Rogozin reacted to the "exclusion of Russia from the lunar program"

January 25 2021

According to the source RIA News in the rocket and space industry, representatives of Russia were excluded from the program to create a lunar station Gateway - Russian specialists were denied access to the materials of the expert group, to letters and discussions. In response to this, the head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin noted that the Russian Federation had never entered into any such program. He stated this in his telegram channel.

Dmitry Rogozin emphasized that the Russian side is not interested in participating in the NASA-initiated program for the exploration of the moon, since it does not imply the equal participation of countries. Russia is ready to become a part of an international project that is equal for all partners.

Dmitry Rogozin also reacted to the exclusion of the Russian Federation from the American lunar program with an anecdote.

The wolf says to the hare: "Hare, come tomorrow at 9 am, I'll eat you!" - "Wolf, can I not come?" - "Can! Then I cross you off the list!

- wrote the head of "Roscosmos".

He also noted that this year Russia is starting its program of researching a natural satellite of the Earth, and in 2028 a manned program will start. Negotiations are now underway with other international participants (including the PRC) on the joint creation of a scientific base near the moon. The American side was also offered to adapt one of the locks of the space station in circumlunar orbit for the docking of the Russian manned spacecraft Orel, which is planned to be tested in 2023.

Photos used: Artem Lepesin / wikipedia.org

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Offline Sergey Latyshev

Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 January 2021 17: 17

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Another trampoline missed ...
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  Diver d (Oleg) 25 January 2021 20: 13
  
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  Rogozin delighted Putin - there is a huge trampoline in the drawings.
  People here and there are laughing, let them launch their trampoline)))))
Offline monman

monman (Garik Mokin) 25 January 2021 17: 25

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Guys, don't despair! Rogozin promised a date, and

Nobody will take away everything that we have been promised!

And if he does not fulfill it on time (and the deadlines are such that not everyone will survive), then

With a bright future, the problem will have a glorious past
Offline Cyril

Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 51

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Well, why react so sharply to the exclusion from the program, into which Russia allegedly did not rush?
Offline Alexander K_2

Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 25 January 2021 17: 57

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Well, they didn't really want to, and while scotch tape was brought to the moon, the holes were sealed, all the air from the ship would come out!
Offline faiver

faiver (Andrei) 25 January 2021 18: 28

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But the man was a good journalist, but he became ...
1. Offline HR1209
  
  HR1209 (HR1209) 25 January 2021 22: 38
  
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  Andrey, a little history:
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  The future head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin at a demonstration. USSR, 1983
  (What torch? What gesture?)
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  The current head of Roscosmos in May – June 1992 took part in the armed conflict in Transnistria as a soldier of a volunteer detachment.
2. Offline Vladest
  
  Vladest (Vladimir) 26 January 2021 00: 10
  
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  Quote: faiver
  But the man was a good journalist, but he became ...
  
  They mutate. The same Lavrov.
Offline 123

123 (123) 25 January 2021 19: 43

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The man simply said that Russia did not participate in the program. And so much screeching among the lackeys
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  Vladest (Vladimir) 25 January 2021 22: 50
  
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  Quote: 123
  The man just said
  
  This man has already said so much lately that it is possible to write a book. By the way, his salary is higher than that of the director of NASA. But the hard workers of Roscosmos for some reason less than the hard workers of NASA.
  1. Offline 123
    
    123 (123) 25 January 2021 23: 07
    
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    Well, get busy, do something useful. Describe a "life feat" In this case, what did he say wrong? In fact, there are claims? And then there is nothing to say and you start to drag in old statements and compare salaries.
    1. Offline HR1209
      
      HR1209 (HR1209) 26 January 2021 23: 34
      
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      The Pareto principle says: 20% of the actions you do, 80% remains on the conscience of the person asking. If the other side is interested in improving their life, they will thank you, and if not, they will be offended at you, they will put pressure on pity and guilt, just to shift responsibility.
      
      Apparently in Russia it is different: 80% do you, 20% remains on the conscience of the sufferer (asking) - Freebie, get caught!
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        123 (123) 26 January 2021 23: 56
        
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        The Pareto principle says: 20% of the actions you do, 80% remains on the conscience of the person asking.
        
        Are you sure about that? As far as I remember, he describes the unevenness of the efforts to achieve the goal. The first 80% comes with relatively little effort (20%); to reach the remaining 20%, you have to put in much more effort (80%). For example, if your goal is to make the road network accessible, you start by building between major cities. The cost and effort is relatively low and you quickly reached 80% of the population. For the remaining 20%, you will have to try, build roads to each remote village, efforts and costs will grow significantly more than the percentage of road availability. More or less like this.
        In general, I did not understand what you wanted to say If you formulate what you had in mind, what kind of suffering and begging are we talking about and what does Russia have to do with it, I will be happy to answer
        
        Offline HR1209
        
        HR1209 (HR1209) 27 January 2021 00: 23
        
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        I'm sure about the principle (psychology, anthropology, philology and the piano class )
        
        In your commentary, you suggested to the author (exaggerating), since you identified the problem, so give a solution.
        
        - Man, your wheel is flat.
        "Where?"
        
        * actually this is where it ends, but no ... *
        
        - Yes for, rear left.
        - Listen, take the pump and pump it up ...
        
        Ready to give the groundwork to people who receive a salary for this? In principle, there should not be a substantive comment. Analysts work
        
        Offline 123
        
        123 (123) 27 January 2021 00: 28
        
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        I'm sure about the principle (psychology, anthropology, philology and the piano class
        
        https://blog.calltouch.ru/kak-primenyat-pravilo-pareto-primery-zakona-80-na-20-v-biznese-i-zhizni/
        
        To be honest, I never understood anything What did you mean?
        
        Offline HR1209
        
        HR1209 (HR1209) 27 January 2021 00: 34
        
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        well, my Russian leaves much to be desired, I will improve ...
        
        Offline 123
        
        123 (123) 27 January 2021 00: 36
        
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        Do not be discouraged, as a last resort write in your native language, we will translate, we will figure it out
        
        Offline HR1209
        
        HR1209 (HR1209) 27 January 2021 02: 34
        
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        I don’t use my native ...
        
        Offline 123
        
        123 (123) 27 January 2021 02: 41
        
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        I don’t use my native ...
        
        Why? Is he so ugly? The Poles wrote, like nothing. Or do you have hieroglyphs?
        
        Offline HR1209
        
        HR1209 (HR1209) 27 January 2021 02: 43
        
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        I'm not from Poland
        
        Or do you have hieroglyphs?
        
        Or ... no, not hieroglyphs ...

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Shelest2000 25 January 2021 19: 55

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In vain they did it. Oh, in vain. Rogozin would sing his songs to them, jump on a trampoline in front of them - in general, he would amuse them, so to speak, to increase their efficiency. And so ... How can they cope without him, huh? ..

Offline Oleg Rambover

Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 January 2021 21: 17

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This is what they are from. Rogozin's salary is higher than Bridenstein's.
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  HR1209 (HR1209) 26 January 2021 23: 42
  
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  Bridenstine is not paid extra for fairy tales
  
  Bridenstine is no longer at NASA

lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 25 January 2021 21: 05

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There is nothing to do for a thieving and backward country in a promising project. Our destiny is to launch spy satellites for military footcloths.

isofat (isofat) 25 January 2021 22: 09

The battle for the moon takes place on Earth. Who will win on Earth ...
The US is losing this battle so far.

PS Venus, Mars, Jupiter ... all this will go to the winner on Earth.

Offline Vladest

Vladest (Vladimir) 25 January 2021 22: 53

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Quote: isofat
Mars,

Musk is going to test a prototype for a flight to Mars.
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  isofat (isofat) 25 January 2021 23: 29
  
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  Vladest, you apparently did not find anything of what Musk has made and is worthy to be shown today. His wishes were used.
  
  I have no doubt that in advertising, the United States is ahead of the rest. But this advertisement often gets in the way of understanding the real state of affairs.
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    HR1209 (HR1209) 26 January 2021 23: 19
    
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    Reality
    Russia: Work on the take-off and landing module has been suspended (read curtailed).
    Work on the lunar carrier is being phased out.
    Work on the lunar spacesuit (support, in Russia there is still no support spacesuit, everything that is from the 70s)
    Work on the lunar LSS did not even begin.
    
    USA: Several (private) landing modules have been developed, to I. Musk due to the design of the ship, they are not needed.
    Work on the lunar carrier (several) went to launch tests.
    Work on the lunar spacesuit (new) is in full swing (possibly already completed, you need to contact ).
    The work on the lunar LSS continues (both closed and open - NASA competition).
    
    Of course, all of the above will not hurt Russia to catch up and overtake in a couple of years ...
    I did not write about the lunar modules of the base (which even Roscosmos does not have in the sketches), about vehicles (the lunar tractor is a little outdated). Even Rogozin has not yet invented fairy tales about this. Meanwhile, NASA & K's work on the actual exploration of the moon is going according to plan. There are sketches and mock-ups, and samples that will apparently be finalized before launch readiness.
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      isofat (isofat) 27 January 2021 01: 19
      
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      Quote: HR1209
      The real state of affairs ...
      
      HR1209... Don't hypnotize me, you don't know the real state of affairs.
      
      In the meantime, everyone is waiting - will we ever see US lunar spacesuits and LSS flying on an American carrier to the Moon?
      
      I am forced to repeat what was said above - show and boast that already now in the United States flies, walks and provides life on the moon. You don't name anything, just projections. Everything that is called, is either in development, or perhaps done by
      
      We also have everything going according to plan.
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        HR1209 (HR1209) 27 January 2021 02: 30
        
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        ... to hypnotize?
        
        ... you don't know the real state of affairs.
        
        ABOUT! Finally, the industry leader was caught! Dispelled doubts! The news says one thing, Rogozin another ...
        
        We, too, everything is going according to plan
        
        Of course, only plans change frequently
        
        Hope for Joe Biden!
        Bridenstein left, refused to work with him. Another will come, NASA will lower the orbit. This is your chance
        
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        isofat (isofat) 27 January 2021 02: 49
        
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        HR1209... You started your comment with the phrase - the real state of affairs.
        You may not know the real state of affairs, do not argue. You don't have to be a leader in the space industry to understand this.
        
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        HR1209 (HR1209) 27 January 2021 03: 04
        
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        I understand that you needed data not from open sources?
        
        You do not give your theses!
        All ask to show SOMETHING, but! .. First, substantiate your statements.
        Then you can comment. But!
        I suppose that we watch the same "TV". But we draw some other conclusions ...
        
        I didn't want to offend, but still I would like to substantiate your theses.
        
        Are we both looking at the same object, but from different angles?
        Your picture "Peace"! ??

General Black (Gennady) 25 January 2021 22: 34

With a bright future, the problem will have a glorious past

Messrs. Americans are euphoric! Russia was asked from the program, but for God's sake. The only question is, where will you go to the latrine? There will no longer be an opportunity to ask Russia. So the question is serious. Directly a question of national prestige. There is the aircraft carrier G. Bush 332 meters of "striking power", and 130 out of 423 latrines did not work at all.

Non-working latrines are the main problem on the ship, sailors say. And despite the fact that it has become the subject of countless jokes, the morale of the American military is shaken. Some of the crew members began to eat and drink less so that they went to the toilet less often. Others endure to the last, which is why they develop urinary tract infections. Women set up a watch at the latrine if they notice a worker's head above the door. Men, looking around bashfully, hide in the corners. According to the sailors, in such conditions it is difficult to maintain the ship's combat readiness.

"And if you break the order, you will be punished. One sailor has already been punished," one foreman complained.

An AIRLANT spokesman confirmed that one seafarer received disciplinary action for “urinating on a sponson”.

And you, gentlemen, Americans gathered on the moon. This is how you will fly around the moon, surrounded by a nebula of poetic substance. Malfunctioning shocks are the scourge of America.

Vladest (Vladimir) 25 January 2021 22: 41

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Dmitry Rogozin emphasized that the Russian side is not interested in participating in the NASA-initiated moon exploration program, since it does not imply equal participation of countries.

Especially this "does not imply equal participation of countries". The Russian Federation has two of its blocks on the ISS, and then one was built with American money. And the lion's share of the station's funding comes from the United States.
Obviously, sitting on a freebie is his "equality".
When the United States could not carry its astronauts to the ISS, Roskosmos quickly swelled that it was possible to earn extra money on this and quickly raised the price of a seat in the Union to 75K green.
The lafa is over. Now all by ourselves. China has already bypassed the Russian Federation in space. India is on its heels.

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123 (123) 25 January 2021 23: 15

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Obviously, sitting on a freebie is his "equality".

I don't like it, let them undock and free float. You understand they were taught to build stations, but they are also unhappy.

The lafa is over. Now all by ourselves. China has already bypassed the Russian Federation in space. India is on its heels.

What do you care about that? Go to weed the beds on your farm.

HR1209 (HR1209) 25 January 2021 22: 41

Quote: isofat

The battle for the moon takes place on Earth

Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 25 January 2021 23: 20

Russia was excluded from the program to create a lunar station Gateway - Russian specialists were denied access to the materials of the expert group, to letters and discussions

So after all, the Russian Federation was called a threat and the main enemy of the United States, and therefore it was quite logical to be excluded from the program to create a circumlunar station Gateway

Russia begins its program of exploration of a natural satellite of the Earth, and a manned program starts in 2028

Expensive but necessary. Therefore, negotiations are underway with other international participants (including the PRC) on the joint creation of a scientific base near the moon.
The proposal to the US to adapt one of the locks of the space station in the lunar orbit for the docking of the Russian manned spacecraft "Eagle" was made in vain. They can make shit, the enemies still - they themselves said so.

gorenina91 (Irina) 26 January 2021 10: 48

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-In the subject:

Why the project of the super-heavy launch vehicle "Yenisei" is postponed

- personally, I already wrote that:

- Here I will personally say (I can say a rather seditious thing) ... - I will say about that; that personally I believe that ... what ... what ... that the Russian Space has simply "switched to work for China" ... - Something in Russia is somehow "moving" in the Russian Space ... for show. .. -simply create the appearance of work; and the main specialists and "resources" of the Russian Space are simply "plowing" for China ... - for the Chinese Space ... - I personally do not believe in the fantastic successful work of Chinese specialists in the field of Space ... - Something is not here then ...

- And my these assumptions every day (so far only for me personally) ... - are becoming more and more convincing ... - I'm not going to climb into these "cosmic jungle"; which for Russia are already becoming "Chinese space wilds" ...
- it remains to "rejoice" only that ... - and it is very sad to "rejoice"; what ... what ... that Russia did not keep its ISS ... - ISS Mir, what it inherited from the mighty space USSR ... - our "today's space strategists" ... - just took and flooded IT ... - And our ISS ... - all the same "{space strategists" ... - they just did not create ... - they did not build ... - "Tyama" was not enough ... and hardly will it ever be enough ...
- So, what then is the "sad joy" ... - and all the "joy" (albeit sad ... about this) lies in the fact that ... what ... what: - then do not flood our space strategists then ISS Mir; then ... then ... then today this station would go to China ... - And it would just get "for free" ... - for Chinese rattles, consumer goods, and second-hand Chinese equipment ... - Just like that, China today would have its own ISS (quite suitable for operation) ... - this would immediately move the entire space program of China forward 20 years ... -Such ...- I am personally not at all happy ... Maybe it will still be possible to live (live) not in "Chinese Russia" ... - And then ... - let the "offspring of the digital Chinese henchmen" - take the rap as they want ... - "thank" their such tolerant "five-column ancestors", who have so widely opened their earthly "embraces" to China that this "latitude" even had to borrow space from the Cosmos ... -Let them "rejoice" for the "Chinese affairs"
their ancestors ... and will say "great thanks" to them for such "hua ... hua" ... towards them ...

Offline Bulanov

Bulanov (Vladimir) 26 January 2021 11: 21

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The Chinese are communists. When the communists ruled the USSR, space also developed well. Apparently the science fiction writer Efremov was right when he predicted victory in space for the communists.

HR1209 (HR1209) 27 January 2021 02: 49

Second day in the comments. What a battle for the moon!

Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 27 January 2021 10: 15

If Rogozin considers this anecdote so funny, then this is the bottom.