The problem of water supply in Crimea is proposed to be solved in exotic ways


The dry summer of 2020 is over, but the problem of water supply in Crimea is still urgent. In the resort towns of the peninsula, water is supplied only for a couple of hours in the morning and evening. What will happen in the summer of 2021, which may be no less hot and dry than the previous one?


Problems for the Russian Crimea were created by his "evil stepmother" Ukraine, which cut off water supplies through the North Crimean Canal. So far, no one has died of thirst, but the damage to agriculture and the ecology of the peninsula was catastrophic. What is the value of the cloud of acid fumes over the city of Armenian, formed due to the shortage of fresh water in the waste storage facilities of the Crimean Titan enterprise in 2018? The main culprit of the unfavorable situation on the peninsula is undoubtedly Kiev, but a considerable share of the responsibility of our regional authorities and federal authorities cannot be denied. Six years have passed since the annexation of Crimea, and things are still there.

The simplest and most logical solution would be to accuse Ukraine of the genocide of the population of the peninsula as revenge for their political choice and take control of the infrastructure of the North Crimean Canal by the forces of the RF Ministry of Defense. However, the Kremlin is clearly not ready for such a tough scenario. The option to build a water pipeline from the neighboring Kuban is also subject to justified criticism, since the ecological situation on the rivers of the Krasnodar Territory is not the best, and the locals themselves do not have enough water there. Large-scale digging of artesian wells in Crimea has shown itself from the negative side, because due to the mineral composition of groundwater, a gradual and constant salinization of soils occurs, which leads to their sterility. So what is left then?

Currently, there is a discussion on the need to include the problem of water supply in Crimea in the federal target program for the development of regions. If a decision is made, within the framework of the FTP, it will be possible to carry out several measures that can resolve the issue of water supply to the peninsula once and for all.

At first, there is no doubt about the need to repair and modernize the existing pipeline networks. Water losses during transportation through them in places can reach 40-70%. It's like carrying water in a sieve. At the same time, it would be nice to solve the problem with the Crimean sewage system. Swimming in the rivers of the peninsula and in the Black Sea water is not psychologically very comfortable if you know its real composition.

SecondlyIf you take into account the military scenario of the return of water supplies to the peninsula, the most realistic peaceful scenario is the desalination of seawater. It has been said about this for a very long time, but some steps began to be taken only at the end of last year, when the problem against the background of little snowy winter and summer drought became simply glaring. It is not yet clear whether the issue of the construction of desalination plants will be resolved on its own, or some foreign partners will be involved.

Israeli companies that have a lot of practical experience in this matter are asking themselves, but will they agree to work in the sanctioned Crimea? It is possible that the United States will impose restrictive measures on those business structures that may show interest in the peninsula themselves or provide equipment and Technology... Obviously, this problem will have to be solved somehow, and it will take a lot of time.

It is not surprising that in our country they are gushing with alternative ideas for water supply to Crimea. We again returned to the idea of ​​"irrigating" the peninsula, artificially causing rain. No, we are not talking about prayers, this stage with a direct appeal to the "Heavenly Chancellery" the leadership of the Republic has already passed in 2020. Last summer, a specialized Yak-42D aircraft belonging to Roshydromet flew to Crimea. Its task is to treat clouds with silver iodide squibs in order to cause pouring rain from them. Then they did not have time to test the plane in business due to bureaucratic red tape, but in 2021 the experiment could still take place. Experts point to the experience of China, which relies on meteorological aviation, with whose help Beijing intends to "water" more than half of its rather large territory.

Whether it will succeed in Crimea, we will see. Meanwhile, even more exotic ideas sound. It is proposed to install "chimneys" near the Crimean coast, some specialized floating platforms that will fumigate clouds going towards the peninsula so that rain will pour out of them. True, in practice this can only work with a large number of these very "chimneys" that still need to be built, taking over the already small capacities of the domestic shipbuilding industry. Then the Crimean water will become truly "golden", and the budget money will go down the drain in every sense.
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  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 11: 49
    -5
    Kiev is undoubtedly the main culprit of the unfavorable situation on the peninsula.

    )))
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 23 January 2021 12: 31
      +3
      In the artificially created lack of water for the citizens of Crimea, the Ukrainian authorities are 100% wine, only Crimean organizations for some reason did not file claims in international courts for the water genocide of residents. The authorities of the Russian Federation may be accused of annexing Crimea, but to the people of Crimea it is a humanitarian crime to take water away, especially since irrigation and water supply to Crimea was created by the joint efforts of the entire USSR, including the inhabitants of Crimea, and in fact is not the property of only Ukraine ... ...
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 13: 12
        -7
        but for the people of Crimea, taking water away is a humanitarian crime

        So he (the people of Crimea), sort of like in a "nationwide and free referendum" unanimously confessed his love for Russia and joyfully "returned to his native harbor"? Or is it not?

        and in fact is not the property of only Ukraine ...

        Is an. It became the property of Ukraine as a result of agreements reached between the heads of these countries during the division of territories.

        Otherwise, some BAM was also built by the efforts of the entire USSR - now what, not to consider it Russian property?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 14: 17
          +3
          Quote: Cyril
          but for the people of Crimea, taking water away is a humanitarian crime

          So he (the people of Crimea), sort of like in a "nationwide and free referendum" unanimously confessed his love for Russia and joyfully "returned to his native harbor"? Or is it not?

          And what is the contradiction with what has been written? Crimeans voted for Russia. Ukraine cut off their water for this.
          Question: who is to blame for the fact that there is no water in the Crimea? Ukraine, Russia, the Crimeans themselves? If anything, in the UN Convention there is, as it were, the right of the people to self-determination. Can he be deprived of water for the realization of this right in the 21st century?

          I'll just remind you of the definition of genocide just in case:

          Genocide (from the Greek γένος - clan, tribe and Latin caedo - I kill) is a form of mass violence, which the UN defines as actions committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, any national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such by:
          killings of members of this group;
          causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of such a group;
          measures designed to prevent childbearing in such a group;
          forcibly transferring children from one human group to another;
          deliberate creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of this group.

          The last point fully falls under the actions of Ukraine. A direct consequence of the shutdown of water supplies was the elimination of several types of agriculture, salinization of soils, which leads to their sterility, as well as an environmental disaster in Armyansk. And this is just the beginning. Further, it will be only trenchant
          The fact that our authorities are incompetent in solving the problem does not in any way absolve the responsibility of the one who directly arranged the water blockade.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 14: 45
            -5
            And what is the contradiction with what has been written? Crimeans voted for Russia. Ukraine cut off their water for this.

            Only at first the peninsula was occupied by Russian troops :)

            If anything, in the UN Convention there is, as it were, the right of the people to self-determination.

            And then there is the principle of territorial integrity - also present in the UN Convention.

            In addition, the right of peoples to self-determination applies to those peoples who do not have their own independent state. The Russian-speaking population of Crimea has it - Russia.

            The last point fully falls under the actions of Ukraine.

            And it should contain territory occupied by another state?
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 14: 50
              +2
              Only at first the peninsula was occupied by Russian troops :)

              In fact, they were there already on the basis of a contract. Why invoke this highly dubious argument at all?

              And then there is the principle of territorial integrity - also present in the UN Convention.

              Quite right, there is. Both of them are represented there, mutually exclusive of each other, so that the strong can interpret by his own right and in the way that suits him.

              In addition, the right of peoples to self-determination applies to those peoples who do not have their own independent state. The Russian-speaking population of Crimea has it - Russia.

              Well, actually. Crimea first self-determined as an independent state, and only then asked to become a part of the Russian Federation, isn't it?

              And it should contain territory occupied by another state?

              And here, should it contain or not? Russia offered to buy water for real money, Ukraine refused, and its actions fall under the definition of genocide. This is not content, it is the deliberate creation of conditions for an unbearable life in the region.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 15: 21
                -2
                In fact, they were there already on the basis of a contract. Why invoke this highly dubious argument at all?

                They were there on the territory of military bases, which is not identical to the entire territory of the peninsula .. And certainly the agreements did not stipulate that Russian troops would seize and blockade the entire territory of the peninsula, as well as administrative buildings and military bases of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

                Quite right, there is. They are both represented there, mutually exclusive of each other, in order to strong by right interpreted it in the way that suits him.

                An interesting statement. Let's take a closer look at it.

                If you are for the right of the strong, then what is the claim against Ukraine that cut off the water? Possession of a water source is its power, which, according to your own logic, it has the right to use.

                Secondly, namely, that the question of the relationship between the right to self-determination and territorial integrity should be resolved taking into account the interests of all parties - including the country to which the disputed region currently belongs. For example, before the referendum on the independence of Scotland, these issues were systematically resolved within the entire UK, coordinated with London.

                Well, actually, Crimea first determined itself as an independent state

                Actually, I repeat once again, the Russian-speaking population of Crimea, who identify themselves as Russians, already have their own independent state.

                Russia offered to buy water for real money, Ukraine refused, and its actions fall under the definition of genocide.

                The problem is that money is not water. They cannot irrigate the earth. There is also a systematic lack of water in the south of Ukraine. When Crimea was hers, she was obliged to supply part of the water resources to the peninsula. So why should she supply it to the already occupied territories, if she herself does not have enough?
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 15: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Cyril
                  They were there on the territory of military bases, which is not identical to the entire territory of the peninsula .. And it was certainly not stipulated by agreements that Russian troops would capture and blockade the entire territory of the peninsula, as well as administrative buildings and military bases of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

                  In this case, of course, there were certain violations, but they were forced measures to disarm the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to ensure the security of the referendum.

                  If you are for the right of the strong, then what is the claim against Ukraine that cut off the water? Possession of a water source is its power, which, according to your own logic, it has the right to use.

                  You are substituting concepts. I reasoned within the framework of the UN convention on the relationship between two mutually exclusive norms of law. Russia acted at its own discretion, focusing on the people's right to self-determination.

                  namely, that the question of the relationship between the right to self-determination and territorial integrity should be resolved taking into account the interests of all parties - including the country to which the disputed region currently belongs. For example, before the referendum on the independence of Scotland, these issues were systematically resolved within the entire UK, coordinated with London.

                  Or like in Kosovo, right? Let me remind you that earlier something similar was done by the Kosovar Albanians with the support of the United States. Did they take into account the interests of Serbia? No, "that's different." smile

                  Actually, I repeat once again, the Russian-speaking population of Crimea, who identify themselves as Russians, already have their own independent state.

                  And they made their choice by joining him

                  The problem is that money is not water. They cannot irrigate the earth. There is also a systematic lack of water in the south of Ukraine. When Crimea was hers, she was obliged to supply part of the water resources to the peninsula. So why should she supply it to the already occupied territories, if she herself does not have enough?

                  Are you talking about how water from the North Crimean canal is discharged into the sea, leading to its desalination and environmental disaster?
                2. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 20: 38
                  +2
                  ..the question of the relationship between the right to self-determination and territorial integrity should be resolved taking into account the interests of all parties - including the country to which the disputed region currently belongs ..

                  With your lips, I could drink honey.) It could have been so, but the Ukrainian leadership has already ignored two important referendums held in Crimea - the 1991 referendum, in which the majority of voters voted for the re-establishment of the Crimean ASSR as part of the USSR and the 1994 referendum, which the majority voted for the restoration of the 1992 Constitution, previously canceled by Kiev. As a result of the actions of the Kiev government, Crimea was deprived of the opportunity to implement the SD-right and ended up in Ukraine against the wishes of a significant part of the population. And how, after that, Crimea, without outside help, had to defend its right to self-determination?
            2. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 24 January 2021 21: 09
              +2
              Only at first the peninsula was occupied by Russian troops :)

              And then there is the principle of territorial integrity - also present in the UN Convention.

              In addition, the right of peoples to self-determination applies to those peoples who do not have their own independent state. The Russian-speaking population of Crimea has it - Russia.

              That is, you think that Crimea is occupied, in fact, it belongs to Ukraine and the inhabitants of Crimea do not have the right to self-determination, this does not apply to them? Did I understand you correctly? And what do you propose to do now? Return Crimea with people to Ukraine?
        2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
          Piramidon (Stepan) 24 January 2021 09: 19
          +1
          Quote: Cyril
          So he (the people of Crimea), sort of like in a "nationwide and free referendum" unanimously confessed his love for Russia and joyfully "returned to his native harbor"? Or is it not?

          And what, for this you need to destroy the entire population? Do you justify the actions of the fascists?
  2. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 23 January 2021 12: 38
    -9
    Sometimes I am surprised by the naivety of Mr. Marzhetsky, who, having considerable experience in writing various articles on the "Reporter", would seem to be aware of the realities. However, for some unknown reason, he repeatedly gives out completely inadequate assessments of what is happening. So in this publication, Ukraine is declared the main culprit in the catastrophic situation with water in Crimea, from which the Russian Federation annexed the peninsula contrary to international law and at the same time requires the continuation of the supply of Dnieper water. It turns out like a gopnik threw the owner out of his vehicle, took the car for himself, and then demanded that the robbery victim continue to pay for gasoline and maintenance from his pocket. Moreover, the author seriously regrets that the Russian leadership does not dare to seize additional territories of a neighboring state in order to ensure the supply of water through the North Crimean Canal. Grandpa Adolf, with his plans to seize the territories of neighboring states, would have fully approved this method of solving the problem.
    As for solving the problem of water supply to Crimea with the help of large desalination facilities, here, again, the author is naive - not a single Israeli or any other company will work on the annexed peninsula, and the Russian Federation does not have its own modern technologies for industrial desalination of seawater ... Well, there is nothing to say about airplanes, smoke installations and the pipeline from the Kuban - complete nonsense.
    1. nov_tech.vrn Offline nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 23 January 2021 13: 43
      +4
      Miron with a smart look flogged nonsense, she reciprocated.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 14: 00
      +6
      So in this publication, Ukraine is declared the main culprit in the catastrophic situation with water in Crimea, from which the Russian Federation annexed the peninsula contrary to international law and at the same time requires the continuation of the supply of Dnieper water.

      I will answer you in your American style: "this is different" wink The termination of water supplies in this case fully falls under the definition of genocide, and this is a war crime without statute of limitations, regardless of "annexations" and the like. demagoguery.

      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      Moreover, the author seriously regrets that the Russian leadership does not dare to seize additional territories of a neighboring state in order to ensure the supply of water through the North Crimean Canal. Grandpa Adolf, with his plans to seize the territories of neighboring states, would have fully approved this method of solving the problem.

      And this is said by an Israeli citizen who annexed the Golan Heights from Syria for water smile Monstrous hypocrisy.

      P.S. Regarding the methods of Adolf's grandfather, didn't you personally write with approval about the fact that the North Koreans should be starved to death? Forgotten already?

      As for solving the problem of water supply to Crimea with the help of large desalination facilities, here, again, the author is naive - not a single Israeli or any other company will work on the annexed peninsula

      In my opinion, I wrote about this right in the text, no? Reread.

      Well, there is nothing to say about airplanes, smoke installations and the pipeline from the Kuban - complete nonsense.

      About smoke installations - this is, by the way, the idea of ​​your Israeli expert. Such is the kind advice they give us from the Promised Land.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzERyNudgzk&feature=youtu.be
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 14: 47
        -4
        And this is said by an Israeli citizen who annexed the Golan Heights from Syria for water

        Israel invaded the Golan as a result of the war. Which, by the way, was not untied by him. You do not accuse the USSR of seizing Kaliningrad, do you?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 14: 53
          +1
          Quote: Cyril
          Israel invaded the Golan as a result of the war. Which, by the way, was not untied by him. You do not accuse the USSR of seizing Kaliningrad, do you?

          I will answer you in American: "this is different" smile For me, in this case it is extremely incorrect to draw parallels with the Second World War and the Third Reich.
          By the way, the UN Security Council adheres to the same opinion, which denied Israel sovereignty over the Golan. The UN just recognizes this as an annexation without quotation marks.
          And the sovereignty of the USSR and the Russian Federation over Kaliningrad was recognized by the UN. This is if you are so fond of referring to international law.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 15: 29
            -2
            For me, in this case it is extremely incorrect to draw parallels with the Second World War and the Third Reich.

            Why? The Third Reich attacked the USSR in the same way as the Arabs attacked Israel. The analogy is quite straightforward.

            By the way, the UN Security Council adheres to the same opinion, which denied Israel sovereignty over the Golan.

            So the UN Security Council and the seizure of Crimea by Russia calls annexation and recognizes it as illegal :)

            This is if you are so fond of referring to international law.

            So you like to refer to him, accusing Ukraine of genocide on the basis of the definition adopted in international law :)
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 15: 34
              +2
              Quote: Cyril
              This is if you are so fond of referring to international law.

              So you like to refer to him, accusing Ukraine of genocide on the basis of the definition adopted in international law :)

              Yes, I love, I am a lawyer by my first education. And I understand that my position is strong enough and has every right to exist. As well as Russia's position on Crimea. This is generally called a legal conflict.
              I poked the bindyuzhnik into the Golan so as not to hypocritically poke him into his own business. They themselves are still aggressors, occupiers who seized and seized part of the territory of a sovereign state in violation of international law.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 14
                -4
                Yes, I love, I am a lawyer by my first education. And I understand that my position is strong enough and has every right to exist. As well as Russia's position on Crimea. This is generally called a legal conflict.

                Only in one situation do you turn to international law, in another - you forget about it.

                They themselves are still aggressors, occupiers who seized and seized part of the territory of a sovereign state in violation of international law.

                They "wrestled" the territory of the state that was the first to attack Israel.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 January 2021 08: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Cyril
                  They themselves are still aggressors, occupiers who seized and seized part of the territory of a sovereign state in violation of international law.

                  They "wrestled" the territory of the state that was the first to attack Israel.

                  If they are so good, let them return them back after the victory. The international community, represented by the UN Security Council, has not yet recognized this annexation. There is no way to draw parallels with the results of World War II.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 27 January 2021 12: 59
                    -1
                    If they are so good, let them return them back after the victory.

                    Kaliningrad did not return Russia?

                    The international community, represented by the UN Security Council, has not yet recognized this annexation.

                    Because Europe has its own interests in this region. And they do not always coincide with Israelis.

                    There is no way to draw parallels with the results of World War II.

                    The analogy is straightforward. Germany attacked - lost - Kaliningrad was squeezed out of it. Syria attacked - lost - the Golan was wrested from it.
      2. Diver d Offline Diver d
        Diver d (Oleg) 24 January 2021 18: 33
        -1
        And this is said by an Israeli citizen who annexed the Golan Heights from Syria for the sake of water smile Monstrous hypocrisy.

        Mr. Marzhetsky)))) Well, I didn't expect such an illiterate comment from you that the Golan Heights were captured by Israel for the sake of water. Okay, yesterday I just talked with a citizen who argued about the same, another expert who is not able to clearly indicate where Israel is located at least approximately, but who says with complete confidence that it turns out that Kinneret was also recaptured from Syria. I had to explain that he never belonged to her at all, after which I heard a brilliant explanation)))) It turns out that the water from the Golan Heights flows into an Israeli lake. Probably, if they belonged to Syria, the water would flow back))))) Could you please explain how the return of the Golan could affect the water availability in Israel? At least one reasonable argument ...
        1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 19: 46
          0
          Mr. Marzhetsky)))) Well, I did not expect such an illiterate comment from you that the Golan Heights were captured by Israel for the sake of water.

          Here is some information on this. Show your literacy, please refute what is written, citizen (expert) of Israel.

          The Golan Heights have a well-developed hydrogeographic network. The numerous rivers and streams that form there during precipitation flow into the Jordan River and Lake Tiberias, which is an important source of drinking water for Israel (according to some estimates, up to a third of Israel's water consumption).

          In addition, in 2015, an oil field was discovered in the Golan Heights with a potential volume of over 1 billion barrels.

          In the Golan Heights there are numerous reserves, fertile soil for agriculture (growing apples, berries, grapes, etc.).

          https://yandex.ru/turbo/tass.ru/s/info/6247758
          1. Diver d Offline Diver d
            Diver d (Oleg) 24 January 2021 21: 10
            -1
            Dear sofa expert. Today, 19:46
            Quote: Diver D

            Mr. Marzhetsky)))) Well, I did not expect such an illiterate comment from you that the Golan Heights were captured by Israel for the sake of water.

            Here is some information on this. Show your literacy, please refute what is written, citizen (expert) of Israel.

            The Golan Heights have a variety of streams and rivulets, which dry up in summer, but in winter, during the rainy season, they fill with water and rush in a stormy stream down to the lake. Kinneret. All of them occurred as a result of geological soil erosion and were not artificially formed. They cannot be stopped or diverted. And they all go down to the lake. Many of these wadis and nahales (streams and rivulets in Hebrew), I walked with pleasure. There are many hiking trails of varying degrees of difficulty from green to black. It is very beautiful there now. Lots of waterfalls and waterfalls.
            And no matter whoever sovereignty extends to the Golan, the rivers would also carry their waters to the shores of the Israeli lake. The relief of the plateau and the descent from it is such, there is nothing to be done, all the waters in any case would be in Israel. And the return of the heights was not caused by water problems at all, but by shelling of Israeli settlements from the Golan. Therefore, in 1967, as a result of stubborn battles in the Six Day War, they were returned to Israel.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 21: 29
              +1
              And no matter whoever sovereignty extends to the Golan, the rivers would also carry their waters to the shores of the Israeli lake. The relief of the plateau and the descent from it is such, there is nothing to be done, all the waters in any case would be in Israel.

              Yes, not quite so, dear.) Not "all waters."
              When the Golan Heights belonged to Syria, it too had access to the Lake, and therefore to the water.
              And since we are talking about the Crimean Canal, the Syrians, purely theoretically, could prevent you from accessing this water. Block, or divert rivers, one way or another, preventing you from using this resource.
              So do not try to underestimate the strategic importance of these heights for Israel here.

              You took these heights away from the Syrians in order to survive.
              And here, when discussing this article, you and "your kind" are outraged that Russia, even if only formally, is considering such a possibility for Crimea.
              1. Diver d Offline Diver d
                Diver d (Oleg) 24 January 2021 21: 37
                0
                When the Golan Heights belonged to Syria, it too had access to the Lake, and therefore to the water.

                Sorry, but you are mistaken) Lake Kinneret has never belonged to a single meter of Syria. Jordan receives water from the lake as a result of a contract. Two thirds of the water used from the Kinneret goes there. Syria has never bordered a meter on the lake and, accordingly, never used water from the Kinneret.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 21: 56
                  +1
                  Sorry, but you are wrong) Lake Kinneret has never belonged to a single meter of Syria.

                  You poorly know the history of the state in which you live.
                  In the Six Day War, Israel captured the Golan Heights from Syria, thus making the lake its internal reservoir. Before that, both Israel and Syria had access to the lake.
                  1. Diver d Offline Diver d
                    Diver d (Oleg) 24 January 2021 22: 48
                    0
                    You poorly know the history of the state in which you live.
                    In the Six Day War, Israel captured the Golan Heights from Syria, thus making the lake its internal reservoir. Before that, both Israel and Syria had access to the lake.

                    The border passed near the lake. Kinneret from the east, but nowhere did it border the lake by a meter.
                    1. Diver d Offline Diver d
                      Diver d (Oleg) 24 January 2021 23: 02
                      0

                      This is data from the wiki. Where do you see the common border of the lake with Syria?
                2. Diver d Offline Diver d
                  Diver d (Oleg) 24 January 2021 22: 12
                  0
                  And since we are talking about the Crimean Canal, the Syrians, purely theoretically, could prevent you from accessing this water. Block, or divert rivers, one way or another, preventing you from using this resource.

                  No, you could not) Look at the map) There is the Great African Rift. The difference in height is too large to divert water, even theoretically. The only way to Jordan and Kinneret. The lake is surrounded on all sides by either mountains or the Golan Plateau, and the descent from them is directed only towards Israel. I ask you not to consider the options for the construction of dams and dams)))) If you saw the power of these streams, such thoughts would not come to mind))))

        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 January 2021 08: 51
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          Quote: Diver D
          Mr. Marzhetsky)))) Well, I did not expect such an illiterate comment from you that the Golan Heights were captured by Israel for the sake of water.

          Do you follow my work? smile
          As a matter of fact, others have already answered you in the comments, I will not duplicate it.
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    3. orange Offline orange
      orange (ororpore) 23 January 2021 14: 25
      +3
      Crimea voluntarily became a part of the will of its inhabitants! There was no "annexation" at all.
    4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 14: 36
      +2
      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      It turns out like a gopnik threw the owner out of his vehicle, took the car for himself, and then demanded that the robbery victim continue to pay for gasoline and maintenance from his pocket.

      I would draw a different analogy if you like symbolic images so much. Black realtors took the old woman's apartment, and years later her grandson was found, who kicked them out and returned the apartment to the grandma. In retaliation, these gopniks cut pipes, wires and other communications, making the old woman's life in the returned apartment unbearable.
      For me, this is a little closer to the truth smile

      So in this publication, Ukraine is declared the main culprit for the catastrophic situation with water in Crimea, from which the Russian Federation annexed the peninsula contrary to international law and at the same time requires the continuation of the supply of Dnieper water

      I will remind you about international law.

      The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights of December 16, 1966 (in both Covenants - Article 1) stipulates:

      All peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of this right, they freely establish their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development ... All States participating in this Covenant ... must, in accordance with the provisions of the UN Charter, promote and respect the exercise of the right to self-determination.

      The people of Crimea used their right to self-determination, expressing a desire to become part of Russia. Why don't you, an Israeli-American, respect his right?
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 15: 25
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        I would draw a different analogy if you like symbolic images so much. Black realtors took the old woman's apartment, and years later her grandson was found, who kicked them out and returned the apartment to the grandma.

        Your analogy is logically incorrect. Nobody "squeezed" Crimea from Russia - it gave it away voluntarily, moreover, first in the 1950s, then voluntarily confirmed its belonging to Ukraine within the framework of several agreements signed with this country.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 15: 30
          +2
          Quote: Cyril
          I would draw a different analogy if you like symbolic images so much. Black realtors took the old woman's apartment, and years later her grandson was found, who kicked them out and returned the apartment to the grandma.

          Your analogy is logically incorrect. Nobody "squeezed" Crimea from Russia - it gave it away voluntarily, moreover, first in the 1950s, then voluntarily confirmed its belonging to Ukraine within the framework of several agreements signed with this country.

          The analogy is still better than that of Bindyuzhnik with his gopniks. As for what "she gave herself voluntarily", it was not a transfer of sovereignty, but actions within the administrative boundaries of a single state.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 08
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            so it was not a transfer of sovereignty, but actions within the administrative boundaries of a single state.

            And then Russia itself confirmed the ownership of Crimea to Ukraine several times after both countries became independent. That is, it recognized Ukraine's sovereignty over the peninsula.

            So Bindyuzhnik's analogy, although crude, reflects reality more accurately than yours.
        2. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 16: 02
          +1
          Quote: Cyril
          Your analogy is logically incorrect.

          This is not all right with your logic. laughing
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 04
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            This is not all right with your logic.

            .... stated by a person who does not know what an analogy, judgment, statement, etc. is.

            Go learn it first.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 24 January 2021 17: 14
              +2
              Cyril, isn't your answer:

              Quote: Cyril
              .... stated by a person who does not know what an analogy, judgment, statement, etc. is.

              refutes my assertion that not everything is ok with your logic? No, it doesn't!

              So it turns out that you have a problem with the logic, alas. yes
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 15
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                refutes my assertion that not everything is ok with your logic? No, it doesn't!

                Greatly questioned the ability of a person (you) to evaluate the logical skills of another person (me).

                So it turns out that you have a problem with the logic, alas.

                No, it does not work.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 24 January 2021 17: 19
                  +2
                  Cyril... This answer is from the same series. fool
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 22
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                    From a normal series. No one is to blame for you that you poke your nose into arguments, not even possessing basic knowledge of logic and the theory of argumentation.

                    So either endure when you are dunked in your own ignorance, or go read useful books.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 24 January 2021 17: 39
                      +2
                      Cyril, I correctly understood that you have run out of knowledge of the theory of argumentation and knowledge in logic ?!

                      And you, turning on your perverted imagination, dunk, at the moment, me in my "ignorance" ?!

                      Cyril!!! And where is the theory of Argumentation and Logic? You are fluent in these subjects. (from your words) lol
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 43
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                        I correctly understood that you have run out of knowledge of the theory of argumentation and knowledge in logic ?!

                        No, wrong.

                        And you, turning on your perverted imagination, dunk me into my "ignorance".?!

                        Not "perverse imagination", but the rules and principles of logic.

                        You are fluent in these subjects. (from your words)

                        He didn't say anything about perfection.
                      2. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 24 January 2021 17: 51
                        +3
                        Cyril... I keep forgetting that modesty, and not logic, is your main decoration, sorry. hi
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 54
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                        I have many positive qualities. Modesty and the ability to reason logically and confirm one's point of view are some of them.
    5. Bulanov Online Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 24 January 2021 16: 56
      +3
      For Kirill: - So voluntarily Russia handed Crimea over to Ukraine, that the dissenting leadership of the Crimean communists, who was fired from work, who was imprisoned. What would happen if France betrayed Corsica to Italy within the framework of a single EU? Is this possible?
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 11
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        So voluntarily Russia handed Crimea over to Ukraine, that the dissenting leadership of the Crimean communists, who was fired from work, who was imprisoned.

        Ask this question to Soviet statesmen who have built such a vicious state system. In the context of the modern belonging of Crimea, this does not matter. After the collapse of the Union, Russia (both under Yeltsin and under Putin) in several agreements confirmed the ownership of Crimea to Ukraine.

        It's all.
        1. Bulanov Online Bulanov
          Bulanov (Vladimir) 24 January 2021 17: 14
          +3
          This is not all. When concluding treaties with Russia, Ukraine declared its neutral status, but after signing the treaties it decided to apply for NATO membership. Thus, the contracts were violated.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 17: 27
            -5
            Remind me, please, in which of the Russian-Ukrainian agreements it was stated that Ukraine should be a neutral non-aligned state?
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2021 15: 15
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    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    So in this publication, Ukraine is declared the main culprit in the catastrophic situation with water in Crimea, from which the Russian Federation annexed the peninsula contrary to international law and at the same time requires the continuation of the supply of Dnieper water.

    Here is the definition of annexation:

    Annexation (lat. Annexio, from lat. Annexus - "attached") - forcible annexation by the state of all or part of the territory of another state unilaterally.
    According to modern international law, annexation is one of the types of aggression and currently entails international legal responsibility.

    As far as I remember, in 2014 the people of Crimea used their right to self-determination and voted by the overwhelming majority of the population for independence from Ukraine, creating a new state de facto and de jure. After that, an agreement was signed between the independent Sevastopol and the Republic of Crimea with the Russian Federation on their entry into the Russian Federation.
    That's where the annexation and "forcible annexation of a part of another state" are, explain to me as a lawyer by first education? Pzhlst.

    And I ask you to comment on these actions of Israel:

    The Golan, which belonged to Syria since 1944, was captured by Israel during the Six Day War in 1967. In 1981, the Knesset passed the Golan Heights Act, which unilaterally proclaimed Israel's sovereignty over the territory. This annexation was declared invalid by the UN Security Council.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 23 January 2021 18: 15
      -5
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      And I ask you to comment on these actions of Israel:

      The Golan, which belonged to Syria since 1944, was captured by Israel during the Six Day War in 1967. In 1981, the Knesset passed the Golan Heights Act, which unilaterally proclaimed Israel's sovereignty over the territory. This annexation was invalidated by the UN Security Council

      The Golan Heights is the historical land of the Jewish people. Archaeological excavations confirm the presence of numerous Jewish settlements on this territory since biblical times. During the Ottoman rule, these territories were part of the Palestine vilayet. After the First World War, the territories of the current states of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Jordan were transferred to Great Britain and France by the decision of the League of Nations, and the Golan Heights were part of the British Mandate for Palestine, granted to Britain in order to "establish in the country political, administrative and economic conditions for safe education of the Jewish national home. " However, the British, proceeding from their colonial interests, transferred the Golan to the French in March 1923, cutting them off from the Jews of Eretz Israel. In 1944. The independence of Syria was declared, the French then transferred the heights to the control of the Syrians. About the fact that from these heights the Syrians fired on the territory of Israel lying below for 20 years, killing civilians and causing material damage, I will not talk - this is well known. In 1967. Syria, together with Egypt, Jordan and a number of other Arab states, with the support of the USSR, unleashed a war of conquest, the purpose of which was the destruction of Israel and the total extermination of all Jews living on its territory. As a result of the Six Day War, the Israelis defeated the Arab armies and occupied a number of territories previously controlled by hostile Arab regimes. The Golan became part of Israel again. And this FOREVER!!!
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 18: 31
        +2
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        Golan Heights - the historic land of the Jewish people

        You are confusing concepts, my dear. Land and historic land are not the same thing. Now I know that you are murderers and thieves. Your accomplices told me that you also drool over Jordan.
        Probably exercising with might and main in an attack on Israel by Jordanians.

        - God will punish!
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 23 January 2021 18: 35
          -3
          Quote: isofat
          Now I think you are murderers and thieves.

          Your opinion on this matter interests me like last year's snow. lol

          Quote: isofat
          God will punish!

          Here I agree with you - God will punish all overt and secret enemies of Israel. good
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 18: 37
            +4
            Israel has only one enemy - the Jews themselves!
      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 January 2021 07: 54
        -1
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        The Golan became part of Israel again. And this is FOREVER !!!

        The same goes for Crimea. Hack it on your nose.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 24 January 2021 15: 36
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          Quote: Marzhetsky
          Hack it on your nose.

          And he also said here that he was a lawyer by education ... Apparently, he learned the wisdom of jurisprudence, mainly when he was a client of a sobering-up station - it was a very characteristic lexicon. hi
      3. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 16: 07
        +3
        The Golan Heights is the historical land of the Jewish people. Archaeological excavations confirm the presence of numerous Jewish settlements on this territory since biblical times.

        Urgently return the entire US territory to the Indians!
        But excavations in Russia confirm that people with haplogroup R1a have been living in Russia for at least 4 years (for example, the Fatyanovo culture).
        And, most importantly, they did not leave this territory anywhere.
        But the Jews appeared in Israel only in the middle of the last century. Before that, they did not exist for a couple of thousand years, at least.
        It's like the Anglo-Saxons claim back the throne of both Egypt (Upper and Lower) on the grounds that Tutankhamun had haplogroup R1b.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 24 January 2021 21: 29
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    First return the Golan to the buza, then you will be clever. How did they get to you ...

    Grandpa Adolf, with his plans to seize the territories of neighboring states, would have fully approved this method of solving the problem.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 24 January 2021 22: 02
      0
      Even if Russia voluntarily returns Kaliningrad to the Germans, the Karelian Isthmus to the Finns, Sakhalin and the Kuriles to the Japanese, and the Crimea, Donbass, and even the Kuban to the bargain, to Ukraine, the Golan will still remain Israeli. hi
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 24 January 2021 22: 08
        -1
        Even if Russia voluntarily returns Kaliningrad to the Germans, the Karelian Isthmus to the Finns, Sakhalin and the Kuriles to the Japanese, and the Crimea, Donbass, and even the Kuban to the bargain, to Ukraine, the Golan will still remain Israeli.

        If you think in this spirit, Russia will return Palestine to itself hi
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 24 January 2021 22: 14
          -3
          For a start, she would have to regain at least Chechnya. And only then dream about the Palestinians. lol
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 24 January 2021 22: 23
            +1
            For a start, she would have to regain at least Chechnya. And only then dream about the Palestinians.

            Well that was recalled good Chechen special forces may well do thisyes Ramzan will be happy to make such a gift to his commander-in-chief, there would be an order. laughing
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 24 January 2021 22: 32
              -3
              Quote: 123
              Chechen special forces may well do this

              Chechen special forces can only drive traders in Russian markets, fight the Israelis for him without options, it is easier to hang collectively right away. laughing laughing laughing In general, we deviated somewhat from the topic of publication, I think that we should briefly summarize the discussion and round off.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 24 January 2021 22: 35
                +1
                Chechen special forces can only drive traders in Russian markets, fight the Israelis for him without options, it is easier to hang collectively right away.

                What can your girls do with guns? Only smile at the camel drivers laughing

                In general, we deviated somewhat from the topic of publication, I think that we should briefly summarize the discussion and round off.

                Don't mind yes Crimea and Palestine remain in place. Disperse hi
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 27 January 2021 13: 06
                  -2
                  What can your girls do with guns? Only smile at the camel drivers

                  Somehow ask one dead Syrian pilot who was shot down by a girl operator of an air defense battery :)

                  These girls will personally twist you into a ram's horn and will not notice.
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                    2. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 27 January 2021 22: 03
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                      Come on, don't get distracted, you still have a lot of work to do yes
                    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 27 January 2021 22: 04
                      -1
                      you still have a lot of work

                      You are absolutely right about this.
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    2. Diver d Offline Diver d
      Diver d (Oleg) 24 January 2021 23: 50
      +1
      123 (123) Today, 22: 23

      For a start, she would have to regain at least Chechnya. And only then dream about the Palestinians.

      It's good that they recalled good Chechen special forces may well do this yes Ramzan will be happy to make such a gift to his commander-in-chief, there would be an order

      ))))) I remembered how Ramzan Kadyrov said that he was ready to go as a guard in the Al Aqsa mosque))) When I translated this news and his statement to our friends, they even began to rub their hands with joy))) To dream of who and when to wet him in the toilet, according to the old Russian habit requestJust then, there was an incident at the Wailing Wall, and a Druse boy was tried, who opened fire while on duty. And they were very disappointed when he never arrived laughing Well, I don't have to talk about the reaction of our guys, the disappointment was widespread))))
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 25 January 2021 00: 11
        +1
        I remembered how Ramzan Kadyrov said that he was ready to go as a security guard to the Al Aqsa Mosque))) When I translated this news and his statement to our friends, they even began to rub their hands with joy

        You have naive friends. Maybe it will turn out like that. It is not a position that paints a person, but a person builds everyone. laughing

        To dream of who and when to soak him in the toilet according to the old Russian habit will be a request And they were very disappointed when he never came laughing Well, I don't think we have to tell about the reaction of our guys, the disappointment was widespread))))

        He was busy, worked on the federal list. There is now empty, citizen Byutukaev (terrorist attack in Domodedovo) died suddenly, along with him several Ukrainian "patriots" (glass wool manure). If anyone is still there in burrows, then the "fresh" ones are not exposed. Ramzan now has more free time, maybe he will also stop by. Let your friends practice diving in the sanitary ware. yes
        1. Diver d Offline Diver d
          Diver d (Oleg) 25 January 2021 00: 32
          +1
          Let friends practice diving in sanitary ware

          Oh, something tells me that they are unlikely to have to dive))) I just remembered how there was a mess on the border with Syria, when there was a terrorist attack in a Druze village on the other side. And then a crowd of Druze, former IDF servicemen, gathered at the border to cross it and help their relatives. By the way, a couple of guys were just those who were worried about the arrival of twice a general, an academician and just a loyal guardsman) They were without weapons, as they said, they would be in abundance there. Naturally, no one here needed the guys, former servicemen, to suffer losses uncontrollably, and even on foreign territory. Then the Israeli government announced that everyone who tries to do this will be detained administratively until everything is settled there and if our troops bring in troops to protect the Druze, it will happen without them. And sharply after this statement, the Syrians rushed in advance, the terrorists were defeated and driven back from the village. The suggestion had a dramatic effect))))

          "Israel is playing with fire. No one will stop us," the Druze warn. Israel "got off the fence" and gave them an unprecedented commitment to protect their fellows, even if it requires an operation in Syria.


          By the evening of November 3, the situation on the Israeli-Syrian border had calmed down after a hard day, when in the morning there was a terrorist attack in the Druze village of Khader on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights, and in the afternoon a group of Israeli Druzes staged riots on the border, with several people even breaking through the border fence, but there were immediately returned home by the IDF. The cause of the riots was the fact that among those killed in Hadera were Druze, including members of the family clans of their Israeli counterparts.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 25 January 2021 00: 39
            +1
            I'm glad for your border guards, Ramzan's druses don't serve. He will not be able to argue, they will not stop it is pointless. We are not children after all. There is a desire to measure their strengths, special forces competitions are held regularly, I believe they will not refuse your participation hi
            1. Diver d Offline Diver d
              Diver d (Oleg) 25 January 2021 00: 49
              0
              It's nice to remember facial expressions, moods, statements. To relive once again that time, events, expectation, it is not clear what, but the understanding that something should happen and a feeling of uncertainty.
              And so, of course, who needs it. The life of everyone is priceless, and it is always a pity when people die, no matter from which side. Someone's children, parents, relatives. It's better to be measured and true, in competitions (((
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 23 January 2021 14: 44
    0
    The reason for the fierce hatred of the former Soviet Union towards Russia is simple and understandable. Dumped in 89-90, and those who waited a little, became dollar millionaires, and some billionaires. They are corny insulting !!!
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 24 January 2021 16: 13
      -1
      Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
      The reason for the fierce hatred of the former Soviet Union towards Russia is simple and understandable.

      Uncle, you are not capable of understanding anything exactly in this matter, excuse me for being frank. bully
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 25 January 2021 01: 08
        -2
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        ... sorry for the frankness.

        Of course, of course ... Sorry. For stupidity. yes
  • oderih Offline oderih
    oderih (Alex) 23 January 2021 16: 29
    0
    The problem with water in Crimea is being solved, and it will be solved. Otherwise, why would Russia have laid the second PATES. Russia is silently CONCERNING. These are not bindyuzhniki from Odessa.
  • Semyon Semyonov_2 (Semyon Semyonov) 23 January 2021 20: 30
    0
    It has long been necessary to resolve and close this issue !!!
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 January 2021 21: 06
    0
    A stream of articles on how you can theoretically solve this.
    As always in the future tense
    And not a single article that decided .... or defined exactly how to globally solve.
    D ............. but you hold on. It seems like it was said in the Crimea.
  • lahudra Offline lahudra
    lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 23 January 2021 22: 37
    -5
    It is impossible to replace water supplies through the North Crimean Canal. The overlapping of an artificial structure is not an act of genocide, it is impossible to judge anything on this fact.
  • Shadow041 Offline Shadow041
    Shadow041 24 January 2021 11: 48
    +2
    It is necessary to solve the problem of water shortage in Crimea, but not with talkativeness, in which the inhabitants of the Kremlin are mired, but with real deeds. Ukraine crap the Russian Federation, so Ukraine and its patriots should feel the response from the Russian Federation on their own skin, then they themselves will crawl on their belly, and while Putin allows Russian water to replenish the rivers of Ukraine for free, Bandera people make money in the Russian Federation, and Sberbank will lend to them, Ukraine will continue be impudent, because you can speak with Bandera only from a position of strength, these mad dogs do not understand any other language and will never understand, if it was not given to them
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 16: 18
    +5
    It seems that Putin clearly explained that a huge freshwater lens was found under the Sea of ​​Azov, which will be enough for Crimea and Novorossiysk and Gelendzhik.
    And the water in the SK channel is poison, let the non-brothers sip it themselves.
    Although this does not negate the fact of an attempt at genocide.
    Therefore, it is worth intercepting the left tributaries of the Dnieper near the border with the square (there will be cleaner water) and directing it to irrigate our lands and water the Don.
    And, for some reason, no one announced the possibility of getting a lot of excellent water right on the South Coast. Along their entire coast, many rivers with the purest water flow out under the mountains and immediately (often in less than a kilometer) flows into the sea. Who's stopping to collect? And you don't need to drill anything, and drive through the pipes (water is already where it is needed). What, too lazy to turn on your head?
    1. Bulanov Online Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 24 January 2021 17: 06
      +4
      If the Uch-Kosh gorge is closed to create a reservoir, then Yalta will receive a lot of drinking water, and the Yalta reserve will receive water for extinguishing fires.