unable to find its owner. After a while, the head of RSC Baikonur JSC, a Kazakh businessman, Dauren Musa (born 1974), appeared, he said that he had spent a lot of money to preserve rare spacecraft.

After that there was a pause, apparently the parties were trying to come to an agreement. But after a while it became known that the Kazakh authorities decided to sue the property. Time will tell whether the "Soviet shuttles" will become museum exhibits. Unfortunately, so far Moscow and Nur-Sultan (Astana) cannot share the remaining Soviet legacy. We will follow the development of events with interest.
  • Used photographs: Georgy Dolgopsky / wikimedia.org
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  1. Don36 Offline Don36
    Don36 (Don36) 13 February 2021 16: 15
    +8
    If the government of Kazakhstan becomes a problem, then it is time for the Russian Federation to stop military support to the army of this country at domestic Russian prices. If someone ignores the interests of the Russian Federation, Russia should do the same with them.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 February 2021 17: 08
    0
    Surely the price did not agree.
    Now they will bargain further ...
  3. mark1 Offline mark1
    mark1 13 February 2021 17: 46
    -1
    And they don't want to buy Energia? There seem to be several copies ...
    1. alex5450 Online alex5450
      alex5450 (Alex L) 13 February 2021 22: 45
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      Why do we need them?
      1. mark1 Offline mark1
        mark1 15 February 2021 14: 17
        -1
        For what and "Buran" - for beauty ...
        1. alex5450 Online alex5450
          alex5450 (Alex L) 15 February 2021 19: 41
          -1
          The place has already been taken at VDNKh.
  4. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 13 February 2021 17: 54
    +4
    After a while, the head of RSC Baikonur JSC, a Kazakh businessman, Dauren Musa (born 1974), appeared, he said that he had spent a lot of money to preserve rare spacecraft.

    Slicker laughing I decided to cut down the "cabbage" easily. We saw how he kept the property. It is necessary to clarify where in business it intersects with Russia, create problems, if not for him, partners and help solve them in exchange for "pliability" to transfer Buran to his native harbor!

    1. Starover_Z Offline Starover_Z
      Starover_Z (Yuri) 13 February 2021 18: 21
      +1
      Quote: 123
      It is necessary to clarify where in business it intersects with Russia, create problems, if not for him, and help partners solve them in exchange for "pliability" in transferring Buran to his native harbor!

      ... by hiring Mriya to relocate the Buran from Ukraine, which was created for this?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 13 February 2021 18: 29
        +3
        ... by hiring Mriya to relocate the Buran from Ukraine, which was created for this?

        The "dream" is urgently to be bought by "Vietnamese" businessman Li Xi Qing at the price of scrap. She has nothing to do in the country of dying aviation. For those latitudes, this is an atavism winked
        1. Starover_Z Offline Starover_Z
          Starover_Z (Yuri) 13 February 2021 18: 34
          +3
          Quote: 123
          The "dream" is urgently to be bought by "Vietnamese" businessman Li Xi Qing at the price of scrap.

          laughing drinks
        2. Starover_Z Offline Starover_Z
          Starover_Z (Yuri) 13 February 2021 18: 36
          +2
          Quote: 123
          She has nothing to do in the land of dying aviation

          And it was the richest and most industrially developed republic! They just didn't work with the atom there.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 13 February 2021 18: 49
            +2
            And it was the richest and most industrially developed republic! They just didn't work with the atom there.

            For a fool, a glass ... "ball" will not last long, will break, and even cut his hands.
          2. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 13 February 2021 23: 14
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            Quote: Starover_Z
            Quote: 123
            She has nothing to do in the land of dying aviation

            And it was the richest and most industrially developed republic! They just didn't work with the atom there.

            VostGOK (Zheltye Vody, Dnepropetrovsk region) - mining and processing of uranium-containing ore.
            Adequate developed infrastructure, science and training of specialists, and many more related things ...
            But with the "nezalezhnost" almost all of this scientific and industrial splendor (as, incidentally, the most powerful rocket-building Dnipropetrovsk "Yuzhmash" and the aircraft-building Kiev "Antonov", with their subcontractors and the accompanying infrastructure created during the Soviet era) was quickly reduced to decline and now practically dead, as it turned out to be tattered and destroyed by ignorant "Svidomo" marginals, farmsteads and shtetl, first of all, "activists who changed their shoes" from among the "members of The CPSU and the Komsomol ", komrenegates of all Soviet-party" power levels (carefully nurtured and "promoted to leading positions" by the "stagnant-perestroika" Soviet power, "nomenklatura" careerists, hypocritical and deceitful opportunists, inherently unprincipled and unprincipled " educated people "with a pronounced kleptokholuy shtetl-mercantile" Jewish mentality ", and now their kindred" brood "has matured and is also attached to" thieves' feeding places "either by owning" or "beyond the cordon", and these devouring, as if not into themselves , primitive "organisms", like a "shashel" tree, with their purely "uterine life" undermine and destroy the foundations of any statehood, not only in "Ukraine", alas) "... request
            While they were led and controlled from Moscow in the Ukrainian SSR, there was Development and there was Law and Order, and under the Ameroholuy Banderonazi, anti-national apartheid of the Galitsai style, Russophobic "non-dependence", only Decline, Deindustrialization and the slaughter, genocidal, Depopulation of the Multinational Population!
    2. _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
      _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 13 February 2021 18: 37
      +4
      painfully familiar srach ...)) kyzylorda
  5. Joker62 Offline Joker62
    Joker62 (Ivan) 13 February 2021 18: 29
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    Quote: mark1
    And they don't want to buy Energia? There seem to be several copies ...

    No, there are no Energies in Kazakhstan, and even more so in hangars for preparation and storage of RK - there is none. There was more or less one more or less Buran 1-02, almost in a deplorable state. A little more - and that's it, you can throw this car into the trash.
    1. alex5450 Online alex5450
      alex5450 (Alex L) 13 February 2021 22: 48
      -2
      And what else can you do with it except as a dump museum? And for both, it has been unchanged for 20+ years.
  6. Joker62 Offline Joker62
    Joker62 (Ivan) 14 February 2021 06: 01
    +2
    Quote: alex5450
    And what else can you do with it except as a dump museum? And for both, it has been unchanged for 20+ years.

    No, you're wrong. With this machine, you can digitize and make a better shape. As they did with the Tu-160. This is the first thing. Second, since all the documentation on Buran has been lost (and they were stored on magnetic disks from old EC-1060 machines - I don’t remember exactly,) such was lost. Except for the manufacture of refractory tiles.
    1. alex5450 Online alex5450
      alex5450 (Alex L) 14 February 2021 07: 25
      -1
      Do you think that Buran's shape is some kind of mystery?
      Tu-160 has undergone a deep modernization of equipment and not a form. And that's not because of a good life.
      Documentation (and in the USSR it was necessarily duplicated on paper, even the program code) will not be restored from the purchase of a rarity. It is empty inside.
  7. Joker62 Offline Joker62
    Joker62 (Ivan) 14 February 2021 07: 41
    +1
    Quote: alex5450
    Do you think that Buran's shape is some kind of mystery?
    Tu-160 has undergone a deep modernization of equipment and not a form. And that's not because of a good life.
    Documentation (and in the USSR it was necessarily duplicated on paper, even the program code) will not be restored from the purchase of a rarity. It is empty inside.

    If the paperwork had been preserved, a new shuttle with improved characteristics would have been built long ago. And so there is no documentation live, it remained only on magnetic media - there are calculations and descriptions of all technological descriptions. And you can't copy from magnetic media, tk. there is a different recording format than the format of IBM and Mac. And the software for them is also completely different. So there are enough problems.
    Even let it be empty, and then the information, because on 1-02 there are more changes than on 1-01, which was already flying.
    1. alex5450 Online alex5450
      alex5450 (Alex L) 14 February 2021 08: 23
      -1
      New shuttle? Who would build? Yes, a long time ago. Not understood.
      Transferring from old media to new ones is not an easy task, but in general it is not so difficult. And I already wrote - in the USSR the code was duplicated on paper. And the codes of the late 70s are hardly needed now.
      There were changes on the second, but not some super important - the list of them is known. However, no one is going to revive a not very successful project from the 70s.