Donbass at a crossroads: to the Russian world or to the American colony


The year that has begun has already been marked by the first events that are most directly related to the future decision of the fate of the region, which has been tormented by war since 2014 and is still in a completely uncertain state. Alas, it cannot be said that the beginning of 2021 brought any certainty for Donbass and its inhabitants - rather, on the contrary.


The “signals” coming from Minsk, Kiev, Moscow and Washington are so contradictory that it is time to talk about a crossroads from which Donetsk and Lugansk can move in completely opposite directions. However, it may also happen that no movement will occur at all. In this case, the fulfillment of these people's dreams of normalizing their lives, peace and stability will again be postponed indefinitely.

Minsk: Kiev is catching, Moscow is losing patience


The resumed, albeit in the now familiar virtual format, negotiations of the Trilateral Contact Group took place, in general, traditionally for the last time. That is, to no avail and with a scandal. Dmitry Kozak, the representative of the President of Russia in the TCG, was brought to a real explosion of emotions by the behavior of his Ukrainian colleague, Leonid Kravchuk. This figure plunged all the participants in the meeting into the deepest amazement, saying that the "road map" for the peaceful settlement of the conflict in the East of Ukraine should be developed ... by representatives of the Normandy Four! On the one hand, such a "feint" by Kiev is quite understandable - after the previous failed attempt to push its own version of the plan into the TKG, which in no way corresponds to the provisions of "Minsk-2", they realized that they would not be able to do anything like that. Under no circumstances do they want to agree to the proposals put forward by representatives of the DPR and LPR, despite the fact that they can be considered a fair compromise in comparison with the positions that the Republics previously held on many issues. Hence Kravchuk's “brilliant” idea: “Let the Germans and the French squirm! At the same time, they assume all responsibility ... "

It is clear that this was not without the usual primitive "cunning" of the representatives of Ukraine - for some reason they are sure that the western participants of the "Normandy" a priori will take their side, rejecting the plans of the DPR-LPR from the start. And even then the remaining in the minority Russia will be able to "crush", forcing to agree to the Ukrainian version, which is a scenario for the complete and unconditional surrender of the Republics with their further tough "cleanup". The complete absurdity of this approach is obvious to everyone, except, of course, the Ukrainian negotiators. Therefore, Mr. Kozak had to instruct them in a completely open text, explaining that the "Normandy Four" would not make up any "cards" for them and for them. Maximum - will give certain recommendations, but no more.

However, the scandal was not limited to this. In the course of the discussion, an absolutely outrageous fact became clear: it turns out that Kiev submitted two completely different versions of the settlement plan for consideration by the TKG in Minsk and the Normandy Four! This already smacks of a natural cheating of pure water and Dmitry Kozak, as they say, from the heart "poked his nose" opponents, saying that such actions are "in principle incorrect." Leonid Kravchuk, caught in such unscrupulous behavior, did not find anything better than to respond with a new portion of insults and threats against Russia, declaring that our country is an "aggressor" who "must feel responsible." A similar effect, according to Kravchuk, will certainly be achieved by expanding and a more diverse "range" of sanctions against our country. A wonderful speech in the mouth of the "chief negotiator" who must "establish contacts" and "normalize relations" ...

It was not without reason that Boris Gryzlov, head of the Russian delegation, commented on the situation with the words that both rhetoric and concrete actions of Kiev continue to remain “absolutely irresponsible and aggressive”. In his opinion, the actions of the Ukrainian side can testify to only one thing - in the “non-existent” side they continue to cherish the idea of ​​“military suppression of Donbass” and “set themselves up” for concrete implementation of it. This, as Mr. Gryzlov rightly said, does not bode well for the inhabitants of Ukraine ”. It is in no way possible to call his words an exaggeration or "exaggeration" - after all, the same Kravchuk, having declared at the end of another failed round of negotiations that "there is no question of returning the lost territories by military means", immediately made a very significant clarification: " in the near future".

"Russian Donbass" or "internal Ukrainian question"?


It is not a secret for anyone that Kiev is playing the game of dragging out time in the negotiations, first of all, in anticipation of the moment when it will be able to count on help and support in solving the "Donbass issue" from the United States. The internal political confrontation in Washington has practically come to an end, and in the "nazalezhnoy" they hope that the overseas "partners" will now, setting aside all other pressing foreign policy problems, rush to "lend their shoulders", putting pressure on Moscow. At the same time, right, it is completely incomprehensible why the Ukrainian side, firstly, is convinced that the Americans will be able to "persuade" Moscow to agree to the implementation of its completely unacceptable "de-occupation" plans, and secondly, it believes that these plans will be approved by Washington itself. With good reason, we can assume just a completely different option.

It is enough to recall the specific statements and actions of Joe Biden when he was his "curator" of Ukraine under Barack Obama to come to an unambiguous conclusion: the new US president will most likely incline Kiev to fulfill, if not in spirit, then the letters of the Minsk agreements, in favor of which he expressed quite unambiguously and repeatedly. As, by the way, and returning to the external policies Victoria Nuland. Moreover, while in Ukraine, Biden from the rostrum of the local parliament ardently convinced his deputies of the urgent need to federalize the country and adopt appropriate amendments to the Constitution. As for the current US-Russian agenda, the reluctance of the new head of the White House to go to a sharp confrontation with Moscow (at least at the moment) is evidenced by the fact of his recent quite even and businesslike communication with Vladimir Putin and the forced extension of the START-3 treaty.

Nobody says that normal relations can be established between the United States and Russia. This, alas, will not happen. And, of course, Washington will use the "Ukrainian card" in the ongoing confrontation. Another thing is that the aggravation of the conflict in Donbass, which risks escalating into a full-scale Ukrainian-Russian war with a more than predictable result, is by no means necessary for Biden and his team of globalists. At the current stage - for sure. But without a full-scale offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, no "de-occupation" of the rebellious region is, of course, possible. So here Kiev finds itself in an impasse, a way out of which, simply delaying the time for making cardinal decisions, it will not find for itself. However, this issue has another side. Namely, the position of Russia. I will never believe that at least one person in the Kremlin really believes in the idea of ​​the possibility of peaceful coexistence of Donetsk, Lugansk and Kiev in one state.

Last year, the DPR and LPR, for example, finally abandoned office work in the Ukrainian language and its study in schools (except on an optional basis). On the rest of the “nezalezhnaya” territory, forced “Ukrainization” is raging, assuming more and more total and aggressive forms. According to the national migration service, in 2020, 409 and a half thousand Ukrainians received Russian citizenship. Roughly, the inhabitants of the Republics of Donbass among those are 320-330 thousand. What kind of "reintegration" ?! Apparently, Moscow is well aware of all this - at present, the Russian Donbass forum is taking place in Donetsk and, assuming that Margarita Simonyan, Roman Babayan and other media personalities of the first magnitude are taking part in it, support for such Russia's side turns out to be, albeit unofficially, at a very high level. The question is, is this a deliberate policy or another "last warning" for Kiev, which is basically unable to perceive any messages and signals?

It is alarming and disappointing that, according to an official statement from the Kremlin press service, in a conversation with Joe Biden, Vladimir Putin spoke of the conflict in Donbas as an "internal Ukrainian issue." It is clear that the conventions must be observed - even more so during a conversation at this level. And nevertheless ... At the beginning of this year, the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin announced his intention to hold a repeated referendum on its self-determination in the Republic. In turn, the head of the local Foreign Ministry Natalya Nikonorova announced her readiness to organize this event under the auspices of the UN Security Council and with the participation of representatives of all international organizations as observers.

The result of such an expression of will is more than predictable - even half a percent of local residents are unlikely to speak out for the return "to Nenki's fold". In Lugansk, there is no doubt that the situation will be exactly the same. It is clear that these desperate appeals are addressed primarily not to New York Antonio Gutterish, but to Moscow - to Vladimir Putin. The republics make it clear to Moscow: it's time to make a decision. Seven years "between heaven and earth" is too long and people are simply tired. Issuance of Russian passports, humanitarian convoys and other assistance - that's all great. However, the DNR and LNR want to finally understand whether the "Russian world" is ready to accept them as its part, or whether they will continue to remain only its bleeding fragment, which can disappear at any moment.

In Kiev, there are also imperfect idiots who cannot count. If today the number of Russian citizens among the population of the DPR and LPR is estimated at about 10-15%, then what will this figure be in three years? Five years? In fact, in the event of a major offensive on Donetsk and Lugansk, Moscow already today has every reason (and should!) To react in the same way as in 2008. It will only get worse for Kiev in the future, and the realization of this fact can push the local leaders into dangerous adventures. In any case, Donbass has stood at a crossroads for too long. There they made their choice. It's up to Russia.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 29 January 2021 11: 49
    -1
    Seven years “between heaven and earth” is too long and people are simply tired.

    Russia with Putin for 20 years and no prospects. We have decided who works from Donbass long ago. They have already received Russian citizenship and are trying to sell all their property in the Donbas. They survive with us and they remember Putin with obscenities every time. "And he does not deserve another, for his attitude to the Russian people."
  2. stepet Offline stepet
    stepet 29 January 2021 11: 53
    -6
    Donbass at a crossroads: to the Russian world or to the American colony

    What other Donbass?
    Russia is at a crossroads.
    Or in the nightmare of the "new socialism" (now it is called the "Russian world"), or in free sailing under American supervision. Like the rest of the world.
    I don't want to go to nightmare.
    And in free swimming, it is unusual and scary.
    Here is marking time.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 29 January 2021 12: 08
      +2
      what are you talking about, your "free" swimming under supervision was already in the 90s. Yeltsin was very fond of his masters, they watched him closely
      1. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 29 January 2021 12: 51
        .
        Quote: rotkiv04
        your "free" swimming under supervision was already in the 90s.

        And what was bad in the 90s?
        Perhaps the record low prices for oil and gas.
        Yes, it was. But they did not depend on Russia.
        And so, it was a very good time.
        Time for creativity, hope and perspective.
        It was a great time.
        Time of FREEDOM.
        1. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 29 January 2021 13: 10
          +4
          Quote: stepet
          And so, it was a very good time.
          Time for creativity, hope and perspective.
          It was a great time.
          Time of FREEDOM.

          The time of "brothers", soldering irons and hot irons, the time of lack of money and unemployment, the time of poverty and hopelessness, the time of deriban and the collapse of the USSR, and the beginning of the reign of crooks-oligarchs.
          1. stepet Offline stepet
            stepet 29 January 2021 14: 14
            -8
            Quote: Valentine
            The time of "brothers", soldering irons and hot irons, the time of lack of money and unemployment, the time of poverty and hopelessness, the time of deriban and the collapse of the USSR, and the beginning of the reign of crooks-oligarchs.

            God, what nonsense!
            You watch less TV. Then you won't write such nonsense.
            Then oil prices were 5-6 times less than in the XNUMXs.
            So life was much more modest.
            Genius managers did not come to replace the managers of the 90s; oil prices just rose several times.
            I want to upset you. The future is much darker than it was in the 90s. It looks like Russia will be cut off from oil and gas revenues. And it will be a kirdyk. In one form or another.
            That is, one can argue only about the shape of the kirdyk.
            =
            Yes, it is better for slaves to be with their master.
            If a good man comes across, the slave will be pleased.
            And if you come across an unkind one, why blame fate?
            Such is the share of slaves.
            1. Valentine Offline Valentine
              Valentine (Valentin) 29 January 2021 17: 27
              +2
              It will not be worse than Yeltsin's rule, I, like all our people, learned this on my own skin, although I began my life under Joseph Vissarionovich, so I can rightfully judge about our General Secretary, and our presidents, and about I don’t need oil prices la-la, when I know perfectly well that under Gorbachev-Yeltsin, trade warehouses and bases were bursting with an excess of imported goods and products, the elite, which could not share power in the country with each other, and thus they wanted to take the entire people of the USSR for hunger and rebel, which in some case happened, and the people did not believe the bastard restructuring Gorbachev, but took the side of the drunkards Yeltsin, for which we got everything in full. I just don't understand one thing, that if you personally have a successful life in Russia, and you are not a slave, then explain to me, the wretched one, that you, with such happiness, sit on the couch and knock on all kinds of nonsense, hanging our shkolots Are your "Yablochno-Navalninsk" propaganda campaigns, or are they well paid for it now? And you look how many of your "brothers-in-arms" in the Navalna Sabbath climbed out of all the cracks, which rushed like beasts at the unarmed security officials, and as soon as they began to be caught and taken to the pre-trial detention center, for the riots, they immediately burst into tears, and scream - mom Help. - These are your Decembrists-Janvarists, like naughty cats, they will do something wrong, and then beg to forgive them, well, nothing, Kolyma will "forgive" them at the uranium mines.
              1. stepet Offline stepet
                stepet 29 January 2021 18: 36
                -8
                Quote: Valentine
                It will not be worse than Yeltsin's rule, I, like all our people, have learned this on my own skin

                I don’t know how it was there and what “your people” felt, but I felt great in the 90s.

                Quote: Valentine
                and it was a kind of provocation and sabotage of our ruling elite, which could not share power in the country among themselves,

                After the failure of Khrushchev and his removal, power in the country (like the country itself as a whole and completely, including the slave people) belonged to the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
                They did not find out the relationship between themselves by filling and emptying the counters. Since the mood of their fellow citizens, they were deeply indifferent.

                Quote: Valentine
                and the people did not believe the scum-perestroika Gorbachev, but took the side of the drunkard Yeltsin,

                The last person to be asked for their opinion is the people.

                Quote: Valentine
                why are you, with such happiness, sitting on the couch, and knocking on all sorts of nonsense, hanging your "apple-navalninsk" propaganda campaigns for our shkolots,

                I am already at such an age that in your free time you will no longer thump and actively tinker with women.
                At the age when the craving for missionary comes.
                It is missionary work that I am doing now. Trying to educate the uneducated, actually Neanderthals, like you.
                I'm not sure if I will succeed.
                Since you and “your people,” this is the domain of special doctors.
                But I'm trying to help them as much as I can.
                You look, and at least one "Neanderthal" will understand something. And this will already be a success.

                Quote: Valentine
                you see how many of your "brothers-in-arms" in the Navalna Sabbath climbed out of all the cracks,

                1. I am not a bully.
                2. I do not see any "Navalninsky Sabbath".
                1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                  Valentine (Valentin) 29 January 2021 19: 20
                  +5
                  Quote: stepet
                  In case of a repeat 1927

                  Well, and how did Trotsky end? ... But in general, it’s already tired of listening to your "missionary" paid stench.
                  1. stepet Offline stepet
                    stepet 29 January 2021 20: 39
                    -9
                    Quote: Valentine
                    In general, it is already tired of listening to your paid "missionary" stench.

                    You'd better understand what this is about.
                    But this is doubtful.
                    Nothing, maybe someone else will understand something and draw the right conclusions.
                    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                      Valentine (Valentin) 30 January 2021 10: 07
                      +1
                      Well, well, many people understand you from your numerous dislikes.
                      1. stepet Offline stepet
                        stepet 30 January 2021 11: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: Valentine
                        many people understand you by your numerous dislikes.

                        These toys in likes and dislikes are not interesting to me at all.
                        They can only be judged on the general orientation of the main contingent of the site.
                        They don't reflect anything else.
                        And the "general orientation of the main contingent of the site" is generally not an interesting factor to anyone.
                        In Nazi Germany, there was also a similar general trend. She was later convicted in Nuremberg.
                        And the pro-Soviet orientation is still ahead.
                2. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 29 January 2021 21: 09
                  0
                  Quote: stepet
                  I am already at such an age that in your free time you will no longer thump and actively tinker with women.
                  At the age when the craving for missionary comes.
                  It is missionary work that I am doing now.

                  You are deeply mistaken! You did not notice that you were already late with missionary work. Alas...
                  1. stepet Offline stepet
                    stepet 29 January 2021 21: 33
                    -5
                    Quote: isofat
                    You have not noticed that you are already late with missionary work.

                    Not at all.
                    It's never too late to do good deeds in general.

                    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                      Valentine (Valentin) 30 January 2021 10: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: stepet
                      It's never too late to do good deeds in general.

                      You are obviously Madame Shapoklyak's great-nephew?
                      1. stepet Offline stepet
                        stepet 30 January 2021 11: 43
                        -4
                        Quote: Valentine
                        You are obviously Madame Shapoklyak's great-nephew?

                        A wise old woman, Madame Shapoklyak, argued that one cannot become famous for good deeds.
                        And she was deeply right in this.
                        However, I do not at all strive for fame.
                        And I urge you to do good deeds.
                        And I do it myself, to the best of my ability.
                        Therefore, with Madame Shapoklyak you are "a finger to the sky."
  3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 29 January 2021 11: 59
    0
    how much sawdust can be cut, everyone benefits from such a situation, of course, except for the residents of Donbass themselves. In seven years, is it still not clear that under Putin the situation will definitely not change, except that the Kukuyev morons will twist things themselves and get hit in the head
  4. Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 29 January 2021 12: 05
    0
    I doubt that Deripaska and other Grefs will approve of the people's republics' initiatives. And give it to them ...
  5. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 29 January 2021 12: 27
    +5
    No matter how we live with an eye on the EuroUSA, no matter how we sag under their "democracy", and sanctions will continue to pour on us, as if from a cornucopia ... Well, they cannot forgive us, and they will never do this, that we were defeated in WWII on the side of Nazi Germany, and then without knowing and without delving into our disputes and background with Ukraine over the "annexation of Crimea", they all unanimously declare that we are both invaders and occupiers, while keeping silent about the situation in the Golan Heights, Kosovo, the Falkland Islands, and other, "democratically" bombed states. It's time for us to conduct our own, tough, and sometimes cruel policy towards our "partners", and get into the habit of calling things by their proper names - if he is our enemy, then he cannot be any of our partners, but curry favor with them, and fawning is simply to humiliate your country, as the Baltic countries and Ukraine do.
    What a shame for the state when they wipe their feet about you, and spit in the face like such limitrophes, and we all apologize for what we did not do.
    1. stepet Offline stepet
      stepet 29 January 2021 15: 10
      .
      Quote: Valentine
      and sanctions will continue to pour on us, as if from a cornucopia ...

      On YOU (I highlighted this word for a reason) will be.
      Because it is recommended to inflate your cheeks only with a stone in your bosom. Better yet, a pistol.
      And with a bare bottom, puffing out your cheeks, as the USSR did in 1979, is categorically not recommended in the modern world. The USSR blew its cheeks ONCE, after which it could only last 12 years.

      Quote: Valentine
      they cannot forgive us, and they will never do this, because they suffered a defeat from us in WWII on the side of Nazi Germany,

      What universe do you live in?
      1. Germany was not fascist, but Nazi. And these are two BIG (and fundamental) differences.
      2. Nazi Germany was defeated by the countries of the Anti-Hitler Coalition, CREATED AND LEADED BY THE Anglo-Saxons.
      3. The USSR in the Anti-Hitler coalition, which he joined on 24.09.1941, having tied up with the Second World War, was in secondary roles. Like Ethiopians in Africa and Chinese in Asia.
      4. At the same time, the role of the USSR in Europe was great. In Tehran and Yalta, it was defined as “about 30%”. With the participation of Dzhugashvili was determined, if that.
      5. The role of the West (mainly Americans) in the defeat of Nazi Germany was thus defined as "about 70%". How then did they “fight on the side of Nazi Germany”?

      Quote: Valentine
      and then, not knowing and not delving into our disputes and background with Ukraine over the "annexation of Crimea", they all declare with one voice that we are both invaders and occupiers,

      They MUST declare so. And they MUST act.
      So it is written in the Budapest agreements.
      And they are still SILENT.
      And what will happen when they take real acceleration?

      Quote: Valentine
      It's time for us to conduct our own, tough, and sometimes cruel policy towards our "partners",

      With a bare bottom?
      RF is the 18th economy in the world. 0,85% of the world level.
      It's not even a Pug, it's a flea on Pug's skin.
      Fleas usually have few rights.
      But duties, mouth full.
      They will cut off the income from oil and gas (pah-pah-pah), and you will go to the fields to collect quinoa and oak bark for food, as well as plantain for treatment.

      Quote: Valentine
      How insulting for the state,

      For what?
      If the USSR was still a regional power, then the Russian Federation was not a power at all. Not even regional. Just a state.
      Therefore, you will put your "grievances for the power" in a fist.
      1. Sergejluf Offline Sergejluf
        Sergejluf (Sergei) 29 January 2021 17: 24
        0
        But what about a breakthrough in agriculture? And is it not the sale of grain by Russia that could lead to a sharp increase in the cost of wheat?
        1. stepet Offline stepet
          stepet 29 January 2021 18: 40
          -4
          Quote: Sergejluf
          But what about a breakthrough in agriculture?

          Well, it's a breakthrough.
          Watch TV less.
          And remember, wheat comes in many varieties. And these varieties are VERY different.
          Therefore, the volume is far from everything.
          The amount of revenue is important.
          And this is in the total volume of export earnings, a penny.
          And if you are about food, then you will not be full of wheat alone.
          And it won't be, it's wheat, if anything. After all, complex fertilizers, all imported. Take them away, and you will have to buy wheat from abroad. Its productivity will fall so much.
      2. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 29 January 2021 17: 59
        +1
        Quote: stepet
        2. Nazi Germany was defeated by the countries of the Anti-Hitler Coalition, CREATED AND LEADED BY THE Anglo-Saxons.

        That's it, everything is on the agitation of Gozman and Yavlinsky, but I just can't understand how your masters were able to start a war with Germany only 5 years after it began, or only in June 1944, when our troops were already liberated (or captured) half of Europe, apparently afraid that the USSR would take possession of all of Europe, although Stalin had to do so.

        Quote: stepet
        then the Russian Federation is not a power at all.

        And why then they go into hysterics in relation to "not a power", because they could have us with "tomahawks", like Yugoslavia and Iraq, but, apparently, it is scary .... And what are they with comrade Ng lisping, apparently too jitters, although it has no more than a dozen nuclear warheads, apparently your masters are afraid to get lyuli, as they received in Vietnam and North Korea. No need to answer, not interesting.
      3. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 7 February 2021 18: 21
        0
        You enlightened your mind,
        You saw the truth clean face
        And dearly loved the nations,
        And he hated his wisdom.

        This is Pushkin about you, innoagentik-gd stepet.
  6. Anatoly Babug Offline Anatoly Babug
    Anatoly Babug (Anatol) 29 January 2021 13: 12
    0
    Yes, the Donbass has long understood what the "Russian world" is in Putin's way. It is cynical to use the population as pressure on Ukraine and wait for a regime change to a completely loyal Kremlin. Then tell the population - "Well, now everything will be fine with you." years unnecessarily.
  7. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 29 January 2021 13: 48
    +4
    Neither the first nor the second Minsk agreements worked and there are no prerequisites for their implementation.
    Repeated referendums and appeals of the DPR-LPR with a request to be admitted to the Russian Federation were and remain not just unanswered, they were not even considered either in the Duma or in the government.
    This fact gives hope for Ukraine to solve the problem on its own with international support.
    At the same time, the Russian Federation has opened points for accepting Russian citizenship by all residents of the DPR-LPR who wish, and there are about 300000 such people.
    This fact predetermines the impossibility of Ukraine's military solution to the problem and is intended to contribute to the implementation of the Minsk agreements.
    Ukraine's desire to join the EU and NATO, to create a NATO naval base in Mariupol further complicates the situation.
    Thus, the situation has reached an impasse and there is no way out.
  8. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 29 January 2021 14: 27
    -4
    Now Donbass is not needed - neither Russia, because it was blown away and did not receive the expected dividends, nor Ukraine to smithereens destroyed regions, for the restoration of which colossal resources are needed, nor the inhabitants of this unfortunate land, which even before the war was a depressed subsidized region, where no there was coal and work, and there was no water and forests, but waste heaps and degraded population remained. A long time ago, already a dozen years ago, research was carried out and Shell began exploratory drilling in the Yuzovskoye field with an area of ​​7 square kilometers and a projected capacity of four trillion cubic meters of shale gas. Therefore, Donbass will be in demand after (no matter how cynical it may sound) a complete clean-up of the territory. At the same time, Russia will not receive anything, Ukraine will receive free gas and some kind of margin in the form of taxes and technologies and equipment, without investing anything in the development of the region, and the main income, naturally, will be received by the companies developing the field ...
    And I am tormented by vague doubts that the war was started on the basis of principle - and I myself will not talk, and I will not give it to another ...
  9. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 29 January 2021 16: 59
    0
    Judging by the title, is there a crossroads between the two?
  10. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 29 January 2021 17: 05
    0
    Russia is not going to "return" Donbass, but will continue to protect the interests of the Russian-speaking population. This was announced to journalists on Friday by the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov, commenting on the statement of Margarita Simonyan, who at the Russian Donbass forum in Donetsk called for the inclusion of these territories in the Russian Federation.

    https://news.mail.ru/politics/45048852/?frommail=1
    That's all. The conversation about this was long ago. And nothing has changed, and will not change. So lovers of couch carnage and blitzkriegs tread the forest.
  11. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 17: 21
    +2
    Let's start with the fact that ALL of their Ukraine is on the map of 1654, within the boundaries of which Ukraine crawled from Poland to Russia, everything else there, to put it mildly, is not Ukrainian. The territory on which the Kharkov region is located today was part of Russia long before Ukraine became part of Russia. Donbass, this is an internal Russian issue and it must be solved the sooner the better, by returning Donbass to Russia!
  12. Eh! Donbass is gone - who needs a poor Ukraine under the leadership of a carpet clown?
  13. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 January 2021 19: 04
    0
    And, you don't know what to write about - you have to write about the "Omerikanskiye Colonii".

    Previously, everyone promised - here the Ukrainians will attack and shed more blood ... (as in Belarus, and in Syria they waited).
    And how it turned out to be zilch - so oyat about Omerika ...