Three scenarios for Russia and Ukraine in the event of an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass


Recently, there has been an intensification of hostilities in the Donbass. Kiev, delighted with the return of its curator Joe Biden to the White House, is unequivocally inviting the United States to a new war, and the Democratic Party does not need to ask this twice. The likelihood that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to repeat the "Karabakh scenario" has sharply increased.


Alas, this is not an exaggeration, but a harsh reality. Since 2014, too many prerequisites have accumulated for Kiev not to try to cut this “Donbass knot” by force.

At first, The "Minsk Agreement" did not produce results, and the process of "honorable surrender" of the LPNR back to Ukraine on the terms of the Kremlin came to a complete dead end.

SecondlyThe six-week war in Nagorno-Karabakh demonstrated that the lost territories can be returned by military means, it is enough only to prepare well, choose the right time and find the right ally who will change the balance of power. Today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not at all the confused guys that were in 2014. The Ukrainian army has increased its strength, improved the level of training and organization, and received new types of weapons. Of course, this is far from the Wehrmacht, but you should not take the combat capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lightly.

ThirdlyDemocrat Joe Biden, one of the inspirers of the "Ukrainian miracle", returned to the White House in triumph. Nezalezhnaya for him and his family is a personal "plot", so under him Kiev can count on more support than under Donald Trump. If Moscow provides direct military support to Donbass, Washington will impose new sanctions on Russia.

Fourthly, let's add to this the factor of Turkey, which has managed to squeeze Moscow in the Transcaucasus, and now may try to cling to Ukraine. Recall that the Crimean Khanate was once a vassal of the Ottoman Empire, and we had to conquer the whole of Novorossia from the Turks. Earlier, Ankara actively supported the Crimean Tatars, now it is interested in arms contracts with Kiev. Who knows how far the ambitions of "Sultan" Erdogan extend, and what he would like to receive in gratitude for military support in the form of supplying UAVs and consulting his military experts in Donbas?

FifthlyIt is necessary to mention that Russia's relations with the West have deteriorated even more than they were seven years ago. Bypass gas pipelines never really took place, and our country has lost a lot due to a decrease in the volume of hydrocarbon exports. Its financial resources are limited, and it depends heavily on constructive relations with Europe.

Taken together, this means that the Kremlin will have to play with very bad cards. Let's take a quick look at how Russia can respond to a full-scale US-backed offensive against the DPR and LPR of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, using Turkish and Israeli attack UAVs, courtesy of military experts. And you will have to react, since more than 220 thousand Russian citizens already live in Donbass, who managed to obtain passports in a simplified manner.

The worst scenario is if the Kremlin decides to "dance at full feet", providing military assistance only in the format of "vacationers", stating that Russia is not involved in the conflict. What could have happened in 2014, in 2021 against the fortified Armed Forces of Ukraine, armed with attack unmanned aircraft, will not work that way. Perhaps the Ukrainian army will not be allowed to reach Donetsk and Luhansk, but with a high degree of probability the offensive will end with the loss of part of their territories for the DPR and LPR. The demarcation line will significantly advance, victory will be celebrated in Kiev, as well as preparing for a new, final round of the war. See Nagorno-Karabakh.

The second scenario assumes the direct involvement of the Russian army to protect Donbass and our fellow citizens who live there. Only by using its capabilities at full capacity, it will be guaranteed to stop and drive back the APU. Unfortunately, this option means not only great losses on both sides, but also the guaranteed introduction of new sanctions against our country. The United States, as the instigator of escalation, will benefit in any case. The key question is whether it will be necessary to stop at the border of the DPR and LPR, or is it worth going further to the Crimea and Odessa?

There are many advantages to this: Ukraine will be cut off from the sea, which will undermine it economic potential and weaken as a possible military enemy, the peninsula will receive reliable transport connectivity with Russia and, finally, solve the problem with its water supply, the territory of historical Novorossia will be removed from the rule of the Russophobic regime in Kiev, and the enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex will restore industrial ties with ours. Let's make a reservation right away that there is no talk of "annexation" and annexation to our country, perhaps the proclamation of some independent, pro-Russian-minded new state. The inevitable price to pay for this will be a large number of casualties on both sides of the conflict and a new package of Western sanctions. Had such a scenario been implemented in 2014-2015, the price of the issue would have been minimal, but, alas, this opportunity was then flushed down the toilet, and now you have to pay dearly, very dearly.

The latter option presupposes an attempt at real, and not imaginary, reconstruction of Ukraine, regardless of the wishes of its Russophobic authorities in Kiev. With all due respect to the aspirations of Independent citizens, we are forced to look at the situation from the bell tower of Russia's national interests. In response to the aggression against the DPR and LPR, the Kremlin should finally recognize these republics and conclude an agreement on military assistance with them. Also, all Ukrainians who wish, who are not soiled in unseemly acts, need to start distributing Russian passports in a simplified manner. On the territory of Donbass, it is necessary to create an "Army for the Liberation of Ukraine" by organizing, training and equipping it, and for Independent itself - the "Committee for the Salvation of Ukraine". The latter should become a kind of representative body for which everyone could vote, for example, online, increasing its status.

This would create a real power alternative to Kiev that could take control of the territory of historical Novorossia without the direct participation of the RF Armed Forces, and then engage in negotiations with the authorities in Kiev on the further reorganization of Independent into a federation or confederation, where the South-East will remain in its composition , but will take a pronounced pro-Russian position, having concluded an agreement with Moscow on military assistance and economic cooperation. This is not at all the same as pushing the bloodless Donbass back by force. New Russia, allied to our country, where almost all the remaining industry, natural resources are concentrated and there is an outlet to the sea, will allow us to keep the rest of the federal / confederal Ukraine in a fist. By the way, it is for this reason that Kiev simply cannot evade reformatting the system of state structure.

Such a scenario is not ideal, but it seems to be the most preferable and compromise against the background of others, since the fate of Ukraine will be decided by the Ukrainians themselves. But then, let's face it, Russia, by supporting one of the parties, will be able to defend its national interests. Why not? We have the right to eliminate the threat on our border. Will Western sanctions be imposed for this? Of course they will. But let them become a payment for the achieved positive result, and not an endless payment for the unsettledness of the most serious territorial problem with the nearest neighbor. Alas, liberal "nurses" cannot help the cause. A compromise with Kiev and the West behind it is simply impossible, everyone expects from Russia only surrender.
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  1. Robot Bobot Offline Robot Bobot
    Robot Bobot (Robot Bobot Free Thinking Machine) 10 February 2021 12: 17
    -1
    Eh! Russia is a weak and impoverished dyarev, her army is demoralized and drunk, and you can take it with your bare hands! So go ahead, soldiers of the APU! To Bryansk! To Voronezh! To Moscow! A dazzling victory awaits you!
    1. Sergey Demin_2 Offline Sergey Demin_2
      Sergey Demin_2 (Sergey Dyomin) 10 February 2021 22: 24
      +11
      and work in siberia! lads forward !!!
      1. Robot Bobot Offline Robot Bobot
        Robot Bobot (Robot Bobot Free Thinking Machine) 10 February 2021 23: 56
        +7
        they say there is a lot of work in Taimyr!
    2. zloybond Offline zloybond
      zloybond (steppenwolf) 11 February 2021 17: 10
      +3
      This is true, it is high time to reduce their borders to the size of the Kiev region. Drive all Svidomo there, give sticks, rubber boats. We will have a small state in peace and an army in it, like the Somali pirates, to plow the "endless expanses" of the Kiev region. You can also give them help with "modern" aviation - hang gliders. The rest, as usual, is taken away and divided.
    3. Valery Valeriev Offline Valery Valeriev
      Valery Valeriev (Valery Valeriev) 11 February 2021 20: 53
      0
      Not even a robot can reproduce such nonsense. You are an ordinary Zhmeryn one, who in life did not know and does not want to know who is, for example, Shevchenko Taras. And he was going to Moscow. Don't rush, we'll glue your flippers in the same place in Zhmeryk.
    4. Victor_2 Offline Victor_2
      Victor_2 (Victor TE) 13 February 2021 03: 17
      0
      We are waiting for the order ...
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    5. Rewers1970 Offline Rewers1970
      Rewers1970 (Andrey Kindyashov) 13 February 2021 19: 03
      +1
      Exactly ... and work in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ... is free with the subsequent receipt of permanent residence posthumously
    6. Vladimir Belov Offline Vladimir Belov
      Vladimir Belov (Mechislav Matskevich) 14 February 2021 10: 29
      0
      Ukraine has already died.
    7. 8888 Offline 8888
      8888 (Mikhail Mutyan) 14 February 2021 23: 41
      +1
      Didn't you have a doctor's round in your ward yet? Or are you new?
    8. Steve Offline Steve
      Steve (Steve) 16 February 2021 08: 31
      0
      Go ahead, Robot..chane! We are waiting for you for six years. And all just your Terminator-clown on the border chasing. There are plenty of places in Siberia and the Far East.
    9. alex-sherbakov48 16 February 2021 11: 39
      0
      Dreams of the ukrobot, where is your sweetness, dreams have passed, but the muck remains! Do not dream, although your outskirts are full of all kinds of dreamers, NATO planes fly over the Crimea, for example, etc.
  2. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
    Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 12: 19
    +6
    What could have happened in 2014, in 2021 against the fortified Armed Forces of Ukraine, armed with attack unmanned aircraft, will not work this way

    why? because Turkey sold one and a half drone?)
    again mriy about powerful Ukrainian Armed Forces (waffle troops of Ukraine are not capable of anything except surrender - this is a fact that has been proven - there is even video footage - if someone is not enough of Crimea and hundreds of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, over which waffles have voluntarily lowered flags)

    Even if there are half a thousand of them (5 companies), they still surrender in the same briskly as if they were just a detachment. Show a video of these waffles at this moment? Maybe the one who pressed the minus did not see this epic surrender of the Nazi animals who came to the east - to forbid people to speak Russian?

    what was the qualitative improvement in the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 6 years of war?) Russia buys 60 (sometimes 100) aircraft a year. APU of tanks and armored personnel carriers purchases less

    where is it in your head from?)

    PS the great ukroinets should not minus, but show why the wafers from the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2014 are not equal to the waffles from the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2021. These animals are only capable of hammering into milk in a millionaire - a Ukrainian city.

    This is a sad fact for the ukroarians. Because when this pissing bunch (APU) sees the Russian troops - these animals can only surrender.

    The shy girl who has passed away does not know the answers to my questions.
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 12: 29
      +9
      And the funny thing is that these animals can be defeated by stupidly stopping selling coal, electricity, fuel rods and diesel for their pissing APU through the Republic of Belarus

      Galushkin gakanat will immediately stand up with his waffle Wiisk. Viyna she is. There will be no other
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  3. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 10 February 2021 12: 29
    +2
    add to this the factor of Turkey, which has managed to squeeze Moscow out of the Transcaucasus, and now may try to cling to Ukraine.



    No comments fool
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 12: 30
      +3
      analyst from klitschko (s)
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 February 2021 12: 58
        -2
        You will first learn to write your own name without mistakes, would-be commentator. lol
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 15: 11
          +1
          So in what field are you a professional? And then your analytics from energy to database maintenance. I want to have an idea what kind of professor broadcasts on global topics and simulates the conflict between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

          Just do not complain about the comment, please answer. Did you even serve in the army? Or purely in theory?

          I want to understand where this flight of thought comes from. For a Ukrainian, this text is normal. He is so transient and far from reality, but if a person served in the army and sculpts this, I am in doubt.

          I have the right to learn about the competence of the author of HUNDREDS of enchanting articles?
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 February 2021 12: 57
      -3
      No comment fool

      Well, that would really do without comments. smile
    3. Victor_2 Offline Victor_2
      Victor_2 (Victor TE) 13 February 2021 03: 53
      +2
      We entered ... an airfield is already under construction in Karabakh ... people can live in peace and love to have children ... where Russia is, there is life ... and life goes on without moaning ...
  4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 February 2021 12: 35
    +17
    1) Mr. Marzhetsky, Russia in the Caucasus was pushed not yesterday, but during the collapse of the USSR, but Armenia, sick with Russophobia, lost Karabakh, which did not even bother to recognize as its own, this is not Russia and these countries should not be confused
    2) The United States is ready to fight until the last UKROP, as in 2008 they were ready to fight to the last rodent, but they themselves will not substitute themselves for Russian missiles, even Biden and Parkenson are not capable of that.
    3) And it is not necessary to scare the Russian Federation with thugs from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are not the same as in 2014 ... So after all, we also have 2-3 wars behind us, and someone already has 4, so who will scare whom, for sure I know, and it will definitely not be Ukraine, which became famous only for thugs, rapists and marauders.
    4) The equipment of UKROPs has not improved since 2014, they still use the rotten legacy of the USSR, in the form of antediluvian Dryers and MiGs, and even a dozen and a half of them in a combat-ready state, no more. Air defense with outdated Soviet missiles, for which there are no native spare parts since 2008. Another attempt to make a modern tank from the T-64 is deliberately doomed to failure, and it will not work from the T-80UD either. The Drozd system, which is used in Ukraine in the USSR, was used even on the T-55 and T-62 ... The active armor of the KNIFE showed itself frankly not from the best side. You can't even talk about the Ukrainian fleet without laughing. The funny thing is that Ukrainian blokhera put him in the third place in the rating, after the Russian Federation, on the Black Sea.
    In fact, the first place is occupied by the Russian Federation, whose missiles shoot through all of Turkey and I am now not even talking about YARS, but about Caliber-M, with a range of 4500 km, about X-102, with a range of 5500 km, about Onyx-M, with a range 800 km, about the Soviet, but still actual Vulcan, with a range of 1000 km, about the Soviet, but still actual Storm, with a range of 600 km, about the usual Caliber, with a range of 3500 km, about the Kh-55 with a range of 2500 km, about X -55cm with a range of 3500 km, and Granites with a range of up to 700 km from Mediterranean can fly in ... I won't write about the classified Daggers and Zircons, but if it comes to war and they are used, even if there are only a few dozen of them ... After Russia comes Turkey, which has not the most modern, but rather large fleet. Third place, after Turkey, is occupied not by Ukraine, but by Bulgaria, which has 2 old, but quite combat-ready missile frigates, with anti-ship missiles, air defense and anti-aircraft weapons ... Next comes Romania, with 2 frigates of the Marisesti type, armed with antediluvian Soviet export missiles Termit , without SAM and PLO ... in fact, their combat capabilities are less than that of the Soviet MRK of the Ovod type. And only after Romania comes the Ukrainian fleet, which has only one ancient missile boat, under the antediluvian Soviet missiles Termit, and one patrol boat, with air defense systems and anti-aircraft missiles, but without anti-ship missiles ... After Ukraine, there are the fleets of Georgia and Abkhazia, only against them the Ukrainian fleet has chances of winning.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 February 2021 13: 08
      -5
      This is all great, but how does it relate to the essence of the question to which this article is devoted?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 February 2021 13: 19
        +11
        Well, I wrote down the points, where and in what I disagree with you and why ...
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 February 2021 14: 44
          -3
          What exactly do you disagree with? I have described three scenarios. You have described the capabilities of different types of weapons. What specific option do you disagree with? I am essentially asking the article.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 February 2021 17: 04
            +9
            Yes with everyone. There is not a single factor that would become the key to the likely victory of the UKROP in the conflict if it enters a hot phase
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2021 08: 07
              0
              In fact, I did not claim that the APU can win. You have convincingly defeated the thesis, which I did not even assert.
              I wrote about 3 options for Russia. What do you specifically disagree with?
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 February 2021 11: 31
                +4
                My opinion is unambiguous and I have expressed it more than once - Donbass should be returned to the Russian Federation
    2. Serval Offline Serval
      Serval 10 February 2021 15: 35
      +5
      Quote: Sapsan136
      And only after Romania comes the Ukrainian fleet ...

      The "fleet" of Ukraine has not been going anywhere for a long time.
      The most valuable thing that the "Ukrainian fleet" had was toilets.
      * and they were taken away by the Muscovites, and the sailors were imprisoned for 15 days for hooliganism :)
  5. Serval Offline Serval
    Serval 10 February 2021 13: 07
    +4
    On the territory of Donbass it is necessary to create an "Army for the Liberation of Ukraine"

    Oh how! The republics are downright asleep and see "How would we liberate Ukraine ..."

    No, no! There is no Ukraine in the Donbass, and there never will be.
    The Austro-Hungarian Russophobic project "Ukraine - AntiRussia" - it's time to end.

    Carthage must be destroyed

    (C)
  6. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 10 February 2021 13: 26
    -9
    It's fucking awesome to read these would-be analysts that the bell tower of our interests is beyond wars, seizures, deaths and destruction. Nothing peaceful and constructive. I am sure that 99% of those who advocate and call for war will not move their homes further than the sofa and monitor towards the military registration and enlistment office in the event of mobilization.
    1. Serval Offline Serval
      Serval 10 February 2021 13: 51
      +6
      Quote: Igor Berg
      Nothing peaceful and constructive.

      Why not? Here's to you peacefully and constructively: there is Ukraine - there are problems. No Ukraine - no problem.
      * however, maybe there will be some kind of reserve for Svidomo. Someone should repay Ukrainian debts? But this is unlikely. Romania, Hungary and Poland are just waiting for the right moment ... they will not miss their own.
    2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 February 2021 17: 07
      +8
      Banderovets = mad dog and nothing peaceful and constructive with her is possible, from the word at all. And who told you that we definitely need to take a machine gun and go and take your Bandera animals prisoner? It is enough to burn them with napalm. Making a person out of Bandera is not possible, it has been proven in the USSR!
  7. Serval Offline Serval
    Serval 10 February 2021 13: 28
    +4
    high casualties on both sides of the conflict

    Have mercy on God! What other sacrifices? Well, maybe they will smear the centurion Parasyuk on the asphalt ...
    And if we are talking about Nagorno-Karabakh, then even a blind person can see that the Russian Army occupied Karabakh without firing a single shot. Is not it so?

    And what do you think, how many hours after the start of the military operation, heavy transport aircraft of Russia will begin to land in Brovary and Zhulyany?
    * according to my calculations - 30-40 minutes.
    ps
    The reasoning should be about how many wagons it will take to transport the idiots from Kiev to the Mordovian camps. * I think 5-6 wagons will be enough.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 10 February 2021 20: 02
      +6
      Dirty Mordovia with pigs for the Kiev pigsty? let them die in their pigsty. Better to build an extra plant or a kindergarten in Mordovia.
    2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 February 2021 20: 43
      +8
      There are a lot of animals, I'm afraid even 5-6 trains will not be enough, and Mordovia is not a garbage dump, so these immediately go to the burial ground for disposal. Moreover, it is better in habitats, following the example of the Yankees, by humanitarian bombing.
    3. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
      aquarius580 11 February 2021 09: 26
      -4
      One Stinger is enough for one transport plane.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 February 2021 13: 18
        +4
        And for one of your cities, one aerial bomb with a volumetric explosion warhead is enough.
        1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
          aquarius580 11 February 2021 15: 06
          -4
          Again the couch warrior raged
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 February 2021 15: 08
            +4
            And something doesn't suit you? Go bang your head against the wall, maybe it will feel better, or get your rotten government to declare war on the Russian Federation, we'll meet at the front, (we'll discuss) which of us is right. Simplify for sim, to the beat.
  8. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 February 2021 13: 35
    +2
    Humanitarian intervention - in modern international law and practice: use of force or threat of force by a state or a group of states outside their borders without the consent of the country on whose territory force is used, and aimed at preventing or suppressing large-scale and gross violations of the fundamental rights of people who are not citizens of states carrying out humanitarian intervention.

    More attractive is a model that has never been fully implemented, where the military phase of humanitarian intervention is followed by: complete demilitarization of the country - creation of institutions of power and management without the participation of the local population - formation of the foundations of the legal regime - inclusion of the country in close financial and economic cooperation with developed societies - gradual replacement of military-political levers of economic management - gradual involvement of the local population in the management of the economy and public institutions of the restored state.

    "Now more than ever it is realized that the principle of non-interference in the internal competence of states should not be seen as a protective barrierfor which human rights are systematically violated with impunity. The fact that in various situations the UN was not able to prevent cruelty cannot be regarded as a legal or moral argument against the necessary actions to change the situation, especially when peace is threatened.
    [...] The very arguments concerning non-interference, territorial integrity and political independence of states are indisputable. However, they can be weakened by the inclusion of the provision that sovereignty, even today, gives the right to mass extermination or the beginning of systematic campaigns for the extermination or mass expulsion of civilians under the guise of suppressing a rebellion or armed uprising "
    Boutros Boutros Gali
  9. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 10 February 2021 13: 57
    -5
    The man said, the man did. Putin said they will lose their statehood, he said! But I don’t consider Putin a "man". There is little that you can say without thinking. Therefore, the author has so many options. Putin is not responsible for his words!
  10. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 10 February 2021 14: 12
    -9
    The worst scenario is if the Kremlin decides to "dance at full feet", providing military assistance only in the format of "vacationers", stating that Russia is not involved in the conflict. What could have happened in 2014, in 2021 against the fortified Armed Forces of Ukraine, armed with attack unmanned aircraft, will not work that way.

    - - Personally, I completely agree with the author of the topic ...
    - Over the past period ... - from 2014-2021 - Russia showed:
    1. The weakness and indecision of its foreign policy ... - this was especially demonstrated in the Middle East ... and especially "in relations between Russia and Turkey" .. - In Russia one can try to qualify "similar" ... as "the success of diplomacy "... - And in the" Arab world "; in the Middle East ... - "like" is considered a weakness and is not welcome anywhere ...
    2. Russia has demonstrated the weakness and unpreparedness of its army (especially the lack of professionalism of the Aerospace Forces, Navy, Air Defense) ... - when, during combat operations, the enemy (with its Air Force) from a very long distance (from an extremely long distance) ... - destroys with impunity Russian military combat aircraft ... - And the ineffective activity of Russian modern air defense systems was demonstrated ... - Destroyed Armor, "not firing the S-400" ... - When in six years of continuous useless bombing ... of some insurgents, not having real air defense ... - this whole military epic was never completed ... - Moreover ... - the hydrocarbon fields of Syria were not released ... - The result of all this ... just ... - "pshik "...
    3. The war in Karabakh showed all the backwardness of the Russian army and all its inability to conduct hostilities in the conditions of a modern war ... - Russian soldiers could have ended up in the place of the Karabakh army; but, in fact ... nothing new and our military forces could not "propose" there .... - A Russian military helicopter purposefully shot down by the enemies over the territory of Armenia ...; the absence of a Russian UAV fleet (and all the paraphernalia associated with the conduct of hostilities with the use of UAVs) ... - all this does not speak in favor of our Armed Forces ...
    - Well, and all this today can be "duplicated" in the LPNR ... - So ... - there is no reason for "another optimism" ... - Next in line again ... - "another heroism" ...
    1. Serval Offline Serval
      Serval 10 February 2021 14: 31
      +4
      Quote: gorenina91
      Next in line again ...

      Let me tell you a secret, dear Irina, next in line is the completion of the construction of the SP-2.
      I think we can do it before summer. And after that, the conversation with Ukraine will be completely different.

      Everything has its time. Beauty! :)
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 10 February 2021 15: 31
        -5
        next in line is the completion of construction of SP-2.
        I think we can do it before summer. And after that, the conversation with Ukraine will be completely different.

        -Oh well :

        The hopes of young men are nourished, Joy is given to the elders

        - And what ... Ukraine ??? - Is she ... - really so powerful ??? - Or is it Russia itself who made her so powerful ... - so powerful that she herself cannot cope with it today ... -Hahah ... - It's as if ... - suddenly Biden would say: "Here we will "push" Trump; and then, God willing ... - and we will manage the "mighty" Panama !!! "...

        next in line - completion of construction of SP-2

        - Yes, this SP-2 will create such problems for Russia that .....................
        - It's like ... like the S-300 or the S-400 ... - you need to "be able to shoot" with them; have a whole debugged control system; data preparation; perfectly trained operators; a whole system of correction, etc. ... and so on ...
        - And everyone is like parrots ... SP-2; SP-2 ...
        - S-300 and S-400 have been "shot" a lot ... - the poor things are still standing - "opening their mouths" ... - no one allows them to shoot ... - not a single shot ...
        - So this SP-2 ... - will stand ... - and no one will allow him a single "shot" ... - And Russia itself will never dare to "shoot" using SP-2 ... - since afraid of everyone, obeying everyone and adjusting to everyone ...
        1. Serval Offline Serval
          Serval 10 February 2021 15: 48
          +2
          Quote: gorenina91
          - So this SP-2 ... - will stand ...

          And here the matter is simple:
          Russia will offer Europe gas from SP-2 for 3 rubles, or from a pipe coming out for 5 rubles.
          Guess what the Europeans will choose? smile
          1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
            gorenina91 (Irina) 10 February 2021 16: 02
            -5
            Russia will offer Europe gas from SP-2 for 3 rubles. Or from the pipe coming out for 5 rubles.

            - Well, you just smile at me ...
            - Yes, Europe (the European Court and other European crap) will award Russia a fine ... mmmm ... $ 1.5-3 billion ... for disruption and "untimely supply of Russian gas"; for "incomplete volume of Russian supply"; for numerous violations of "environmental standards" ... - but just because

            You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat

            - This is from the fable of I.A.Krylov "The Wolf and the Lamb" ... - Hahah ...
            - And at the same time, Europe will also demand from Russia that Russia continues to supply its gas through Ukraine ... - and even at a set price ...
            - And where will Russia go ???
            - Russia has put itself in the position of a loser; which today everyone can dictate ...
            - And today what is left for Russia to do ... - just write to Sportloto ...
            1. Serval Offline Serval
              Serval 10 February 2021 16: 17
              +2
              Quote: gorenina91
              Europe will also demand from Russia that Russia continues to supply its gas through Ukraine ... - and even at a fixed price ...

              Oh, how!
              Irochka, you think like a graduate of the "Noble Maidens Boarding School" ...
              .... "Oh, I did not know that from this there are children .." smile

              * however, it will not be long (3-4 months).
              As Mykola Azarov used to say: "The rat blowjob is lower." smile
              ps
              Transit through the pipe coming out, of course, will remain (for example, to Hungary) .. so to speak, to maintain the pants .. smile
              1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 16: 43
                0
                propose to argue for money on the completion of SP2. They will be washed away like water in a toilet)
                How many times have I not suggested here on the site - wet body movements began

                When they grimace and pretend that they do not believe in the completion of SP2, they are just flirting)
    2. Leader_2 Offline Leader_2
      Leader_2 (Visarion the Iron) 10 February 2021 19: 33
      +6
      Who is this rotten bullshit for? Everything is upside down. What are the lost planes from a distance? Why would Russia have to fight for Karabakh if ​​this is not the territory of Armenia, they themselves did not recognize this region. Nevertheless, Karabakh is now under Russian control. You at least read the official assessments of the Russian army by the Pentagon and NATO. For some reason, they have completely different assessments from yours. No matter how your ratings mislead your curators Svidomo. It will cost Ukraine dearly.
  11. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 10 February 2021 15: 30
    -2
    Quote: Alexander P
    So in what field are you a professional? And then your analytics from energy to database maintenance. I want to have an idea what kind of professor broadcasts on global topics and simulates the conflict between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

    I am a professional in law and journalism. The definition of journalism is as follows:

    Journalism (from the French journaliste ← journal ← lat. Diurnalis, diurnale "daily news, news") - activities for the collection, processing and dissemination of information using the media (Internet, print, radio, television, cinema, etc.)
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 15: 41
      0
      not hundreds, but thousands of articles, my foe

      it would be better if she was alone and worthy. which describes the defeat of the Ukrainian army without the introduction of the RF Armed Forces by means of a remote strike on headquarters and communication centers using missile weapons.

      I would describe the possibilities of Russia to disrupt the logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. How long will the general headquarters of the Ukrainian army stand in the event of the start of a database, what will these waffles do in the field without communication and orders?

      In general, I read about UAVs (clowning), but not about logistics and remote strikes.
    2. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 15: 57
      +1
      Today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not at all the confused guys they were in 2014. The Ukrainian army has increased its strength, increased the level of training and organization, and received new types of weapons.

      there are no more competent people in the site's asset not to read this water? At least who has an idea about the army not on YouTube?

      How did you increase the number? Having pulled up the birdies in the tenth wave of mobilization? How did you improve the level of personnel training? What are the new samples and how many? What was put into serial production? How much did the Ukrainian army receive THIS UNKNOWN WEAPON?

      I can go through the entire article like this paragraph. So let's get started.

      The second scenario assumes the direct involvement of the Russian army to protect Donbass and our fellow citizens who live there. Only by using its capabilities at full capacity, it will be guaranteed to stop and drive back the APU

      WHY?)) What is apparent power? Is this nuclear weapons or Iskander enough? Full power - is it flying all aircraft? We have more aircraft than in Ukraine driving tanks. What do you mean by full power?

      add to this the factor of Turkey, which managed to squeeze Moscow in the Transcaucasus

      as?? where did the Russian army go from ?? Where is the position where we stood and where did we leave because of Turkey?

      Oh, these journalists. I wish I had read Rogozin. Like a journalist too, but he won't write such game)
      1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
        Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 16: 08
        +2
        The demarcation line will significantly advance, victory will be celebrated in Kiev, as well as preparing for a new, final round of the war. See Nagorno-Karabakh.

        journalist, well, you give. Will they celebrate the victory in Kiev? Are there any examples of the victories of the Ukrainian army? When you painted these mriyas, what did you rely on? Reality?

        In reality: the Ukrainian Armed Forces surrendered without a fight after seeing the Russian army in Crimea, and since then none of these animals dared even shoot a pistol in the direction of Crimea

        In reality, half a thousand Ukrainian warriors surrendered on the border with Russia and requested a corridor so that they would not be cut out by the DPR and LPR corps.

        You again confused the army of Ukraine, which did not have victories - with the corps - which boiled this viysko in boilers - gaining experience while the Ukrainians were gaining snot and tactically retreating. Maybe I don’t know about any other experience of the APU?

        You would still have written here for the victory of the Ukrainian army at the AIRPORT.

        But there are no victories. Victories, new weapons and competence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine invented the consciousness of a journalist
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 February 2021 17: 07
          +3
          and in the comment that was removed - there were my questions about COMMUNICATION and LOGISTICS. Where will the Ukrainian army be without communications and ways of delivering fuel and lubricants and other things?

          How long will a Kharkov plant (or any other) be able to drive equipment to the ATO during an armed conflict with the Russian Federation?

          How long will there be electricity in Ukraine and Kiev in the case of an OBD with the RF Armed Forces?

          How long do you think the Ukrainian army will have a connection? How long will the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stand in Kiev at the start of a database with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

          How far will the Ukrainian Wiisko go without control?
    3. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 February 2021 19: 17
      +4
      Dear Mr. Marzhetsky, I must disappoint you.
      You are quite right to have noticed that you are a journalist. But analytics is not taught in journalism. And not even in jurisprudence. You can submit the material, thank you very much for that. I have already noted this earlier. Not everyone has the ability to sift through the entire body of information. But analytics and forecasting are a little different. I would even say that the forecast is anti-journalism.
      First, one cannot even compare Donbass and Nagorno-Karabakh. These are completely incomparable things. Even for goals.
      Second - from the point of view of geopolitics, the division of Ukraine (up to Crimea and Odessa, according to you) is a defeat for Russia. The most that Russia can go to on the Ukrainian issue is the loss of the western regions. From the point of view of geopolitics, Russia's interest lies in a single, indivisible Ukraine (Crimea is not discussed). Non-aligned and neutral. If this is achieved, then Russia's victory will be complete. In the meantime, the score is drawn.
      1. Serval Offline Serval
        Serval 10 February 2021 20: 00
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        Russia's interest lies in a single indivisible Ukraine

        Are you offering us "friendly and neutral Ukraine 2.0"?

        There is no friendly and neutral Ukraine, and there cannot be.
        Either a naive teenager or a hidden enemy can suggest this.
        Russia has already stepped on this rake. The second time, no one will step on the same rake.

        It is time to complete the Russophobic Austro-Hungarian project "Ukraine - AntiRussia"
        and to recognize "Ukrainians" as a hostile anti-Russian ideology.

        Carthage must be destroyed!
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 February 2021 20: 27
          +1
          You propose to liquidate the Ukraine project. It is unlikely that this will succeed.
          Yes, of course the Ukraine project was created as an anti-Russia. But who in real life will allow to destroy the state? So far, this has only been possible with regard to Yugoslavia. But there were serious uncles with big clubs. Now these same uncles will take the side of Ukraine.
          So the elimination of anti-Russia is possible only in the case of a competent policy.
          For some reason, emotions obscure the mind. For example, there was one small wild field within the Russian Federation. It was called Chechnya. How do you imagine a large wild field right on the border of Russia?
          The project of dividing Ukraine along the Dnieper will not work either. This means bringing enemy troops hundreds of kilometers to the borders of Russia.
          Pump up the situation ....
          1. Serval Offline Serval
            Serval 11 February 2021 01: 59
            -1
            Quote: Bakht
            Yes, of course the Ukraine project was created as an anti-Russia. But who in real life will allow to destroy the state?

            So Czechoslovakia was peacefully divided into two states - the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
            And nobody asked permission. So Czechoslovakia was destroyed.
            Quiet, peaceful and, of course, without bloodshed.
            ps
            And there is no need to frighten us with sanctions, a wild field and a big uncle with a club.
            We have our own club. smile
            *****
            By the way, American transport "Hercules" twice landed at the airport in Kharkov.
            And then the Igloo was found near the airport. Maybe she was just lying there, or maybe she was waiting for the 3rd "Hercules" ......
            In general, my uncle with a truncheon did not want to sit down at the Kharkiv airport. smile
          2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 13
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            The project of dividing Ukraine along the Dnieper will not work either. This means bringing enemy troops hundreds of kilometers to the borders of Russia.
            Pump up the situation ....

            I have been pumping the situation since February 2014. You don't need to teach me and give me advice, okay?
      2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 10 February 2021 20: 11
        +2
        united, indivisible, non-aligned and neutral, it can be dead. And the dead do not betray and do not ask to eat laughing and this is a significant savings ...
      3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2021 07: 56
        -2
        Quote: Bakht
        Dear Mr. Marzhetsky, I must disappoint you.
        You are quite right to have noticed that you are a journalist. But analytics is not taught in journalism. And not even in jurisprudence. You can submit the material, thank you very much for that. I have already noted this earlier. Not everyone has the ability to sift through the entire body of information. But analytics and forecasting are a little different. I would even say that the forecast is anti-journalism.

        Excuse me, did you graduate from journalism or law school to judge what they teach there? And do you not allow the possibility of self-education? smile You have not upset me at all.

        Second - from the point of view of geopolitics, the division of Ukraine (up to Crimea and Odessa, according to you) is a defeat for Russia. The most that Russia can go to on the Ukrainian issue is the loss of the western regions. From the point of view of geopolitics, Russia's interest lies in a single, indivisible Ukraine (Crimea is not discussed). Non-aligned and neutral. If this is achieved, then Russia's victory will be complete. In the meantime, the score is drawn.

        There is no draw at the moment. Now there is the fact of Russia's complete defeat. The described third scenario changes the situation in a positive direction and is the basis for further actions in relation to the rest of Ukraine. I don't see any point in describing this.
      4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2021 08: 43
        -1
        Quote: Bakht
        Dear Mr. Marzhetsky, I must disappoint you.
        You are quite right to have noticed that you are a journalist. But analytics is not taught in journalism. And not even in jurisprudence. You can submit the material, thank you very much for that. I have already noted this earlier. Not everyone has the ability to sift through the entire body of information. But analytics and forecasting are a little different. I would even say that the forecast is anti-journalism.

        Also, in pursuit of a general increase in the level of education and broadening of horizons. Journalism has its own genres within itself. There are different classifications:
        Information journalism
        Analytical journalism

        Artistic Publicism
        ________________
        Information genres include:
        the note;
        event interview;
        reportage;
        chronicle;
        extended information;
        report;
        obituary and others.
        Analytical genres
        correspondence;
        a comment;
        article;
        letter;
        review;
        conversation;
        experiment;
        rating;
        article-list;
        overview;

        memoirs and others.

        P.S. This is to the question of what is taught or not taught at the Faculty of Journalism, whether I have the right to collect, analyze some information and make some predictions on its basis or not. hi
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 February 2021 09: 08
          +3
          I do not exclude the possibility of self-education. On the contrary, as they say, the best education is self-education. But now your analyst is guilty of inaccuracies. Although you have repeatedly said that your predictions are correct, I noticed the opposite. Your forecasts and estimates are often completely wrong.
          For example. On this website I was strenuously convinced that in Nagorno-Karabakh, Azerbaijan used mercenaries from Syria. At a recent PACE meeting, the German Foreign Minister said that "there are absolutely no facts that Azerbaijan used mercenaries." And yesterday there was a message that another mercenary was convicted in Azerbaijan. An Azerbaijani fought in Syria, received a term.
          In your article you compared Donbass with Nagorno-Karabakh. This is a complete discrepancy. Well, I don't see anything about the "complete defeat of Russia". Complete defeat will be if events go according to your scenario.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 12
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            I do not exclude the possibility of self-education. On the contrary, as they say, the best education is self-education. But now your analyst is guilty of inaccuracies. Although you have repeatedly said that your predictions are correct, I noticed the opposite. Your forecasts and estimates are often completely wrong.
            For example. On this website I was strenuously convinced that in Nagorno-Karabakh, Azerbaijan used mercenaries from Syria. At a recent PACE meeting, the German Foreign Minister said that "there are absolutely no facts that Azerbaijan used mercenaries." And yesterday there was a message that another mercenary was convicted in Azerbaijan. An Azerbaijani fought in Syria, received a term.

            First, I have never claimed that ALL of my predictions are correct. This is not so, I am human, I can be wrong. But I'm not mistaken as often as you think.
            Secondly, I compared Karabakh and Donbass not in essence, but in form. It is you who are already substituting concepts.
            Third, since when did the German Foreign Ministry become the ultimate truth? That is, when they say that Navalny was persecuted by "Novichok", one should not believe this, and when they say that there were no mercenaries in Karabakh, one should recklessly believe this. So?

            Well, I don't see anything about the "complete defeat of Russia". Complete defeat will be if events go according to your scenario.

            This is because you are not sitting in a Russian trench, but in an Azerbaijani one.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 08: 44
              +1
              Only about the mercenaries. I don't really believe in Western media. But in this case, a specific discussion of the issue took place in PACE.
              And not a single person could cite a single reliable fact.
              I am sitting in a neutral trench. The "Azerbaijani trench" has already closed.
            2. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 10: 04
              +1
              Once again about who occupies what position. It seems to me that Rostislav Ishchenko hardly takes a pro-Ukrainian or pro-Azerbaijani position. Just be aware that there are opinions other than yours. And they are much better reasoned.

              http://www.odnako.org/almanac/material/perspektivi-novorossii/

              Two conclusions from the article. Personally, that's exactly what it seems to me
              1. Russia needs Ukraine as a whole, not New Russia.
              2. Russians and Ukrainians are not one people. It is necessary to re-russify Ukraine.
    4. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 10 February 2021 20: 06
      +2
      So tell the author that journalism is ctrl + c and ctrl + v laughing the main thing is to add a loud headline and controversy in the comments.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2021 08: 01
        -2
        Quote: Just Cat
        So tell the author that journalism is ctrl + c and ctrl + v, the main thing is to add a loud headline and controversy in the comments.

        You talk about what you don't know and don't understand. smile
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 11 February 2021 09: 51
          0
          The main thing is that I do not suffer from a Sense of My Own Greatness .... And about your competence and accuracy of forecasts, I completely agree with your opponents. I remember you even tried to prove something to the editor-in-chief, but to no avail laughing Apparently you raise the site's rating thanks to the discussions under your "masterpieces" .... for this, you, along with Volkonsky and Tarasenko, are kept here. Kristallovich does not stoop to your level in discussions. Answers briefly and to the point, without blurry quotes from Mark Twain and insults.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 08
            0
            Quote: Just Cat
            And about your competence and accuracy of forecasts, I completely agree with your opponents. I remember you even tried to prove something to the editor-in-chief, but to no avail

            It seems to me that I have stated my position in the dispute with the chief editor very clearly and reasonably. The fact that he remained with his opinion, and I with mine, is his right, and I have no purpose to convince him. He has his own head on his shoulders, I have mine. So what about "failure" you bent.
            As for the insults, I didn’t even start it, although I really want to with some of the characters. hi And it is not for you to judge my "level" of competence.
  12. Yuri Duk Offline Yuri Duk
    Yuri Duk (yuri duk) 10 February 2021 19: 16
    +2
    It was necessary to determine a strict deadline for the implementation of the Minsk agreements, in case of failure by Ukraine, to recognize the LPNR and conclude agreements with them. And you should have seen how Kiev danced ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 10 February 2021 20: 24
      +1
      Where is LDNR supplied for gas, electricity and water? Will all this be brought in white KAMAZ vehicles in case of recognition? first, let the Ukrainians sell their kidneys (both) for the restoration of Donbass.
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 February 2021 20: 29
      +2
      I'll tell you how "Kiev will dance". It's elementary. Kiev will immediately request military assistance from the West and the West will gladly and legally deploy its strike forces 200-300 km from Moscow. It's easy as an option.
      1. Serval Offline Serval
        Serval 10 February 2021 21: 05
        0
        Quote: Bakht
        Kiev will immediately request military assistance from the West

        So Kiev has already requested. So what?
        If the West wanted to fight for Ukraine, it would have been accepted into NATO long ago.
        Well, at least to the European Union ...
        But the West made it clear: "We will give the weapon, but to fight for Ukraine is a fig."
        And instead of the European Union - a donut hole.

        * ah yes, did the "holy Javelins" help Ukraine a lot?
        And the West is in no hurry to build military bases in Ukraine.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 February 2021 21: 28
          +1
          Just do not confuse the admission to NATO and the supply of weapons (on the one hand) with help in repelling aggression from aggressive Russia (on the other hand).
          Simple. The entry of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine is a direct aggression, and not even confirmed by the will of the people. The Crimea option won't work here.
          There are only two options (well, in any case, I see only two).
          The first is what I wrote about in my comments - humanitarian intervention in the event of unleashing hostilities from Kiev. But there will be strong resistance in the UN and other EUs.
          The second option has also been registered for a long time. This is the liberation of Ukraine by the forces of the DPR-LPR. But the resources of the two regions are clearly not enough for this. This is possible only with the active support of at least half of the population of Ukraine. Is there such support? This should be asked from those who know the situation on the spot.
          Salvation of drowning people is the work of drowning people themselves.
          The partition of Ukraine, the transfer of half of the country to Hungary, Poland (there also the Romanians and Czechs will catch up) is the defeat of the Russian Federation. And notice all these countries for some reason are members of NATO. Russia will receive another NATO expansion to the East even without the admission of new members.

          Either a naive teenager or a hidden enemy can suggest this.
          1. Serval Offline Serval
            Serval 11 February 2021 02: 10
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            The partition of Ukraine, the transfer of half of the country to Hungary, Poland (there also the Romanians and the Czechs will catch up) is the defeat of the Russian Federation.

            In fact, the division (disintegration) of Ukraine has already taken place: it is already without Crimea and without Donbass. And this process is not yet complete.
            But there is no need to rush, in this I agree with you. Everything has its time.
          2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2021 08: 36
            -2
            Quote: Bakht
            The partition of Ukraine, the transfer of half of the country to Hungary, Poland (there also the Romanians and Czechs will catch up) is the defeat of the Russian Federation. And notice all these countries for some reason are members of NATO. Russia will receive another NATO expansion to the East even without the admission of new members.

            Either a naive teenager or a hidden enemy can suggest this.

            Sorry, now ALL Ukraine is asking for NATO membership. She will at least receive the status of a partner. with all that it implies. And you say something there about naivety and hidden enemies?
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 February 2021 09: 10
              +1
              What are the consequences of partner status? This is a quote about naivety and hidden enemies.
  13. Serval Offline Serval
    Serval 10 February 2021 20: 26
    0
    and for Nezalezhnaya itself - “The Committee for the Salvation of Ukraine.

    Better to call it "The Government of Ukraine in Exile".
    He belongs in London (the Poles won't let him lie).
  14. Serval Offline Serval
    Serval 10 February 2021 20: 40
    0
    Today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not at all the confused guys that were in 2014

    Yes, yes .. downright cute naive boys .. And the fact that in 2014 they killed old women and children of Donbass - has the author already forgotten? The bombing of Lugansk, burned alive in Odessa, the torture "library" in Mariupol ... Their crimes are countless!

    They are scoundrels and war criminals. The Tribunal in Donetsk is waiting for them!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 10 February 2021 20: 52
      +1
      no need to bring before the tribunal ... how many pigs do not read a prayer and she will not become "halal" ... quietly and into a hole ...
  15. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 10 February 2021 21: 15
    +2
    If the operation is carried out correctly, you can achieve military objectives with minimal losses. After all, it is not necessary to shove a fortified Ukrainian group on the forehead. It is possible to strike from the North and from the South, encircle and compel to peace in a very short time. And if their aviation can be eliminated immediately, which is quite realistic, then landing directly into the capital and Vladimir Alexandrovich under white ruchenki and in Matrosskaya Tishina! And there will be sanctions anyway! Even if there is no fighting. So being afraid of them, it's like the sunrise.
    1. Serval Offline Serval
      Serval 10 February 2021 21: 24
      0
      Well, guys, I was forbidden to leave comments on this site.
      True, they did not write why .. but I guess ..
      * strange .. for some reason I see this message.
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 10 February 2021 23: 29
        0
        Well, guys, I was forbidden to leave comments on this site.
        True, they did not write why .. but I guess ..
        * strange .. for some reason I see this message.

        Do not pay attention, such a trick.
        You just tried editing the post after the temporary checkbox.
        Himself at one time slightly went nuts ...
        1. Serval Offline Serval
          Serval 11 February 2021 00: 41
          0
          Ulysses (Alexey), Thank you. Indeed, a strange "trick". Let's see .. smile
    2. Serval Offline Serval
      Serval 10 February 2021 21: 35
      0
      Quote: indifferent
      If the operation is carried out correctly, you can achieve military objectives with minimal losses. After all, it is not necessary to shove a fortified Ukrainian group on the forehead.

      Quite right. Not a single tank-hazardous direction, neither from the direction of Kharkov, nor from the direction of Perekop, is covered by anything. There are simply no troops there. But the authors of military scenarios will never guess that it is necessary to attack not where there are many enemy troops, but where they are few ... or not at all.
  16. Tezcatlipoca Offline Tezcatlipoca
    Tezcatlipoca (Alexander) 10 February 2021 21: 27
    +1
    Blood and losses are inevitable in such scenarios. Maybe it makes sense to look for other scenarios?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2021 08: 00
      -1
      Which for example?
      1. Tezcatlipoca Offline Tezcatlipoca
        Tezcatlipoca (Alexander) 11 February 2021 11: 39
        0
        Azhli I am a prophet :) Ask Pereslegin, or at least Manoilo :) They will throw you a lot of bloodless scenarios.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 03
          0
          Boltology. I myself will throw in a bunch of options if necessary, but these are all wet fantasies. The (almost) bloodless option was only from February to May 2014. Only the bloody ones remained.
          1. Tezcatlipoca Offline Tezcatlipoca
            Tezcatlipoca (Alexander) 13 February 2021 23: 41
            0
            Sergey - what a bloodthirsty you are :) Can you, for example, exchange Ukraine for something you need for ov- is not an option? And you write - work made a man out of a monkey and will help you :)
  17. Alexander Veniaminovich (Alexander) 10 February 2021 22: 01
    -2
    The topic has not been disclosed, and the main thing cannot be fully disclosed, no one really can explain what happened in April 2014 when a Swiss flew in, I do not remember the name of Putin for negotiations and he left the office terrified, trembling with fear. And after that, he canceled his absolutely correct and only decision at that time on the introduction of troops into Ukraine, which had already been agreed by the Federation Council. What happened after that, all the events of the sanctions were a half-frozen conflict in Donbas, Syria. The conflict with Europe, a sharp increase in NATO troops on our borders, the deterioration of the economic situation, the collapse of the ruble, all these are the consequences of an incorrectly made forced decision. THIS decision to cancel his own order and curtailment of the Novorosiya project is the main secret of this bloody Ukrainian epic, but the denouement is already close, and if Putin does not fight for the Russian world in Donbas, then the West holds him tightly for a causal place and he cannot escape from these clutches. After all, it is absolutely incomprehensible why the Russian troops entered Syria and whose interests they are protecting there are clearly not the interests of Russia. We do not know exactly how the Russian government is arranged, we do not understand the real behind-the-scenes springs and levers, but the fact that Putin is very limited in his actions and clearly cannot do anything about it can be seen very well.
    It is amazing that the scribblers on the Internet essentially do not know anything. How everything actually works and who is the director of the performances being played is taken to judge the scenarios in Donbass.
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 10 February 2021 23: 33
      +1
      no one really can explain what happened in April 2014 when a Swiss flew in, I don’t remember the last name to Putin for negotiations and he left the office terrified, trembling with fear. And after that, he canceled his absolutely correct and only decision at that time on the introduction of troops into Ukraine, which had already been agreed by the Federation Council.

      It is difficult to explain what was not. No.
      1. Alexander Veniaminovich (Alexander) 13 February 2021 23: 28
        -1
        the problem is what happened
  18. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 11 February 2021 00: 06
    +3
    First, the "Minsk Agreement" did not produce any results, and the process of "honorable surrender" of the LPNR back to Ukraine on the terms of the Kremlin came to a complete dead end.

    The Minsk agreements did not imply "Honorable surrender" LDNR back to Ukraine on the terms of the Kremlin "
    The statement is sucked from the left toe.

    Secondly, the six-week war in Nagorno-Karabakh demonstrated that the lost territories can be returned by military means, it is enough just to prepare well, choose the right time and find the right ally who will change the balance of power.

    8.08.08. Georgia's war against South Ossetia.
    Prepared, chose the right time (Olympic Games), the ally was nowhere better.
    Ogrёb tie-eater to the tonsils.

    Thirdly, Democrat Joe Biden, one of the inspirers of the "Ukrainian miracle", returned to the White House in triumph

    Old senile Biden hardly remembers what is going on in his family.
    He does not determine US foreign policy.
    It doesn't define anything at all ...

    Fourthly, let's add to this the factor of Turkey, which managed to squeeze Moscow in the Transcaucasus,

    It pushed it so hard that the Russian troops ended up in Karabakh without a single shot.
    Sultan Erdogan was invited to a parade in Baku as a consolation prize. laughing

    Fifth, it should be mentioned that Russia's relations with the West have deteriorated even more than they were seven years ago.

    The case when it really doesn't matter ...

    PS In my opinion, Mr. Marzhetsky scattered the entire article on his knee solely for the sake of the last point ..
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2021 07: 58
      -1
      The Minsk agreements did not imply an "honorable surrender" of the LDNR back to Ukraine on the terms of the Kremlin "
      The statement is sucked from the left toe.

      Have you read them at all? I am. It directly says about the transfer of the border to the APU.

      Quote: Ulysses
      PS In my opinion, Mr. Marzhetsky scattered the entire article on his knee solely for the sake of the last point ..

      Bullshit. wassat
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 February 2021 09: 13
        +2
        Yes, it says about the transfer of borders to the APU. And what is written BEFORE this point, have you read? And why the border was never passed?
        The Minsk Agreements say that Donbass is part of Ukraine. This is exactly what I am talking about "one indivisible Ukraine". This is the Kremlin's task. But with some conditions.
        And you propose to divide Ukraine and bring NATO closer to the borders of the Russian Federation for hundreds of kilometers.
        1. Serval Offline Serval
          Serval 11 February 2021 15: 52
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          Quote: Bakht
          "one indivisible Ukraine". This is the Kremlin's task.

          It's good that the Kremlin doesn't know about it. In the coffin we saw one and indivisible.
          And to drive the territories breaking away from it into Ukraine is in no way included in the task of Russia.

          Quote: Bakht
          And you propose to divide Ukraine and bring NATO closer to the borders of the Russian Federation for hundreds of kilometers.

          I will tell you a secret that NATO is closest to Russia in the Kaliningrad region.
          And there is nothing to move or move. And your proposals are very reminiscent of the demagogic statement: "We do not need Donbass, we need all of Ukraine .."
          Yeah. Downright, "We don't need to take Berlin, we need all of Germany .."

          In general, a donut hole for you, not Donbass. Don't dream.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 19
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            Quote: SerVal
            And your proposals are very much reminiscent of the demagogic statement: "We do not need Donbass, we need all of Ukraine .."
            Yeah. Downright, "We don't need to take Berlin, we need all of Germany .."

            Bakhtiyar is allegedly in pro-Russian positions in his Azerbaijan, but in fact, in this matter, he is drowning against the interests of Russia.
            "All Ukraine" if needed, would have been taken long ago. All this is demagoguery and "sly planning".
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 February 2021 08: 46
              +1
              Do you take pro-Russian positions? According to your scenario, who will get Kiev? Will go to Poland? Will there be a border along the Dnieper?
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 02
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          Quote: Bakht
          The Minsk Agreements say that Donbass is part of Ukraine. This is exactly what I am talking about "one indivisible Ukraine". This is the Kremlin's task. But with some conditions.
          And you propose to divide Ukraine and bring NATO closer to the borders of the Russian Federation for hundreds of kilometers.

          The Constitution of Ukraine says that the country has set the goal of joining NATO. ALL Ukraine. A NATO base is ALREADY BEING BUILT in Ochakovo.
          As option 3, I voiced the possibility of reversing this trend by pushing NATO borders further to the west.
          You just turn everything upside down.
      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 11 February 2021 22: 48
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        Have you read them at all? I am. It directly says about the transfer of the border to the APU.

        The last point, after the implementation of the remaining agreements.
        That for Ukraine no longer mattered after the implementation of the remaining agreements.
        Read carefully, you will not make hasty conclusions ..
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 21
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          Quote: Ulysses
          The last point, after the implementation of the remaining agreements.
          That for Ukraine no longer mattered after the implementation of the remaining agreements.

          That is, there is still a transfer?
          And where does the conclusion come from that for her it "did not matter"? After the border is transferred, everything that happens there will be Ukraine's internal affair.
  19. Alexander Zima Offline Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima (Alexander Zima) 11 February 2021 10: 19
    0
    The armies of the Russian Federation and Ukraine in reality .. just did not fight ..... volunteers fought ... on both sides ... but is there any point in fighting the Army ... and dying for American henchmen .. Rozumkov should have asked the army .. and then suddenly 70% will run over to the side of the Russian Federation as in the Crimea ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 11 February 2021 10: 36
      0
      They ran across for salaries and not out of love for Russia. And now they use Ukrainian visa-free travel with Russian salaries using their Ukrainian passports. Common parasites.
  20. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 11 February 2021 15: 17
    +1
    In the first half hour, the entire command and control staff, as well as the decision-making center, i.e. the state embassy together with the SBU. Let's see further.
    1. Serval Offline Serval
      Serval 11 February 2021 16: 18
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      Quote: Tektor
      In the first half hour, the entire command and leadership staff, as well as the decision-making center will be destroyed

      Isn't it easier to announce a reward of 100 thousand hryuven for each captured general's coming out? And throw leaflets to Kiev. I think half the generals will not make it to the General Staff. And the other half will barricade themselves at home and wait for the Russian army ... smile
      1. Tektor Offline Tektor
        Tektor (Tektor) 11 February 2021 16: 20
        +1
        Thought is rich, fertile, efficient. I like.
        1. Serval Offline Serval
          Serval 11 February 2021 16: 24
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          It is possible to throw something for the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada. smile
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 11 February 2021 17: 17
            +1
            what's the point? Stumps any crest and he will turn out to be a potential genius, if not a general or a deputy. a Ukrainian will not be Ukrainian if he does not rush to the trough and power ...
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  22. Valery Valeriev Offline Valery Valeriev
    Valery Valeriev (Valery Valeriev) 11 February 2021 21: 10
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    Poor conspiracy theories. I have a low opinion of the intelligence and military power of the so-called state of Ukraine, but they are not such stupid people to start a direct confrontation with Russia. What nonsense, what kind of aviation and drones are in Ukraine? zhmererinskaya glad understand very well that they will be shot from near Voronezh in a matter of minutes. And on the street there will be abandoned bandits, marauders, murderers, rapists, and other scum, whom this glad released from prisons, promising to give them Donbass to plunder. Then they warmed their hands decently, but they lost a lot of bad heads. The second time they did not stick in there, and the army would end its existence with a massive, solemn transition to the side of the Russian state. Of course there will be opponents, but how many are there? And what experience, opportunities, does the Russian army have to destroy such nits? That's right, huge.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 February 2021 08: 23
      0
      Quote: Valery Valeriev
      Poor conspiracy theories. I have a low opinion of the intelligence and military power of the so-called state of Ukraine, but they are not such stupid people to start a direct confrontation with Russia. What nonsense, what kind of aviation and drones are in Ukraine?

      Tell me, when did Ukraine manage to become a sovereign state for such decisions to be made independently in Kiev?
      Do not rush with the phrases "low-quality conspiracy theories", it is better to study the issue yourself first.
  23. Paramon Pictures (Paramon Pictures) 12 February 2021 03: 27
    0
    At least twenty more reasons, name your potential victory over the eners ...
  24. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
    Gennady1959 (Gennady) 12 February 2021 19: 28
    0
    Quote: Alexander P
    you can win stupidly by stopping selling coal, electricity, fuel rods and diesel for their pissing APU

    With your comments, you are simply hitting the financial interests of the GDP and its oligarchs.
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  26. Igor Alexandrov Offline Igor Alexandrov
    Igor Alexandrov (Igor Alexandrov) 13 February 2021 06: 40
    0
    A Ukrainian is going to the war. Mother is busy, gathering warm clothes for him, asks - where to write letters?
    Write to mom immediately at the captivity!

    PS \ The time of fools is over \
  27. Angry Citizen Offline Angry Citizen
    Angry Citizen (Evil Citizen) 15 February 2021 13: 17
    0
    I believe that the third scenario is the most possible. It is no secret that some "Committees" have already been formed on the territory of Russia, passports are already being distributed to residents of the former Ukraine, they simply do not advertise this process. The only question is the time of the beginning of the APU's aggression against the LPR. And then - the choice of the scenario.
  28. qazwsx1209 Offline qazwsx1209
    qazwsx1209 (Boris Tsikinovsky) 16 February 2021 12: 39
    0
    I have not seen a single disclosed analysis of how it turned out that Ukraine, connected with our language, culture, industrial relations, border, ended up in the hands of our opponents. Where did our special services look? Or there is already no one to watch. everyone rushed to take away the state at that time, there was no time for that. Nobody answered for that. This topic is stubbornly avoided, and from here legs grow.
  29. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 16 February 2021 20: 22
    0
    If only the Russian authorities did not repeat the betrayal again, as in 2014. We are on the sidelines, it is not profitable for us, sanctions will be announced.
  30. Glory g Offline Glory g
    Glory g 19 February 2021 15: 23
    +1
    Yes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not only incapable of any offensive, at the first danger, they will skedaddle all the way to Kiev These are not the same crazy guys as in 2014)))))) Yes, in 2014 the LDNR did not have an army at all; ... They took Slavyansk with 200 riflemen for 2 months, and by the way, they also took hell, they just broke through and left because there was nothing to fight, and if the BC had not ended, then probably the valiant APU would still be kneading shit there)))) I can remember more Lisichansk, knowing that there were no militias, the Ukrainian Armed Forces under the command of a leaky Lyashko shot him with hail, or as tanks rolled through empty Uglegorsk and hammered through empty residential buildings, knowing that there was no one in the city's basements except peacemen. But where they entered the battles, there are boilers and captive snot. The Ukrainian army, in principle, is not capable of fighting with anyone, well, of course, except for the unarmed, women and children, but also to shoot civilians from long-range artillery at home, that's all its achievements. What national heroes are these and the followers of the first side, the ancestors of the whole of Europe from the Nazis freed from the second in the forests from Vatutin hiding, who do you think will win this confrontation ???))))