MiG-31 on Novaya Zemlya can "close" not only the air from Europe, but also the sea


On the Novaya Zemlya archipelago, the flight personnel and MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors were replaced. The planes began guarding the air Arctic borders of the Russian Federation a month ago, and during the maintenance watch, not a single approach of intruders was recorded. During a month's service, the flight crew successfully worked out interceptions of a simulated enemy during training flights.


The upgraded MiG-31BM long-range interceptor fighters have been deployed on the archipelago on a permanent basis since January 16 this year, closing the northwestern part of Russia from potential threats from Europe. If modified MiG-31K carrying aeroballistic Dagger missiles are deployed on Novaya Zemlya, this direction will also be closed to enemy attacks from the sea.

Earlier, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Pacific Fleet, Admiral Sergei Avakyants, released information on the deployment of the MiG-31BM in Anadyr (Chukotka). Since 2018, strategic Tu-160 bombers have also been relocated to the peninsula during maneuvers.

Thus, Russia is closing the entrance to the Arctic from the west and east, which, of course, will be extremely unhappy with some Western "partners".
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  1. THRONE Offline THRONE
    THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 9 February 2021 13: 43
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    The dagger cannot strike ships at sea, but only ships anchored in ports.
    With the Dagger, all the fuel in half a minute goes up to the height, then it is already an ordinary warhead, nowhere in the world are warheads used against moving targets.
    The same is about Zircon, which is not capable of hitting floating ships, but only ships in ports, due to an inoperative engine in the terminal area, the Max 8 scramjet engine below 28 m does not work, after which Zircon turns into a conventional warhead.
    In order for a hypersonic rocket to fly at low altitude and subsonic, it is necessary to create a three-mode engine, today it has not been possible to create even a two-mode engine in the world.
    1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 9 February 2021 14: 10
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      Hello to all the trolls coming out to Kiev - Motor Sich is calling!
      Such wise experts are not enough for us lol
    2. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 9 February 2021 14: 30
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      due to a non-working engine in the terminal area

      Do you have access to secret weapons development? Where does this data come from?
      1. THRONE Offline THRONE
        THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 9 February 2021 14: 58
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        Patent of NPO Mashinostroyenia (developer of Zircon) for a hypersonic rocket read
        https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2579409C1/ru

        Quote from the patent:

        an engine designed to perform a hypersonic cruise flight at high altitude is not capable of continuing to work at low-altitude trajectory sections associated with a decrease in the flight number M, it follows that the rocket should approach a ground or surface target with an inoperative engine;
        1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 9 February 2021 14: 59
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          What about the second stage? Anti-ship missiles are very often supplied with it.
          1. THRONE Offline THRONE
            THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 9 February 2021 15: 19
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            The Americans are developing a dual-mode scramjet engine for their hypersonic rocket, capable of supporting the scramjet operation not only at Mach 8 hypersonic, but also at supersonic speed up to an altitude of 10000m. Due to this, such a rocket is harder to shoot down because the engine is running and it maneuvers.

            Russian scientists from NPO Mashinostroyenia could not solve this problem, as stated in the patent. Therefore, the Zircon is a conventional single-mode hypersonic missile that turns a warhead immediately.
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 February 2021 14: 37
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      The dagger cannot strike ships at sea, but only ships anchored in ports.
      With the Dagger, all the fuel in half a minute goes up to the height, then it is already an ordinary warhead, nowhere in the world are warheads used against moving targets.

      Do you think a missile is being launched from the runway? How high are you going to raise it?

      The same is about Zircon, which is not capable of hitting floating ships, but only ships in ports, due to an inoperative engine in the terminal area, the Max 8 scramjet engine below 28 m does not work, after which Zircon turns into a conventional warhead.

      I will not go into technical details because I don’t know them and I very much doubt that you know them. Or do you have security clearance and have decided to share classified information with us? winked
      To put it simply, the speed of Mach 8 is approximately 2 m / s, that is, from a height of 700 the rocket descends to sea level in 28-000 seconds. Let's assume the ship's speed is 10 knots, which is about 11 km / h or 30 m / s. How much will the ship be able to move as much as possible in those 55,5-0,27 seconds yourself, or give a link to the calculator?

      In order for a hypersonic rocket to fly at low altitude and subsonic, it is necessary to create a three-mode engine, today it has not been possible to create even a two-mode engine in the world.

      And why should she fly at low altitude and even more so at subsonic speed?
      Tell me honestly, did you just decide to be smart or are you keeping us for idiots? sad
      1. THRONE Offline THRONE
        THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 9 February 2021 15: 06
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        I explain that high atm begins in the lower atmosphere. pressure that leads to the impossibility of the hypersonic engine and braking.
        Therefore, Zircon as a rocket cannot fly below 28m, the engine turns off and Zircon turns into a warhead, which catastrophically loses speed when descending, so it descends not 000 seconds as you wrote, but more than a minute.
        Image from the patent of NPO Mashinostroyenia (developer of Zircon)

        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 9 February 2021 18: 09
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          As I understand it, the questions with the "raising" of the Dagger to the required height and the inability of the Dagger and Zircon to fly at subsonic speed have disappeared?

          I explain that high atm begins in the lower atmosphere. pressure that leads to the impossibility of the hypersonic engine and braking.
          Therefore, Zircon as a rocket cannot fly below 28m, the engine turns off and Zircon turns into a warhead, which catastrophically loses speed when descending, so it descends not 000 seconds as you wrote, but more than a minute.

          It is difficult to judge, as a non-specialist, about the features of the engine, especially without having practically any information about it. How you do this is a mystery to me.
          Of course, there is resistance in the dense layers of the atmosphere, but I doubt the speed decreases to zero. It is believed that, for example, the speed of the warheads (blocks) of ballistic missiles at the end of the trajectory is Mach 3-4. The speed of the Zircon or Dagger near the surface is unlikely to be slower. Even if we take as a basis your assumption that it is impossible to operate the engine in dense layers of the atmosphere, it will not turn off immediately as soon as the altitude drops below 28 m and will work for some time. I believe it is possible to assume that the speed of the rocket in the final section of the trajectory will be approaching Mach 000, and this is the boundary of hypersound.
          More than a minute? Do you mean the speed of free fall? But even if we imagine that your statements are correct, the rocket speed in the final section of the trajectory will still be more than Mach 3-4. Roughly speaking, this is a maximum of 20 seconds, not more than a minute.

          As for the missile controllability ... I am quoting "Supreme" about the "Dagger" ...

          maneuvers in all parts of the flight path

          I doubt that there is no such possibility on Zircon. They were able to realize this on the Dagger, but on the Zircon they were ashamed? Is this an old song about "Putin cartoons"? In my opinion, the plate is worn out to the point of impossibility. Don’t you?



          Image from the patent of NPO Mashinostroyenia (developer of Zircon)

          Wonderful good And what helped you understand this image?
          I found it in a more "readable" form, I did not see anything confirming your version there. Moreover, I very much doubt that it is Zircon in the image.
          https://doblest.club/oruzhie/89-protivokorabelnaya-raketa-cirkon
          1. THRONE Offline THRONE
            THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 9 February 2021 19: 54
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            You have been fermenting for years on hurray-patriotic forums, so you don't understand anything.
            I explain:
            1. In ballistic short-range missiles, fuel burns out in half a minute. After which the rocket turns into a warhead. And the tail unit of the BR is sufficient only for course correction, and not for maneuvering a 3,5 ton warhead. And in the discharged layers of the atmosphere, maneuvering is practically impossible because the air resistance is insufficient. For example, the Su-34 begins to lose control at an altitude above 13m.
            The word to maneuver is too pretentious, the word correction is more suitable there.
            2. A body falling from a height of approximately 28 m and a speed of Max000 will have a final impact speed of 8 Mach. But at such a speed atm. the pressure on the warhead will be enormous that it will lose any controllability or even fall apart in the air due to vibration. So Zircon will brake itself to increase controllability, which is written in the patent.
            Therefore, the Dagger and Zircon must have approximately subsonic speed to ensure accuracy. In the video footage of the test of the Dagger at the test site, the speed was about 650 km / h when hitting the bunker.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 9 February 2021 21: 09
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              You have been fermenting for years on hurray-patriotic forums, so you don't understand anything.
              I explain:

              You have been collecting donatics for Sisyan for years, and you ran to meetings, missed a lot, so you don't understand anything.
              I explain:

              In short-range ballistic missiles, fuel burns out in half a minute. After which the rocket turns into a warhead. And the tail unit of the BR is sufficient only for course correction, and not for maneuvering a 3,5 ton warhead.

              Course correction is maneuvering. Are we going to play words? sad Here's an example from the literature.

              With a frantic, frantic speed, meteoroids swept left, right, above, below, and a huge ship maneuvered in his hands, every second changing coursedodging them, sometimes at a distance of a meter.

              As far as I understand, maneuvering or changing the course of a missile is possible in three ways. Plumage, change in the thrust vector of the engine, if it is one, or by the difference in the speed of the expiration of the jet stream if there are several engines (I suppose not our case) or the use of additional shunting (correction) engines (example in the video).



              I believe that one engine is installed on the missiles under consideration, and the controlled thrust vector is a rather complex design, especially for operation at such speeds, therefore
              the second method does not suit us, so I don't see any sense in considering how much fuel there is.
              I don't see much sense in guessing which of the methods (first or third). Your opinion on the impossibility of maneuvering is based on what you consider to be conventional ballistic missiles. Are you sure this is the case? Let me explain .... The dagger is essentially a lightweight airborne Iskander. Iskander's creators claim that the rocket maneuvers throughout its flight. Give at least one reason why the Dagger cannot do the same? Yes, and Zirocon. Or do you have doubts about Iskander too?
              You were told in Russian that it maneuvers in all parts of the flight path.



              Therefore, the Dagger and Zircon must have approximately subsonic speed to ensure accuracy. In the video footage of the test of the Dagger at the test site, the speed was about 650 km / h when hitting the bunker.

              It may very well be that you are right here yes We do not know for certain. I don't see any sense in arguing and guessing on the coffee grounds about the rocket speed in the final section of the trajectory.
  2. Uneven Offline Uneven
    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 February 2021 15: 48
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    Currently, the destruction of enemy AUG for the Russian army is a big problem. First of all, the issue of target designation has not been resolved. The fact that the prodigy carriers will hardly be able to approach the distance necessary to capture a moving target cannot be mentioned.
    1. THRONE Offline THRONE
      THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 9 February 2021 16: 02
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      AUG are not carriers of nuclear weapons, otherwise they would not be able to enter foreign ports.
      Therefore, the task of destroying the AUG for the Russian Navy is not at all worth it. In addition, there are no AUG near the coast of Russia.
      It's just that patriotic publics have created hysteria around AUG, because it's a beautiful pop target.
      But one Ohio nuclear submarine has a strike potential of 1000 aircraft carriers, that's a real target.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 9 February 2021 21: 20
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        AUG are not carriers of nuclear weapons, otherwise they would not be able to enter foreign ports.

        Who told you that? The deployment of nuclear weapons on aircraft carriers and escort ships is possible; entry into ports of ships with nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons on board is regulated by separate agreements.

        Therefore, the task of destroying the AUG for the Russian Navy is not at all worth it. In addition, there are no AUG near the coast of Russia.

        Even as it stands, little has changed since the times of the USSR.

        It's just that patriotic publics have created hysteria around AUG, because it's a beautiful pop target.

        The goal of liberda is to convince us that AUG does not pose any threat and in general we are not doing that.

        But one Ohio nuclear submarine has a strike potential of 1000 aircraft carriers, that's a real target.

        Do you think this is news and they are being overlooked?
  3. alex5450 Offline alex5450
    alex5450 (Alex L) 9 February 2021 17: 20
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    The dagger is not an anti-ship missile. Unless in the nuclear version, shoot in the squares.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 February 2021 21: 21
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      The dagger is not an anti-ship missile. Unless in the nuclear version, shoot in the squares.

      Did your American friends tell you this or read it on the fence?
      1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
        alex5450 (Alex L) 9 February 2021 22: 14
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        This was told to me by Iskander, which for some reason never fired at ships (except for those at the pier), just like its predecessors. Which is not surprising with its guidance system.

        Its aviation version - "Dagger" has never demonstrated hitting a moving target, its capabilities are spoken about in rapid succession - "Where do you need to get there and it will get into the object!" )) Although it would seem what the effect would be.

        Well, and one more suggestive fact - such a super RCC should instantly devalue the traditional long-range missile systems. Here is a superwunderwolf - fast, long-range, relatively inexpensive (unification!) And irresistible. However, the fleet is still tinkering with the development of conventional aviation anti-ship missiles (X-22 family), which fly slower and much closer and the speed is lower and the weight is higher .. But Here they are doing and spending the people's money.

        And the predecessors of the "Dagger" (let me remind you this is the X-15) flew on paper like that and amazed everything much better than in real life.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 9 February 2021 22: 33
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          This was told to me by Iskander, which for some reason never fired at ships (except for those at the pier), just like its predecessors. Which is not surprising with its guidance system.

          And Iskander is not intended for this, no one claims that he can hit ships, although ... I suppose the appearance of new modifications capable of hitting ships is not far off.

          Its aviation version - "Dagger" has never demonstrated hitting a moving target, its capabilities are spoken about in rapid succession - "Where do you need to get there and it will get into the object!" )) Although it would seem what the effect would be.

          Who was not shown? You? so you all at once all your American friends will run to tell, beg for a jar of jam laughing Nobody canceled the secrecy. You can be in the dark if you are so calm.

          Well, and one more suggestive fact - such a super RCC should instantly devalue the traditional long-range missile systems. Here's a superwunderwolf - fast, long-range, relatively inexpensive (unification!) And irresistible. However, the fleet is still picking on the development of conventional aircraft anti-ship missiles (X-22 family), which fly slower and much closer, and the speed is lower and the weight is higher.

          As for the dimensions, the MiGs were specially altered for the Dagger. Learn materiel hi

          But here they do and spend the people's money.

          Are you offering to distribute to pregnant pensioners? laughing Heard already yes Yes, we spend, we have to, your American friends set the tone in this race. Try to tell them about pensioners, maybe it will be useful. There, after all, under bridges in cardboard boxes decent people live
          1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
            alex5450 (Alex L) 10 February 2021 18: 27
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            That is, it turns out that after the Iskander was suspended under the belly of the plane, it changed its purpose abruptly? And for some reason the possibilities will be expanded for him later. )

            And they didn’t show me either, as a taxpayer, and they didn’t show it to the “probable enemy” either. There is no secrecy here - or you can get in, then show, here you are. You can't, well then there is nothing to show. But you can talk. But this is more for a grateful internal audience.

            As for the dimensions, the MiGs were specially altered for the Dagger. Learn materiel

            Have I argued otherwise? Are you back for yours? You start cheerfully refuting what I did not say ...

            Are you offering to distribute to pregnant pensioners? laughing

            I suggest that you use your brains when discussing technical issues with me. But I understand that there are no more arguments.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 10 February 2021 19: 22
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              That is, it turns out that after the Iskander was suspended under the belly of the plane, it changed its purpose abruptly? And for some reason the possibilities will be expanded for him later. )

              Can you widen your ears first? Did you come up with the idea of ​​"expanding opportunities later"?

              And they didn't show me either, like a taxpayer

              I would show you as a taxpayer, but the site removes obscene gestures. Only a rare, how would it be softened .. idiot, can think that the Ministry of Defense will show him secret developments lol In housing and communal services, go to the right to download, this is your level. sad

              and they did not show it to the "probable enemy" either.

              Was it necessary? How long has it been so? These are your friends, you can show them anything. Sergei Kozhugetovich will somehow live without your advice.

              There is no secrecy here

              Have you been authorized to determine the level of secrecy?

              or you can hit, then you show, here you are. You can't, well then there is nothing to show. But you can talk. But this is more for a grateful internal audience.

              For your audience and stories about "super-duper" rockets will do.



              Have I argued otherwise? Are you back for yours? You start cheerfully refuting what I did not say ...

              I misunderstood you? You yourself wrote ...

              However, the fleet is still tinkering with the development of conventional aviation anti-ship missiles (X-22 family), which fly slower and much closer and lower speed and weight dimensions above..

              They are not suitable for the MiG-31, the "seat" had to be expanded under the Dagger. The X-22 "family" missiles are beyond his reach. By the way, your big friends Tamogavk have been poking around since 1972, go get their lives.

              I suggest that you use your brains when discussing technical issues with me. But I understand that there are no more arguments.

              Do you call these technical issues?belay I quote you:

              But here they do and spend the people's money.

              After that, you will be the last person on earth with whom I consider it necessary to discuss technical issues winked
              1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
                alex5450 (Alex L) 11 February 2021 16: 44
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                Okay, persuaded, I will not scatter the beads. Lie warm and cozy.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 11 February 2021 16: 49
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                  Okay, persuaded, I will not scatter the beads. Lie warm and cozy.

                  And that is true yes If you need it, sprinkle the houses in a circle of like-minded people.