Why was Russia excluded from the race for "lunar trillions"?


Recently it became known that our country was expelled from the expert group on the creation of a circumlunar station Gateway. That is, Roskosmos did not come out on its own, but it was expelled from the “other side”, to which the head of the state corporation replied in the spirit that he didn’t really want to. But, if we leave out of brackets this his trademark bravado, will we not end up with a broken trough in the new "moon race"?


The Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway project is an integral part of the Artemis international satellite exploration program. The near-moon visited orbital station should become a transshipment base for the exploration of the Moon itself and an outpost on the way to Mars and deep space. Despite its "international" status, this space station is in fact American, and the entire project is led by NASA. The USA, Canada, the European Space Agency and Japan became its participants.

Russia was also expected to participate, but the negotiations reached an impasse. Roscosmos was required to create only one docking module for spacewalk, and this had to be done according to American standards. At the same time, the main in the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway was objectively the United States, and they did not agree to the equal status of all other participants, as in the ISS. The head of the domestic state corporation was not satisfied with this format, and in the end they ended up where they ended up, which Dmitry Rogozin commented in his own style:

How can you be excluded from some "lunar group" if we have never been there ?!

Let's put emotions aside and think about whether our country should have taken part in this project at least in second or third roles. We need to understand why today Russia really needs the Moon, and whether it is needed at all. Let's look at the list of US partners in the Artemis Agreements: the European Space Agency, Great Britain, Japan, Canada, Australia, Italy, as well as Luxembourg, the United Arab Emirates and even Ukraine, which have joined them. With the first, everything is clear, these are the most developed countries in the world, but the participation in the project of Arab oil sheikhs, an "offshore wallet", and, of course, Ukraine, which, by the way, also has competencies in the field of space of technologies... What could they all need on the moon? Send a woman and another man there? And that's it, they have no more other problems?

Seriously though, the Earth's satellite is a treasure trove of trillions of dollars of minerals that have fallen on it with asteroids for millions of years. These are all kinds of rare earth metals, and helium-3, which can potentially be used as a source of energy. It is clear that at the current level of technology development, industrial development and delivery of all these resources to Earth is unlikely to be profitable. But this is only for now.

It is not hard to guess that the main goal of this lunar program will be to “stake out” the most delicious territories in terms of resource extraction for the future. The moon is considered a universal value, but President Trump has already issued a regulation according to which the United States does not recognize the Agreement on the activities of states on the moon. Whoever did it, he ate it. It would be naive to expect that the first Americans, British, French, Italians and other gentlemen with a rich historical experience of colonization who got on the earth's satellite first will share with those who come after them.

This is well understood in Beijing, where they are rapidly developing their own lunar program. The Chinese already have their own lunar rovers, and soil samples were able to deliver to Earth, and visited the far side of the Moon. And they are actively engaged in a super-heavy launch vehicle. It is clear that they will share the resources of Outland with the United States and its satellites.

And what about Russia? Good News in this direction no. The project of the super-heavy launch vehicle "Yenisei", designed to fly to the Moon, has been shelved. The Roscosmos budget is constantly being sequestered. There are technologies, but there is no money for their implementation. Participation in the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway was a chance to somehow participate in the upcoming section of space resources, but it was missed. What then remains? Probably, the only option for Russia not to be left on the sidelines by a broken trough may be an attempt to assemble its own coalition from countries that are not included in the list of the closest friends of the United States, and launch its own alternative lunar project in the format of international cooperation.
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  1. oderih Offline oderih
    oderih (Alex) 28 January 2021 12: 13
    +1
    Earthlings haven't mastered Antarctica yet. No Man's Land. We'll be in time and deal with the moon.
  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 January 2021 12: 24
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    If the Americans create their own company with the involvement of others, why does not Russia cooperate with China in the development of lunar riches ... Journalist D. Rogozin should have entrusted the PR Roscosmos company, and specialists, not chatters, should be engaged in business ...
    1. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
      Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 28 January 2021 13: 34
      +5
      Why do the Chinese need it. China is trying to follow the path of the Soviet Union and wants to do everything on its own so that it will not depend on anyone later.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 January 2021 17: 02
        +4
        You think so, and it is fundamentally wrong, China was always ready to cooperate in order to get technology (the Russian Federation still has them), of course, on favorable terms for itself, but this is a matter of bargaining and agreements ... In serious matters. even the printers of dollars, - the USA is pulling up developed countries, - Japan, etc.
        1. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
          Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 28 January 2021 17: 10
          +3
          The fact of the matter is that cooperation presupposes an equal distribution of rights, responsibilities and obtaining results. And the Chinese are only interested in technology, those that we still have.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 January 2021 08: 07
            0
            Therefore, cooperation in space should not be with China, but, for example, with India, which competes with China in the region and has its own space ambitions.
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 29 January 2021 16: 15
              +2
              It will not work with India, it goes under the United States because of the danger of China, which has become more powerful ... The world is already divided into two camps: China with the Russian Federation and Iran, and the rest of the US hangers-on ...
              1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 January 2021 16: 20
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                Well, India will decide for herself whom to use. She has good constructive relations with the Russian Federation, and the United States was not invited to Artemis. I wanted to write about cooperation with Iran, but resisted. I can imagine how it will be presented. fellow
                1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 29 January 2021 16: 33
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                  One should not miss the main, inevitable clash between the United States and the PRC (perhaps the transition to the Cold War and the pumping of allies has already begun, and everything can happen there, especially if the United States begins to weaken - the latest events in the United States). Therefore, the opposition will only heat up with all the consequences. And Russia and India, according to the situation on opposite sides of the barricades ... In the meantime, India buys weapons from the Russian Federation against the PRC, but this will soon end ...
                  1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 January 2021 16: 50
                    +4
                    To be honest, I don't directly see the US weakening.
                    I see the prerequisites for a major internal conflict, but their army and economy did not become weaker from this.
                    Russia needs not to be in the same trench with the PRC, but to build its own integration project in the post-Soviet space. Then other allies will catch up.
                    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 29 January 2021 17: 13
                      +1
                      If the PRC is defeated, the next will be the Russian Federation (previously the Russian Federation was pressed and wanted to take Russia out of the game), and they won’t become vandal, they’ll sweep away in one fell swoop, a typical fate of cunning people who want to survive all the revelations in the bushes, but such a fate is the worst ...
                      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                        Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 January 2021 17: 21
                        +3
                        Rather, the globalists will simply force the Chinese to play by their own rules with economic and political pressure. Why do they need a war with a nuclear power. Similarly with Russia, it will be even easier here ...
                      2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 29 January 2021 18: 14
                        +1
                        The problem is that China is a completely different world and globalists cannot find the keys. So they rush about, not knowing the way out, putting pressure on the PRC, and they consider the globalists to be monkeys who recently climbed down from the tree and want to command everything ...
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 31 January 2021 14: 35
                        -1
                        The problem is that China is a completely different world and globalists cannot find the keys.

                        The Chinese are exactly the same people as everyone else. You don't need to make some kind of aliens out of them.

                        and those consider the globalists to be monkeys who recently climbed down from the tree and want to command everything ...

                        True, they themselves go to learn from "monkeys", buy and steal technologies from "monkeys", etc. :)
                      4. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 31 January 2021 17: 37
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                        The development of technology and technology is a profitable business for several decades (the experience of Japan), the many-thousand-year morality and self-awareness of the people is also a profitable business. only thousands of years are needed ... This is superfluous for superficial judgments ... For the convictions of the moment, why even the depth of the question, it is enough to poke at some temporary fact ...
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 31 January 2021 17: 42
                        -1
                        the thousands of years of morality and self-awareness of the people is also a profitable business. only millennia are needed.

                        And in what way is the morality of the Chinese deeper than the morality and self-consciousness of the Americans?

                        This I do not even touch on the difference between the self-consciousness of the Chinese in the 19th century and, for example, today.
                      6. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 31 January 2021 17: 54
                        +1
                        You have to put everything on the shelves, what is American morality, this is the morality of a congregation of different people without a foundation, when well-being is built by a multibillion-dollar rain of dollars like heavenly manna (how many trillions is the state debt?), And at the first good shock it turns into hell (uprising blacks in the 70s), now there will be confrontations of three forces - whites, blacks and Latinos, and when the crisis really squeezes and the dollar rain dries up, we will see this American morality in all its glory ... Note: if such questions, there is nothing to discuss with you, first to raise the level of understanding (at least education) ...
                      7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 31 January 2021 21: 46
                        -1
                        what is American morality, it is the morality of a gathering of different people without a foundation

                        Ahaha) If you think that under the concept of "Chinese" there is one nationality, then you are not just an ignoramus, but also a racist, for whom "all Chinese are the same."

                        and at the first good shock it turns to hell

                        Do you read about the Chinese uprisings somehow, well, at least read something on this topic :)
                      8. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 1 February 2021 17: 31
                        +2
                        Again, we need to clarify: the Chinese are Han people, so you can say, and their 92% of the population of the PRC, not Chinese (Uighurs and others) with other people. So again advice, - to get literacy with teachers, it seems that it is impossible for myself .. ...
  • Vadim Ananyin Offline Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin (Vadim Ananyin) 28 January 2021 12: 26
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    1. The question is that the development of the moon is a rather costly project, even at the initial stage.
    2. The economy of even the EU today is not at its best as in the United States.
    3. Whether This Coalition has all the competencies in this matter, not quite.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 January 2021 13: 45
      +1
      2. The economy of even the EU today is not at its best as in the United States.

      That's right, that's why we chose cooperation.

      Whether This Coalition has all the competencies in this matter, not quite.

      This coalition has more competences in the aggregate than others. The Americans have experience in manned flights to the moon and interplanetary spacecraft, the Europeans and the Japanese have experience in asteroid research, construction of large residential and research modules for the ISS.
      1. Vadim Ananyin Offline Vadim Ananyin
        Vadim Ananyin (Vadim Ananyin) 3 February 2021 16: 13
        0
        Amers' experience in building the ISS was obtained at the expense of the USSR, and all the others too. But how will they handle this question?
        No, I will not deny that they have achieved something in these areas, but something tells me that not everything is just that. Well, even if we do not participate in their (works), then nothing terrible will happen.
  • nov_tech.vrn Offline nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 28 January 2021 12: 49
    0
    In the project of the "international" lunar "sawmill" Russia was supposed to play the role of a free technology donor. Project Moon - USA and Six is ​​intended to fund the US space program and no one else. As for the marginal space technologies, the maximum they can count on is the supply of flight attendants, if they are good enough, taking into account the experience of long-range combatants.
    1. Anatoly Babug Offline Anatoly Babug
      Anatoly Babug (Anatol) 29 January 2021 13: 17
      -2
      What technologies does Russia have today that it can donate to the United States?
  • Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 28 January 2021 14: 08
    -2
    And what about Russia? - it is rapidly sliding down to the level of the Third World countries with low scientific and technological progress, a constant increase in the gap between the poor and the rich, it is a raw material appendage of the world economy, there is practically no freedom of a market economy, democratic guarantees and standards, economic and legal human rights ...
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  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 January 2021 14: 14
    +1
    The main reason, I think, is to keep Russia out of high technology. Russia already, itself cannot build anything, in space. 10 years for sure. Well at least something flies. An article, another statement of the fact that mediocrities are leading us!

    The bottom of the ocean, like the island of Monte Cristo,
    like a star in space, there is wealth for the people
    Enough for three hundred years, and maybe forever.
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  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 28 January 2021 17: 26
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    There is a microcosm, we observe it through a microscope. And there is a macrocosm, we can admire it through a telescope. They don't build ships into the microcosm and no one is going to fly there, thank God.

    But with the macrocosm, the Cosmos, the picture is completely different. People do not understand that the Cosmos, like the microcosm, is not for them. Space is of interest mainly to scientists.

    Now a person has nothing to do there. Space is waiting for the AI ​​to arrive. This does not mean that the road to other worlds is closed to a person, it is just that this road must be sought elsewhere, on Earth.

    smile Why not search? Jesus openly and more than once uttered an interesting phrase, and this is recorded in various sources.

    - I, he said, are not of this world!

    At that time it was considered crazy, but you and I are educated people, aren't we? drinks
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 31 January 2021 14: 36
      -2
      but we are educated people,

      You - no, of course :)
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 31 January 2021 18: 09
        +1
        Cyril, be a man, know how to lose. laughing
  • Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 28 January 2021 20: 36
    +1
    Moon exploration is very expensive. Mastering will begin when the costs pay off and companies or concerns begin to receive "zero" profits! So far, the things connected with telecommunications and communications are paying off ... To extract resources on the Moon ... the cost price will be gold! ... And it's not worth getting involved in the lunar race to extract resources from Russia. Moreover, on the second or third roles.
  • FrankyStein Offline FrankyStein
    FrankyStein (FrankyStein) 29 January 2021 03: 03
    +1
    IMHO, a manned station in lunar orbit, a la ISS, a stupid undertaking. What about radiation without the earth's magnetic belt? What will the physical condition of the astronauts be after a long stay there? What to do there, if even on the ISS astronauts, by and large, are playing the fool.
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 29 January 2021 14: 14
    -2
    Roscosmos was required to create only one docking module for spacewalk, and this had to be done according to American standards. At the same time, the main in the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway was objectively the United States, and they did not agree to the equal status of all other participants, as in the ISS. The head of the domestic state corporation did not like this format ...

    - Didn't suit - why?
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 29 January 2021 16: 17
    -1
    Why publish a crazy post? Rare earth elements are concentrated on the moon through the fall of ASTEROIDS. Not meteorites, but asteroids? Over the course of millions of years - strangely - the moon is 4,5 billion, and asteroids only fell in millions. When colliding with an asteroid from the moon, a volume of matter is thrown out larger than that of the asteroid itself - the laws of physics. Helium-3 arriving at the moon on asteroids is a masterpiece. With a solar wind - wherever it went.
    In short, Russia, to all appearances, will start growing apples on Mars, bypassing the development of helium 3 on the moon (which is a fucking cloud - 1 gram per 100 !!! tons in the thinnest layer of the surface).
    If we discard all the nonsense about the development of fossils, today the moon makes sense only for the development of technologies and for military purposes.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 January 2021 16: 57
      +1
      Quote: AlexZN
      Over the course of millions of years - strangely - the moon is 4,5 billion, and asteroids only fell in millions.

      Billions are made up of millions. You can't be subtly mocking, it turns out stupid.

      Helium-3, arriving at the moon on asteroids, is generally a masterpiece. With a solar wind - wherever it went.

      Well, yes, because you wrote it, this article was not written. laughing
    2. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 21: 01
      +1
      When colliding with an asteroid from the moon, a volume of matter is thrown out larger than that of the asteroid itself - the laws of physics.

      Question .. where is it thrown away? The moon also has gravity. Not like the Earth, but still .. so where is it thrown away?
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 30 January 2021 21: 21
        +1
        It is thrown into open space and it is precisely the absence of the atmosphere that leads to the fact that upon the impact of ASTEROID (which is at least 30 m), a sufficiently large crater and a cloud of dust and asteroid fragments are formed. The pillar is so large that it turns into a "tail" of the moon and the dust has no time to settle on the surface. Here are meteorites - yes, they usually just burrow in the dust.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 21: 29
          +2
          It is thrown into open space and it is the absence of the atmosphere

          Yes, but gravity is. And it is "only" six times lower than earth's gravity.

          What "launch into outer space" are you talking about? Everything settles back .. Gravity! After all, the same asteroids, it is gravity to the moon and are attracted. (Otherwise you would look, and flew past - into the earth.

          Otherwise, in your opinion, what would be left of that moon?)
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 29 January 2021 16: 47
    -2
    We were not hired because of the newest Baikal-M superprocessor, produced according to the 28 nm process technology, which will actually make the module heavier by several tons.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 29 January 2021 17: 27
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Quote: AlexZN
    Over the course of millions of years - strangely - the moon is 4,5 billion, and asteroids only fell in millions.

    Billions are made up of millions. You can't be subtly mocking, it turns out stupid.

    Helium-3, arriving at the moon on asteroids, is generally a masterpiece. With a solar wind - wherever it went.

    Well, yes, because you wrote it, this article was not written. laughing

    Then within seconds - minutes, hours are added from them ...

    Seriously though, the earth's satellite is a trillion dollar storehouse of minerals that are millions of years old. hit it with asteroids. These are all kinds of rare earth metals, and helium-3
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 30 January 2021 21: 49
    +1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    It is thrown into open space and it is the absence of the atmosphere

    Yes, but gravity is. And it is "only" six times lower than earth's gravity.

    What "launch into outer space" are you talking about? Everything settles back .. Gravity! Otherwise, in your opinion, what would be left of that moon?)

    No, it doesn't settle! More precisely, not in full. This is normal physics. When an object with a mass of thousands \ millions of tons falls, the ejection of the column will be so powerful that ... If you complicate it, then you have to take into account how much dust the earth and the sun will pull down, giving the maximum gravitational disturbance. A year ago, a meteorite weighing 45 kg left a crater 15 m long, crashing at a speed of 17 km / sec. Imagine what would happen if an asteroid with a mass of 100 tons crashed at this speed. The return ejection is enough 000 km / sec to overcome gravity.