"The war is lost in 5 days": the exercises of the Polish army "Winter-20" ended in complete failure


The Zima-20 command-staff exercise was held in Poland, but its results were extremely sad for the Polish military. The simulation of military operations even included new weapons systems ordered by Poland, but not yet delivered, such as Patriot air defense systems, MLRS HIMARS and F-35 fighters, writes the Polish portal Onet, citing a number of media outlets in their country.


According to the Polish Internet edition Interia, several thousand officers took part in the exercise. During the simulation, literally everything was taken into account. Even a reformed system of military command and control was used. But the exercises ended not only in complete failure, but in a gigantic disaster. The Polish Armed Forces were defeated in a very short time and ceased to exist.

The war is lost in 5 days

- stated in Interia.

The portal clarified that the fierce defense on the eastern front led to the defeat of military units and huge losses among the military personnel. On the fifth day the enemy reached the Vistula line, but Poland no longer had an army to defend it.

The battles for Warsaw were still going on, but the ports were already either blocked or captured by the enemy. The aviation and navy no longer existed as a branch of the armed forces. The ground forces lost 60-80 percent of their personnel. The exercise caused real confusion in the ranks of the military.

In turn, the Polish tabloid Super Express provided additional information, referring to its informants. Initially, the Polish Armed Forces planned to hold the defense for 22 days before the arrival of reinforcements in the form of forces of NATO allies. However, on the fourth day Warsaw was surrounded, and the enemy was advancing westward. Everything went completely wrong as planned by the Polish military leaders. Moreover, the commanders of some units were shocked by the assigned tasks and refused to complete them.

The head of state Andrzej Duda and the head of the military department Mariusz Blaszak were familiarized with the results of the exercises. At the same time, the office of the President of Poland and the Ministry of National Defense refused to comment on the above information, citing secrecy, the Polish media summed up.
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  2. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 2 February 2021 17: 56
    +8
    In the 39th, and without exercises, they showed ... Why did they draw now?
    And the question is: only officers took part in the exercises?
    What kind of military man who does not follow orders?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 2 February 2021 20: 01
      +1
      Well, in '39 they twitched longer. Then there was a serious army. The Germans (formally) were not much inferior.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 11
        .
        Well, the Germans were not alone there. The USSR seemed to help finish off. Without the help of the USSR, the Germans would not have dared to attack alone. They first secured a promise from the USSR to work together, even bribing the USSR to more than half of Poland.
        The Germans have a mate there. the security was only for the Polish company. Here they are taking Poland alone, and the USSR of their scrapes, exhausted in the war with Poland, and Poland and Germany itself.
        Here's a version.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 2 February 2021 21: 32
          +11
          The USSR did not fight with Poland, learn history. The Polish Supreme Command gave the command not to fight the Red Army. And the USSR introduced troops only when the leadership (or rather, the state) in Poland no longer existed.
          And Poland had powerful and loyal allies: the WB and France. If troops were brought in from the west, there was no one to meet them there. Hitler sent everything east. Everything, until the last plane. Including from the air defense of Berlin. The USSR only took back its lands, which were seized by Poland in 1920, when Soviet Russia was weakened by civil war and intervention. And then she took Bessarabia, captured by Romania in 1918. And the Romanians did not twitch. They gave it away.
          And you don't even try to teach us our history here. Here people have re-read tons of literature. And your some sort of one, by the ears well-worn version, is not interesting to anyone. You are incompetent.
          The USSR was the last to sign an agreement with Germany and carried it out to the end.
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 42
            .
            Quote: boriz
            The USSR did not fight with Poland, learn history

            Maybe you need it?
            The official figure of the Red Army's combat losses, according to Molotov, was 737 killed and 1862 wounded.
            according to the Russian historian Grigory Krivosheev, there were 1173 people killed, 2002 wounded and 302 missing.
            Do you know who Molotov was?
            So of the two options, choose which losses of the Red Army are more suitable for your "USSR did not fight with Poland."
            And in general, it is good to rob what does not belong to you. And how did the Germans endure that the USSR seized more than half of Poland. The skirmishes were between? And then there were losses with the Poles. (not fighting!).
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 2 February 2021 22: 06
              +8
              They fought mainly with the Germans. Even the tanks were taken from them. Just in the heat of the moment, the military climbed beyond the boundaries of the withdrawal of troops. And those and others. Well, there were also cases when the Red Army, entering the village, discovered that the Poles were terrorizing the local (not Polish) population. Then, of course, "figured out". Well, just like you, on the night of the bronze soldier.
              Molotov is the head of the government, he gave the data in hot pursuit. Then they were clarified.
              1000 people killed is a figure when such an army is involved. I am sure that there are non-combat losses of up to a third.
              This is not a war.

              And in general it is good to rob what does not belong to you.

              Do you have head problems or eye problems? Before responding to a comment, you must read it. It is written in Russian in white:

              The USSR only took back its lands, captured by Poland in 1920, when Soviet Russia was weakened by civil war and intervention.

              That's right, with those exhausted in the war. Yes, not two weeks, but the First World War, but 2 years of civil.
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 February 2021 01: 25
            -1
            Quote: boriz
            The USSR did not fight with Poland, learn history.

            We were terribly damaged by the Polish campaign — it spoiled us. In the troops and in the command staff, shapkozakidatelny mood arose. This prevented our army from realigning and realizing its shortcomings. Our army did not immediately understand that the war in Poland was not a war, but a military walk.

            Guess who said.

            Quote: boriz
            The Polish Supreme Command gave the command not to fight the Red Army. And the USSR introduced troops only when the leadership (or rather, the state) in Poland no longer existed.

            Are you keeping up a contradiction in your comment? How could Rydz-Smigly give an order to someone not to fight if the state of Poland no longer existed?
            And yes, the USSR's invasion of Poland is undoubtedly an act of aggression in accordance with the 1933 "convention on the definition of aggression" adopted at the initiative of the USSR in London.

            Article II

            In accordance with this, the State that will be the first to take one of the following actions will be recognized as an attacker in an international conflict, without prejudice to the agreement in force between the parties to the conflict:
            2. The invasion of their armed forces, at least without declaring war, on the territory of another State;
            3. An attack by their own land, sea or air forces, at least without declaring war, on the territory, on ships or aircraft of another State;
            Article III

            No consideration of a political, military, economic or other nature can serve as an excuse or justification for the aggression envisaged in Article II (see Appendix for an example).
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 4 February 2021 01: 35
              +2
              Are you keeping up a contradiction in your comment?

              It's just that Rydz-Smigly gave this order before September 17. He knew perfectly well that the Red Army would enter Poland.

              And yes, the USSR's invasion of Poland is undoubtedly an act of aggression in accordance with the 1933 "convention on the definition of aggression" adopted at the initiative of the USSR in London.

              And what was the Polish invasion of Soviet Russia? Romania's invasion of Bessarabia?
              Poland was warned not to cross a certain line, which was designated not by Lenin, but by Lord Curzon. And Poland did not give a damn about Curzon.
              Well, Stalin doesn't give a damn about Poland. And he was right. And Churchill justified it in his writings.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 February 2021 11: 14
                -1
                Guess whose quote I quoted? Let's argue with him whether the Polish campaign of the Red Army was a war? Of course, it's already difficult to argue with him, but still.

                Quote: boriz
                It's just that Rydz-Smigly gave this order before September 17. He knew perfectly well that the Red Army would enter Poland.

                Don't la-la. The order was given in the afternoon of 17. For half a day, we were figuring out the purpose of the troops' input, some naively assumed that the Red Army could come to the rescue in the fight against the Nazis. Order text

                Soviet Union invaded to our land. I order a general retreat to Hungary and Romania by the shortest routes. Do not fight the Bolsheviks, unless in the event of an attack from their side or attempts to disarm the detachment. The defense mission facing Warsaw and other cities remains unchanged

                Rydz-Smigly left Poland 18.

                Quote: boriz
                And what was the Polish invasion of Soviet Russia?

                An episode of the civil war? Are you sure you invaded Soviet Russia? In any case, the USSR recognized Poland within those borders, it made no claims. From the point of view of international law, aggression in its purest form. The funny thing is, the definition of aggression was adopted at the initiative of the USSR.
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 5 February 2021 23: 47
                  +2
                  Let's argue with him whether the Polish campaign of the Red Army was a war?

                  We will not. What is there to argue: who declared war?

                  Are you sure you invaded Soviet Russia?

                  History at school should have been taught, not smoking. Did I come up with Lord Curzon? And he was a man very far from sympathy for the Russians.
                  And if some people still remained on the territory of Poland (in the process of draping into Romania), this does not mean that there was a capable government. The Polish Embassy in the USSR had no connection with him. And it did not fulfill its functions.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 6 February 2021 00: 47
                    -2
                    Quote: boriz
                    What is there to argue: who declared war?

                    Is Stalin not an authority for you? By the way, Germany attacked the USSR without declaring war, was it not a war then?

                    Quote: boriz
                    History at school should have been taught, not smoking. Did I come up with Lord Curzon?

                    Uh, no, my friend, you need to repeat the school curriculum and remember that Poland invaded the UPR and the BNR. Actually, like the RSFSR, it invaded the same place. Soviet Russia was located slightly to the east.

                    Quote: boriz
                    And if some people still remained on the territory of Poland (in the process of draping into Romania), this does not mean that there was a capable government. The Polish Embassy in the USSR had no connection with him. And it did not fulfill its functions.

                    First of all, you are confusing cause and effect, the drape began with the introduction of the Red Army.
                    Secondly, according to the same convention on the definition of aggression, adopted at the initiative of the USSR:

                    None considerations of a political, military, economic or other order cannot serve as an excuse or justification for the aggression provided for in Article II

                    Thirdly, when Minsk fell in 41, the General Staff of the Red Army had no contact with the troops and did not control the situation, and Joseph Vissarionovich fell into a depression and locked himself in his dacha, did the USSR also cease to exist?
          3. Rokot Offline Rokot
            Rokot (Alexey Kan) 5 February 2021 23: 39
            0
            Moreover, the troops of the USSR did not even reach the Curzon line. What were the Poles doing there?
        2. General Black Offline General Black
          General Black (Gennady) 2 February 2021 21: 45
          +7
          Here they take Poland alone, and the USSR of their scrapes, exhausted in the war with Poland, and Poland and Germany itself.

          Toraga druh! Translate from Estonian, if it's not difficult, what does it mean - "crap scratch"?
        3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 4 February 2021 14: 48
          0
          this version could only appear in the heads of the outskirts, in the country of victorious idiocy
  3. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 19: 30
    .
    Some kind of rotten data. Once a staff exercise, where are the losses of the aggressor?
    The stupidity also lies in the fact that all NATO forces available at the moment in Europe will immediately be used against the aggressor. No one will sit and wait for these 22 days or even 1 hour.
    In Europe, the countries are not very large in area, and it is natural that Poland or the Baltic states can be destroyed and even occupied in the event of a war, but the fact is that the war will not end with this until the aggressor himself is destroyed. For this, the strength will be found.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 2 February 2021 19: 59
      +9
      and in how many days will the Americans bring their niggas from German Ramstein? 10,20,30? On a universe scale it can and immediately laughing only nobody will attack pshekov. They have the fate of Ukrainians to graze. Anderson even has a fairy tale about the hohlopas laughing
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 05
        .
        Quote: Just Cat
        and in how many days will the Americans bring their niggas from German Ramstein?

        Have you fallen from the moon? Germany, France and Turkey (the second army after the USA in NATO). For the time being, there is enough force to contain it Under the guise of Israel will take down your Assad. The straits will be closed and the entire grouping of the RF Armed Forces in Syria will be deprived of mat. supply, and there and the United States something .. Well, you can ad infinitum. Far East.
        Therefore, we are not at war. We all do not fight, we sit quietly. The world is good.
        And how many children of bureaucrats from the Russian Federation will immediately be taken hostage. After that, even thinking about war should be scary!))))
        1. Dear sofa expert. 2 February 2021 21: 15
          +9
          Have you fallen from the moon? Germany, France and Turkey (the second army after the USA in NATO). For the time being, there is enough force to contain it. Under the guise of Israel will take down your Assad. The straits will be closed and the entire grouping of the RF Armed Forces in Syria will be deprived of mat. supply, and then the United States something .. Well, you can ad infinitum.

          Oh my God, what nonsense, just some kind of childish babble.)
          I'm still ashamed to ask how old are you, Vladest?
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 47
            -6
            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            I'm still ashamed to ask how old are you, Vladest?

            If there is a desire to get to know each other, then the rules suggest starting with yourself)))
            Did they teach you etiquette at school?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 2 February 2021 22: 05
              +7
              If there is a desire to get to know each other, then the rules suggest starting with yourself)))
              Did they teach you etiquette at school?

              So it seems that you were not taught that "they do not go to someone else's monastery with their own charter."
              You are visiting here, as it were. To begin with, at least ask permission, can I enter?
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 2 February 2021 22: 12
          +9
          Do you seriously think that NATO will stand up for you? It has already been said in plain text that no one will fight for you. Even more so, Turkey. She doesn't give a damn about you.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 2 February 2021 19: 59
      +11
      Yes, yes, of course, the final word for Estonian stratteggs!
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 13
        -9
        Quote: boriz
        Yes, yes, of course, the final word for Estonian stratteggs!

        When not from you)) then the Estonians))) How do people not get tired of discussing science fiction? Games are on the topic play. Develop.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 2 February 2021 21: 17
          +5
          How can people not tire of discussing science fiction? Games are on the topic play. Develop.

          Are you talking about the Polish people?
          Do you still remember what the article that you are discussing so vigorously is about?)
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 51
            -9
            I have already expressed my opinion. Find and read. I won't repeat it to everyone. Warriors are playing. They need loot, The more terrible, the more they will give. That's all . I am sure that 99% of Poles have never heard of this topic. This is where a cockroach is launched for you, so that the rage boils.
            Europe is working and building and is doing it faster and better than the Russian Federation.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 4 February 2021 01: 51
              +1
              I have already expressed my opinion. Find and read.

              And you speak so that everyone understands, not just you. This is a very useful skill. Although not everyone is given.
    3. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 2 February 2021 20: 17
      +8
      but that the war will not end with this until the aggressor himself is destroyed. For this, the strength will be found.

      Who has it? Estonia? It has long been clear to everyone that they will not fight for Poland, or (especially) the Balts, the United States and NATO. Soon Europe will diligently shake you off into the hands of the Russian Federation. And the Russian Federation will in every possible way kick away from such a gift.
    4. Dear sofa expert. 2 February 2021 20: 45
      +7
      Some kind of rotten data. Once a staff exercise, where are the losses of the aggressor?

      Yes, you have such rotten allies.

      The stupidity also lies in the fact that all NATO forces available at the moment in Europe will immediately be used against the aggressor. No one will sit and wait for these 22 days or even 1 hour.

      Most likely, as soon as it starts, the first thing to do is line up to leave NATO. Social polls in Western Europe showed that no one there really wants to fight for the interests of some kind of “distant, second-rate members” (in particular the Baltic countries).
      So, if you become impudent, you will end up being "nose to nose" against the "potential enemy".

      Therefore, temper your fighting ardor, and do not bully. And this also applies to you personally.

      Russia, in turn, will not be the first to touch you. This is not even discussed, as unnecessary.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 13
        -6
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        Yes, you have such rotten allies.

        And who wrote the article?
        1. Dear sofa expert. 2 February 2021 21: 20
          +4
          And who wrote the article?

          You already need to translate from Russian into Russian, right? Your brain won't turn on at all?

          writes the Polish portal Onet, referring to a number of media outlets in his country.
      2. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 53
        -4
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        Social polls in Western Europe showed

        Social polls do not address military issues. Especially if something hot starts.
        By the way, in Russia, what about the polls? how many Russians want war?
        1. Dear sofa expert. 2 February 2021 21: 58
          +3
          Social polls do not address military issues.

          But they influence political decisions. And on issues of further stay in the military bloc, too.

          how many Russians want war?

          And who told you what they want?
          It is you here for some reason, "cock".
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 3 February 2021 00: 29
            -5
            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            And who told you what they want?
            It is you here for some reason, "cock".

            I mean that there is always about there. For yourself, you should do more. To understand it is necessary to compare, but there is nothing to compare with.
            We read the comments here. "Yes, we are NATO," "Yes, ale Poles!" "Yes, our Iskander." "Iskander alone is enough." Or are we not conducting exercises to attack US destroyers in the World Cup?
            So who's the cock here? Am I?
            Conclusion "two boots of a pair". RF is no better than those whom we discuss and judge. And among the bandits, they squabble until one eats the other.
            The United States has already inflicted billions of losses on the Russian Federation. RF US by how much?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 3 February 2021 00: 44
              +4
              I mean that there is always about there. For yourself, you should do more. To understand it is necessary to compare, but there is nothing to compare with.

              So you, too, are not at home, but here. What are you smeared with jam here?

              What do you need to understand in order to compare? In what sense - there is nothing to compare with?
              You explain yourself with some riddles.

              We read the comments here. "Yes, we are NATO," "Yes, the Poles!" "Yes, our Iskander." "Iskander alone is enough."

              Are you quoting me? Did I write that? Or who are you communicating with now?

              So who's the cock here? Am I?

              Yes, of the two of us, it's you.

              The United States has already inflicted billions of losses on the Russian Federation. RF US by how much?

              Should Russia do damage?
              Well, everything is clear with the United States, it is a global criminal. More than one state has suffered from it.
    5. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 3 February 2021 03: 19
      +1
      Oh yes! As soon as, then at once. After 2 or 3 months of approvals. And it's not a fact that it is successful, even if the "aggressor" waits for them.
    6. Object.F7 Offline Object.F7
      Object.F7 (Object.F7 TV) 3 February 2021 14: 40
      0
      How cool Great Britain and France helped their ally Poland in 1939 ... In about the same way as Great Britain helped the allied France in 1940 ... Through Dunkirk, quickly to his home on the island. And three weeks later, the English fleet had already attacked the French ships and a bunch of French sailors were killed (Operation Catapult), allies are good. In general, the history of war teaches that you should not rely on allies. For three years Churchill fed Stalin with promises about a second front. So your beliefs "no one will sit and wait 1 hour" is extremely naive. Today they are pouring out promises of friendship, and tomorrow, in a difficult situation, it is every man for himself, and expensive allies wring out your ordered and paid medical masks right at the airport at the time of loading. During the world wars, Great Britain and the United States never got into battle first, but waited for who and then shared the victory pie. How many times in history has Poland been pulled apart? Fingers of one hand may not be enough
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  5. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 2 February 2021 20: 16
    0
    If Poland defended alone, it would have happened, but Poland is in NATO, then this scenario disappears. Wars in Europe are ruled out today (unless the United States provokes), there are no countries that can be bombed with impunity, like Yugoslavia - here the example of Yugoslavia sobered the EBS and the liberals of Russia, that the next bombing without UN sanction will be Russia, so they began to strengthen the Armed Forces RF, and the presidential GDP ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 2 February 2021 20: 21
      +2
      Turkey in NATO ... Where is their Fu-35? Where is NATO support against Armenians? Burghers won't go to die for the sake of a Polish plumber.
      A Polish woman with a cart, a German cart is easier.
      1. Object.F7 Offline Object.F7
        Object.F7 (Object.F7 TV) 3 February 2021 14: 46
        0
        The Germans, in general, at an opportunity, can remember that part of the territory of modern Poland was once called East Prussia.
    2. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 21: 16
      -5
      Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
      unless the US provokes)

      Can be more. Why would the US even start some kind of war with the Russian Federation? Well, what is the benefit? Do you follow the development of the Russian Federation well, its growth rates, R&D successes? RF is barely growing and the gap between countries is growing. The USA goes ahead without war.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 2 February 2021 22: 13
        +4
        The USA goes ahead without war.

        More specifically, please. You have a bad way of talking.
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 4 February 2021 09: 55
          -2
          Quote: boriz
          More specifically, please. You have a bad way of talking.

          We look at the rate of economic growth. Population growth. The information is open. Can't search? look for courses on using the Internet))))
      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 2 February 2021 22: 26
        +2
        Can be more. Why would the US even start some kind of war with the Russian Federation?

        Yes, to hell with these USA.
        Tell me something else.
        If we enter the territory of Estonia, where are your troops to look for ?? repeat
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 4 February 2021 01: 55
          +2
          If we enter the territory of Estonia, where are your troops to look for ??

          As usual, there will be shit under the nearest bushes.
  6. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 3 February 2021 00: 04
    0
    it looks more like the Polish military threw this "sensational" stuffing into their media in order to cut budget money, or maybe mislead our General Staff, so that they would think that it is really possible to roll them out in 5 days ... but actually in fact, if we go too quickly, we will lose everything
  7. Herman 4223 Offline Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 (Alexander) 3 February 2021 11: 42
    0
    The Polish military know how to knock out money for themselves. Indeed, according to such results of the exercises, more funds are needed for the army, and new formations of troops should be formed so that there is something to fight.
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 4 February 2021 09: 57
      -1
      Quote: Herman 4223
      The Polish military know how to knock out money for themselves.

      Not just Polish, but any.
  8. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 3 February 2021 13: 12
    0
    It is quite possible that there is a specially leaked misinformation or a duck ... There are also such techniques to put a probable opponent to sleep ..
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 4 February 2021 09: 58
      -1
      Quote: Igor Berg
      It is quite possible that there is a specially leaked misinformation or a duck ... There are also such techniques to put a probable opponent to sleep ..

      Such things are easy to check if they give a link to the original articles. If they do not give it, it means that they are lying or distorting.
    2. Herman 4223 Offline Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 (Alexander) 6 February 2021 14: 32
      0
      Desa is needed to scare the enemy, not to cheer.