"We Need to Use It": The Sun Readers Argue About Sputnik V Vaccine

February 6 2021 29

Visitors to the British tabloid portal The Sun discussed news that Germany may purchase the Russian Sputnik V vaccine against the backdrop of a severe crisis with the provision of Western drugs to the European Union against COVID-19.

Currently, the percentage of vaccinated people in the EU is negligible: only 2,34% of the total population of the EU received the drug, compared with 14,21% in the neighboring UK.

Reader comments are presented selectively:

As long as it is proven to be safe, I see no problem. Initially, I was skeptical about the Oxford preparation as well, but after reading how it was produced, I had no doubts. Our vaccinations are progressing faster than in the EU because we do it ourselves. The EU has pushed for supply negotiations for all member states, and this is the cause of the problem

- writes Mike.

Desperate times call for desperate measures

- echoes Bob Builder.

EU signs investment deal with China. The main EU country will buy the vaccine from Putin. This EU story will not have a happy ending

- Clarity doubts.

Great Britain not only left the EU, we also showed them as they really are. Hooligans, cowards and manipulators. Rule Britain ...

- suggested by Jonh Tunstall.

Same case as that lady from Myanmar. All former glory fades quickly towards the end of their long political life. If she can buy gas from Russia, why not get the vaccine. Yes, and Trump is no longer there to expose her unfair use of NATO membership, that is, American defense against possible Russian aggression

- states the user peter poon.

The transformation of the EU into a communist state speaks for itself

- with irony testifies to What everyone is thinking.

The Sputnik vaccine is doing well on paper, our scientists should also test its effectiveness, not play politics

- says Sunil Marcus.

We must use the Russian vaccine ...

- I agree with the previous commentator Brian Newman.

What happened to the EU's one for all and all for one strategy? I thought that the countries of the European Union are not allowed to do this alone. Perhaps Merkel will even agree to a deal to distribute the Russian vaccine in all member countries. For all the accusations that the UK was recklessly rushing to approve its own vaccine, how about the Russians rushing to release theirs before clinical trials are complete? Will Macron and his associates support this initiative? It's just another clear example of the fact that national interests are above the interests of all EU member states. And some people still think that we should be members of this crumbling non-democratic bloc!

- parses glennyshock.

Why push the Russians away? If they have been able to develop a vaccine faster than in developed countries, it should be tested and, if it turns out to be effective, added to the list! Don't play politics with people's lives

Jake Long exclaims.

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Alexzn

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6 February 2021 09: 24

Currently, the percentage of vaccinated people in the EU is negligible: only 2,34% of the total population of the EU received the drug, compared with 14,21% in the neighboring UK.

Only Russia will save Europe and the whole world! After all, Russia has already vaccinated 1 (!!!)% of its population!
Digital error

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6 February 2021 10: 01

At first I wanted to wait six months with the vaccination, but this video came across

and a week later I put "ukolchik"
1. Alexzn
  
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  6 February 2021 10: 18
  
  Good video. Especially in the part where it is noted that the Russians were so intimidated by the side effects of the Pfizer that they categorically do not want to make a satellite - for which they fought, that's why ...
  1. Oleg Osadchiy
    
    +3
    
    6 February 2021 13: 15
    
    Where did you see the intimidated Russians, in our clinic in front of the collocation center there was a queue to sign up for vaccination, until the registration was opened in the state services, 70-100 people are vaccinated a day. I asked the girls' nurses when I had my second vaccination two days ago. And everyone who stood in front of me in front of the office was over sixty, including me, three even with accompanying persons (children, grandchildren brought their parents and grandfathers with grandmothers).
  2. boriz
    
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    6 February 2021 19: 24
    
    Alexzn
    By the way, how about your massive experiment with Pfizer? Just wondering. The death curve is not impressive.
  3. Vladest
    
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    7 February 2021 22: 15
    
    Quote: AlexZN
    Good video. Especially in the part where it is noted that the Russians were so intimidated by the side effects of the Pfizer that they categorically do not want to make a satellite - for which they fought, that's why ...
    
    It would not be bad to conduct a survey among the dead from COVID19. Their opinion on vaccination. This applies to all the practice of Mankind during epidemics.
Dmitry S.

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6 February 2021 10: 34

One can argue about vaccines for a long time, but! only time shows their effectiveness, and those who do not want to do them - stupidity.
Politics and sports, politics and medicine, politics and science, politics and esotericism - does this remind anyone of anything? Me - Germany and Nazism of the 30s of the last century. I wonder why?
1. Vladest
  
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  7 February 2021 22: 18
  
  Quote: Dmitry S.
  One can argue about vaccines for a long time, but! only time shows their effectiveness, and those who do not want to do them - stupidity.
  
  After the fall, everyone will count. Even who helped whom and how much by deed, and not by words and calls. Putin at Davos was very busy with this.
Sergey Latyshev

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6 February 2021 11: 23

Yes, you can't argue.
If he himself has not been ill (and there are a lot of unregistered patients in the Russian Federation), then it is necessary for the elderly.
The effectiveness and consequences are normal - the body will grind everything ...
Oleg Osadchiy

+1

6 February 2021 12: 58

Ha ha ha, I liked:

Russia succeeded earlier than in "developed" countries.

What are the developed, deceitfulness, cynicism, fascism? Tvapi will soon burst with pride in their bestiality.
Alexzn

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6 February 2021 13: 39

Quote: Oleg Osadchiy
Where did you see the intimidated Russians, in our clinic in front of the collocation center there was a queue to sign up for vaccination, until the registration was opened in the state services, 70-100 people are vaccinated a day. I asked the girls' nurses when I had my second vaccination two days ago. And everyone who stood in front of me in front of the office was over sixty, including me, three even with accompanying persons (children, grandchildren brought their parents and grandfathers with grandmothers).

Is this how you extrapolate your experience to the problem as a whole? Then an example for you from me, I did both vaccinations a long time ago, I did not stand in the queue, I registered the vaccination time on the Internet. He came, did it in 5 minutes, sat for the prescribed 15 minutes and went home.
Is it not yet obvious to you that the Russians IN MOST are either in no hurry to do it or are not going to do it at all?
A simple question - how many Russians were vaccinated?
1. boriz
  
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  6 February 2021 19: 28
  
  There are no queues. I do not hurry. I just don't get sick. And the frosts are now, no virus will survive.
2. boriz
  
  +3
  
  6 February 2021 19: 34
  
  ... I did not stand in line, I registered the vaccination time on the Internet. He came, did it in 5 minutes, sat for the prescribed 15 minutes and went home.
  
  Another question: what about a smear (in the sense, a test)?
  1. Alexzn
    
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    6 February 2021 19: 42
    
    Why vaccination test?
    1. boriz
      
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      6 February 2021 20: 24
      
      Suddenly, the person fell ill, while asymptomatic, and you add more to him. We do this. First the test, then, if everything is fine, the vaccine.
      And if Pfizer, then even more so. A terrible vaccine. Probably by order of your pension fund (or whatever you have).
Alexzn

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6 February 2021 14: 07

Quote: Oleg Osadchiy
Ha ha ha, I liked:

Russia succeeded earlier than in "developed" countries.

What are the developed, deceitfulness, cynicism, fascism? Tvapi will soon burst with pride in their bestiality.

And they are also gayropeans and liberals!
Alexzn

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6 February 2021 16: 06

Quote: Dmitry S.
One can argue about vaccines for a long time, but! only time shows their effectiveness, and those who do not want to do them - stupidity.
Politics and sports, politics and medicine, politics and science, politics and esotericism - does this remind anyone of anything? Me - Germany and Nazism of the 30s of the last century. I wonder why?

And to me the USSR up to 70s
Alexzn

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6 February 2021 19: 56

Quote: boriz
Alexzn
By the way, how about your massive experiment with Pfizer? Just wondering. The death curve is not impressive.

The vaccine works, and new data from the Maccabi health insurance fund on vaccinated citizens prove it. Of those who received 2 doses of the vaccine, only 0,06% were infected, and the high efficiency of the drug remains. According to the digital information department of the cash register over the past day, out of 416.900 people vaccinated with two doses a week or more ago, only 254 people were infected with coronavirus, and almost all of them have mild disease. Hospitalization was required only for 4 patients, but their condition was not serious either. This became known on Friday, February 5.
It also found that a week after the second dose, the number of people infected dropped dramatically - exactly in line with Pfizer's test results. On the 8th day after the second dose, 44 people became infected, and on the 9th - only 24. But from the 22nd to the 24th day, no one became infected.
1. boriz
  
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  6 February 2021 20: 43
  
  It's just that the graphs in Russia look better. I often look at statistics on minfin.ua. For objectivity.
  https://index.minfin.com.ua/reference/coronavirus/geography/
  Maybe it's the frost, maybe it's the vaccine. Since January 11, the decline has gone.
2. Dear sofa expert.
  
  +2
  
  9 February 2021 14: 13
  
  The vaccine works, and this is proved by the new data of the Maccabi health insurance fund on vaccinated citizens. Of those who received 2 doses of the vaccine, only 0,06% were infected, and the high efficiency of the drug remains.
  
  0,06%?) Do you really believe in everything your media writes to you? Or maybe you have personal experience that would confirm the effectiveness of this vaccine?
  Here I have much less optimistic, and at the same time 100% reliable data on not such a high efficiency of this vaccine.
  The only thing that has not yet been disputed is that the vaccine provides an easier progression of the disease, and this, if we do not take into account the already known "side effects", as well as, so far unknown, possible negative consequences of the new mRNA technology.
Alexzn

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6 February 2021 21: 05

I don't see how Russian data is better than Israeli data. More precisely, they are much worse. I can prove it even without taking into account the varying degrees of reliability of statistics. By the way, the number of detected infected is a function of the number of tests and the percentage of positive ones. For comparison, stat. data need to know their comparability.
Vladest

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7 February 2021 22: 03

The USSR is dead. What do the West say about him - Sputnik, Gagarin, Matryoshka, Vodka, Kalinka, Sputnik V, Putin ............ Isn't it too little for Velikaya?
1. magma
  
  +1
  
  8 February 2021 09: 28
  
  Quote: Vladest
  The USSR is dead. What do the West say about him - Sputnik, Gagarin, Matryoshka, Vodka, Kalinka, Sputnik V, Putin ............ Isn't it too little for Velikaya?
  
  Yeah, especially against the background of your, as my teacher said, micro-class education, about which nothing is said at all.
  1. Vladest
    
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    8 February 2021 14: 31
    
    Quote: magma
    Yeah, especially against the background of your, as my teacher said, micro-class education, about which nothing is said at all.
    
    The picture is not complete. On what basis is this conclusion? What was it compared to?
Vladest

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7 February 2021 22: 09
To have it does not mean to be able to. In the Kremlin, the main thing is to be super outside, but inside the country they will tolerate. For the common cause!

https://www.rbc.ru/society/18/01/2021/600037c69a79474871d660bc
Alexzn

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9 February 2021 15: 47

Quote: Dear couch expert.
The vaccine works, and this is proved by the new data of the Maccabi health insurance fund on vaccinated citizens. Of those who received 2 doses of the vaccine, only 0,06% were infected, and the high efficiency of the drug remains.

0,06%?) Do you really believe in everything your media writes to you? Or maybe you have personal experience that would confirm the effectiveness of this vaccine?
Here I have much less optimistic, and at the same time 100% reliable data on not such a high efficiency of this vaccine.
The only thing that has not yet been disputed is that the vaccine provides an easier progression of the disease, and this, if we do not take into account the already known "side effects", as well as, so far unknown, possible negative consequences of the new mRNA technology.

This is not the media, this is the health insurance fund report. Of the 400 vaccinated according to Maccabi, 000 people were infected at that time - this is a recorded fact. I do not see anything controversial or unusual in this. You, apparently, do not quite understand what is at stake. The data simply indicate that the drop in infection rates 240-21 days after the second vaccination is an order of magnitude.
1. Dear sofa expert.
  
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  9 February 2021 18: 39
  
  The data simply indicate that the drop in infection rates 21-22 days after the second vaccination is an order of magnitude.
  
  And where can you read these data, especially those that relate to this period (21-22 days after the second vaccination). I have not yet heard of such criteria. As far as I know, it was always about 7 days (week) after the second vaccination, after which the level of 95% should be reached.
  
  And here's another. Israel, as it were, confirms the effectiveness of BP in reducing the severe and moderate course of the disease, (which apparently takes place), but the question of “herd immunity” remains open.
  The question is why? The answer is simple. Vaccination does not cope with its direct role - protection from infection. The "result" is especially noticeable in cases of infection with "mutants". There BP is generally not happy with its efficiency.
  Elderly people initially react negatively with "champions" (up to death) to this drug, and the percentage of "protection" is initially far from 95%, and younger people, yes, sort of improve statistics, since they have their own, more or less acting immunity, therefore, relying on them as an indicator of a "milder" course of the disease, as it were, is not very correct. They tolerate covid more easily without vaccination.
  So all your statistics are "a blown frog in the ass with a straw."
  If you just want to argue, then I'll give it to you.
  But if you are really interested in the truth, I can share with you more sobering information.
  My opinion, based on personal experience, is that the BP vaccine is not effective because it is not really effective.
  for today it is unsuccessful.
Alexzn

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9 February 2021 19: 09

Quote: Dear couch expert.
The data simply indicate that the drop in infection rates 21-22 days after the second vaccination is an order of magnitude.

And where can you read these data, especially those that relate to this period (21-22 days after the second vaccination). I have not yet heard of such criteria. As far as I know, it was always about 7 days (week) after the second vaccination, after which the level of 95% should be reached.

And here's another. Israel, as it were, confirms the effectiveness of BP in reducing the severe and moderate course of the disease, (which apparently takes place), but the question of “herd immunity” remains open.
The question is why? The answer is simple. Vaccination does not cope with its direct role - protection from infection. The "result" is especially noticeable in cases of infection with "mutants". There BP is generally not happy with its efficiency.
Elderly people initially react negatively with "champions" (up to death) to this drug, and the percentage of "protection" is initially far from 95%, and younger people, yes, sort of improve statistics, since they have their own, more or less acting immunity, therefore, relying on them as an indicator of a "milder" course of the disease, as it were, is not very correct. They tolerate covid more easily without vaccination.
So all your statistics are "a blown frog in the ass with a straw."
If you just want to argue, then I'll give it to you.
But if you are really interested in the truth, I can share with you more sobering information.
My opinion, based on personal experience, is that the BP vaccine is not effective because it is not really effective.
for today it is unsuccessful.

I only gave a snippet of the report. It gives a correlation between the decrease in the number of cases by day after the 2nd vaccination. According to the report, the vaccinated receives maximum protection 3 weeks after the second injection.
We will reach herd immunity in 2 months. There are fears that after 50% the vaccination rate will drop sharply and it will be quite difficult to finish up to 60-70.
About age. Here you need to correctly evaluate the statistics. In the Russian Federation, at risk (80+) there is a very small part of the population, in our country this is the main group that gives most of the deaths, people at this age generally tend to die and no vaccine will save you from this.
Statistics are just statistics, let alone conclusions ...
1. Dear sofa expert.
  
  +2
  
  9 February 2021 20: 12
  
  We will reach herd immunity in 2 months. There are fears that after 50% the vaccination rate will drop sharply and it will be quite difficult to finish up to 60-70.
  
  But you already have 64% vaccinated. Now, there are already observations with the vaccinated (+ 22 days). The remaining 36% are already mainly children who have their own immunity, and adults, with contraindications. And herd immunity as it had happened.
  Not alarming?
  Or are you hoping that BP will become even more effective in 2 months?)
  
  About age. Here you need to correctly evaluate the statistics. In the Russian Federation, at risk (80+) there is a very small part of the population, in our country this is the main group that gives most of the deaths, people at this age generally tend to die and no vaccine will save you from this.
  
  Why do they give them then?)
  
  Statistics are just statistics, let alone conclusions ...
  
  Do not believe these "statisticians") Paper, as they say, will endure everything.
  
  Better follow the real, current situation, and draw your own conclusions.
  
  Here is an interesting link "from today's life":
  
  https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/Corona-Infektionen-in-Belm-beschaeftigen-Bundesregierung,corona6612.html
  
  See how the "Briton" (B.1.1.7) with one click "makes your" vaccination (BP) "small".