Between Munich and Davos: Putin is tired of warning the West


The speech of the President of Russia, after a rather long break (11 years), took part in the World Economic Forum in Davos, albeit held in the format of a video conference, as expected, became the subject of the most close attention and deep analysis. It has already been “disassembled” by phrase, by word, and is hotly discussed both abroad and in our country.


At the same time, some domestic experts express a certain disappointment: they say, this speech was neither a continuation of the famous Munich 2007, nor any new version of it. However, such an opinion, perhaps, is expressed only by those who did not delve deeply enough into the meaning of the words of the head of our state, and most importantly, failed to compare them with the specific geopolitical context of today.


Russia-West: from hopes to skepticism


First of all, it should be noted that everything that Vladimir Vladimirovich said the day before within the framework of the Davos Forum serves as a continuation of his speech at the Munich conference on international security, which excited the whole world. Below we will talk about this, touching on specific topics. In the meantime, let's dwell on the fact that if his current speech were more or less a complete repetition of what was said 13 years ago, it would be at least strange. It is hardly possible to deny that during this rather long period, filled, moreover, with a mass of various events, our domestic leader, like every person, has changed. And the world around us has undergone a significant transformation, and, alas, for the most part, not for the better. If Putin continued to repeat all the same things as before, it would look completely frivolous - today the revelations so stunned in 2007 by our "sworn friends" about Russia's intentions to turn its own sovereignty and the right to an independent foreign policies from declarations into reality would sound rather comical. Something like the familiar anecdotal "The Ministry of Health warns for the last time ..."

The time for Russia to designate its own position and status, to voice its well-founded claims to return to the role of a world power has long passed. In fact, in Munich, Putin simply openly stated that Moscow would no longer dutifully follow in the wake of the West's globalist agenda, while trampling on its own interests and dignity. He was not heard. Rather, they found in his speech exactly what they wanted: “aggressive aspirations”, “exorbitant claims”, “a desire to scare the West and force it to make concessions” ... At the same time, as usual, they decided that everything that was said was just empty the words.

Well, after that there were already Tskhinvali, Crimea, Karabakh and many other things, including the launches of hypersonic missiles, proving that the then words of the president were not a "bluff". What's the point now, when NATO is trying to drag Georgia and Ukraine into it, repeating the 2007 claims about the treachery of the North Atlantic Alliance, which promised "not to expand to the East"? Or again to talk about "the maximum advancement of his forces to the borders of Russia"? Then they did not hear, and now they will ignore it. But as for the thesis expressed by Putin in Munich about "the unacceptability and impossibility of a unipolar world", it is in his Davos speech that he draws a line under this topic, declaring that, in fact, "there has never been any unipolar world." There was only an attempt to create it, and even that, according to the president, "has already ended." For those who do not quite understand, with these words Vladimir Vladimirovich is not something that "takes out of the brackets" all of Washington's claims to the role of "world hegemon." They nullify them. Absolutely concretely denies them the right to exist. In Munich, he complained about attempts to "impose the American system on other states."

Now he proclaims (and repeatedly throughout his speech) the actual collapse of this very system, repeatedly pointing out its complete failure. Let's face it, he pours salt on his wounds and does not spare his pride, mentioning the political mess that has recently taken place in the United States and talking about the flawedness of their built on financial "bubbles" economics... At the same time, the process of degradation of humanity, hundreds of millions of young representatives of which today have neither work nor education, Putin directly calls the disastrous consequence of the "Washington Consensus". In fact, most of the Davos speech is a very thorough admission of dislike for overseas "friends" ...

Spoiled presidential phone or deaf-mute "dialogue"


All this sounds especially significant in light of the fact that just before his speech at the forum, Vladimir Putin held his first telephone talks with the new US President Joe Biden. Tellingly, each of the parties ultimately presented its official version of the conversation, and they differed from one another very radically. The Kremlin mentioned the main thing - reaching a consensus on the extension of the START-3 treaty and "considering the prospects for cooperation in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic," the rest fit into a short wording: "discussion of topical issues on the international and bilateral agenda." Among other things, which very, very clearly expresses the position of Moscow, the "internal Ukrainian settlement" is mentioned in passing. This is not the wording of White House press secretary Jen Psaki, who claimed that Biden called Putin primarily to "strongly express support for Ukraine's sovereignty in the face of ongoing Russian aggression." And also - to make a strict suggestion about Navalny ...

Ultimately, one gets the impression that we are talking either about two different conversations, or on both sides of the ocean, the communication of the presidents and Russian-American relations as such are interpreted diametrically differently. The point, of course, is the second. Biden - Biden, and Anthony Blinken, who replaced Mike Pompeo as head of the US State Department, has already managed to say enough in a very short time so that no one has any illusions about the future course of Washington. The same Navalny, this figure pompously called "the voice of many Russians, which cannot be drowned out." And in general, according to the Secretary of State, the White House intends in the near future to "review and analyze all the malicious actions of Russia." Naturally, first of all, “in order to develop appropriate response measures”. Blinken has already announced sanctions for placing a "prominent oppositionist" on the bunk.

Another “echo of Munich” in Putin’s Davos speech is the mention of the complete “degradation of the global collective security system” and the need for either a complete “reset” of the international organizations that are formally responsible for it, or even creation of instead of the current ones, which have turned into fiction, new, efficient and viable structures. In 2007, Vladimir Vladimirovich was still trying to remind the audience that "force in international relations" can be used exclusively on the basis of the provisions of the UN Charter. Now he, like all adequate world leaders, understands perfectly well that the mentioned document is no longer worth the paper it was printed on. In 2007, our president complained about "the transformation of the OSCE into a vulgar instrument of securing the interests of some countries at the expense of others." In this case, what would be worth saying about the current status of another "European institution" - PACE?

This "assembly" has now turned into not just a place for Russophobic sabbaths, but also a platform for those who openly speak out with provocative calls for a coup d'etat in our country! The question arises: is it worth our delegation to continue to participate in such dubious shows after the latest events that happened the day before? During the "debate over the arrest of Navalny," which resulted in a completely ugly obstruction of both Russia and its representatives, the speech of our deputy Leonid Slutsky was simply rudely interrupted by PACE Vice President Nicole Triss, who clearly did not like the principled, clear and well-grounded the position of the speaker. But she did not even think of doing anything like that when the representative of Ukraine Oleksiy Goncharenko from the rostrum of the Assembly appealed to the Russians to “take to the streets” and overthrow “the worst regime of the XNUMXst century”, which “is killing people all over the world”. In my opinion, after such tricks, Russia's participation in PACE should not even be a subject of discussion.

Addressing the participants of the forum in Davos, Vladimir Putin was extremely frank. Having made a reservation that he hoped that "the third world war is impossible in principle", the president could not resist comparing the present day with the alarming and pre-stormy 30s of the twentieth century. He directly pointed out that "attempts by some countries to resolve their own internal contradictions by turning into enemies of others" will inevitably lead to the emergence of armed conflicts. At the same time, so that no one had any doubts about what exactly he was talking about, the President made a clear reservation that today the West has chosen Russia as such a bogey "external threat". According to Putin, the "spiraling" international contradictions could ultimately plunge the world into ultimate chaos and nightmare. Speaking of a "disruption in world development" and a war "of all against all", our leader does not mean a banal clash of several states or even military blocs. It is, in fact, about the Apocalypse, and not necessarily nuclear ...

The main thing, in my opinion, is the impression left by the speech in Davos - Putin is tired of warning the West. It seems that he no longer really hopes to shout out, to reach out to those leaders in the "world community" who are able to soberly assess the situation and make adequate decisions. It is very possible that Vladimir Vladimirovich the further, the more he doubts the presence of those, at least in key positions. The Russian president is trying to say the right, unifying and inspiring things. What else would you order him to do? After all, he is the leader of a world power, the position obliges. However, the main difference between the speeches in Munich and Davos, alas, is that the first was delivered with hope, and the second with bitter disappointment. However, the main thing is that both of them sounded from the lips of a leader who really looks at things and does not intend to retreat from the chosen path.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 January 2021 14: 00
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    who is able to soberly assess the situation and make adequate decisions.

    The article is of course correct. But how long can you state the facts? When Putin throws slogans, comes out with all sorts of messages, does he not own and evaluate the situation? No, 20 years is a very long time to adequately make decisions when his friends do the opposite, for which they called for. In my opinion, it is useless to turn to Putin. He does not control the situation and is not responsible for anything!
  2. Denis radish Offline Denis radish
    Denis radish (Denis Moroz) 28 January 2021 15: 00
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    So what's next? to pull down the rusted iron curtain? and what does Russia have besides a nuclear club? What can she offer the World? Even the world community refuses to accept the vaccine, because it is Russian! Russia is being squeezed out of all those few spheres of influence through which it could declare itself. Russia is obviously lagging behind in terms of technology, in terms of science. The world does not even come close to driving cars developed in Russia, does not fly on its planes, does not use its computers and telephones, does not launch satellites on its rockets, is not shocked by the achievements of the Russian space program, even relatively few people in the world take Russian weapons. That is why our country has taken a bite at the Arctic and this "Nord Stream", because this is the last fortpost. That's all the "achievements" after Munich. The scale of the same Stalin for the same time is simply incomparable.
    1. antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
      antibi0tikk (Sergei) 29 January 2021 09: 54
      +3
      Duc and squeezed out "of all those few spheres of influence" just because Russia is ahead in terms of technology. The situation in aviation is a prime example of this. As soon as they did something new and advanced, immediately there were sanctions and bans. And so, they take the vaccine from Russia, and buy weapons, and drive cars, etc. etc.
      To be honest, it makes me feel a little crazy that Russia is being compared to the whole world. The same Koreans and Japanese make cool cars and phones, but they can't even make a simple plane, they don't fly into space, they don't make submarines, they don't have their own vaccines, etc. The Germans make planes, but not themselves, but all over Europe.
      In order for Russia's GDP to increase even by half a percent, it is necessary to invest money in Sabbeta, Ust-Luga, and the Americans printed 3 trillion, distributed to the population, so the GDP grew by a couple of percent! Cool! Why not be ahead of the whole planet ??? !!!
      In general, there is nothing to whine, go to work and you will be happy!
    2. Sergey Semenov Offline Sergey Semenov
      Sergey Semenov (Sergey Semenov) 30 January 2021 07: 15
      +2
      What can she offer the World?

      Yes, Russia has a huge domestic market.
      You need to focus your efforts on it. And influence the rest of the world where our efforts are effective.
  3. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 28 January 2021 22: 55
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    2007-2008 Russia's share in World GDP was 2,2%. Now, after (counting) years 1,7%. As you can see, less and less, which means that the voice is heard worse and worse. What to do to hear? Ukraine, Syria, Libya and the CAR have already been wasted and stuck there. It is necessary to start something new, since it is impossible to keep up with the World in the economy.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 29 January 2021 14: 20
      +3
      GDP was 2,2%. Now, after (counting) years 1,7%. As seen less and less,

      Where do you always get your numbers?)

      Russia's share in world GDP (PPP) for 2019 3,07%
      Russia is in 7th place after Germany (3,47%) and before Indonesia (2,48%)

      In my opinion, the indicator is not so bad.

      For comparison: Estonia - 120th place. 0,04% (after Bosnia-Getzogovina, and before Mali).
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 29 January 2021 20: 31
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        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        Russia's share in world GDP (PPP)

        I have no PPP. You need to know the difference. Your PPP is for internal consumption.
        My exchange rate details.
        Like you PPP is healthy. still FALLS. Share of Russia.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 29 January 2021 21: 57
          +3
          I have no PPP.

          So much the worse for you))

          You need to know the difference.

          If you knew it, you would also know that the indicator for the nominal value of GDP is actual and does not take into account the difference in prices for similar goods and services in different countries.

          Since prices in developed countries are higher than in developing countries, the nominal GDP of developed countries is somewhat overestimated, and the nominal GDP of developing countries is somewhat underestimated. A more objective measure is GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP), which takes into account the difference in the cost of living in different countries. PPP GDP more accurately determines the standard of living for citizens within their countries, without actual (nominal) comparison based on a single indicator.

          Wiki

          But even at the "face value", Russia takes a worthy 11th place in the world, and your Estonia is 98m, somewhere between Sudan and Honduras. You can be proud now and tell your grandchildren.)
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 29 January 2021 22: 29
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            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            Russia takes a worthy 11th place in the world, and your Estonia is 98m,

            For the inhabitants of Estonia, it is not a place in the world that is important, but a place in an apartment, in a garage and in a refrigerator.
            How is it in the country on the 11th place worthy?
            Average salary 2020 - Estonia 32 place in the world ranking. RF -54.
            Or is the provision of housing in the Russian Federation something unique, 25m2 has already been scraped up per person?
            Or is the provision of personal transport higher than Estonian?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 29 January 2021 22: 52
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              Average salary 2020 - Estonia 32 place in the world ranking. RF -54.

              Again, this is a par comparison. What is the point of comparing it, excluding the cost of living? And according to PPP, everything is much more modest. Your salaries are below the European average, and in some places prices are even higher. After all, you produce a little, everything is imported. Food products are imported, and therefore expensive. Rented housing is also expensive, utility bills also make themselves felt. What's the use of some conditional figure (in euros), if the sum is in the end, you somehow have enough to live a month? If a working person earning an average of 1000-1200 € can still make ends meet, then a pensioner with his 500 € per month is quite difficult.

              Or is the provision of personal transport higher than Estonian?

              I don’t know about your provision of personal transport, maybe you have it good, but it doesn’t matter, since the car today is no longer some kind of special indicator of the standard of living. There are also many personal vehicles in Russia. I have never been interested in these statistics.
              1. stepet Offline stepet
                stepet 29 January 2021 23: 11
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                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                What's the use of some conditional figure (in euros), if the sum is in the end, you somehow have enough to live a month?

                Welfare of the median (average) citizen in the post-USSR:
                38 Estonia 676.49%
                42 Lithuania 604.43%
                60 Latvia 362.42%
                76 Armenia 225.60%
                78 Belarus 215.34%
                80 Turkmenistan 189.36%
                83 Kazakhstan 180.34%
                90 Moldova 158.97%
                98 Georgia 141.90%
                99 Azerbaijan 139.83%
                109 Russia 100.00%
                121 Kyrgyzstan 65.49%
                132 Tajikistan 43.14%
                143 Ukraine 33.21%
                Credit Suisse data.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 29 January 2021 23: 23
                  +3
                  Welfare of the median (average) citizen in the post-USSR:

                  Well, I see some abstract figures that explain absolutely nothing. Only the PPP comparison gives an objective picture.
                  1. stepet Offline stepet
                    stepet 29 January 2021 23: 39
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                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Only the PPP comparison gives an objective picture.

                    And the simple thought that a person is not a chain dog and can easily travel around the world does not come to mind?
                    Besides, the PPP comparison is bullshit.
                    It tries to explain to the suckers that the pants of the Krivorukaya seamstress factory are the same as Levi's jeans.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 01: 02
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                      And the simple thought that a person is not a chain dog and can easily travel around the world does not come to mind?

                      And what do you mean by that ??
                      That Estonians can be found “all over the world” more often than Russians?
                      Do not make me laugh. More often Russians, I personally, have never met ANYONE anywhere.)) Even Ukrainians, quite often. But the Estonian - not a single one, honestly! And I travel "all over the world" quite a lot.

                      Besides, the PPP comparison is bullshit. It tries to explain to the suckers that the pants of the Krivorukaya seamstress factory are the same as Levice jeans.

                      I won't even answer). I have never heard anything funnier.)))
                      1. stepet Offline stepet
                        stepet 30 January 2021 11: 24
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                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        That Estonians can be found “all over the world” more often than Russians?

                        As a percentage of the number of residents, not many times, but BY ORDER more.
                        A significant percentage of Estonians do not live permanently in Estonia at all.

                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        More often Russians, I personally, have never met ANYONE anywhere.)) Even Ukrainians, quite often.

                        This is because you go to cheap places.

                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        I won’t even answer

                        So you can’t object to this.
                        Therefore, you take the pose of a "thinker".
                        =
                        The population of this planet mainly consists of suckers from third world countries. Or endured, if that's more clear to you.
                        These suckers need to somehow breed, spud. So that they don't riot and work hard and silently. To this end, the elites (national, but most often transnational) come up with different kinds of bullshit.
                        One of the most well-known distributions of this kind is the PPP GDP.
                        This "economic indicator" has nothing to do with the economy at all. But on the other hand, it very regularly INCREASES the indicators of the third world countries (and their population) and LOWERS the indicators of the countries of the first and second worlds (and their population).
                        Terpils from third world countries are pleased. Therefore, they relish the PPP GDP. Which is inherently bullshit.
                        Remember the song?
                        "You don't need a knife on a fool, you will lie to him with three boxes, and do with him what you like."
                        This is just the case.
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 13: 03
                        +4
                        As a percentage of the number of residents, not many times, but BY ORDER more.

                        Ahh .. well, if in percentage, then yes ..
                        Then you will meet the residents of the Vatican or Nauru Island the most.))

                        This is because you go to cheap places.

                        Ah, well, yes .. Estonians then - oh th .. salary is already 1200 €! )
                        This is at least a "five stars, ocean view" hotel .. (3 times a year, 2 weeks each!))
                        It’s not funny for yourself?

                        The population of this planet mainly consists of suckers from third world countries. Or endured, if that's more clear to you.

                        Which of these two categories do you include?)

                        Terpils from third world countries are pleased. Therefore, they relish the PPP GDP. Which is inherently bullshit.

                        That is, you are now claiming that the definition of GDP (PPP) is a concept exclusively for "suckers of third world countries"? Do I understand you correctly?

                        You know, I was not too lazy, I looked and read your other posts.
                        Everywhere, the same thing .... some kind of "manic-depressive" outbursts of emotions, pitiful, convulsive attempts to give examples in "timetable / calculating" form, from "some kind of finger", sucked "numbers" .. Delirium of a madman, right!

                        Are you sure you can convince someone here?
                      3. stepet Offline stepet
                        stepet 30 January 2021 13: 42
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                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        Then you will meet the residents of the Vatican or Nauru Island the most.))

                        Do you check everyone's passports?

                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        Ah, well, yes .. Estonians then - oh th .. salary is already 1200 €! )

                        And what about those working in Germany and other France?
                        Have you forgotten that the EU is a single confederate state?
                        And a citizen of this state (Estonians are its citizens) has the right to live and work wherever he wants.
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 14: 41
                        +2
                        Do you check everyone's passports?

                        The same question for you. You are making statements very confidently.

                        Have you forgotten that the EU is a single confederate state?

                        What, what, what?)

                        EU - Confederate State?) Everything is clear with you ..

                        Run to school! (it's never too late).

                        PS. The rest is so stupid, and in order to answer this, you need to go down to your level.
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    2. Clement Offline Clement
      Clement (Clementius) 7 February 2021 02: 28
      0
      I read your comments, it seems to me that you are either deliberately ... carrying, or you yourself really believe in the nonsense that you write, the confederate state about the EU was especially impressed. I read it several times and was surprised.
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 10: 38
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    Quote: stepet
    109 Russia 100.00%

    They made me laugh ...
    What a murky rating from Credit Suisse .. When you give such data from the UN, you can trust them.
    For the sake of solidity, at least also a link to the source.
    You would also e Putin to me as an example of the middle class of 70% of the population in the Russian Federation for 20 rubles.
    The best indicator of a country's well-being is the feet of its citizens. Russia is dying out.
    For 2020 MINUS 600 000 thousand is the MINIMUM!
    1. stepet Offline stepet
      stepet 30 January 2021 11: 11
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      Quote: Vladest
      They made me laugh ...

      For some, it is enough to show a finger for this.
      And not even average.

      Quote: Vladest
      What a muddy rating from Credit Suisse ..

      Do you trust the information from the Department of Agitation and Propaganda of the Central Committee of the CPSU more?

      Quote: Vladest
      For the sake of solidity, at least also a link to the source.

      The source of the information was indicated to you.
      Then look for it on their website yourself.

      Quote: Vladest
      Russia is dying out.
      For 2020 MINUS 600 000 thousand is the MINIMUM!

      Not 600 thousand, but 500 thousand
      But these are the details.
      And according to the trend, everything is logical.
      The Russian economy cannot adequately feed such a horde of eaters.
      And then the population will decline more rapidly.
      Since the revenues from oil and gas will inevitably decrease. And the Russians have NO other income.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 11: 45
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        Quote: stepet
        Not 600 thousand, but 500 thousand

        It's hard to be precise here. In the Russian Federation, such information is not favored. On the website of the Russian Federation on "achievements in national projects, there is such data for 7 months of 2020 minus 316K.
        Website -https: //ng.ach.gov.ru/
        Divide by 7, multiply by 12 we get 542K and this is without the autumn-winter epidemic. Will be under 700K.
        A drop in fertility is a normal process and is compensated by migration from outside.
        There is even a ministry in Canada.
        1. stepet Offline stepet
          stepet 30 January 2021 12: 08
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          Quote: Vladest
          A drop in fertility is a normal process and is compensated by migration from outside.
          There is even a ministry in Canada.

          It is appropriate to compensate for the drop in the birth rate where it is possible to feed migrants WITHOUT REDUCING THE LIVING STANDARDS OF THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION. In the same Canada, for example, if we consider all those born there as indigenous, as they believe.
          It doesn't work that way in Russia.
          More and more shortfalls in income from the sale of Russian oil and gas (and no other income), the population subconsciously tries to compensate by reducing the number of eaters. But for the Soviet people (and the neo-Bolsheviks are in power in the Russian Federation now), this is not Feng Shui.
          Therefore, migration to the Russian Federation from other, less wealthy countries, and above all from the post-USSR, is encouraged. As a result, the standard of living of other Russians is only declining. And this only increases the tension in society. And there is no benefit to anyone.
      2. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 13: 09
        +1
        They made me laugh ...

        Guys, you are good at making each other laugh!

        Maybe you both will finally turn into a "personal", and there, already in full measure, will open to each other, the entire depth of your "hyperintelligence"?))
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      3. Clement Offline Clement
        Clement (Clementius) 7 February 2021 02: 36
        +1
        You also tell me that the EU has a better demography ... As soon as you breed homosexuals in your EU, your demography will change a lot ... mark my word, people will go to Russia in search of a better life, all those who will not accept your liberal transgender values. When choosing to live with homosexuals but in abundance, or to live without chic, but as in the good old days, most of those who are adequate will choose the latter
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 00: 05
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    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    I do not know about your provision of personal transport, maybe you have a good one, but it doesn't matter,

    This is very important. The car is very expensive. In Estonia, cars are 10 -20 %% more expensive than in Russia, but this does not prevent having 550 cars per 1000 inhabitants, in contrast to 370 in Russia. If a person has money to buy a car, then for everything else too.
    In addition, public transport is free practically throughout Estonia. In Tallinn for all residents. Not only for beneficiaries. For all. So it is between. city, except for a few areas. This is especially beneficial for the less wealthy.
    And who and how makes ends meet this personal skill. So judge here. People have already gone to Estonia. I don’t know how in 2020, but the three previous years, migration is in the black.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 00: 55
      +4
      this does not prevent us from having 550 cars per 1000 inhabitants, in contrast to the Russian 370.

      Please consider the fertility factor. It is lower in Estonia than in Russia. This means that there are more adults and fewer children in 1000 Estonian residents. That is, in the average Estonian family there are 1,6 children, in the Russian - traditional - 2. Children a priori do not have a car, and the calculation is based on a total of 1000 people. Hence the statistically overstated figure.

      If a person has money to buy a car, then for everything else too.

      Is not a fact. Depends on prioritization (and mental as well). You can buy a car and drive with a bare ass. And you can spend money on something else. Go on vacation, for example.
      As I said, in Russia, a car has long ceased to be an indicator of wealth. I will not argue that Russians drive exclusively new foreign cars. To whom the pocket allows. That, in principle, can be said about any other country, and Estonia is no exception.

      In addition, public transport is free practically throughout Estonia. In Tallinn for the residents' milestones. Not only for beneficiaries. For all.

      Yeah, I know. I consider this a good achievement for Estonians. There is a really small "conflict" in the context of the EU, but while the rest of the members "forgive" you, use this benefit for your health. Here I am only happy for you.

      People have already gone to Estonia. I don’t know how in 2020, but the three previous years, migration is in the black.

      I have not heard anything about it (I heard the opposite), but this is not a topic of conversation either. Russia also arrives in population, so there is "nothing" here.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 10: 49
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        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        That is, the average Estonian family has 1,6 children, in the Russian - traditional - 2.

        Well, maybe it's enough to wag? In Estonia, for sure, but abstractly about the Russian Federation, something traditional 2,
        This data is 2016 Estonia 1,6. Russia 1,61.
        You can self-deceive as much as you like. But you shouldn't deceive me.
      2. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 15: 40
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        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        I have not heard anything about it (I heard the opposite), but this is not a topic of conversation either. Russia also arrives in population, so there is "nothing" here.

        So you need to learn to work with information and check what they write to you, otherwise they will deceive.
        I cannot write the same thing here. I answered here one with figures on migration to Estonia for 2017 -2019.
        I am kind of interested in what Putin's patriots can present to me as proof of their qualitative superiority of Russia over Estonia. The size of Russia is not necessary.
    2. Clement Offline Clement
      Clement (Clementius) 7 February 2021 02: 38
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      yeah, well, you are a humorist))) If a person has his own home, then he can buy a car and everything else, and not vice versa
  • Dear sofa expert. 29 January 2021 23: 08
    +4
    Or is the provision of personal transport higher than Estonian?

    Here, I looked, I found this information:

    55% of Estonian families still have only one car in use, it became known from a survey carried out in all three Baltic countries by AS SEB Liising. Only 34% of those surveyed in Estonia reported that their family owns more than one car. On the contrary, in Lithuania, several cars in a family are found in more than half of the cases, and the number of cars continues to grow. In Latvia only 20% of respondents could afford several cars in one family.

    https://www.seb.ee/ru/novosti/2018-09-04/srednyaya-estonskaya-semya-po-prezhnemu-ispolzuet-tolko-odin-avtomobil

    I don’t understand what is so fantastic in your statistics?))
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 10: 53
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      Quote: Dear sofa expert.
      In 55% of families in Estonia

      On your examples, please. With what it is necessary to compare.
      Estonia - RF. RF - Estonia, Then everything will be clear.
      Example: 2019 in Estonia Every 55 inhabitants bought a new car. In Russia, every 70. In this form. Everything is relative.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 12: 28
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        Example: 2019 in Estonia Every 55 inhabitants bought a new car.

        Are you kidding me, or don't you understand what is written?)

        Correctly understand the text, how is it to say in Russian: not "every 55th inhabitant",
        and every 55 of the owners of cars.)).
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 15: 45
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          Quote: Dear sofa expert.
          every 55 inhabitants "

          This is exactly how every 55th. Divided the country's population by the number of cars purchased. Old people and children are all there.
          And I see you are doing psychology here, since you cannot say anything significant about Russia. Everything about me, yes about me. Isn't this love accidental?
  • Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 29 January 2021 10: 51
    +1
    Nothing, rest a little and start again.
  • Dear sofa expert. 29 January 2021 14: 10
    +3
    Jen Psaki, who began to claim that Biden called Putin mainly to "strongly express support for Ukraine's sovereignty in the face of ongoing Russian aggression." And also - to make a strict suggestion about Navalny ...

    Most likely it was like this: Joe Biden wanted to talk about this, but he just forgot, and then forgot to tell Psaki about it, and she thought that the conversation took place and voiced it to the press. )
  • cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 29 January 2021 21: 17
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    Putin is tired of warning the West ...

    Putin is generally tired, for so many years ....!
    Even their own people do not hear him and do not listen! How many of his monthly (“May” and other months) decrees have not been fulfilled, and nothing! And he warned his own people (he threatened them, but forgave them!), And then the whole West ...
    He probably forgot that he must speak to the West from the standpoint of a faucet, otherwise Russia will be forgotten altogether ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 12: 37
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      Putin is generally tired, for so many years ....!

      Yeah, and this is said by a representative of a country, in the history of which, “without regaining consciousness,” and therefore, unexpectedly for himself, the oldest of all who came before him, the president, came to power.)).

      PS Well, 49 years of experience in big politics, that's so, bullshit, I did it with one left .. not tired.
      1. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 30 January 2021 12: 58
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        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        came to power the oldest of all who came before him, the president

        The role of the American president in the United States should not be exaggerated.
        Therefore, the comparison of the American and Russian presidents is not correct.
        Not everyone who calls themselves presidents is actually presidents.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 30 January 2021 13: 17
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          The role of the American president in the United States should not be exaggerated.

          Indeed, not worth it)

          Therefore, the comparison of the American and Russian presidents is not correct.

          I agree!

          Not everyone who calls themselves presidents is actually presidents.

          Wow, Bingo!)

          After all, you can when you want!)))
        2. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 30 January 2021 15: 47
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          Quote: stepet
          The role of the American president in the United States should not be exaggerated.

          In Russia it is necessary to learn how to put in place, even the president, if he is too much.
          1. stepet Offline stepet
            stepet 30 January 2021 16: 38
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            Quote: Vladest
            In Russia it is necessary to learn how to put in place, even the president, if he is too much.

            I already wrote above, not everyone who calls himself the president is in fact.