Antonov signed for the inability to build the first An-178


SE "Antonov" (part of the SC "Ukroboronprom") signed a contract with US Cargo Systems from the United States to carry out development work on the topic: "Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo airborne An-178-100R" , the Ukrainian portal Defense Express notes.


It should be noted that US Cargo Systems has been developing and manufacturing various systems for military aircraft and helicopters for 40 years. This American company has created solutions for the transport companies Airbus A400M Atlas, Kawasaki C-2, Alenia C-27J Spartan and Lockheed C-130 Hercules.

The contract between the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturer and US Cargo Systems was signed on December 24, 2020. However, the information became available to the public only on January 19, 2021, when it was published on the ProZorro public procurement site.

According to the document, the cost of the work is $ 350 thousand, the term for the development work is 150 calendar days.

At the same time, on December 22, Antonov State Enterprise signed a contract with the American company Breeze-Eastern LLC for the supply of two HS-5100 winch systems for a total of $ 455 thousand.

At present, the Ukrainian enterprise is completing the construction of the first An-178-100R under a contract with the Peruvian police. In addition, on December 29, the Antonov State Enterprise and the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense signed a four-year contract for the construction of three An-178-100Rs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the publication from Ukraine summed up.

Note that in the opinion of Ukrainian commentators, the Antonov State Enterprise signed a complete inability to create the above aircraft without cooperation with other countries. Publicized "Import substitution" it turned out to be only a replacement of Russian developments with American ones, and there were no new Ukrainian ones.
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  1. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 23 January 2021 11: 26
    +1
    Although the jingo-patriotic version attracts everyone more, most likely we are talking about the desire to sell the aircraft in Western markets, which can really be facilitated by the unification of handling equipment with the aircraft models available there.
  2. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 23 January 2021 11: 28
    -13%
    It's funny to see how two countries with a bending aircraft industry of each other's Hayat ...
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 18: 15
      +10
      Where can we get to Estonia ...
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 18: 39
      +9
      And by the way, your unfounded chatter has already gotten. Provide evidence of the "bending" of our aircraft industry.
      The country makes excellent military aircraft. Restores the production of jet and turboprop passenger aircraft. Since the start of production of PD-14 engines, Russia is the ONLY country in the world that produces turbofan engines of the 5th generation FULLY on its own.
      And then, some kind of misunderstanding, he broadcasts about the collapse of our aircraft industry. China dreams of such a "bend".
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 23 January 2021 19: 53
        -14%
        Quote: boriz
        The country makes excellent military aircraft.

        In addition to the beautiful, you also need a circulation.
        At the peak of demand, the Ministry of Defense purchased up to 100 combat aircraft a year, but today this figure ranges from 50 to 60 units. Borisov also explained: “We bought 80–90 helicopters each, and now we have 30–40. Not necessary. The park has been renewed. Enterprises will serve them, support the life cycle, but this is not a bulk purchase. The same situation will occur with other types of weapons. " Overall, production in high-tech industries (including spaceships and intercontinental rockets) fell 13,5% in 2018 after two years of growth. In January-February of this year, aircraft production fell by 48% compared to the same period last year.
        Super Jet riveted, but everyone refuses it. It turns out that you also need to be able to supply spare parts on time and in the right quantity.
        In short, as many good ones as you like. And we compete over the hill.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 23 January 2021 20: 28
          +5
          In addition to the beautiful, you also need a circulation.
          At the peak of demand, the Ministry of Defense purchased up to 100 combat aircraft a year, but today this figure ranges from 50 to 60 units. Borisov also explained: “We bought 80–90 helicopters each, and now we have 30–40. Not necessary.

          Let's not talk about Estonia, give statistics on the EU for the year, let's see and compare. How many were built there. And then they took fashion, we take indicators somewhere, for example, the number of kangaroos in Australia and begin to treat about how everything is bad in Russia.
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 23 January 2021 22: 01
            -12%
            Quote: 123
            Give EU statistics for the year, let's see and compare.

            So let's get statistics. I have already given something in fact. And you see in the search for information are not strong. You have to do everything for you. How many I write in response from no one a single number. A herd of trolls.
            And you missed Estonia in vain. I guarantee more successful than Russia.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 23 January 2021 23: 16
              +5
              So let's get statistics. I have already given something in fact. And you see in the search for information are not strong. You have to do everything for you. How many I write in response from no one a single number. A herd of trolls.

              Honestly, you have already gotten tired of your Estonian mentality, you have to repeat everything several times. winked
              The question was about the production of military aircraft, aircraft, helicopters. Is the question clear or add pictures? And you tell me some cartoons about corruption and oppression of the female sex. sad
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 24 January 2021 00: 26
                -7
                Quote: 123
                Honestly, you already got it with your Estonian mentality,

                Well, what can you do your ignorance must be eliminated. To be proud of the size alone is ridiculous.
            2. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 03
              +6
              The most democratic country - Estonia

              Everything, did not look further. Estonian national legislation does not comply with EU and UN requirements. In Estonia, until now, people born in Estonia under the USSR did not receive automatic citizenship.
              Seropaths. The so-called negroes. That is, NOT citizens.
              Even in Georgia, in the east, there are a lot of Azerbaijani villages, where residents stupidly cannot speak Georgian. But passports were given to everyone.
              Who prepared the rating figures? They don't mean anything.
              By the way, about "not a single number". It is just your comments that differ in unfounded words.
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 24 January 2021 00: 28
                -8
                Quote: boriz
                Who prepared the rating figures?

                Prepare yours. Since it's so easy. I thought that you know that the Russian Federation gives data to the UN and is present there.
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 37
                  +5
                  Since the UN does not notice national discrimination in Estonia, I see no reason to believe their numbers.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 24 January 2021 00: 49
                    -7
                    Quote: boriz
                    Since the UN does not notice national discrimination in Estonia,

                    There is no NATIONAL discrimination in Estonia. Is it getting there? Which nation is being discriminated against?
                    1. boriz Offline boriz
                      boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 01: 20
                      +7
                      Bring legislation in line with EU legislation. You even stand out in comparison with Lithuania and Latvia for your Nazism. Is it getting there?
          2. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
            Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 23 January 2021 23: 40
            +1
            This is news, but when did Estonia build aircraft? But I remember the time when the planes built in the USSR flew around the world and not only in cartoons!
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 23 January 2021 23: 45
              +2
              This is news, but when did Estonia build aircraft? But I remember the time when the planes built in the USSR flew around the world and not only in cartoons!

              You have bypassed Estonians in terms of intelligence winked I repeat for the third time, for the gifted, the question was about the EU. sad
              1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 23 January 2021 23: 49
                -5
                And that the EU already wants to buy aircraft from Russia, right? Thank you for the good news, but which ones, those that will still invent, or those that are in the landfills of Russian airports?
              2. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 23 January 2021 23: 59
                -5
                In the EU, as far as I have read, there is something to fly except for Ukrainian planes (Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier), and it will be necessary to buy it in Ukraine.
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 20
                  +6
                  They won't buy. Not for that they ruined production (including the aviation industry) in the post-Soviet space.
                  Ukraine has already tried, naively, to participate in a tender for a medium-sized transport vehicle for NATO. They retroactively revised the TK so that An did not pass, and then Airbus quickly made a copy of Antonov. But already myself.
                  1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 00: 26
                    -3
                    Well, since Airbus copied from Antonov, and not from the Americans, it means a good plane, the MS-21 did not want to copy.
                    1. boriz Offline boriz
                      boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 30
                      +5
                      So this is a new plane. They have neither documents nor a living aircraft on hand. And PD 14 is the best in the world today. And Russia is the only one that can make such an engine entirely at home.
                      1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 00: 43
                        -4
                        There is no reason to doubt that the PD-14 is unsurpassed, but 1 (one) engine driver, with all the desire not to put on all Russian aircraft, you need at least 3 (three). Two on the plane, and one at the factory for overhaul, and ideally two for repairs.
                      2. boriz Offline boriz
                        boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 56
                        +3
                        And there is a line of them, from PD 8 to PD 35. It will cover all needs. PD 14 was just needed faster.
                        There is something to be proud of.
                      3. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 01: 04
                        -4
                        It is what it is! There is nothing to be proud of - to fly.
                      4. boriz Offline boriz
                        boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 01: 06
                        +2
                        Now it will be on what.
                      5. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 01: 11
                        -5
                        Hurry, and then again the bourgeoisie will invent something, but the Russian people will understand, we fly on the bourgeoisie, and what is it compared to the 1000-year history of Great Russia, some 30-100 years. Agree - MIG!
    3. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 23: 53
      +6
      Yes, Estonia has never built an airplane. Therefore, no one is interested in the opinion of Estonians on this matter. And nefig climb and direct criticism.
      1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 00: 03
        -4
        So I have not seen here the comments of the Estonians, but the Russian comments are only about the bad Ukrainian planes and the unsurpassed Russian ones. It is not clear only when they will come off the GDP.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 12
          +6
          Read above how Vladiest haut the Russian aviation industry. So who would pay attention to him.
          1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
            Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 00: 23
            -4
            So it's good that Russia has the opportunity to build planes, they build as much as they can, Estonia does not have such a capacity, it buys. This is exactly what Vladest Nam told us. Russia will learn how to massively make competitive aircraft, make good aircraft, maybe Estonia will buy
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 27
              +5
              It's just that a person writes that our aviation industry is dying. This can also be said about Ukraine, but not about Russia. Our aviation industry in many positions is at the level and better than the advanced models in the world. In any case, China envies us.
              1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 00: 37
                -3
                No, you just misunderstood. As I understand it, he meant that the economic power of industry is not judged by isolated, even the best, examples. Unfortunately, there is such a global trend that the strength of the state is judged on how much of this excellent product the industry of the state can produce and in what time frame! In Estonia and Russia, this is weak
              2. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 48
                +3
                Second comment from above.

                It's funny to see how two countries with a bending aircraft industry of each other's Hayat ...
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 23: 51
    +3
    In addition to the beautiful, you also need a circulation.

    Who needs? Putin forgot to ask you, how much do we need?
    Yes, there are many foreign components in the Super Jet. Boeing is doing this all over the world. If Russia blocks the titanium parts for Boeing, Boeing will stand. Absolutely.
    It's just that in the 90s our traitors told how great it was to cooperate with the West. Now they are moving away from this.
    And you can pick as many shortcomings as you like and from anyone. Everything is relative.
    The Estonian aviation industry has no shortcomings. Because Estonia does not have an aircraft industry.
    Estonia can only yap at others. Itself is not capable of anything.
    1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
      Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 00: 05
      -3
      Maybe where else can you buy titanium besides Russia?
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 10
        +5
        You can just buy titanium. It turns out to process it only in Russia. Power parts, such as wing mounts, beams, Boeing and Airbus (and not only) are normally made only in Russia.
        Russia just hasn't started to declare sanctions yet.
        1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
          Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 00: 13
          -4
          Who is Russia going to impose sanctions on and who will handle it after the introduction?
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 15
            +3
            Well, for example, after receiving a certificate for MC 21 and IL 112/114, you can cover the parts on the Boeing 737. As for the dangerous in operation.
            And, I assure you that the rest will not refuse. How else to do airplanes?
            1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
              Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 24 January 2021 01: 03
              -3
              This is great news! Only one thing is alarming - the IL 114 first flight in 1990. MS 21 2017. No matter how it turns out, when they receive a certificate, the damned bourgeoisie will put another pig on and give up Russian titanium, they can come up with some kind of carbon fiber. Look how Musk has become insolent - he shoots ships into space and shoots and he does not need not only Russian RosKosmos, but also NASA (about Nasa, we are in 10th place).
        2. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 24 January 2021 00: 38
          -6
          Quote: boriz
          Russia just hasn't started to declare sanctions yet.

          Well, your plant will bend to the production of titanium. Don't sell.
          On closer examination of the issue, as always, it turns out that the Russian Federation is far from the Navel of the Earth in the Titan market.
          The leading manufacturing country is China. The country has the maximum reserves of titanium ores. Of the 18 reputed titanium sponge factories, 9 are located in China.
          The second place is occupied by Japan. It is interesting that in the country only 2 – 3% of metal is spent on the aerospace sector, and the rest is used in the chemical industry.
          The third place in the world in the production of titanium is held by Russia and its many factories. Then follows Kazakhstan.
          The USA is the next producer country in the list, consumes titanium in the traditional way: 60–75% of titanium is used by the aerospace industry.
          So the boycott of the Russian Federation to the United States on titanium will only clear the way for competitors.
          Come on, let the conductor be evil ...
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 00: 45
            +5
            Can't you read? NOBODY can make titanium parts like Russia.
            The rest can only make titanium as a raw material.
            If you block the titanium on the 737, they will take on the rest of the planes, like cute ones. And Airbus will clap its hands for joy - less competitor.
            Especially for people like you, I found a simpler reference from Wiki. Or won't you be able to read Vicki already?
            Hammer into the search engine VSMPO Avisma and read your health. You look, you will wiser (although it is doubtful).
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 23 January 2021 20: 23
    +4
    It's funny to see how two countries with a bending aircraft industry of each other's Hayat ...

    Do not exaggerate, the American is still holding on, you bury him early. It is even funnier to read the comments on this issue from their countries that saw planes only in pictures. smile
  • goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 24 January 2021 16: 24
    +1
    It's funny to see how two countries with a bending aircraft industry of each other's Hayat ...

    Enviable? That's what is it before waking up ...
  • Shavkat Kuvatov Offline Shavkat Kuvatov
    Shavkat Kuvatov (Shavkat Kuvatov) 23 January 2021 15: 34
    +3
    "Thanks" to the activities of non-brothers, Russia was removed from participation in the construction of Antonov's aircraft. So we can’t help them. Get out!
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 18: 31
    +4
    https://fpp.org.pe/rusia-dispone-de-alternativas-al-avion-fantasma-que-ucrania-intenta-vender-al-peru/
    Like recently cited a link to this post on the site of journalists in Peru.
    It clearly states that the transaction is suspended due to lack of certification, non-transparency of payment schemes (corruption), etc.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 January 2021 21: 08
    -2
    In Khokhlosliv, they no longer write, as before, that A ... has died.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 01: 25
      +2
      And how many aircraft has the Academy of Sciences produced in recent years?
      1. faiver Offline faiver
        faiver (Andrei) 24 January 2021 10: 58
        0
        Yes to hell with him with Antonov, you better tell me how there is with the mass production of the demanded Il-76, Be-200, and replacement An-2 hi
  • amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 24 January 2021 14: 34
    +2
    Quote: Alexander K_2
    In the EU, as far as I've read, there is something to fly in besides Ukrainian planes (Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier), will have to be bought in Ukraine.

    The newest Ukrainian litak (plane), specially for Europe.

  • Gadlei Offline Gadlei
    Gadlei 25 January 2021 02: 58
    0
    strange - some write that the contract with Peru has been canceled, others write that no. Therefore, to believe such hackers do not respect yourself.
  • Don't fly pig
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    In the blue sky!