Berlin demanded to explain the origin of "Putin's palace" - responded in Russia


The German government's commissioner for inter-social cooperation with Russia Johann Zathoff demanded that the Russian authorities explain the circumstances associated with the so-called "Putin's palace", which was discussed in the film by Alexei Navalny, writes Deutsche Welle.


According to Zathoff, the authorities in Russia, instead of arresting participants in rallies in support of Navalny in a number of Russian cities, should explain to their citizens that the opposition's accusations of corruption against Putin are untrue. If Putin is a supporter of the fight against corruption, then why not show this fight in reality and explain the origin of this architectural object?

Johann Zathoff received a correspondence answer from Russian journalist and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov. In an interview with Vzglyad, he called Berlin's demands against Moscow unacceptable, and in turn asked how Navalny, being treated in Germany, had released a whole film about Putin's “palace”.

How can a German demand something from someone in Russia? Let him better explain how Navalny, while in Germany for medical reasons, released this fake

- noted Soloviev in a commentary for the newspaper LOOK.

The Russian TV presenter also recalled that the owner of the "palace" has long been an entrepreneur from Russia Alexander Ponomarenko - Alexander Tkachev, who is the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, spoke about this back in 2011.

Earlier, the press secretary of the Russian president Dmitry Peskov called Navalny's "revelations" "information attacks", "scam" and "cranberries", and also advised Russians not to transfer money to FBK and other scammers on the Internet.
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  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 16: 23
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    Johann Zathoff received a correspondence answer from Russian journalist and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov. In an interview with Vzglyad, he called Berlin's demands against Moscow unacceptable, and in turn asked how Navalny, being treated in Germany, had released a whole film about Putin's “palace”.

    Dear (no) Vladimir Soloviev, obviously, is not aware that the film was made and released not by Navalny himself, but by his organization. Well, it happens with a person. well.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 25 January 2021 16: 56
      +20
      the film was made and released not by Navalny himself, but by his organization.

      The organization is not called the CIA?)
      And then this information flashed:

      Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary of the Russian President, believes that the film by Alexei Navalny about the palace attributed to Vladimir Putin near Gelendzhik contains errors, indicating that the source material was in English.

      Talking about such premises of the palace as "aquadiskoteka" and "mud room", Peskov noted that this is, apparently, an inaccurate translation from English.

      "Something is obviously mistakes in translation from English. Also, by the way, the question is, the source material was probably in English? Where, why in English?" - said the representative of the Kremlin.

      https://m.dp.ru/a/2021/01/24/Peskov_ukazal_na_oshibki_p
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 01
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        The organization is not called the CIA?)

        No.

        Talking about such premises of the palace as "aquadiskoteka" and "mud room", Peskov noted that this is, apparently, an inaccurate translation from English.

        Then this site was probably also translated from English?

        https://happybirthdays.ru/kak-otmetit/acrvadiscoteka.html

        Well, a "mud warehouse" is a warehouse in which dirt is stored. It is strange that a person holding the post of press secretary is confused by such simple constructions from the point of view of the Russian language.

        Something is obviously a mistake in translation from English. Also, by the way, the question is, the source material was probably in English? Where, why in English? "Said a Kremlin spokesman.

        Something (Peskov's words) is a faded attempt to pull an owl onto a globe.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 25 January 2021 17: 30
          +13
          Something (Peskov's words) is a faded attempt to pull an owl onto a globe.

          But still, these are the words of Peskov. He is responsible for his words, at least with his own name, in contrast to the "platform" Youtube, where "and the boar and everyone" can put any information they want.
          Regardless of Peskov's statement, the video is so and so fake. For "spans" calculated.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 31
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            Regardless of Peskov's statement, the video is so and so fake.

            I haven't watched it, I can't say how strong the evidence base is.
            1. Evgeny Popov Offline Evgeny Popov
              Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) 26 January 2021 16: 54
              +4
              No evidence base. Here it is all:

              Why would the FSB establish a no-fly zone over a private palace? There can be only one answer: this is the palace of the very person for whose safety the FSB is responsible.

              By the way, the "palace" is a sanatorium for the country's top officials. On the territory of the FSB, because there is, in principle, a no-fly zone. That is why they are guarded. The building contract can also be found on the Internet.

              Well, a "mud warehouse" is a warehouse in which dirt is stored.

              Hope it's sarcasm. Because in Russia, dirt is not stored, but thrown away.
              Although it fits perfectly into the concept of an oval - you have to get dirt from somewhere to do your dirty deeds :)
              In general, an adequate version is a room for storing medicinal mud. This is a sanatorium and there are spa procedures. Although, maybe this is what you meant :)
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 16: 56
                -6
                In general, an adequate version is a room for storing medicinal mud. This is a sanatorium and there are spa procedures.

                Bingo.

                No evidence base.

                I can't say yet, I haven't looked.
                1. duchy Offline duchy
                  duchy (Salih) 28 January 2021 14: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Cyril
                  I can't say yet, I haven't looked.

                  bully And you spar as you wrote the script yourself, there are answers to all the questions. Admit it genius, your handiwork ??? laughing
              2. Fresh sok Offline Fresh sok
                Fresh sok (Galina) 26 January 2021 22: 57
                +2
                Explaining about the "mud room". Peskov quite rightly said that this is a translation from English.
                Mud - mud
                Room - room
                the illiterate adepts of the Berlin patient saw. the familiar letters have been translated piece by piece “the room of dirt” or just simply used interlinear computer translation.
                But everyone who knows a little English will explain to you that "Mudroom" is a hallway in English
                I have met before with such unfortunate translators,
                In English, the word "greenhouse" is "green house", but clever people do not know this, and therefore they divide the word in half and so in parts and translate - green green, house - house. The result is a "green house" instead of a "greenhouse".
                1. Evgeny Popov Offline Evgeny Popov
                  Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) 26 January 2021 23: 25
                  0
                  The hallway version is spoiled by only one nuance. The hallway should be located next to the exit, but here there is a problem.
                2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 28 January 2021 14: 18
                  -2
                  or just simply used interlinear computer translation.

                  However, "interlinear computer translation" does not translate the word mudroom as "mud room." He translates it as "hallway".

                  Well, you have already been told that for some reason the "hallway" is located on the basement floor (that is, below ground level), and not at the entrance, but in the SPA zone.
        2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
          goncharov.62 (Andrei) 25 January 2021 18: 44
          +12
          Man, you’re not here to hang on to. Go hang there.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 18: 45
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            I don’t hang noodles.
            1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
              Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 25 January 2021 19: 25
              +11
              Well, then you are replicating fakes.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 19: 25
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                Show me, please, where and what fakes I am replicating.
                1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                  Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 25 January 2021 19: 31
                  +9
                  Above, your opus.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 19: 32
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                    Please explain what exactly is in my the statement is not true.
                    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 25 January 2021 19: 41
                      +5
                      Other commentators have already explained it to you.
                      And it is useless for me to convince you.
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 19: 43
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                        Other commentators did not say anything about my replication of fakes.

                        Do you know the meaning of the word "fake"?

                        And it is useless for me to convince you.

                        Of course. You are not capable of reasoning where you go.
                      2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 25 January 2021 19: 50
                        +9
                        There is an old Russian saying

                        beads are not thrown before pigs.
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 00: 45
                        -9
                        There is an old Russian saying

                        These are the words from Christ's Sermon on the Mount. Unless, of course, your Jesus is Russian.
                      4. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 26 January 2021 04: 26
                        +4
                        One does not contradict the other.
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 04: 39
                        -9
                        One does not contradict the other.

                        Contradicts, because this is not a Russian proverb. But you really do not understand this, here you are right.
                      6. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 26 January 2021 04: 49
                        +3
                        The case when reality contradicts your brain.
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 25 January 2021 22: 33
    +10
    Well, a "mud warehouse" is a warehouse in which dirt is stored. It is strange that a person holding the post of press secretary is confused by such simple constructions from the point of view of the Russian language.

    Can you give me one example of a warehouse called a "mud warehouse"?
    I, somehow, did not have a chance to see.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 00: 50
      .
      Rest in the Lesnoy sanatorium is accompanied by a number of truly striking advantages. A wide list of diseases for treatment only with the help of laboratory tests, taking into account the indicators of modern diagnostic medical equipment. The health resort has its own laboratory facilities and mud vault with a unique opportunity to carry out "general mud" - one of the few procedures that is not so easy to find throughout Zheleznovodsk. Radon water treatment is available exclusively in the neighboring resort of Pyatigorsk (the dispatch service is carried out according to the doctor's prescription).

      That "Mud storage", that "mud warehouse" - constructions are quite acceptable from the point of view of the Russian language.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 26 January 2021 00: 52
        +13
        No need to play around. The phrase "mud warehouse" is not used, so it is not.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 01: 10
          -9
          The phrase "mud warehouse" is not used, so it is not.

          I’m not. If you haven't heard it or don't use it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It does not contradict the norms of the Russian language.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 26 January 2021 01: 12
            +9
            It is absent in the practical application of the Russian language. For yourself, beloved, you can invent anything you want, these are your personal problems.
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 01: 14
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              It is absent in the practical application of the Russian language.

              Who told you that?

              Why is the phrase "dirt warehouse" worse than the phrase "fuel warehouse"?
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 26 January 2021 01: 15
                +11
                I'm not saying which is worse. I say that it is not.
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 01: 19
                  .
                  I say that it is not.

                  Do you have a linguistic or philological education to say this? Do you know all the words and phrases ever used in Russian?
                2. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 26 January 2021 01: 25
                  +10
                  I started by asking you to give an example of the practical application of this word. You started chasing a blizzard.
                  Education has nothing to do with it. I am 65 years old. I have seen a lot in my life, read a lot, visited many places. I have never encountered such a phrase.
                  You, as I understand it, are the same. Therefore, figs do not invent something, just because you want it. I go to bed.
                3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 01: 32
                  .
                  I started by asking you to give an example of the practical application of this word.

                  I also brought you - "mud storage". Replacing the word "storage" with "warehouse" is not difficult.

                  I am 65 years old. I have seen a lot in my life, read a lot, visited many places. I have never encountered such a phrase.

                  Your life experience is simply your life experience. While working with texts on the Internet, I saw such strange verbal constructions that you never dreamed of.
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 26 January 2021 01: 33
                +10
                Cyril. This is a hallway where coats, raincoats ... if necessary, dirty shoes are left. Our hallway is called a hallway, but not a room for dirt.
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              4. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 01: 38
                -6
                And the word "mudroom", about which they say, is translated precisely as "hallway", and not "warehouse of dirt".

              5. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 26 January 2021 01: 58
                +5

                I would like to hear your opinion. smile
              6. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 02: 21
                -7
                I would like to hear your opinion.

                Everything would be fine, only:

                - you translate from Russian into English. And "Navalny's whistleblowers" broadcast that it was the other way around.
                - the plan shown in the video says "mud warehouse", not "mud room".

                And that's not to mention the fact that the room is located on the ground (basement) floor and is located away from the entrances.

                And here is how Yandex actually translates the term mudroom from English into Russian:

              7. Alsur Offline Alsur
                Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 10: 30
                +10
                I read your answers, only one thing comes to mind - to Him ... in the eyes, and he is God's dew! You don't just want to see the obvious. The fact that speech is not peculiar to Russian is obvious. What is this, a crooked translation or a person who does not know Russian very well, for example, children of emigrants, I do not know. But that doesn't change matters.
              8. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 10: 36
                -8
                Oh, another "expert" of the Russian language.

                You don't just want to see the obvious.

                Nobody could prove the "obviousness" of these things.

                What is this, a crooked translation or a person who does not know Russian very well, for example, children of emigrants, I do not know.

                No, it's just Russian.

                The above is how the word mudroom is translated from English - not at all the way my opponent is trying to present it.

                The design of the "mud warehouse" does not contradict the norms of the Russian language and is no worse than the design of the "fuel warehouse".

                It's all.
              9. Alsur Offline Alsur
                Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 10: 48
                +7
                It contradicts and you just do not want to hear this under any pretext. A Russian won't say that. Rather, it will be said that it seems like a dryer, a changing room, something like that. But the warehouse of dirt, even the warehouse of dirty things, is not entirely from the Russian speech. If you don’t understand, then I already have doubts, are you a Russian or only know Russian well?
              10. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 11: 00
                -6
                A Russian won't say that.

                Russians sometimes give out such verbal constructions that you will be swayed by their "non-Russian" character.

                Rather, it will be said that it seems like a dryer, a changing room, something like that.

                But this is not a dryer or a changing room. This room is located in the SPA area. Do you know what a SPA is?

                If you don’t understand, then I already have doubts, are you a Russian or only know Russian well?

                Yes, you can doubt anything. The phrase "dirt warehouse" does not contradict the norms of the Russian language.
              11. Alsur Offline Alsur
                Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 12: 07
                +6
                You just make excuses regardless of the logic. Yes, Russians often construct expressions that are not in Russian speech, but they do it as native speakers of the Russian language, but here it looks very much like a native speaker of another language. This is really so, I don't know why it happened so. One can only guess.
              12. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 12: 10
                -5
                You just make excuses regardless of the logic.

                A person says to me who, in the very next sentence, says this:

                Yes, Russians often construct expressions that are not in Russian speech, but they do it as native speakers of the Russian language

                You are trying to play around and deny the obvious.

                here it just looks very much like a native speaker of another language.

                It doesn't look like anything.

                This is really so, I don't know why it happened so.

                That is, you cannot explain, of course.
              13. Alsur Offline Alsur
                Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 12: 18
                +7
                You have not given any arguments. I wrote everything correctly, even constructing new words and expressions, Russians do it as native speakers of the Russian language, and foreigners, as speakers of another language. And what is wrong here?
              14. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 12: 29
                -5
                You have not given any arguments.

                Brought. In another thread, I gave an example of the phrase "mud storage" used on one site of the mud baths. What is the problem to replace the word "storage" with the absolutely synonymous word "warehouse" and get the construction "dirt warehouse" - I don’t know.

                Next, I gave a screenshot of the translation of the English word mudroom in Google and Yandex translators - in both cases they were translated as "hallway", not "mud room".

                Thirdly, the room designated as a "mud warehouse" is located away from the entrances (and therefore there cannot be a hallway) on the basement floor in the SPA zone, which also includes premises for taking mud baths. It is logical to assume that the "mud warehouse" is just a banal storage of medicinal mud.

                I wrote everything correctly, even constructing new words and expressions, Russians do it as native speakers of the Russian language, and foreigners, as speakers of another language. And what is wrong here?

                You have not shown in any way that the expression "warehouse of filth" cannot be used by native speakers of Russian.

                You did not give any specific differences between how Russian native speakers and foreigners construct new words in Russian.
              15. SeFo Offline SeFo
                SeFo (Sergei) 4 February 2021 16: 46
                0
                Quote: Cyril
                What is the problem to replace the word "storage" with the absolutely synonymous word "warehouse" and get the construction "dirt warehouse" - I don’t know.

                Use your mind and think about why a reservoir and not a water storage.
              16. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 8 February 2021 20: 19
                -1
                Because water is liquid and cannot be stored. But dirt is quite possible.
          2. Ivan Semenov Offline Ivan Semenov
            Ivan Semenov (Ivan Semenov) 26 January 2021 14: 33
            +9
            Alexey, you have forgotten a simple truth: in order to argue with an idiot, you need to go down to his level, and on his site you cannot convince him.
          3. Alsur Offline Alsur
            Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 14: 44
            +9
            He is not even a diot, he simply manipulates words, since he obviously stands on one side and will never accept any arguments.
          4. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 15: 41
            -5
            he just manipulates words

            There is no manipulation of words.

            and will never accept any arguments.

            So there are no arguments from the opponents.

            By the way, "none" is written together in this case. This is to the question of whether you can talk about the norms of the Russian language if you yourself make mistakes in it.
        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 15: 42
          -5
          to argue with an idiot, you need to go down to his level,

          Therefore, no one argues with you :)
  • Unpoisoned Offline Unpoisoned
    Unpoisoned (Nora Nora) 26 January 2021 16: 15
    +2
    https://translate.academic.ru/Mudroom/en/ru/ Там еще можно нажать на "толкование", хотя и так всё понятно.
    There, and about the spa is suitable, so that the fastest was really translated from English. We would write in the architectural drawings: dressing room (outerwear dressing room), outerwear dressing room, vestibule, storage room (closet), service room, staff room, etc. To see many options and interpretations, the translator from Yandex is not suitable. Google translate generally translated "dirt"
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    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 01: 33
      -8
      We are talking about the hallway, where coats, raincoats ... if necessary, dirty shoes are left. Our hallway is called a hallway, but not a room for dirt.

      Yeah ... that's just on the plan, which you, of course, did not look at, this "hallway" is far from the exit.
  • Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
    Alexndr p (Alexander) 26 January 2021 11: 01
    +3
    That "Mud storage", that "mud warehouse" - constructions are quite acceptable from the point of view of the Russian language.

    for those who hum at mov, such turns may seem like a norm, by the way
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 15: 44
      -4
      Go learn Russian :) Several times write down the words "to", "despite" and "tyrant" - suddenly you will remember.
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 27 January 2021 15: 28
    +1
    The Federal Republic of Germany pretended not to be in the know, that the film was made under the supervision of Goebbels and personally approved by him.
  • Cherry Offline Cherry
    Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 25 January 2021 16: 58
    +13
    not by Navalny himself, but by his organization

    He was given ready-made material and he published it. The text says that this is a translation from a foreign. And yet. There is no organization of Navalny. They closed it as a foreign agent.)))
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 05
      .
      He was given the finished material and he published it.

      Who gave, when, under what circumstances? Do you have proof of this?

      The text says that this is a translation from a foreign

      And, you, too, the word "aquadiskoteka" caused confusion, like Peskov? Trouble ....

      There is no organization for Navalny. They closed it as a foreign agent.

      It has not been closed, it functions, although it has the status of a "foreign agent".
      1. Dear sofa expert. 25 January 2021 17: 39
        +11
        Do you have proof of this?

        Do you have evidence that this is true?

        And, you, too, the word "aquadiskoteka" caused confusion, like Peskov?

        It caused me too. The origin is not very Russian:
        "Aquadiskotheque of the century": Thousands of Berliners supported Navalny
        https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.dw.com/ru/akvadiskoteka-veka-tysjachi-berlincev-podderzhali-navalnogo/a-56326266

        The authorities got into power, sitting in armchairs,
        their stomachs cherish the brain do not strain.
        The smoke of the Fatherland blew over our houses,
        the nostrils have been pinned up, you have to move your brains.
        The smoke of the Fatherland is not terrible for ours near ......,
        because according to reports they recognize the work of a young man.
        Reports like pictures, draw by aunts - uncles,
        because the grilles are not for them, they will not sit there.
        The smoke of the Fatherland and gunpowder, and fire, and rot,
        a place in the cell for life yearns for them.


        Oh, you just confirmed foreign funding for Navalny's organization.)
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 42
          .
          Do you have evidence that this is true?

          Proof of what? The fact that the building discussed in Navalny's video belongs to Putin? No. So I have not stated this anywhere.

          It caused me too. The origin is not very Russian:

          There are a lot of words of non-Russian origin in Russian.

          Oh, you just confirmed foreign funding for Navalny's organization.)

          No, I just said that it has the status of a "foreign agent". I did not say anything about how legitimately this status was assigned to her.
          1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
            goncharov.62 (Andrei) 25 January 2021 18: 47
            +6
            Proof of what? Proof that Navalny is a traitor and an enemy of the country?
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      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 26 January 2021 03: 36
        +3
        Who gave, when, under what circumstances? Do you have proof of this?

        Here are all the details yes Enjoy wink

        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 04: 01
          -5
          I'll see it tomorrow.
        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 26 January 2021 04: 18
          -7
          I decided to look at the beginning. 12:40 on the timeline:

          Navalny: We came up with this investigation when I was still in intensive care.

          Sosnovsky: "We" invented - that is, he and the Charite doctors invented it? This is a Freudian slip ...

          Excuse me, but will Sosnovsky have this level of "argumentation" for the rest of his time?) The simple thought did not come to his bearded head that by "we" Navalny could well mean himself and the employees of his FBK, with whom he, no doubt, had communication?)

          The rest, for the sake of laughter, I'll look tomorrow and unsubscribe in detail.
          1. vlad25g1p414 Offline vlad25g1p414
            vlad25g1p414 (Vladimir Prigorodov) 27 January 2021 16: 24
            +1
            Cyril, a mentally healthy, adequate person cannot pound water about the same phrase in a mortar for at least 16 hours, but you can! Most likely, a whole department of the FBK (read: CIA or BND) is hiding under the nickname "Kirill".
          2. vlad25g1p414 Offline vlad25g1p414
            vlad25g1p414 (Vladimir Prigorodov) 27 January 2021 16: 35
            +2
            Cyril, you are such a connoisseur and interpreter of the Russian language, indeed, please unsubscribe, "with whom did he (Navalny), no doubt, have a connection?" Otherwise we all got confused with the ladies who accompanied Navalny to Tomsk - press secretary Kira, MI6 agent Maria (Marina) Pevchikh, wife Julia, and also a bunch of men!
  • white gentleman Offline white gentleman
    white gentleman (Ivan) 25 January 2021 17: 05
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    Independent expert report "Putin. Corruption" (2011), killed by order of the Kremlin B. Nemtsov.

    ... As Novaya Gazeta found out, the decision to build a palace near the village of Praskoveevka near the town of Gelendzhik, Krasnodar Territory, was made back in 2005, documents were prepared and signed by divisions of the Presidential Administration.
    In a "miraculous" way, not only the palace with all the buildings but also a huge piece of state land was transferred to the disposal of Mr. Shamalov's firm (in fact, to his private property). The corresponding decisions were signed by the head of the president's affairs V. Kozhin.
    According to S. Kolesnikov, who took part in the construction of the palace, V. Putin paid personal and constant attention to the construction of the palace, and the money at the disposal of N. Shamalov was the result of "a combination of such sources as corruption, theft and bribes."
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  • Alexander Nazarov (Alexander Nazarov) 26 January 2021 15: 36
    +3
    That bulk, that the organization, they are all supported by the money of the West and Americans. So these fake guns are worthless!
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 25 January 2021 16: 27
    .
    Smart - there is no problem of the palace, there is a problem in the German, who requires something.
    How about THIS -

    The Russian TV presenter also recalled that the owner of the "palace" has long been an entrepreneur from Russia Alexander Ponomarenko - Alexander Tkachev, who is the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, spoke about this back in 2011.

    Only the word hurts my eye - ALREADY? And isn't this the same Ponomarenko who is always in a share with Rotenberg?
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 25 January 2021 16: 49
      +14
      And you, at least, hear the word demands? It is probably high time to demand a report on the Netanyahu case.
    2. Cherry Offline Cherry
      Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 25 January 2021 16: 59
      +2
      All businessmen are in a share with someone. )))
    3. white gentleman Offline white gentleman
      white gentleman (Ivan) 25 January 2021 17: 11
      .
      Quote: AlexZN
      Only the word hurts my eye - ALREADY? And isn't this the same Ponomarenko who is always in a share with Rotenberg?

      And he bought the palace from N. Shamalov on a sham deal for the cost of a 2-room apartment, which was proved by the film.

      Kommersant ", 03.03.2011:

      Palace coup. The former owner of the Novorossiysk sea trade port, Alexander Ponomarenko, told in an interview with Kommersant why he needed to buy a scandalous boarding house near Gelendzhik from Shamalov.

      - Tell us what exactly will you build in Praskoveevka - an elite hotel?

      - I have not yet decided on the concept. It could be anything.

      Businessman Sergei Kolesnikov, who previously served on the board of directors of the Sogaz insurance group controlled by the Rossiya bank and who wrote an open letter to President Dmitry Medvedev about government corruption, told Kommersant that he was thinking about the urgent sale of Putin's palace.

      - I have no doubt that there can be no business project there, absolutely any person who has the slightest idea of ​​the functioning of the residences will say this.
      There is no sanatorium with three helipads, with a completely separate internal energy infrastructure and everything else. I believe that everything has been done with one goal - to get Mr. Shamalov out of this situation, so that there is no way to ask him a single question - where does the money come from?
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 25 January 2021 16: 28
    +9
    Look, they demand. To whip the bastard on the frontal spot and throw him out of the cordon.
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 25 January 2021 17: 22
      -5
      1. In the headline BERLIN demanded. Zathoff became Chancellor or Min. Indel (at least) to become Berlin.
      2. looked at Deutsche Welle - "If the accusations are not true, the Russian government can explain this to its citizens instead of detaining them." The demands boil down to the fact that the government should be accountable to its people, and not put them to prison. "Putin has always called the fight against corruption his goal. Now there is a good opportunity to demonstrate this concretely," added the Federal Government Commissioner for Russia.
      3. At the same time, he opposed the introduction of new sanctions against Russia. “Severing economic relations does not solve the problem,” Zathoff said. He also rejected demands to stop the Nord Stream 2 project because of the arrest of Alexei Navalny, since these events "have nothing to do with each other."
      PS The header really works. Castle - side, German - flogged!
      1. Dear sofa expert. 25 January 2021 17: 45
        +5
        Zathoff became Chancellor or Min. Indel (at least) to become Berlin.

        Actually, he:

        Johann Zathoff, Commissioner of the German Government for Intersocial Cooperation with Russia

        looked at Deutsche Welle - "If the accusations are not true, the Russian government can clarify this to its citizens

        Maybe he will explain when (and if) he sees fit.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 25 January 2021 17: 45
        +1
        1. In the headline BERLIN demanded. Zathoff became Chancellor or Min. Indel (at least) to become Berlin.

        Not only in the title, but also in the text of the article. This is more a question for the author than for me.

        The demands boil down to the fact that the government should be accountable to its people, and not put them to prison. "Putin has always called the fight against corruption his goal. Now there is a good opportunity to demonstrate this concretely," added the Federal Government Commissioner for Russia.

        For example, did they contact you with similar requirements?
        What other opportunity is there to demonstrate something? On every blather of the Berlin-fed mongrels should they explode and start making excuses? Recently Mishustin was exposed. Now on his "investigation" there is, for example, this "investigation"



        And no one is in a hurry, including Navalny's team, to explain "some inconsistencies." In fact, it says in plain text - Navalny was lying. Are you sure that in the case of the "palace" everything is different? In general, it is a lot of honor to make excuses for the yapping of the German-American mongrel.

        3. At the same time, he opposed the introduction of new sanctions against Russia. "Severing economic relations does not solve the problem"

        In other words, the Germans want a pipe and gas, but they do not intend to stop yapping. The prospect of being left without gas in winter is not encouraging, but they cannot refuse the "political line" either. Probably it is worth keeping them on hungry gas rations, let them feel life without Russian gas.
        The third point has nothing to do with Navalny and his cartoons.

        The header really works. Castle - side, German - flogged!

        Not certainly in that way. A headline to draw attention to an article is a common technique, but it is also present in the article itself. The castle is really all the side. And to whip a German without fail and with extreme cynicism, except for this case, has long been deserved. At least it is high time to introduce sanctions for Donbass. The Germans are not fulfilling their obligations. As far as I remember, they were supposed to establish a banking system there.
        1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
          Alexzn (Alexander) 25 January 2021 18: 35
          -2
          And you do not suppose that it is necessary to explain to your people regardless of the statements of the "well-fed Berlin mongrel"?
          How convenient it is to condemn not corruption, but a mongrel.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 26 January 2021 03: 45
            +5
            And you do not suppose that it is necessary to explain to your people regardless of the statements of the "well-fed Berlin mongrel"?

            So arrange?



            How convenient it is to condemn not corruption, but a mongrel.

            What to do, I have to. This topic is intensely exaggerated by the clan of comrades, from local Kiryush to the Runaway gentlemen from the Dnieper.
            You modestly kept silent about Netenyahu, did your German friends demand an explanation from him? And where can you find his explanations?
            1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
              Alexzn (Alexander) 26 January 2021 08: 52
              +1
              Even so. Someone will suit, I am not. More precisely, the first person is no longer required, but his press service must (not for me, this is a figure of speech, and not the demand of a mongrel from Jerusalem) to issue a press release on the issue of facts and documents.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 26 January 2021 16: 03
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                Glad that suits you. About the should, I'm not sure about the press service, but the prosecutor's office with the investigating office should probably figure this out. As far as I understand, the film contains inaccurate data, which is very similar to libel.
                So what about Netanyahu? Will he make excuses or not?
                1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                  Alexzn (Alexander) 26 January 2021 17: 05
                  0
                  I honestly tried to answer, but both times the post did not pass (I think for a technical reason).
                  Answer - Yes, they demanded! The centerpiece of the Bibi case is the corruption case in the acquisition of German submarines. Bibi was interrogated several times under the protocol as a suspect in this case. The prosecutor's office issued a decision to prosecute. It seems that sooner or later the case will go to court. If Bibi had a palace at least 10 times smaller (and he is from a wealthy family), he would never have become a prime minister. The scale of theft in our countries is incomparable.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 26 January 2021 17: 52
                    +1
                    Bibi was interrogated several times under the protocol as a suspect in this case. The prosecutor's office issued a decision to prosecute. It seems that sooner or later the case will go to court.

                    I asked you a little not about that. The prosecutor's office and the court are understandable. Surely there were "revelations" in the press, was there a reaction to them? Bibi reported publicly? Provided documents to the public? In general, did you make excuses before the "whistleblowers"?

                    If Bibi had a palace at least 10 times smaller (and he is from a wealthy family), he would never have become a prime minister.

                    If Putin was involved in corruption, and even in the acquisition of German submarines, he would not be president. laughing And yet, you are throwing in the thesis that Putin's palace. These are just the words of some kind of shit with poisoned cowards.
                    Why do you need a corrupt official in power? Let's make a film that the palace belongs to Bibi and it's in the bag.

                    The scale of theft in our countries is incomparable.

                    Of course, but it hardly speaks in your favor. The scale of our countries is not comparable.
                    Do you think there is a certain limit to which stealing is acceptable? Where is this limit and who set it?
                    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                      Alexzn (Alexander) 26 January 2021 18: 38
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                      Yes, Bibi reported publicly and more than once. In cases where he believed that he was being slandered, he sues.
                      Corruption in this case is the fact of the appointment of a relative as a lawyer for a kickback deal (not Bibi personally), in Russia this is considered the norm. The first time he publicly apologized in general in the case of adultery. The previous prime minister was jailed for receiving double travel money. These are the different scales of theft.
                      The power in our country is under such pressure of attention and dirt is being dug up on them by the press and the opposition. We can make a list of inmates ranging from the president and prime minister to the mayors of small settlements.
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 26 January 2021 19: 00
                        +1
                        Yes, Bibi reported publicly and more than once. In cases where he believed that he was being slandered, he sues.

                        Is this the only complaint about Bibi? He considers them to be his equal, let him justify himself, sue. We do not fall to their level.

                        Corruption in this case is the fact of the appointment of a relative as a lawyer for a kickback deal (not Bibi personally), in Russia this is considered the norm.

                        Oh come on you laughing here, following Ivanka's vivid example, Biden will have a new advisor or has already appeared in the mausoleum. (I do not follow the event). Will you flood us here as we are all mired in corruption. For example, you have a tradition of keeping prime ministers under investigation. There are no honest ones left at all? And nothing, this is the norm.

                        The previous prime minister was jailed for receiving double travel money. These are the different scales of theft.

                        Did he steal the bride? What kind of theft are we talking about?

                        The power in our country is under such pressure of attention and dirt is being dug up on them by the press and the opposition. We can make a list of inmates ranging from the president and prime minister to the mayors of small settlements.

                        Do we give them orders? sad Why are you poisoning me here? The list is longer than yours, starting with ministers and governors and further down the list.
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 25 January 2021 16: 35
    +1
    RF is really an international country. All nations are represented in the FORBS millionaire list ... Jews, Russians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Talysh, Kalmyks, etc., etc. This is so, offhand ... fellow
  • Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 25 January 2021 16: 53
    +5
    Russia Johann Zathoff demanded that the Russian authorities explain the circumstances associated with the so-called "Putin's palace"

    Let it demand topping up beer in a bar in Germany, and we ourselves will somehow figure it out.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 25 January 2021 16: 54
    +1
    Quote: 123
    And you, at least, hear the word demands? It is probably high time to demand a report on the Netanyahu case.

    Cuts. But! I'm not sure if the interpretation of this German's statement is correct. I think that he was talking about the fact that the leadership of the Russian Federation is obliged to explain (impersonal), meaning the people of Russia in the first place. If he demanded how it is served (once again - I doubt it) - then he is - like cancer.
    1. Cherry Offline Cherry
      Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 25 January 2021 17: 00
      +7
      It's just not his, the German, this is the case. And that's it!
    2. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 17
      -7
      But! I'm not sure if the interpretation of this German's statement is correct.

      All right doubt. Zathoff said:

      If the allegations are not true, the Russian government can clarify this to its citizens instead of detaining them.

      Not "should", not "obligated", but "may".
  • white gentleman Offline white gentleman
    white gentleman (Ivan) 25 January 2021 16: 58
    -9
    from a conversation between Merkel and US President Barack Obama in March 2014. They were quoted by the New York Times:

    I'm not sure if Mr Putin has kept in touch with reality. He is in another world.

    Merkel was amazed to tell Macron about her meeting with Putin:

    It's just incredible, Putin lied to me, looking straight into my eyes.
  • antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
    antibi0tikk (Sergei) 25 January 2021 17: 09
    +9
    So they got it with this palace. It belongs to Putin or to one of his friends personally to me in general. I have another question: the President of my country, in which house should he live? Dugout? Khrushchev? Cottage 150 sq. Homeless at the station? For this creature ebn in Yekaterinburg a center with an area of ​​more than 20 thousand square meters built. This is not normal!
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 20
      .
      What house should the president of my country live in?

      Anything, if its cost corresponds to the declared financial capabilities of the president.
      1. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
        Gennady1959 (Gennady) 25 January 2021 20: 25
        -5
        Brezhnev, Andropov lived in apartments on Kutuzovsky Avenue and nothing terrible happened, they did not have such palaces. I don’t believe the GDP. Chronic liar.
        1. Horon Offline Horon
          Horon (Kharon Erebovich) 26 January 2021 09: 12
          +1
          Brezhnev, Andropov lived in apartments on Kutuzovsky Prospekt and nothing terrible happened

          Brezhnev's palace (hunting lodge) in Crimea was slightly inferior in size to the Massandra Palace, and quite decent for Soviet times! So don't la-la! And also in the suburbs and near Sochi. negative
    2. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
      Gennady1959 (Gennady) 25 January 2021 20: 28
      -5
      By the way, VVP, the closest associate and disciple of this creature EBN. What do you think EBN handed over the presidency to his enemy? Here is the GDP and continues the work of EBN. He dispersed some oligarchs, created others.
    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 January 2021 21: 57
      -4
      Quote: antibi0tikk
      For this creature ebn in Yekaterinburg, a center with an area of ​​more than 20 thousand square meters. built. This is not normal!

      Zamet was built by Putin.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 26 January 2021 03: 52
        +4
        Zamet was built by Putin.

        Where is the investigation film and the demand to return the building to the people? What is not? winked Hands do not reach?request
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 January 2021 08: 49
          -2
          Are you working around the clock? What inheritance, the building officially belongs to the presidential administration, she also acted as the customer of the construction.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 26 January 2021 15: 53
            +1
            Are you working around the clock?

            What do you mean, sometimes I can't sleep, or so to speak, to change reality, I'll look at the site, get distracted.

            What inheritance, the building officially belongs to the presidential administration, she also acted as the customer of the construction.

            What are you saying? belay Moreover, it is necessary to sort it out immediately. If it was built for state money, why is some "Agora" profiting from it? The local community has been ringing the alarm for a long time. When to wait for the landing from the bulk?

            There are also questions about spending on an object. According to Meduza, the state allocated a subsidy of five billion rubles for the creation of the Yeltsin Center, and the museum borrowed another two billion from the Sverdlovsk region. Most of the area of ​​the building in which the museum is located is managed by the Agora Center company, which in 2017 earned 93 million rubles on rent at a cost of 209 million.

            https://www.uralinform.ru/news/society/306257-raskryty-skandalnye-phakty-o-stroitelstve-elcin-centra/
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 January 2021 19: 13
              -2
              Quote: 123
              What do you mean, sometimes I can't sleep, or so to speak, to change reality, I'll look at the site, get distracted.

              And I already thought of working in shifts in three persons.

              Quote: 123
              What are you talking about? Moreover, it is necessary to sort it out immediately. If it was built for state money, why is some "Agora" profiting from it? The local community has been ringing the alarm for a long time. When to wait for the landing from the bulk?

              I don't really understand your claims. Is Putin going to live in the Yeltsin Center? Or is it going to rename the Putin Center? What kind of Agora is this? That it is not very successful, 93 minus 209 = 116 million losses. If you are concerned about this Agora, investigate yourself. As the saying goes, hope for Navalny, but don't do it yourself.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 26 January 2021 19: 39
                +2
                And I already thought of working in shifts in three persons.

                Let the locomotive work like that, it's made of iron.

                I don't really understand your claims. Is Putin going to live in the Yeltsin Center?

                And I don't understand your position. They built it in Gelendzhik (and that is not a fact) it is bad, in Yekaterinburg they built it and this is normal. What do you care who lives where? Doesn't the fact of using state property by some strange organizations bother you?

                What kind of Agora is this? That it is not very successful, 93 minus 209 = 116 million losses. If you are concerned about this Agora, investigate yourself.

                Why investigate there? Everything has long been known (2013)

                The prosecutor's office recognized "Agora" as a "foreign agent"
                https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2013/04/30/prokuratura_priznala_agoru_inostrannym_agentom

                As the saying goes, hope for Navalny, but don't do it yourself.

                They will gorge on him, do not respect themselves No. It's you yourself somehow.
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 January 2021 21: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: 123
                  Let the locomotive work like that, it's made of iron.

                  As I say, it is necessary in shifts.

                  Quote: 123
                  And I don't understand your position. They built it in Gelendzhik (and that is not a fact) it is bad, in Yekaterinburg they built it and this is normal. What do you care who lives where? Doesn't the fact of using state property by some strange organizations bother you?

                  What was built, fact
                  https://yandex.ru/maps/?l=sat%2Cskl&ll=38.209511%2C44.420773
                  You do not understand the difference when individuals and companies build at their own expense a private house for a civil servant or a person in an elective position on the one hand, and on the other hand, when, by order of a state structure with state money, for the purposes determined, in this case, by the presidential administration, they build a public building? You know, if you don't understand this, I can hardly explain it to you.
                  This is not an outside organization, the Agora Center belongs to the Boris N. Yeltsin Presidential Center Foundation (the foundation), which in turn partially owns the Yeltsin Center. By the way, the fund is state.
                  https://www.nakanune.ru/news/2020/12/21/22591309/
                  I don't really understand what can be reprehensible if an organization provides premises in its own building to its own organization. Can you explain what the horror is horror?

                  Quote: 123
                  The prosecutor's office recognized "Agora" as a "foreign agent"

                  You know, he sees foreign agents around him, looks like a guy. This is a different organization.

                  Quote: 123
                  They will gorge on Sisyan, do not respect themselves. It's you yourself.

                  I don't really understand why, if you are so worried about this Agor, I should investigate something. Moreover, I do not understand what the problem is with this Agora.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 26 January 2021 23: 42
                    +1
                    As I say, it is necessary in shifts.

                    Or, in your case, as funding becomes available?

                    What was built, fact

                    Brilliantly good I meant that at the state expense as a center in Yekaterinburg.

                    You do not understand the difference when individuals and companies build at their own expense a private house for a civil servant or a person in an elective position on the one hand, and on the other hand, when, by order of a state structure with state money, for the purposes determined, in this case, by the presidential administration, they build a public building? You know, if you don't understand this, I can hardly explain it to you.

                    And where did you get the idea that "individuals and companies" built a private house "for a civil servant or a person in an elective position"?
                    An administrative building built with state money should have specific goals and this does not in any way imply their leasing by a foreign agent to maintain its "feed base".

                    This is not an outside organization, the Agora Center belongs to the Boris N. Yeltsin Presidential Center Foundation (the foundation), which in turn partially owns the Yeltsin Center. By the way, the fund is state.

                    What does a state fund mean? The foundation has been created, property has been transferred to it, and state funding is partially provided (archive, library, etc.).

                    The foundation is one of the most common organizational and legal forms of non-profit organizations. ... The property transferred to the foundation by its founders (founder) is the property of the foundation. The founders are not responsible for the obligations of the foundation they created, and the foundation is not responsible for the obligations of its founders

                    As for the "Agora Center" itself, the organizational form is a limited liability company, the founder is the Yeltsin Foundation.
                    In general, a rather curious organization. Over the past 4 years, a strange picture has been observed, during which time revenue has grown from 14 to 138 million, while profit fell from 211 to 34 million.
                    https://sbis.ru/contragents/7706767160/770601001

                    Thanks for the link, kinda good It seems that the "would-be businessmen" from the Agora are not very successful in managing the property entrusted to them. At the trial, they are trying to hide behind the "Foundation", for a very simple reason.
                    Art. 2 p. 7. Federal Law of May 13, 2008 N 68-FZ

                    The center cannot be declared insolvent (bankrupt).

                    https://yeltsin.ru/uploads/about/68fz.pdf

                    I really hope that in the near future we will find out the result of the audit, the same 68-FZ provides for it and clearly suggests itself. And I will not hang myself in criminal cases following its results.

                    You know, he sees foreign agents around him, looks like a guy. This is a different organization.

                    Yes, formally different, apparently the same "bark beetles", it is unlikely that the choice of the name is a mere coincidence.

                    I don't really understand why, if you are so worried about this Agor, I should investigate something. Moreover, I do not understand what the problem is with this Agora.

                    Do you work for Navalny? I wondered why they were not interested? Where does this selectivity come from?
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 27 January 2021 01: 10
                      -1
                      Quote: 123
                      Or, in your case, as funding becomes available?

                      In my case, on pure enthusiasm.

                      Quote: 123
                      Brilliantly I meant that at the state expense as the center in Yekaterinburg.

                      The fact of the matter is that not for the state.

                      Quote: 123
                      And where did you get the idea that "individuals and companies" built a private house "for a civil servant or a person in an elective position"?

                      I was convinced by Navalny's film.

                      Quote: 123
                      An administrative building built with state money should have specific goals and this does not in any way imply their leasing by a foreign agent to maintain its "feed base".

                      Once again, the Agora Center is not a foreign agent. This is the structure of the Boris Yeltsin Presidential Center Foundation. The building belongs to the Boris Yeltsin Presidential Center Foundation. The profit goes to the Boris Yeltsin Presidential Center Foundation.
                      The Agora that keeps you awake has long been eliminated.

                      Quote: 123
                      What does a state fund mean? The foundation has been created, property has been transferred to it, and state funding is partially provided (archive, library, etc.).

                      The founder of the fund is the state, or rather the presidential administration

                      6. The founder of the Center is the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - the founder of the Center).

                      http://www.yeltsincenter.ru/ustav-fonda-prezidentskii-tsentr-bn-eltsina?4&page=0

                      Quote: 123
                      Yes, formally different, apparently the same "bark beetles", it is unlikely that the choice of the name is a mere coincidence.

                      https://egrul.nalog.ru/index.html
                      If you look here for organizations with the name Agora, there will be under 1000 of them. Do you think they are all foreign agents? And this is not paranoia?

                      Quote: 123
                      Do you work for Sisyan? I wondered why they were not interested in this? Where does this selectivity come from?

                      What makes you think that I work there? Can you clearly formulate what FBK or I (it is not clear why) should look for there?
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 27 January 2021 01: 48
                        -1
                        The fact of the matter is that not for the state.

                        Want to say the Yeltsin Center was built on donations?

                        I was convinced by Navalny's film.

                        I'm not, I'm not that naive. I guess the question is closed?

                        The Agora that keeps you awake has long been eliminated.

                        It's time to eliminate this too.

                        The founder of the fund is the state, or rather the presidential administration

                        68-ФЗ Article 5. paragraph 1

                        Federal government bodies, government bodies
                        subjects of the Russian Federation, local authorities are not entitled
                        interfere with the activities of the Center, except for the cases provided for
                        federal laws.

                        Established, that's all, then they are on their own, this is not a state institution in the sense that they are used to understanding it.

                        If you look here for organizations with the name Agora, there will be under 1000 of them. Do you think they are all foreign agents? And this is not paranoia?

                        I looked, 843 have the word Agora in their name. Let the rest live, we must see what is there and how. Agora in the Yeltsin Center, definitely for scrap.

                        What makes you think that I work there? Can you clearly formulate what FBK or I (it is not clear why) should look for there?

                        You yourself asked what you should investigate. What else should I think after this? That you are going to investigate me in general on the drum.

                        Why are they not interested in the activities of this institution?
                        Have you looked at the link? Where does their profit go? How to use property provided by the state. Are they interested in corruption or only in the fight against the regime?
                      2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 27 January 2021 10: 34
                        0
                        Quote: 123
                        Want to say the Yeltsin Center was built on donations?

                        Including.

                        Quote: 123
                        I guess the question is closed?

                        For me, yes.

                        Quote: 123
                        It's time to eliminate this too.

                        Drum on the neck and forward. Contact the presidential administration.

                        Quote: 123
                        Established, that's all, then they are on their own, this is not a state institution in the sense that they are used to understanding it.

                        Well, OK. Then it is all the more incomprehensible, in what you see corruption, if the fund is not state.

                        Quote: 123
                        I looked, 843 have the word Agora in their name. Let the rest live, we must see what is there and how.

                        Are you sure this isn't paranoia?

                        Quote: 123
                        Agora in the Yeltsin Center, definitely for scrap.

                        Again, hold the flag in hand, a drum around your neck and contact the presidential administration.

                        Quote: 123
                        You yourself asked what you should investigate. What else should I think after this? That you are going to investigate me in general on the drum.

                        Quote: 123
                        They will gorge on him, do not respect yourself. It's you yourself.

                        Didn't you contact me?

                        Quote: 123
                        Why are they not interested in the activities of this institution?
                        Have you looked at the link? Where does their profit go? How to use property provided by the state.

                        Ask this question to FBK. I personally do not understand what kind of corruption you saw in the activities of the Yeltsin Center. One can hardly expect high profits from the charitable foundation and its structures. Moreover, according to you, the fund is not a state one.
                        The only thing that I understood from your explanations is that you have an unhealthy allergy to the word "agora" and a dislike for everything where the word "Yeltsin" is in the name.
                        If you know that corruption is taking place in this fund, why haven't you filed a complaint with the prosecutor's office yet? Just remember, the argument that an organization has the same name as a banned and closed organization can only impress a doctor.
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 27 January 2021 17: 05
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                        Drum on the neck and forward. Contact the presidential administration.

                        Lend yours. How will you finish with Gelendzhik?

                        Well, OK. Then it is all the more incomprehensible, in what you see corruption, if the fund is not state.

                        In the use of state property, turned into a feeding trough for strange "businessmen" from "Agora-Center".

                        Are you sure this isn't paranoia?

                        I'm sure. I don’t propose to put under the knife everything that has in the name "Agora", we need to figure out where the coincidence is, and where is the conglomerate of foreign agents and their sympathizers.

                        Again, hold the flag in hand, a drum around your neck and contact the presidential administration.

                        Again, I hope I don’t have my own inventory, I hope you will let me use it.

                        Ask this question to FBK. I personally do not understand what kind of corruption you saw in the activities of the Yeltsin Center.

                        Well, what about Gelendzhik, did you find her? it is useless to ask them a question, they work on a prepaid basis.

                        I personally do not understand what kind of corruption you saw in the activities of the Yeltsin Center. One can hardly expect high profits from the charitable foundation and its structures. Moreover, according to your assurances, the fund is not state-owned.

                        No substitutions needed. I'm talking about Agora Center and its strange activities. This is not charity.

                        If you know that corruption is taking place in this fund, why haven't you filed a complaint with the prosecutor's office yet?

                        Did you write your own on Gelendzhik? smile

                        Just remember, the argument that an organization has the same name as a banned and closed organization can only impress a doctor.

                        And I'm not suggesting that organizations be banned by name, it's just an outward sign. A number of enterprises, for example subsidiaries, have similar names. Let's say Gazprom and Gazprom-Media Holding. so you can go to the doctor yourself.
                      4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 28 January 2021 13: 30
                        -2
                        Quote: 123
                        Lend yours. How will you finish with Gelendzhik?

                        What happened to the patriots, they used to lift the virgin lands with one shovel in difficult conditions, but now give a drum, give a flag, carry out an investigation. What kind of infantilism? Eh ... there are only jingoistic patriots left.

                        Quote: 123
                        In the use of state property, turned into a feeding trough for strange "businessmen" from "Agora-Center".

                        So the property is no longer state-owned. The state donated funds to the fund for the construction of this center. The center belongs to the foundation, and you yourself assert that the foundation has nothing to do with the state. Accordingly, there is no state property there.
                        Well, damn the details. The Agora Center belongs to the same foundation. What exactly do you impute to unknown "businessmen" from "Agora-Center"? What crime did they commit? What is it? Inflating the Yeltsin Foundation? Does it upset you?
                        The only thing that I understood is that you do not like these organizations and only on this basis do you demand from, for some reason, FBK to conduct an investigation. This is a strange position.

                        Quote: 123
                        I'm sure. I don’t propose to put under the knife everything that has in the name "Agora", we need to figure out where the coincidence is, and where is the conglomerate of foreign agents and their sympathizers.

                        And I'm not sure, checking organizations just because they are called "Agora" is strange.

                        Quote: 123
                        Again, I hope I don’t have my own inventory, I hope you will let me use it.

                        see above

                        Quote: 123
                        Well, what about Gelendzhik, did you find her? it is useless to ask them a question, they work on a prepaid basis.

                        Of course, this palace has been associated with the name of Moli for ten years without any Navalny.
                        What do you mean by the word corruption?

                        Quote: 123
                        No substitutions needed. I'm talking about Agora Center and its strange activities. This is not charity.

                        What is this strange activity? You have been writing about this agora for three days, but you have not been able to formulate what you accuse them of.

                        Quote: 123
                        Did you write your own on Gelendzhik?

                        They wrote about Gelendzhik without me, beaten environmentalist, to President Medvedev, RBC in their materials, which is equivalent to a statement to law enforcement agencies. Why do you keep nodding at others all the time? If you see lawlessness, why does nothing? Eh ... Not that patriot today.

                        Quote: 123
                        And I'm not suggesting that organizations be banned by name, it's just an outward sign. A number of enterprises, for example subsidiaries, have similar names. Let's say Gazprom and Gazprom-Media Holding. so you can go to the doctor yourself.

                        Do you think that the enemies have created a corporation under the same name with an extensive network of branches with the same name? Tell me honestly, are you kidding? I hope so, at least.
                      5. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 28 January 2021 13: 54
                        +2
                        What happened to the patriots, they used to lift the virgin lands with one shovel in difficult conditions, but now give a drum, give a flag, carry out an investigation. What kind of infantilism? Eh ... there are only jingoistic patriots left.

                        What to do, times are changing. After all, the liberda is not the same now No. Previously, I used to wave a kyle in the tundra, and all with songs and jokes. And now everyone has become tender, virtual revolutionaries, they consider a poke with an ankle for an insult.

                        So the property is no longer state-owned. The state donated funds to the fund for the construction of this center. The center belongs to the foundation, and you yourself assert that the foundation has nothing to do with the state. Accordingly, there is no state property there.

                        There are not many forms of ownership. If not state, then suppose what in this case? The state transferred land and buildings to the foundation. I already gave you a link to the Federal Law, everything is there, read, educate yourself.

                        What exactly do you impute to unknown "businessmen" from "Agora-Center"? What crime did they commit? What is it? Inflating the Yeltsin Foundation?

                        In my opinion, I already wrote what exactly I mean, re-read the comments again.

                        And I'm not sure, checking organizations just because they are called "Agora" is strange.

                        To conduct an audit, especially if it is prescribed in the law, looks strange only from the eyes of a rogue and a thief. And no need to be blunt, I already wrote that the name is only an external sign. What is it that your attention today, scattered for an hour, is not at the meeting with an ankle boot?

                        What is this strange activity? You have been writing about this agora for three days, but you have not been able to formulate what you accuse them of.

                        For especially "absent-minded" I repeat again yes
                        "Agora-Center" has rather strange financial indicators, revenue is growing, profits are falling, while in debt like silk, judging by your link, they want to lose it. Is this not enough to get interested in the activity and conduct an audit?

                        They wrote about Gelendzhik without me, beaten environmentalist, to President Medvedev, RBC in their materials, which is equivalent to a statement to law enforcement agencies.

                        Apparently he is forgetful, for sure they turned him off from work. Or I haven't forgotten, but I haven't found any violations. were you interested in the result?

                        Why do you keep nodding at others all the time?

                        Is this just your privilege?

                        Eh ... Not that patriot today.

                        But the liberda does not change. all the same rotten intelligentsia, Trotskyists-deviators, and further down the list.

                        Do you think that the enemies have created a corporation under the same name with an extensive network of branches with the same name?

                        Do you think that the enemies have created a corporation under the same name with an extensive network of branches with the same name? Tell me honestly, are you kidding? I hope so, at least.

                        I'm tired of repeating the same thing to you. Tell me honestly, are you dumb?
                      6. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 29 January 2021 16: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: 123
                        Earlier she waved with a kyle in the tundra and all with songs and jokes.

                        Yes Yes. Those were the times, and a liberal with a patriot and a communist with a monarchist waved shoulder to shoulder with a pick.

                        Quote: 123
                        And now everyone has become tender, virtual revolutionaries, they consider a poke with an ankle for an insult.

                        Do you think an elderly lady who was in intensive care was offended?

                        Quote: 123
                        There are not many forms of ownership. If not state, then suppose what in this case? The state transferred land and buildings to the foundation. I already gave you a link to the Federal Law, everything is there, read, educate yourself.

                        If it did, it means it belongs to the foundation. Which, as you say, is not a state one.

                        Quote: 123
                        To conduct an audit, especially if it is spelled out in the law, looks strange only in the eyes of a rogue and a thief. And do not be blunt, I already wrote that the name is only an external sign.

                        The audit is not strange, it is strange to choose for it organizations solely with the word "Agora" in the name due to the fact that once upon a time there was a human rights organization with the same name.

                        Quote: 123
                        What is your attention today, scattered for an hour, not at the meeting with a bootleader?

                        If I were you, I would worry about your head.

                        Quote: 123
                        For especially "absent-minded" I repeat again
                        "Agora-Center" has rather strange financial indicators, revenue is growing, profits are falling, while in debt like silk, judging by your link, they want to lose it. Is this not enough to get interested in the activity and conduct an audit?

                        Oh May Year! You have solved the crime of the century! Profit FALLS! As I did not immediately notice. What comparison can there be with a moth palace?

                        Here I looked at your link for other organizations
                        https://sbis.ru/contragents/7706784776/773101001
                        https://sbis.ru/contragents/7703266857/770201001
                        https://sbis.ru/contragents/7733674934/773301001

                        Organizations whose revenue is growing, and the profit falls, if not after one, then after five exactly. Where is Navalny looking, why isn't he conducting an investigation? Probably because he's a spy?
                        Don't tell me, falling profits and high debts, what is this article of the Criminal Code?
                        By the way, yes, the fund must be audited annually. Don't know how the result is? These results must be reported to the board of trustees. Our trustees are the head of the presidential administration with a deputy, the head of the Sverdlovsk region with a deputy, the minister of defense. Surely they are in shares. What do you think?

                        Quote: 123
                        Apparently he is forgetful, for sure they turned him off from work. Or I haven't forgotten, but I haven't found any violations. were you interested in the result?

                        Yes, the result is known. The ecologist was beaten half to death, he fired the editors of RBC, and Medvedev "has no money, but you hold on" and went downhill skiing on his site with his lift and admiring the duck house.

                        Quote: 123
                        Is this just your privilege?

                        You are nodding at someone again.

                        Quote: 123
                        But the liberda does not change. all the same rotten intelligentsia, Trotskyists-deviators, and further down the list.

                        You will decide, at the beginning of your opus, it is not the same, now it does not change. What you are not permanent. And you, as I understand it, are plaritarites from the plow?

                        Quote: 123
                        I'm tired of repeating the same thing to you. Tell me honestly, are you dumb?

                        Listen, if you lose in the discussion, you lose with dignity, you don't see yourself as a bazaar woman. In the competition in rudeness, I'm certainly not your rival. In this field you compete with the respected isofat, you will deserve each other.
                      7. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 29 January 2021 17: 44
                        +2
                        Yes Yes . Those were the times, we were waving to the shoulder with a kyle, and a liberal with a patriot, and a communist with a monarchist.

                        Nostalgic? laughing

                        Do you think an elderly lady who was in intensive care was offended?

                        "An elderly lady" purposefully came to an unsanctioned rally and began to pester the police leading the detainee. Experiment, try to do the same in any other place, in our country or abroad. I'm sure you'll like it if you survive. I have written without knowing the details - she would have stood in front of the paravoz and asked where she was going. By the way, I don’t know what about the resuscitation, but the "elderly lady" suspiciously quickly left the hospital. Our doctors are doing miracles, they say they ruined medicine laughing And now her whereabouts are not known, they say colleagues are hiding from the regime.

                        If it did, it means it belongs to the foundation. Which, as you say, is not a state one.

                        State, not state ... I gave you a link to the law, delve into health, everything is written there.

                        Oh May Year! You have solved the crime of the century! Profit FALLS! As I did not immediately notice. What comparison can there be with a moth palace?

                        LLC Seiplay, what does it have to do with our question? Has the state given him the property for "feeding" too?

                        Don't tell me, falling profits and high debts, what is this article of the Criminal Code?

                        Did I say that this is an article of the Criminal Code? In my opinion, I mentioned the need for an audit.

                        By the way, yes, the fund must be audited annually. Don't know how the result is? These results must be reported to the board of trustees. Our trustees are the head of the presidential administration with a deputy, the head of the Sverdlovsk region with a deputy, the minister of defense. Surely they are in shares. What do you think?

                        I do not know. Perhaps there was a fund audit. I'm talking specifically about the activities of the Agora Center.

                        Yes, the result is known. The ecologist was beaten half to death, he fired the editors of RBC, and Medvedev "has no money, but you hold on" and went downhill skiing on his site with his lift and admiring the duck house.

                        It became interesting what happened to the ecologist ... Fresh article ..

                        In his high-profile investigation into the "Putin's palace" near Gelendzhik, Russian oppositionist and prisoner of conscience Alexei Navalny mentioned the case of the beating of Andrei Rudomakha, coordinator of the "Environmental Watch for the North Caucasus". Amnesty International has long supported Rudomakha and his colleagues who were injured in the attack, and is demanding that the Russian authorities investigate the attack.

                        https://eurasia.amnesty.org/2021/01/20/v-rassledovanii-o-dvorcze-putina-aleksej-navalnyj-upomyanul-izbienie-ekologa-andreya-rudomahi-amnesty-international-rasskazyvaet-o-ego-dele-podrobnee/

                        As I read about the prisoner of conscience, a tear broke through. crying
                        Tellingly, for 2017, the Environmental Watch for the North Caucasus was listed in foreign agents, as were its two satellites from the same Ehovata. An interesting name, isn't it? Something tells me that they have a mediocre relationship to ecology. But this is surely a coincidence, is it true? Is there evidence that he is a "victim of the regime"? In my opinion, one assumption.

                        You are nodding at someone again.

                        Not to anyone, but to you, it means you can, I don't. What kind of discrimination?

                        You will decide, at the beginning of your opus, it is not the same, now it does not change. What you are not permanent. And you, as I understand it, are plaritarites from the plow?

                        It is simple, "not the same" means degeneration, decrease in quality, and so on, "does not change" means the immutability of the vile essence. There are no contradictions here. Whether I am a proletarian or not, in this case it does not matter. Beliefs and property or class are not linked.

                        Listen, if you lose in the discussion, you lose with dignity, you don't see yourself as a bazaar woman. In the competition in rudeness, I'm certainly not your rival. In this field you compete with the respected isofat, you will deserve each other.

                        Did you get it too? laughing However, it is not surprising if you ask the same question three times, the reaction is not difficult to predict winked
                      8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 3 February 2021 00: 45
                        -3
                        Quote: 123
                        Nostalgic?

                        No

                        Quote: 123
                        "An elderly lady" purposefully came to an unsanctioned rally and began to pester the police leading the detainee.

                        She didn't do anything illegal. Unlike a policeman.
                        I know one secret way to avoid such excesses in the future. In compliance with Article 31 of the Constitution, do not prohibit peaceful assembly of citizens. Then do not bother to beat women in the stomach.

                        Quote: 123
                        State, not state ... I gave you a link to the law, delve into health, everything is written there.

                        Thanks for the link. Vnik, you were right, the fund is not state and the property transferred to it, respectively, too.

                        Quote: 123
                        LLC Seiplay, what does it have to do with our question? Has the state given him the property for "feeding" too?

                        You and I seem to have figured out everything about the property, so Agora-Cent LLC also has nothing to do with state property. And the ratio of indicators of profit and income for these firms is similar. And, I get it, there is no Agora in the name of Seiplay LLC. This is the main sign of corruption.

                        Quote: 123
                        Did I say that this is an article of the Criminal Code? In my opinion, I mentioned the need for an audit.

                        I don’t think that your personal dislike for the word of Agora and Yeltsin to the center is a worthy reason for an audit. The Yeltsin Foundation is audited every year, why doesn't it suit you?

                        Quote: 123
                        I do not know. Perhaps there was a fund audit. I'm talking specifically about the activities of the Agora Center.

                        Agora Center belongs to the foundation, rents the foundation's premises and receives money from the foundation. Do you think the fund's auditors have not noticed the machinations of the Agora Center, moreover, for 5 years in a row?
                        Quote: 123
                        As I read about the prisoner of conscience, a tear broke through.
                        Tellingly, for 2017, the Environmental Watch for the North Caucasus was listed in foreign agents, as were its two satellites from the same Ehovata. An interesting name, isn't it? Something tells me that they have a mediocre relationship to ecology. But this is surely a coincidence, is it true? Is there evidence that he is a "victim of the regime"? In my opinion, one assumption.

                        What did you want to say? You have some strange fad in words. What sedition did you see in the title "Environmental watch in the North Caucasus" and "Ekovahta"?

                        Quote: 123
                        Not to anyone, but to you, it means you can, I don't. What kind of discrimination?

                        I am not nodding at anyone, especially at you. Nod to your health, who forbids you. Just some kind of infantile position.

                        Quote: 123
                        It is simply, "not the same" means degeneration, decrease in quality, and so on, "does not change" means the immutability of a vile essence.

                        I will not tire of repeating that I like optimism in you, it is a pity that it is not based on anything. By your example, we have analyzed the degeneration of "patriots" who are not capable of anything but nod at others, and you are all worried about others.

                        Quote: 123
                        Whether I am a proletarian or not, in this case it does not matter. Beliefs and property or class are not linked.

                        Really from

                        Quote: 123
                        rotten intelligentsia, Trotskyists-deviators, and further down the list.

                        ?

                        Quote: 123
                        Did you get it too? However, it is not surprising if you ask the same question three times, the reaction is not difficult to predict

                        I don't know if I got him, but he is following me throughout the forum, for some reason he is not stopped by the fact that I ignore his comments.
                        How can you not ask again if you cannot clearly formulate your claims to the Agora Center, except that the name contains the word Agora.
                        PS You have the following news:
                        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/01/02/2021/60181fe89a7947e76062dc95



                        https://www.vesti.ru/article/2093017 (10 лет назад)
                        do not cause cognitive dissonance?
                        When does your idol speak like that about your anti-idol? Do you understand that this Yeltsin center was built by order of your idol?
                      9. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 February 2021 23: 48
                        -1
                        By the way, there was a program in the topic



                        Have a look.
                        Putin donated 300 thousand from his personal funds to the Yeltsin Center. Do you think the Agora Center stole them?
                2. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 28 January 2021 13: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Oleg Rambover
                  What happened to the patriots, before, with one shovel in difficult conditions, they raised virgin lands ...

                  Oleg Rambover, and what kind of strange thoughts you have? Somewhere lathered, or are you waiting for what? wink
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 17: 15
    -8
    This is what the title looks like:

    Berlin demanded explain the origin of "Putin's palace" - in Russia they answered

    This is what Zathoff's words look like:

    If the allegations are not true, the Russian government can clarify this to your citizens instead of detaining them, "Zathoff said.

    Zathoff criticized the actions of the Russian police
    "Putin has always called the fight against corruption his goal. Now there is a good opportunity to demonstrate this concretely," added the Federal Government Commissioner for Russia.

    It is not clear where the authors of the article found the "requirement". Since when the requirement in Russian is expressed by the verb "to be able" is not clear.

    A recommendation or advice - yes, quite. Moreover, useful advice, I must admit.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 27 January 2021 00: 40
      0
      This is what Zathoff's words look like:

      If the accusations are not true, the Russian government can clarify this to its citizens instead of detaining them, "Zathoff said.

      Zathoff criticized the actions of the Russian police
      "Putin has always called the fight against corruption his goal. Now there is a good opportunity to demonstrate this concretely," added the Federal Government Commissioner for Russia.

      It is not clear where the authors of the article found the "requirement". Since when the requirement in Russian is expressed by the verb "to be able" is not clear.

      Yes, Zaathoff's translation is basically correct. But here the dispute is not so much for his speech as for the heading that defines the essence of the article, as I understand it? And he (headline) in the German media sounds exactly like a demand.
      Here's an example of one such article:

      Russland-Koordinator Saathoff fordert vom Kreml Aufklärung über Korruptionsvorwürfe - Gegen Sanktionen und Stopp von Nord Stream II
      https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.presseportal.de/pm/amp/57706/4820019
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 January 2021 17: 31
    +3
    Ha.

    the authorities in Russia ... must explain to their citizens ... Putin ... do not correspond ...

    Just like the proverb. To all whom I owe - I forgive.

    I read it. And the palace is not very big. And the sofas aren't the most expensive. In the furniture store on Leningradka it is more expensive, but worse in quality.
    They have not seen our similar palaces. Sofas. Gilding.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 25 January 2021 18: 03
    +9
    Johann Zathoff, Commissioner of the German Government for Intersocial Cooperation with Russia, demanded that the Russian authorities explain the circumstances associated with the so-called "Putin's palace", which was discussed in the Navalny film, writes Deutsche Welle

    1. With what ease did this one fall for the deliberate lie of the bulk - raises questions - uncle, who do you work for? what means do you support the press secretary and other servants, organize mass sabbaths, etc.
    2. No state in the world or their representatives have the right to demand explanations about property, especially from the president of another country
    3. Only this is a lie this bulk nit should be planted for life
  • Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
    Gennady1959 (Gennady) 25 January 2021 20: 20
    +4
    Damn, he can demand something from his Gretchen in the kitchen, and that's not a fact, he can get a frying pan in the forehead for violating women's rights. Let him put things in order with the migrants who rape kill the Germans. And after that he will not have the right to demand anything from Russia.
  • maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 25 January 2021 20: 25
    +2
    Berlin demanded? And without snotty slippery!
  • lahudra Offline lahudra
    lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 25 January 2021 21: 00
    -5
    Is all the property of the mysterious businessman Ponomarenko guarded by the FSB and the FSO? What other assets does the Russian nugget have?
    1. Alsur Offline Alsur
      Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 12: 49
      +2
      And if, for example, high-ranking officials of the Ministry of Defense or border troops are resting there, then such security will no longer be strange to you?
  • Mantrid Machina Offline Mantrid Machina
    Mantrid Machina (Mantrid Machina) 26 January 2021 03: 50
    +2
    Navalny's biggest problem is that whether it was a structure like Putin's palace, a drone (Mavik pro or Phantom 3 or what they were shooting for), it just could not fly there within a radius of 2-3 kilometers, because electronic warfare is fraught with drones wassat
  • sapper2 Offline sapper2
    sapper2 (Minesweeper2) 26 January 2021 03: 54
    -3
    The question is different since Putin has given up on him -WHE is this barn? Especially with the status of a state facility?
  • marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 26 January 2021 04: 30
    0
    I can not understand this stupid craving for palaces among the poor people !?
    But it seems Germany has gone too far, here they are again portrayed as enemies, they forget they forget !!!
  • high Offline high
    high (Anatoly) 26 January 2021 06: 17
    0
    By the way, who is the owner of this structure?
  • Qassam Offline Qassam
    Qassam (Alexander) 26 January 2021 08: 01
    +1
    Right is the impudence of the West. Impunity breeds permissiveness.
    And who is Navalny anyway? What did he do to be at the forefront of all the news in the world? Truly, "one cannot become famous for good deeds", in the words of the old chappot girl ...
  • bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 26 January 2021 08: 59
    +1
    Why on earth, some Zathoff can demand, why the hell is this idiot sticking his nose into other people's business?
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 12: 47
    +1
    Quote: Cyril
    It has not been closed, it functions, although it has the status of a "foreign agent".

    You will probably be closer, here's the news from the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-53475063
    So FBK closed Navalny or not?
  • Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 26 January 2021 12: 51
    -2
    Yes-ah ... I see that no one still enters into the topic ... They talk about particulars, like they argue who owns what .... But the question is, in the mafia to whom - what belongs? What are the relationships in the "mafia family", distribution of responsibilities, attitude to property, and so on? Here, here, "the whole dog is buried." Can the state have a mafia? Maybe more than one. Can the mafia have its own state? Who "rules" in Russia? Russia is a "country of opportunities"! wink laughing
  • Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 26 January 2021 13: 02
    +2
    According to verified information, information about the palace was leaked from unverified sources. Dot.
  • banpiter Offline banpiter
    banpiter (banpiter) 26 January 2021 13: 49
    0
    That Navalny himself, that the "Russian businessman Sergei Kolesnikov" (co-owner of "Petromed", who died several years ago, distinguished himself in grandiose and "legally correct" "suction" of money aimed at the development of medical institutions in Russia), who was mentioned with him to the States, and others like him with them - the links of one tangled chain. And simply dolls. But who is the puppeteer pulling the strings? It would be interesting to know ...
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 26 January 2021 14: 51
    +2
    Quote: Cyril
    Brought. In another thread, I gave an example of the phrase "mud storage" used on one site of the mud baths. What is the problem to replace the word "storage" with the absolutely synonymous word "warehouse" and get the construction "dirt warehouse" - I don’t know.

    This is because you are Russian-speaking, but not Russian (Russian).
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 26 January 2021 15: 56
    +1
    Any site, and even more so not registered anywhere, lives on advertising.
    The ad price tag is calculated based on the number of visits.
    Two or three emigrants, and perhaps only one in fact, initiate an emotional discussion.
    Well, well done, we are not bored, the site is a small penny. Everything is in business !!!
  • igoreshko Offline igoreshko
    igoreshko (Igor Oreshko) 26 January 2021 16: 59
    +1
    Why the hell are you breeding demagoguery here, Putin's palace Putin's palace. What kind of dog business is he has a palace he does not have a palace, but for what he did for the country and the people, he is supposed to have not one but ten palaces in every city and erect a monument during his lifetime. I don't give a damn about all Western tolerasts and their opinions, but they didn't do what he did for a thousandth. Despite the slavish constitution written under the dictation of the invaders and the Anglo-Saxons, Putin saved the country and the army, returned the Crimea, pinned the tail of the choking oligarchs and at the end rewrote the slave constitution into the constitution of an independent state. It is necessary to send all the requests of the European Caudles to the forests and answer adequately it is not their business to go to the president of Russia.
    1. rodus Offline rodus
      rodus (DEMIURG 3) 27 January 2021 16: 59
      -1
      Are you sick, dear? You should make an appointment with a good doctor ...
  • Ivancarafuto Offline Ivancarafuto
    Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 26 January 2021 19: 15
    0
    Navalny's owners sit both overseas and surrounded by the president. How else to explain that unscrupulous mediocrity is being promoted and imposed on the country according to a scenario that coincides by 89% with the promotion of Yushchenko by the Americans in Ukraine?
  • Herman 4223 Offline Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 (Alexander) 27 January 2021 11: 17
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    YouTube is a very convenient Internet platform for the USA. You can directly finance your people through it, as if donations from citizens. Try to prove the opposite, you can even pay taxes on this, and in order to have views, throw this video wherever possible. Well, and a small troll factory to create the right opinion among ordinary people that the video is worth it.
  • rsp951 Offline rsp951
    rsp951 (Sergey Kuznetsov) 27 January 2021 16: 52
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    Who cares whose palace it is. It is located on the territory of Russia, and not outside, like yachts and planes, money, children, grandchildren, etc., taxes from it are paid to the Russian budget. You can always confiscate in case of violation of the law. Everyone recognizes private property (or refuse privatized apartments, land plots, etc.)
  • rodus Offline rodus
    rodus (DEMIURG 3) 27 January 2021 16: 57
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    The Russian TV presenter also recalled that the owner of the "palace" has long been an entrepreneur from Russia Alexander Ponomarenko

    - no-no-no drukh, Ponomarenko yesterday disowned this damned palace, like the devil from incense.))))
  • Rostislav Offline Rostislav
    Rostislav (Rostislav) 28 January 2021 10: 19
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    Summon the ambassador and slap a note for attempting to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia.
    He was going to demand an answer, an eccentric with the letter M.
  • Grigory_78 Offline Grigory_78
    Grigory_78 (Grigory R.) 28 January 2021 23: 24
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    Here they demand from Putin or his services to prove that the palace does not belong to him. I think it's worth doing differently. To make a film that this palace belongs to Navalny himself. For example, it was acquired by Khodorkovsky through a figurehead, then it was resold, reissued, and so on. As evidence - hazy photographs of separate documents and photoshopped interiors of world museums. And let him try to prove with documents that this is not so.