Let it go: a decision has been made on the cruiser "Ukraine"


The further fate of the missile cruiser "Ukraine" (former "Admiral of the Fleet Lobov", and initially "Komsomolets") of project 1164 "Atlant" was revealed. The Ukrainian government has made the final decision on the unfinished warship, as Ukrainian Vice Prime Minister Oleg Urusky told the local media.


This story has been going on for decades and passes, like a "passing banner", from one government to another

- noted Urusky.

The functionary clarified that it was no longer possible to enter the "Ukraine" into the Ukrainian Navy. The Ministry of Defense abandoned it back in 2017 - there is no money to complete the construction of such a ship, however, there is no point, given its condition. Therefore, the Cabinet decided - to dismantle weapons and equipment, and then try to sell "Ukraine", or dispose of in the absence of a buyer.

Urusky added that the unfinished "Ukraine" really hinders the development of the State Enterprise "Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant". In addition, there is a threat of pollution of the water area of ​​the Bug Estuary and the Dnieper Bay of the Black Sea.


The ship is unlikely to be sold. There are only two theoretical buyers - Russia and China. Moscow will not sell "Ukraine" for reasons of principle, and China simply does not need it. The Celestial Empire is building a fleet of the 21st century, where outdated ships have no place. Moreover, after the story with Motor Sich, Beijing is unlikely to want to have any kind of business relationship with Kiev. It turns out that the only option for a cruiser is to get on with it.

We remind you that in March 2017, the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko signed a decree on the demilitarization of "Ukraine" and scrapping. In July 2019, the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky said in Nikolaev - "I will not let you saw." In December 2020 Turkey suggested Ukraine to load its shipbuilding capacities with joint production of frigates.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 27 January 2021 21: 43
    +10
    It is symbolic. Ukraine on pins and needles.
  2. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 27 January 2021 21: 47
    -4
    Well, if you don't need them, let them sell, frigates are better than waiting until they sink
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 January 2021 22: 49
      +8
      Turkey and Ukraine cannot build any frigates, if only because the Turkish fleet does not have a single Turkish-built frigate. All frigates of the Turkish fleet are built: either in the USA, or in France, or in Germany. The maximum that Turkey could build at its shipyards is a corvette and only God knows how many Turkish components it contains (most likely most of the nodes in these corvettes of Western production) The West has now refused to supply components for UAVs to Turkey, without which the Turks cannot build them. It is doubtful that the West today began to supply Turkey with components for warships. Turkey is not even able to build its own tank (all Turkish tanks are either German or American), like frigates here.
      1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 28 January 2021 09: 28
        -5
        But Ukraine may have built aircraft carriers! Why not build for Turkey's money?
        1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
          sgrabik (Sergei) 28 January 2021 13: 30
          +5
          Exactly, that when it was building, this is all in the past tense and as part of the USSR, now Ukraine cannot build boats on its own, let alone ships !!!
          1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
            Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 28 January 2021 17: 15
            -4
            Maybe so, life will show
        2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 28 January 2021 21: 48
          +4
          Selyuk will build from Ternopil region ??
          Specialists, who died, who dumped to Russia, who tax on the old "kopeck".
          30 years have passed ...
          1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
            Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 06: 48
            -1
            so the same process is taking place in Russia, staff leave, and those who stay can only feed (breakfast).
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 17: 11
              +3
              Even after the collapse of the USSR, Russia built large ships and submarines and continues to build them, and in Ukraine even those 4 frigates that it received during the division of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR did not have enough intelligence or money to maintain in good condition
              1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 17: 21
                -1
                And what did Russia build after the collapse of the USSR, did it build those ships that were laid down 30 years ago?
                1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 17: 26
                  +4
                  Russia has built, for example, the Borey-class nuclear submarine, completed the construction of Soviet ships, for example, the icebreaker 50 Years of Victory. Ukraine, however, could neither finish building Soviet ships nor build new ones, not with Bandera's talents. It was the Ukrainian SSR that was building something, not Ukraine, and the same Lviv bus plant LAZ was built and launched by engineers from the Moscow ZIL, and not by local villagers.
                  1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 17: 35
                    -2
                    (completed the construction of Soviet ships, for example the icebreaker `` 50 Years of Victory ''), project Borey - Since the end of the 1980s, the submarine was designed as a two-shaft SSBN, similar in design to the 667BDRM Dolphin project with a reduced height of missile silos for the missile system "Barque". And Ukraine is not the only country located by the sea, could you compare Russia with such countries as the USA, Germany, Great Britain, South Korea, France?
                    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 17: 42
                      +5
                      It doesn't matter from what year the project is, especially since the Soviet project of the Borei nuclear submarine is very different from what the Russian Federation is building today (the Soviet project had a hump for missile silos and a propeller, in Russian Borea there is no hump, and instead of a propeller, a water cannon) ... So it was Ukraine who threw the show off, shouting that it would become a `` Slavic France '' as soon as it separated from Russia ... But it became not France, but Madagascar ...
                      1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 17: 51
                        -1
                        Ukraine, like Russia, overestimated its capabilities. Modern ships are now being built in cooperation, one drives metal, another cooks hulls from this metal, a third power plant, navigation equipment. It's cheaper and faster this way! Russia, like Ukraine, is a sovereign country and has the right to act with its property as it sees fit! Ukraine turns out NOT VERY, but the same applies to Russia, look what Russia has been building lately: some tugs, boats, "Armata", "Zircons", "Onyx". Or is it spraying the country's funds, or banal cut!
                      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 18: 02
                        +3
                        Russia did not overestimate its capabilities, it was Ukraine that received a huge rich inheritance from the USSR and drank everything and shook it. You and in cooperation could not build your corvette Volodymyr the Great, and the Russian Federation has about a dozen corvettes built after the collapse of the USSR
                      3. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 18: 14
                        0
                        Ukraine has one outlet to the sea and even with all its dolbo .... bizme can buy modern ships, we will not touch on corruption and sawing - even with these negative factors it CAN! Now take a look at the globe, how many seas and oceans are washing Russia and, unlike Ukraine, Russia, NOBODY WILL SELL ANYTHING! Therefore, Russia is FORCED to build its own fleet, develop its technologies !!!!
                        Unfortunately, only multimillion-dollar yachts are still being built in Russia - bl ... shipments, or I am mistaken, in that case, correct me.
                      4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 18: 54
                        +1
                        So the Russian Federation itself sells weapons, but Ukraine itself cannot and there is nothing to buy. By the way, this year the Russian Black Sea Fleet will receive another new corvette (the Yankees consider the project 20380 corvettes to be small frigates). And Ukraine can surprise us only with some old written off from the US Coast Guard, such as Islands, which are suitable only for fishing and drinking with women.
                      5. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 20: 22
                        0
                        The fact that Russia is selling does not mean that it is one of the world leaders in arms manufacturers, and why, for example, in Africa, Latin America, a new weapon, they did just fine with clubs and arrows 50 years ago. And whatever one may say, but American corvettes are far superior to the latest Russian tugs and patrol boats, Russia is currently unable to build other vessels.
                      6. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 20: 57
                        +2
                        Nevertheless, Egypt is buying expensive new French Rafals and Mistrals, the latest Russian Ka-50K and new MiG-29M. American corvettes, this is the largest failure of the United States, they are regularly dragged to their native ports in tugs.
                      7. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 21: 03
                        0
                        And with whom Egypt to fight, there are enough Tuaregs and MIGs to restrain Israel - already Rafali and Mistral, and the ships are not only pulled to the USA, but also to Murmansk from the shores of Syria, so that it wouldn’t be boring, a couple of planes will be drowned!
                      8. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 21: 05
                        +1
                        Egypt has a conflict with both Ethiopia and Turkey. They didn’t carry anything to Murmansk, he came to Murmansk on old Soviet boilers. New corals in the Russian Federation are superior in quality to the USA, they break less often. And the planes were sunk by the Yankees and the Japanese, and the vaunted F-35
                      9. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 21: 25
                        0
                        It may be so, but somehow the "NO ANALOGUES" of the Navy somehow cannot make the whole world laugh.
                      10. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 21: 26
                        +1
                        The USA and their slaves are not the whole world, but the smaller and not the best half of it. And I doubt that the Yankees were very funny. It's time for them to laugh at themselves, especially after the last elections, laughing chickens
                      11. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 21: 36
                        0
                        I completely agree with you, America is not the whole world, there is also Africa, Latin America, Asia, if Russia looks up to these representatives, sooner or later it will be on a par with them! And in my opinion, only in mine, the elections in the USA showed that the president was elected in America, but not the Tsar!
                      12. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 21: 59
                        +1
                        Yeah, do you believe it yourself? The elections in the United States have shown that there is no democracy there and people can be thrown as they please, by throwing whites.
                      13. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 22: 02
                        0
                        Well, democracy in the United States is not less than in Russia, or is it still less?
                      14. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 22: 07
                        +2
                        Live in the USA, work, then you will tell. I was there, with tourist and partly intelligence purposes. I got a part-time job, well, to see what and how not only from the hotel window. No nurses there, and not only for visitors, but also for local hard workers, of whom there are most
                      15. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 22: 48
                        -1
                        And what did you, Comrade Stirlitz, saw from these bourgeois, maybe you heard when they are going to Russia for a part-time job?
                      16. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 22: 51
                        +1
                        Yes, and in the Russian Federation there are people from NATO countries and citizenship of the Russian Federation have received quite a few of them. That's what the Yankees normally work with is advertising, only behind the gilded sign in the United States is a wretched wooden sartorial. The Yankees do not have steam heating, which is common for the Russian Federation, even in Alaska. Wind turbines, potbelly stoves, pathetic.
                      17. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 22: 56
                        0
                        Well this is how they scoff in Alaska, the Chukchi are sitting in yarangas and firing whale oil. Yes, you can see you plunged deeply, so to speak, into the very depths of the accursed US imperialists! It was necessary to advocate for Chukotka!
                      18. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 22: 59
                        +3
                        Well, they did not reach the yaranga there, but wooden barracks in two floors, for 8 apartments, and even with a staircase to the 2nd floor on the street, and not inside the building, is commonplace for the USA. For heating, there are wind blowers located in the floor, and it is cold. The thickness of the walls, laughter and tears, a la a Soviet camp site.
                      19. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 29 January 2021 23: 02
                        -1
                        So why don't they go to Russia, they'll put it here in a palace, by the way in Gelengik it's empty, have you heard maybe?
                      20. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 23: 07
                        +2
                        And who told you that they don't go to Russia? They go to Russia and from the United States and from France and from other countries. I personally know a lady who came from France to Russia, she is not going back. You'd better discuss the Seny Rabbit's palace, with its dacha picket fence on the border with the Russian Federation at the price of golden sand. In the United States, all Kenedys and today are senators and generals, because they are Kenedy, and you are not ...
                      21. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 30 January 2021 10: 56
                        0
                        Well, it’s very good that they are going to Russia, but I don’t want to be a senator, but you’ll deal with palaces
  • stepet Offline stepet
    stepet 29 January 2021 20: 30
    -4
    Quote: Sapsan136
    Russia has built, for example, the Borei-class nuclear submarine, completed the construction of Soviet ships, for example, the icebreaker 50 Years of Victory. Ukraine

    Why compare Russia with Ukraine?
    It's like comparing Russia to the United States or China:
    1 United States 3472.19%
    2 China 2090.93%
    18 Russia 100.00%
    Russia should be compared with:
    15 Netherlands 121.83%
    16 Brazil 115.79%
    17 Hong Kong SAR 100.45%
    18 Russia 100.00%
    19 Mexico 88.48%
    20 Belgium 71.87%
    21 Sweden 67.11%
    And Ukraine should be compared with:
    55 Iraq 10.72%
    56 Kazakhstan 10.47%
    57 Argentina 10.19%
    58 Ukraine 10.08%
    59 Morocco 10.00%
    60 Sri Lanka 9.74%
    61 Slovakia 9.41%
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 20: 59
      +1
      All this is bullshit. As long as China buys weapons from the Russian Federation, and not vice versa, all attempts by China to puff up their cheeks are just futile. And in the United States, not everything is smooth. As I already wrote, the project of corvettes (littoral ships) in the USA failed with a bang, the ships are raw and they are constantly dragged to the port on a rope
      1. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 29 January 2021 21: 18
        -2
        Quote: Sapsan136
        While China buys weapons from Russia, and not vice versa

        In fact, China is ALREADY not buying.
        And Russia is not buying.
        She has no money for this.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        As I already wrote, the project of corvettes (littoral ships) in the USA failed with a bang, the ships are raw and are constantly being dragged to the port on a rope

        Maybe they are dragging.
        But in other countries there is nothing to drag.
        Except for the old buckets with nuts.
      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 21: 20
        +2
        Well, we will put more corvettes from the Russian Federation than from the United States and new ones as well. China is in line for the S-500 air defense system, so you hurried up with such statements, and the resource of Chinese aircraft engines still does not match what the Russian Federation is doing. The rollers of Chinese tanks in the tank biathlon fall off, so they are still far from the Russian Federation.
      3. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 29 January 2021 21: 42
        -4
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Well, we will put more corvettes from the Russian Federation than from the United States and new ones as well.

        Not every bucket of nuts called a corvette is.
        And about "there are more new ones than in the USA", they laughed.
        The concept of "new" is different for everyone.
        For example, the latest missile Bulava is very similar to the American Trident-I arr. 1979 year

        Quote: Sapsan136
        China is in line for the S-500 air defense system, so you hurried up with such statements

        Maybe worth it.
        But not necessarily worth it.
        Standing anywhere is not necessarily buying and selling.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        and the resource of Chinese aircraft engines still falls short of what the Russian Federation is doing.

        Oh.
        Do not make me laugh.
        Motor building is definitely not a strong point of the Russian industry.
        But Russian missiles are so far better than Chinese ones.
        And this is a fact.
        But this is not for long.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        The rollers of Chinese tanks in the tank biathlon fall off, so they are still far from the Russian Federation.

        Tanks are just a burp of the past.
        Self-propelled graves.
        They do not matter and do not affect the strength of the army in any way.
      4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 22: 02
        +2
        A bucket of nuts, this is what the Yankees are now carrying in tugs, and the corvettes of the Russian Federation leave by themselves, come by themselves. And then there is nothing to laugh. The Chinese wanted to buy your collapsed Motor Sich with the wreckage of Soviet technologies for a reason. There is a problem with technologies for the production of aircraft engines in China. Turbine blades in China, as they did not know how to do it normally, still do not know how. Tanks are not the past, without them, so far, nowhere can be done
      5. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 29 January 2021 22: 44
        -4
        Quote: Sapsan136
        and the corvettes of the Russian Federation themselves leave, they themselves come.

        This is definitely a huge achievement.
        And they don't drown by themselves.
        Huge bonus.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        The Chinese are your collapsed Motor Sich

        No no.
        Motor Sich did not belong to me.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        Turbine blades in China, as they did not know how to do it normally, still cannot.

        And in the USSR they knew how?
        And why were the motors so shitty then?

        Quote: Sapsan136
        Tanks are not the past, without them, so far, nowhere can be done

        The last time was done in 1945.
        Since then, there have been no wars on the planet.
        And since then a lot of water has flown under the bridge.
        Tank, this is a self-propelled iron grave.
      6. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 22: 48
        +2
        There were normal motors in the USSR. The strategic aviation of China and today, in fact, flies on a slightly modified Soviet Tu-16. Wars on the planet go on constantly and tanks are used wherever they go.
      7. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 29 January 2021 22: 56
        -5
        Quote: Sapsan136
        The strategic aviation of China and today, in fact, flies on a slightly modified Soviet Tu-16.

        Strategic aviation is exactly the same regurgitation of the past as tanks.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        Wars on the planet go on constantly and tanks are used wherever they go.

        These are not wars, these are small local conflicts.
        And often, even police operations.
        But even on them tanks are hares.
        Hares for hunters.
      8. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 23: 04
        +3
        Who told you that Soviet aircraft were bad? It's just that they were different ... If Gorbach had not merged the USSR, and the YSA had collapsed, then their planes would not have met the standards of the socialist camp either. The safety factor of a Soviet aircraft is at least 1,5 .... The Yankees have a maximum of 1,25, or less. On Soviet planes, the skin, like on Boeings, has never been torn off .... You have all the belching of the past ... this is a consequence of your level of education, which is nothing. You go to give advice to the Yankees, let them saw their military equipment on nails and arm themselves with baseball bats, the very thing ... The war in Iraq, or Libya, is not a local conflict, it is a disaster for these countries, covering their entire territory and affecting their entire population.
      9. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 29 January 2021 23: 36
        -6
        Quote: Sapsan136
        If Gorbach had not merged the USSR

        He dreamed of advertising pizza all his life, right?

        Quote: Sapsan136
        and YUSA collapsed

        Why would they suddenly fall apart?
      10. magma Offline magma
        magma (Tatyana) 30 January 2021 07: 53
        +1
        Quote: stepet
        I am Russian

        Of course... wink

      11. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 January 2021 23: 27
        +2
        1) L-188 Electra, on the basis of which the Americans built anti-malt Oreon, which they use to this day, is much worse than the Soviet Il-18. On the Il-18, the propellers in flight with the destruction of the engine, like the Yankees, did not fall off. On the Il-86, Il-96, as on the Boeing-747, the skin in flight, together with the passengers, did not fly away.
        2) The Seperjet is more French than Russian, so they were poking around with French crooked hands, they also completely made lousy engines for this aircraft, with a low engine life and installed in the spirit of the Netherlands, through the anus.
        3) You are a pretty uneducated person, because you write nonsense about things that you understand at the level of a yard cat. You understand, all your idols, such as Makarevich, who was kicked out of the construction institute for poor performance, everything is sad with their education. In addition, a builder can understand the brands of bricks and cement, but not in airplanes and something else, the wrong profile. Well, if you are not aware of cases of skin breakage in flight from Boeings, then you have a sadness with self-education, since you cannot learn anything smart from Echo Matza. In addition, I find it funny to listen to the whining of Jews, Ukrainians and Poles, whom no one forcibly keeps in the Russian Federation and if they feel so bad here they can live in their countries. And if they are so defective that they are not needed in their historical homeland, then it is not for them to scold the Russian Federation. My language is enough for me, but I am not interested in reading Russophobic nonsense, far from reality.
    2. stepet Offline stepet
      stepet 29 January 2021 23: 47
      -6
      Quote: Sapsan136
      Who told you that Soviet aircraft were bad? They were just different.

      I explain the simple difference between a normal passenger plane (so far only this narrow sphere) from an abnormal one.
      A normal aircraft, unless it is a small aircraft and not a super-airbus, must have TWO motors. If there are not two motors (three or four), then this is flying shit.
    3. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 30 January 2021 00: 15
      0
      Quote: stepet
      I explain the simple difference between a normal passenger plane (so far only this narrow sphere) from an abnormal one.

      There are no abnormal planes. There are abnormal dropout commentators (this is about the "narrow" sphere, too laughing).
    4. stepet Offline stepet
      stepet 30 January 2021 11: 29
      -3
      Quote: isofat
      There are no abnormal planes.

      Really?
      But what about the so-called "Soviet aircraft"?
      Forgot about them?
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  • stepet Offline stepet
    stepet 29 January 2021 20: 23
    -3
    Quote: Sapsan136
    Russia and after the collapse of the USSR built large ships and submarines and continues to build them

    Building big ships for Russia is just nonsense. She simply does not need them. Even in principle.
    You need to build boats.
    But there are no good boats.
    Poor Boreas, this is the stone age:
    American Ohio has 1 kg of platform per 13,4 kg of load (less is better).
    British Vanguards, 16,9 kg.
    The Chinese 094A Jin has 17,1 kg.
    The Chinese 094 Jin have 22,8 kg.
    The Russian Boreevs have 40,8 kg.
    That is, Ohio is THREE TIMES more effective than Boreyev.
    And even the outgoing 094 Jin (they are replaced by 096 Teng) is better than Boreyev.

    Quote: Sapsan136
    and in Ukraine, even those 4 frigates that she received during the division of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR did not have enough intelligence or money to maintain in good condition

    Just Ukraine was smart enough to cut on pins and needles what it does not need in principle.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 21: 01
      +1
      What Russia needs, we will somehow decide for ourselves, without the Ukrainians. Now the Russian Federation is building 2 new UDCs. It will be necessary to build something else. If, according to you, Ukraine does not need a fleet, what are you asking for written-off trash in the USA?
      1. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 29 January 2021 21: 29
        -3
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Now the Russian Federation is building 2 new UDCs. It will be necessary to build something else.

        Any wretched trough can be passed off as UDC.
        But from this UDC it will not.
        Russia cannot build normal ships.
        Neither surface nor underwater.
        But it is necessary to BUILD submarines. Therefore, you have to close your eyes on their performance characteristics.
        And surface ships larger than Russian corvettes are not needed in principle. Therefore, it is stupid to build them. Money down the drain.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        If, according to you, Ukraine does not need a fleet, what are you asking for written-off trash in the USA?

        Find out from the Ukrainians.
        I am Russian.
        Not Russian Soviet (they recently fell in love with calling themselves Russians), but Russian.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 22: 04
          +1
          Well, I don't even want to comment on this nonsense. Poor Russophobia. Russians are Russians and all sorts of Russophobic Zionists of Polish-Israeli origin, like Novodvorskaya, have nothing to do with Russians
          1. stepet Offline stepet
            stepet 29 January 2021 22: 49
            -6
            Quote: Sapsan136
            Well, I don't even want to comment on this nonsense. Poor Russophobia.

            Russophobia is squandering money on unnecessary buckets of nuts.
            You still propose to bring the retirement age to 70 years.
            And yes, the Soviets, they are not Russians.
            These are just the main Russophobes. Since their primary goal is to turn the Russian Federation into the RSFSR.
          2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 January 2021 22: 54
            +2
            Russophobia is muddying the Russian Federation, with or without reason. Why what, but the industry in the Russian Federation and the USSR was not particularly poor. The retirement age in NATO is higher than in the Russian Federation.
          3. stepet Offline stepet
            stepet 29 January 2021 23: 05
            -6
            Quote: Sapsan136
            The retirement age in NATO is higher than in the Russian Federation.

            And where does NATO?
            This is a different planet, first world countries, basically.
            And the Russian Federation is the country of the THIRD world.
            In which the age of survival of men is LESS than the retirement age of men.
            Shame, and only.
            And there is money.
            But they are distributed very poorly. Wrong.
          4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 January 2021 23: 32
            +3
            If you are such a fan of the United States, in which, by the way, there are a lot of lousy planes, one of the latest Boeing models is worth something, with which the Yankees have done well, then leave for the USA, you do not need to live in Russia. You will not be understood here, with your fanatical and inadequate to a foreign, far from ideal country, which seems to you like paradise. Leave for YUSA, maybe you will be more lucky there, although not a fact ... Well, in any case, you will try to achieve your American dream.
  • Kedrovich Offline Kedrovich
    Kedrovich (Alexa980) 28 January 2021 05: 35
    +2
    A typical theme for Ukraine is that I will not eat something. And there the hi rots.
    1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
      Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 28 January 2021 09: 29
      -2
      Well well. They can't put it into operation, they sell it, everything is better than lying on the bottom of the sea!
  • sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 28 January 2021 13: 27
    +1
    No one doubted that this was exactly what it would end up with, only it is not clear why Russia might need this old unfinished galosh, for what reasons Russia was voiced here as a potential buyer of this worthless rusty junk.
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    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 January 2021 21: 50
      +1
      So this is Orlan, brother of Peter the Great and Nakhimov. What they asked for dearly from the Russian Federation will be scrapped for a cheap price (the greedy one always loses twice), because time has passed and no one needs it anymore, only scrap metal ...
  • Sawed on needles
    Cruiser Ukraine!
    Who allowed it,
    Dastardly brute ?!