What is behind Turkey's claims to Russian territories


Extremely active and aggressive external policy In recent years, Ankara has inevitably forced to talk about its attempts in one form or another to recreate the "Ottoman Empire-2". Some Turkish media even publish some maps where the Russian North Caucasus, the Volga region and part of Siberia inhabited by Turkic-speaking peoples are in the zone of its influence. It is customary for us to dismiss all this, pointing out that Turkey is just a regional power with a problematic the economy, which cannot afford such an integration project. Anyway, she is a "vassal" of the United States who looks into Washington's mouth. But is it worth treating Ankara's neo-Ottoman ambitions so lightly?


Alas, everything is much more complicated than we would like. The 1991 geopolitical catastrophe opened a window of great opportunity for Turkey, which it successfully seized on. Ankara, which was never allowed into the European Union, has been consistently building its own integration project for three decades, which can compete with the Eurasian Union. But she does it in slightly different ways.

Thus, the European Union began with a mutually beneficial economic union, and then moved on to political integration. Initially, Turkey did not have such opportunities, so it chose the path of "soft power", taking the Turkic identity as the basis for integration. It is possible to conditionally single out 4 "circles" within which the Turkish cultural, educational, economic and political expansion is continuously going on. The first includes neighboring Azerbaijan, the countries of the South and North Caucasus. The second includes Central and Central Asia. The third is the Russian regions inhabited mainly by the Turkic-speaking peoples. The latter, as wild as it may sound at first glance, includes the leading power of the EU, Germany, where the largest Turkish diaspora lives. As you can see, we are in third place here, and our allies in the CSTO are in second. The first stage of integration between Azerbaijan and the South Caucasus can be conditionally considered completed after the crushing military defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh.

How does this "soft power" of Ankara work?

Turkish influence comes through the development of a wide network of foundations, associations and communities, educational programs and joint projects, financial support for loyal businesses. Due to this, an influential pro-Turkish lobby and local "Turkish-thinking" elites are formed. In particular, Türk İşbirliği ve Kalkınma Ajansı - TİKA (Agency for Cooperation and Development of Turks) operated on the territory of our country, which set the goal of “growing worthy political leaders”, “TÜRKSOY” - an international organization for the study of Turkic culture (“TURKSOY”) with the official language of communication in Turkish, the cultural centers of the Institute. Yunus Emre, a religious sect "Nurcular", which promotes pan-Turkist ideas and has set itself the goal of introducing its supporters into state bodies, military and law enforcement structures, as well as many others. The main areas of their action are the regions of Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Russian Altai, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Khakassia, Sakha and Tuva. It is not surprising that domestic law enforcement agencies have begun to fight against such activities. For example, the Nurcular religious movement is recognized as extremist in Russia and is prohibited. However, pro-Turkish propaganda is also being carried out through social networks.

Why is all this being done? Is Ankara seriously hoping that Tatarstan or Bashkortostan will someday decide to secede from the Russian Federation and join Turkey? Why would they?


In fact, everything is much more complicated. Politics is determined by the economic basis, but here everything is not so simple. President Erdogan has already laid a solid economic foundation for his integration project “Great Turan”. The joint victory of Baku and Ankara in Nagorno-Karabakh allowed Turkey to open a land transport corridor to neighboring allied Azerbaijan and through it to the Caspian Sea. And that changes a lot. Now Turkey has received not only direct access to the resources of the continental shelf of the Caspian Sea, but also the ability to intercept transit cargo flows from Asia to Europe from Russia, turning into a "logistics superpower". This means that the countries of Central and Central Asia are becoming involved in this joint economic project, which competes with our "North-South".

And that's not all. Also, there is already an alternative pipeline supplying Azerbaijani gas to Southern Europe via Turkey. Access to the Caspian Sea could give a second life to the project of the Trans-Caspian pipeline, which will send Turkmen and Kazakh gas through TANAP, bypassing the Russian "Turkish Stream". And oil and gas are the cornerstone of the entire Russian power vertical. This means an almost imminent conflict between the Kremlin and the former Soviet republics. Kazakhstan risks becoming the first in line, without which this transit project will not take place.

The reason for the escalation may be, for example, the issue of the "northern territories", where some anti-Russian provocations against the local population may occur, which will entail retaliatory actions of the RF Ministry of Defense. And here the "savior" Turkey, which has already helped Azerbaijan, can intervene in the matter. A quarrel with the "northern neighbor" could push Nur-Sultan into the arms of Ankara and convince other Central and Central Asian republics of the need for closer economic, military and political integration around Turkey, which positions itself as the center of a macro-regional unification alternative to Russia, as opposed to Moscow. If something similar to the events in the Donbass begins in Northern Kazakhstan, then a hotbed of permanent instability will arise on the border of the Southern Urals, posing a threat to key industrial regions of our country. In the future, then, in neighboring Kazakhstan, Turkish observers, peacekeepers and military bases may appear.

So we are smoothly approaching the third "circle" of Turkish influence, where Russia is already located. Ankara is toughly and effectively promoting its integration project, alternative to the Eurasian Union, which is engulfing many former Soviet republics. The better “Sultan” Erdogan does it, the more doubts may arise in the minds of “properly grown” local elites in the Turkic-speaking Russian regions. And these are preconditions for separatism, which risks re-entering the agenda, as in 1991, if a coup d'etat and subsequent civil conflict occurs in our country.
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  1. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 13 February 2021 12: 40
    +5
    Now Turkey has received not only direct access to the resources of the Caspian continental shelf, but also the opportunity intercept in Russia transit traffic from Asia to Europe,

    Remained "malach" - to build the above-Caspian bridge or the sub-Caspian tunnel. You can also cooperate with Ukrainian logisticians who have operational experience

    The first experimental voyage on the route Ukraine - Georgia - Azerbaijan - Kazakhstan - China departed from the Ilyichevsk seaport (Odessa region) on January 15, 2016. As it was declared, the route will become a new direction of the Silk Road for the delivery of goods from China to Europe and at the same time an alternative to the delivery of goods from Ukraine to these markets bypassing the territory of Russia.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 13: 11
      0
      Quote: layman
      Remained "malach" - to build the above-Caspian bridge or the sub-Caspian tunnel.

      In fact, there is also a sea route across the Caspian, which requires the expansion of port facilities and the purchase of new ships. China can act as a strategic investor here.
      You fully justify your nickname ... And do not say that I am rude. It is a fact. hi
      1. amateur Offline amateur
        amateur (Victor) 13 February 2021 13: 32
        +4
        In fact, there is also a sea route across the Caspian, which requires the expansion of port facilities and the purchase of new vessels.

        Well, I say that "malach" remained.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 13 February 2021 19: 28
        +1
        ... which requires the expansion of port facilities and the purchase of new ships.

        And also these ships must be transported to the Caspian. How interesting?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 06: 46
          -1
          How do ships end up in the Caspian? Do they carry it on their hands?
      3. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 13 February 2021 19: 31
        +2
        China will not let anyone into Central Asia. Maybe he himself will not climb far so as not to quarrel with Russia, but, starting from Turkmenistan and to the east, he will not let anyone in. There are 4 gas pipes. China believes in Russia. Turkey is not.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 07: 07
          0
          I have already answered Irina about this. It is not known how China itself will develop in the future. The US Democratic Party will now deal with it tightly, not until Central Asia it may soon be.
  2. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 13 February 2021 13: 00
    +4
    Here you need to understand that the countries that separated from Russia after the collapse of the USSR were lost even when their independence was built, as in Ukraine, on Russophobia and anti-Russia. The fact that Turkey and Azerbaijan were able to defeat Armenia in Karabakh, which itself did not recognize Karabakh as part of Armenia and did not dare to transfer its elite units and the Air Force to the front, does not mean that Turkey with someone from the republics of the former USSR can just as easily defeat the Russian Federation. You need to understand that the army of Armenia and the army of Russia are different sizes and different equipment. The Kremlin not only can, but is obliged to suppress the activities of pro-Turkish organizations on the territory of the Russian Federation that are engaged in anti-Russian propaganda and separatism in the Russian Federation. Turkish ambitions create Turkey not only allies, such as Baku, but also opponents. In particular, France, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Greece, and the Federal Republic of Germany tolerate the Turks, for the time being, for the time being. Nationalists regularly gain their votes in the elections in the Federal Republic of Germany and their votes are not getting smaller. The USA today is also not inclined to support the creation of the Ottoman Empire-2. So Turkish revanchism should not be ignored, but it is not as terrible as, for example, the ambitions of Japan. Turkey has a large army, but it is equipped with chickens to laugh. With rare exceptions, the Turks cannot produce military equipment. The project to create a Turkish tank has been stalled for more than a decade. The construction of 3 new missile corvettes can be called a Turkish success, but even there the number of elements in their design directly of Turkish production is questionable. The West is not eager to supply Turkey with new military equipment. Suffice it to recall the recent refusal of the EU and Canada to supply engines and electronics for UAVs to Turkey. Even seemingly defeated by Baku and Ankara, Armenia has a significant Armenian lobby in many countries, including NATO countries, and it does its work not in favor of Turkey and the company.
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 13: 09
    -5
    Quote: Wanderer039
    The fact that Turkey and Azerbaijan were able to defeat Armenia in Karabakh, which itself did not recognize Karabakh as part of Armenia and did not dare to transfer its elite units and the Air Force to the front, does not mean that Turkey with someone from the republics of the former USSR can just as easily defeat the Russian Federation.

    Yes, no one at all speaks about the war between Turkey and Russia.
    1. Shadow041 Offline Shadow041
      Shadow041 13 February 2021 13: 35
      +4
      If not a war, then how can Turkey try to squeeze something from the Russian Federation? Separatism? But this is again a war, like a Chechen one, if the Russian Federation does not timely stop the mess on its territory, and Turkey manages to undermine the situation in its favor!
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 06: 47
        -2
        Note that the risk of separatism was mentioned only in the context of a possible coup d'etat and civil conflict. Out of the blue, naturally
  4. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 13: 35
    -3
    1. Oil fields in the Caspian have already been allocated. British Petroleum rules here. And even China is not very capable of doing something here. The contracts with BP were concluded for many years to come. The development of the port infrastructure of Azerbaijan has been going on for a long time. Regardless of Turkey's influence.
    2. Turkmen gas completely goes to China. Plus, until recently, Turkmen gas could not go to Europe for the reason that Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan had disputes over border fields. Only a month ago, we finally signed a joint statement on the Dostlug field (this is the former Kapaz-Sardar).
    3. The fact that the Turkish influence is growing in Russia or in Azerbaijan or even in Ukraine, no one except Russia is to blame. Why is Russian influence weaker than Turkish influence in Tatarstan or in the North Caucasus?
    4. Axiom of geopolitics. During the period of development of national states (this applies to all states of the former USSR), there simply cannot be any other elites besides nationalist ones. For example, even Putin called Medvedchuk a "Ukrainian nationalist"
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 14 February 2021 20: 39
      +1
      Caspian oil fields have already been allocated. British Petroleum rules here. And even China is not very capable of doing something here. The contracts with BP were concluded for many years to come.

      Don't you really hope for them? In my opinion, the Anglo-Saxons have several other plans. The Americans have already greased their skis. Russian and Hungarian oilmen fill the vacuum.

      Baku, 17 Apr - IA Neftegaz.RU. Chevron sold all its assets in Azerbaijan for $ 1,57 billion to Hungarian MOL. The deal was closed on April 16, 2020.

      https://neftegaz.ru/news/shelf/543051-chevron-prodala-vse-svoi-aktivy-v-azerbaydzhane/

      “Contractor of BP (British Petroleum) Azerbaijan, ASCO, is leaving Azerbaijan.

      This is 2015, I recalled because instead of them, as in the case of Chevron, Hungarians entered (MOL)

      Lukoil expands its presence

      In Davos, the President of Azerbaijan and the head of LUKOIL discussed the issue of the company's participation in the development of the Nakhichevan and Goshadash fields

      https://oilcapital.ru/news/upstream/23-01-2020/lukoyl-budet-razrabatyvat-dva-morskih-bloka-v-azerbaydzhane

      SOCAR and LUKOIL heads discuss expansion of cooperation and new projects in Azerbaijan

      http://interfax.az/view/820552

      In my opinion, Greta bit BP itself, they are aiming at green energy, look at the company's development strategy.

      https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/news-and-insights/press-releases/from-international-oil-company-to-integrated-energy-company-bp-sets-out-strategy-for-decade-of-delivery-towards-net-zero-ambition.html
  5. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 13: 41
    0
    Regarding the "transport corridor".
    I'm tired of repeating that the transport corridor has already existed. This is the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway. The "transport corridor" that you are constantly writing about has not yet been built. It will pass through the territory of Armenia. It will be under the control of Russian border guards. So specifically, the war in Karabakh did not create any additional "corridor".
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 06: 48
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      The "transport corridor" that you are constantly writing about has not yet been built. It will pass through the territory of Armenia.

      I don't see any contradiction. It's about building a new project.
  6. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 13: 49
    -2
    Interesting phrase in the article

    Initially, Turkey did not have such opportunities, so it chose the path of "soft power", taking the Turkic identity as the basis for integration.

    Why interesting? That is, you regard the construction of a "Turkic world" on the basis of "Turkic identity" as a threat to Russia's interests.
    Likewise, the West views the construction of the "Russian world" on the basis of "Russian identity" as a threat to itself.
    Do you want to draw an analogy?
    The point is that the construction of the "Russian world" (by the way, Lukashenko said that such a concept does not exist at all) and the construction of the "Turkic world" do not mean territorial expansion at all. Otherwise, you will have to admit that Russia poses a threat to all neighboring states.
    Be careful with your definitions. Wrong wording leads to wrong conclusions. And they form a hostile (at best, negative) attitude towards Russia.
    1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 13 February 2021 14: 00
      +4
      Likewise, the West views the construction of the "Russian world" on the basis of "Russian identity" as a threat to itself.

      How foldable. You just missed one important point: in our case, we are talking about states that, by the standards of history, quite recently were still part of a single country. The Turks, on the other hand, have nothing to do with Central Asia. So the Slavs (if we draw an analogy with the Turks) both live in Poland and in the Czech Republic, but we do not claim influence in these states. What not to say about Belarus and Ukraine, for example. You draw the wrong parallels.
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 14: 02
        -2
        How old is it "by the standards of history"? 20, 200, or 2000?
        “You missed one important point” Both the “Turkic” and “Russian” worlds are built on the basis of national or linguistic identity. And this is at least 1000 years. By the standards of history, this is quite a sufficient period.
        Yes, an addition. In general, the Turks are not even related to Azerbaijan. But the Turks are even related to Altai.
        1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 13 February 2021 14: 08
          +4
          By the standards of history, "is this how many years? 20, 200 or 2000

          No need to write nonsense. You perfectly understood what kind of united country I am talking about.

          Both the "Turkic" and "Russian" worlds are built on the basis of national or linguistic identity. And this is at least 1000 years. By the standards of history, this is quite a sufficient period.

          This is not true. We, for example, are not building any "Russian world" in Kyrgyzstan. But we are claiming influence in this country. Moreover, for a number of justified reasons at once. This state is part of the orbit of Russia's critical interests. This is a former republic of the USSR, their citizens in the amount of several million, in fact, permanently reside in our territory. There are many family ties. There are different forms of economic and military integration. Now let's see what relation the Turks have to Kyrgyzstan. None, except that both peoples originated from the same ethnic group. That's the whole difference.
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 14: 18
            -4
            Well, at once, and stupidity .... Identity is determined precisely by hundreds of years. This is what the article is about.
            It is understandable that any large state has critical interests in neighboring countries. Let's say the States have critical interests in Cuba and Venezuela. Turkey has critical interests in Syria. Israel has critical interests in the Golan. Russia simply wants to have neutral states close to its borders. And of course there is no point in building a "Russian world" in Kyrgyzstan due to the absence of Russians. But Kazakhstan will not agree with you.
            The fact that the countries were previously in the USSR does not mean that Russia has a monopoly on them. These countries have grown their own NATIONALIST elite. Good or bad is another matter. But no one even has a thought to enter the orbit of even a kindred Turkey. The author put the title "claims to Russian territories". That is, to the North Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Altai, and so on. They answered him without me. How? War? The author writes about separatism. So make sure that Russian influence is stronger than Turkish influence on Russian territory. If this does not work out, then the problem is not outside, but inside Russia.
            Again. Permanent error of this particular author. These republics (it is already necessary to write countries) took place. They are 30 years old and are represented in the UN. They have their own elite, and they would never agree to be a governor within Russia or Turkey. Does the example of Lukashenka or Yanukovych mean anything?
            1. Bakht Online Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 14: 23
              -3
              This is an interview with Lukashenka for 2015. It is unlikely that he changed his mind even after the last elections. He will never enter the "Russian world".

              1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
                Kristallovich (Ruslan) 13 February 2021 14: 31
                +5
                Russkiy Mir is an invention of journalists and Russian ideologists who have nothing to do with the authorities. This concept is not the official line of Moscow.
              2. Shadow041 Offline Shadow041
                Shadow041 13 February 2021 14: 38
                +4
                Well, while Putin is nursing him, he can bend his fingers. The power will change in the Russian Federation, and in the Russian Federation there will be elections soon, and Putin is already old and the conversation may go completely differently. Without economic, military and political support from the Russian Federation, Lukashenko will not remain president of the Republic of Belarus for long, and Rostov is not rubber, it is not a fact that they will be exported to the Russian Federation, like Yanukovych, may end their days in a loop, because for the EU he is the last dictator of Europe.
            2. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 13 February 2021 14: 28
              +7
              I did not speak about Russian territory. My answers related to third countries. I cited Kyrgyzstan as an example for a reason. I know what I'm talking about. Ankara has long had plans for this republic and is fighting for influence there with Russia. In the past 10 years, China has also joined. Now, only the lazy is not talking about the growth of Beijing's influence. And 20 years ago the same was said about Turkey. That is, the Turks deliberately climb into the zone of special interests of Russia, not the name of this historical justification, but relying only on the notorious "common roots."

              Turkey has critical interests in Syria.

              What, do not tell me? Turkey is the aggressor in Syria. The most common barbarian. Under Assad, Ankara did not experience any problems with the neighboring state. And now he says they need a buffer zone. Why on earth?

              This proves once again that the Turks are pursuing an aggressive, revanchist policy that teeters on the brink of fascism.
            3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 06: 50
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              Well, at once, and stupidity .... Identity is determined precisely by hundreds of years. This is what the article is about.

              There are no such words in the article
            4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 06: 54
              0
              Again. Permanent error of this particular author. These republics (it is already necessary to write countries) took place. They are 30 years old and are represented in the UN. They have their own elite, and they would never agree to be a governor within Russia or Turkey. Does the example of Lukashenka or Yanukovych mean anything?

              DO NOT attribute to me errors and statements that I did not make. I have NEVER written that Azerbaijan or Kyrgyzstan will become part of Turkey, where Aliyev will become the governor. It has ALWAYS been about a supranational interstate association, like the EU, where Turkey will be the leader.
              Maybe it's enough for me to attribute all sorts of nonsense Or do you just do not understand the meaning of what is written?
              P.S. and please do not teach a professional lawyer and a journalist in one person how to correctly name these countries.
              The official name of Kazakhstan is the Republic of Kazakhstan.
              Azerbaijan - Azerbaijan Republic
              Uzbekistan - Republic of Uzbekistan, etc.
          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 13 February 2021 19: 39
            +1
            None, except that both peoples descended from one ethnic group.

            In terms of language, perhaps, but in terms of genetics, the Kyrgyz are Aryans, no less than Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians. So our claims have earlier roots. Haplogroup R1a, you can't help it. The Kyrgyz have 60% of it.
  7. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 13 February 2021 14: 42
    -1
    What is behind Turkey's claims to Russian territories

    - And why did they all run into the Caspian ... - Yes, Turkey has already "entered" the Caspian - two or three years already ... - But Turkey is simply too late for the Caspian ... - China has been "reigning" in the Caspian for a long time ...:
    1. Turkmenistan is completely under China;
    2. Mostly under China and Kazakhstan
    - So Turkey has nothing to do in the Caspian ... - otherwise the Turkmens would quickly "pick up" and take the side of Turkey ...
    - But Tatarstan ... - for nothing that does not border on Turkey; but the influence of Turkey there simply goes off scale ... - And how many mosques, madrassas and various educational institutions with a religious bias have been built and opened there; and how much religious Muslim pro-Turkish literature is produced ... - all this is funded by Turkish money ... And Russia cannot do anything with Turkey's influence on Tatarstan ... - Only create and maintain a high standard of living in Tatarstan ...
    - It is not for nothing that to Tatarstan, to the detriment of other Russian regions and cities ... - there are continuous government orders in Tatarstan ... - in the aviation industry, in the engineering industry, in the automotive industry, in metalworking, in the field of electronics, in the field textile industry and so on and so on ... - This is how to load Tatarstan; so that Tatarstan was satisfied and ... and remained "satisfied" ... - So Turkey even in this "benefited" Tatarstan ... - And after all this, why should Tatarstan not love Turkey ???
    - Turkey also has a great influence on the North Caucasus ... - Plus, numerous diasporas of Chechens, Avars, Karachais and Balkars, Circassians, etc. live in Turkey ... - And their ties with Russian compatriots are very close ...
    - So the "conclusion" suggests itself ...
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 February 2021 17: 12
    0
    And ,'re coming out of the article bored for a long time, it's time to start a new scarecrow.
    Endogan was already a terrorist partner. now - a scarecrow ...
    All this is nonsense ...

    A strong economy - there is influence, a weak economy - ask for money from your neighbors ...
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  10. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 13 February 2021 20: 57
    +1
    Some Turkish media even publish some maps where the Russian North Caucasus, the Volga region and part of Siberia inhabited by Turkic-speaking peoples are in the zone of its influence.

    In some Russian media, publish some maps where all of Turkey will be in the zone of Russian influence. Let the Turks get excited and indignant.
  11. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 13 February 2021 21: 22
    +1
    In general, such things are done quietly. The more bazaar, the less real exhaust.
    Turkey is quietly picking up Adjara for itself. No PR, everything is gradually. And I believe it can work out. And with Central Asia and, moreover, the territories of the Russian Federation - there is too much noise, few resources and no logistics.

    I do not believe.

    (C)
  12. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 06: 57
    0
    Quote: boriz
    And with Central Asia and, moreover, the territories of the Russian Federation - there is too much noise, few resources and no logistics.

    The territory of the Russian Federation is purely hypothetical, with certain extremely negative scenarios. I don't believe in this either, but I described the extreme model.
    But Central Asia is quite realistic.
  13. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2021 06: 58
    0
    Quote: gorenina91
    ... Turkmenistan is completely under China;
    2. Mostly under China and Kazakhstan
    - So Turkey has nothing to do in the Caspian ... - otherwise the Turkmens would quickly "pick up" and take the side of Turkey ...

    You know, it remains to be seen how things will go next in China itself. The US is interested in weakening it by reducing its influence around the world. And they have enough resources and mechanisms for this.
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 14 February 2021 09: 11
      -2
      You know, it remains to be seen how things will go next in China itself. The US is interested in weakening it by reducing its influence around the world.

      - Personally, I have already ... two hundred times wrote that ... that ... that while Russia is "alive" ... then China has nothing to fear ... - And the Americans know this ... - And China knows it and uses it with might and main ... - and behaves more and more insolently ...
      - If Russia had not been "hysterically loyal to China" ... - then China would have been put in its place and driven into a corner ...
      - By itself, China has long been no socialist ... - as such ... - This China already has the "animal grin of imperialism" gaping with might and main ... - and it does not smell of internationalism ... - such "pseudo communist signs "...

      The US is interested in weakening it by reducing its influence around the world. And they have enough resources and mechanisms for this.

      - The United States itself has long been very unlucky with presidents:
      - Starting with Bush Jr. (the most worthless US president); then the Obama presidency and ending with Trump ... - it's all complete sucks for the United States in its foreign policy ... - You can also "sympathize" with Russia in this regard ... the protracted presidency of our guarantor, which is marked by Russia's complete subservience to China, has led to that; which literally subordinated the entire foreign policy and the entire economy of Russia ... - to the interests of China ... - This has not happened to Russia in the whole history and "before the history" of the existence of the Russian State ... ... - to be so dependent on what- either states or "medieval reketers" ... - perhaps only during the time of the Golden Horde ... - And then not under any ruler; under no king; under no communist leader; not even under Yeltsin ... - this never happened; for Russia to be so servile to China ... - as now ...
  14. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 14 February 2021 19: 32
    0
    Citizens and citizens, comrades, ladies and gentlemen, do not quarrel. It's just a pretty picture for the Turkish domestic electorate. The Turkish economy is far from brilliant. We must somehow cheer up the people-population.
    As for the actual transportation itself ..

    "China Service Imports Report 2020" ......
    Imports to China from countries along the Silk Road Belt increased from $ 66,87 billion in 2017 to $ 79,82 billion in 2019. Aggregate imports averaged USD 231,79 billion. The annual growth rate was 14,5%, which is higher than China's imports. The overall growth rate was 11,0%

    (I do not guarantee the accuracy of the translation, in relation to this paragraph the word "services" was constantly repeated. I find it difficult to say what exactly was meant. Those who want to delve into the link themselves are below)
    http://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2020-11/07/content_5558520.htm

    This is approximately 1/3 of the total export-import volume. If I am not mistaken, the volume of freight traffic by rail in the European direction has doubled in 2020. China will continue to develop this direction. No aircraft carrier will cut these communications. And it will develop in different directions, both through us and through Central Asia. Why would they put their eggs in one pan? smile Erdogan will also receive his share in the trade. In my opinion, one can only argue about volumes.
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    Seal (Sergey Petrovich) 17 February 2021 11: 28
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    Where are the claims? The map shows the habitat of peoples belonging to the Turks. That's all. Moreover, the card is generally accepted and is not disputed by anyone. What is the problem ? Why should the map of the settlement of the Turkic peoples be presented as the aggressive aspirations of Turkey?
    Again Armenian provocations?