Broken "Shield": the mystery of the death of the defense ministers of the allied countries of the USSR


Among the many bloody secrets associated with the preparation of the organization of "perestroika" in the Soviet Union and its subsequent destruction, far from the last place is occupied by a more than strange series of deaths of the top military leaders of the Warsaw Pact member countries, which followed the large-scale exercises of the armies of this block "Shield- 84 ", which took place in Eastern Europe.


Thus, the forces implementing the plan to liquidate the USSR and the entire socialist camp, as such, eliminated one of the most serious threats to it. In this case, there can be no question of any "coincidences" and coincidences.

Get the military out of the way


As I wrote earlier in a number of articles on this topic, the path "up" to Mikhail Gorbachev and his clique was paved, among other things, by physically eliminating those persons in the top leadership of the party and the country who could become an obstacle to the arrival of "perestroika" to real power. Moreover, to prevent the subsequent implementation of their treacherous intentions. There were very few real forces capable of doing this, except for the highest governing bodies of the CPSU, in the Soviet Union. The State Security Committee and the army - that's probably all. At the same time, only the army could carry out really large-scale measures to restore order in the country. If we talk about all the states that were part of the "socialist camp", then only the military leaders of the Internal Affairs Directorate, united by common intentions and clearly coordinating their actions, could keep them "in check". This happened, and more than once - in Czechoslovakia in 1968, in Hungary in 1956 ...

During the events we are describing, Poland was "next in line" - there the rotten swamp of "democracy" seethed and gurgled since 1981, forcing the then leader of the country, Wojciech Jaruzelski, to introduce martial law. Nevertheless, it was not possible to achieve the final stabilization of the situation - everyone understood that sooner or later the "Polish question" would have to be resolved in the most radical way. The Soviet army by that time already had considerable combat experience gained in modern conditions - in Afghanistan, and the introduction of its contingent, as well as units of the army of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic and the GDR in Poland, according to available information, was discussed and considered in all seriousness.

As a matter of fact, the "Shield-84" I mentioned was a brilliant demonstration of the full readiness of the Internal Affairs Department to conduct combat operations to "enlighten" some of its members. Our paratroopers landed on the territory of the Czech Republic and Germany, motorized rifles uncontrollably advanced in Slovakia. Naturally, "with the support of comrades in arms" from the Hungarian and East German armies, but who "plays the first violin" in this magnificent "concert" of fire and steel was clear to anyone. Generally speaking, in the course of these maneuvers, the interaction was perfected not only of field units, but also of the headquarters of all the armies of the Warsaw Pact Organization, from the USSR to Bulgaria. And it was very likely that in this case it was not at all about the confrontation of "imperialist aggression" in the form of a surprise attack by NATO troops, but about something completely different.

It can be easily assumed that the ministers of defense of the socialist countries who gathered during the exercises in a close circle were not cracking vodka, not hounding anecdotes, but discussing an extremely serious and becoming by that time more and more urgent question: “What to do if the whole system goes to pieces whom they swore to defend? What to do if the enemy does not come from outside, but from inside? " In fact, these people, even under the condition of the death or betrayal of the top state leaders, could well turn history back and prevent everything that happened later, starting from the already very close 1986. It is very likely that they found a consensus on this issue, and this frightened those who did not take their eyes off the meeting participants so much that the order to liquidate them was issued immediately. And then it was executed. However, in this matter, everything is very confused and we will talk in more detail about exactly how this monstrous crime was carried out later.

Stalin's People's Commissar on the path of "perestroika"


In order not to drag out the narrative and not escalate the intrigue beyond measure, I will immediately clarify: literally within a little over a year after the end of the Shield-84 exercises, four defense ministers - the USSR, the GDR, Czechoslovakia and Hungary - passed away, one after another. Their deaths were preceded by a disease with absolutely the same clinical picture: mild malaise - sluggish pneumonia - severe blood damage - aortic aneurysm - heart failure - death. To blame everything on "gerontocracy", as in the case of members of the CPSU Central Committee, will not work. Some, nevertheless, try: they say, the "old generals" either overdid it during the maneuvers, or after them at the table - so they died from completely natural reasons. Doesn't fit! The same Ustinov was 76 years old at the time of his death, his colleague from Germany Heinz Hoffmann was 75, but Martin Dzur, who headed the army of Czechoslovakia, “burned out” at the age of 65, and the Hungarian Minister of Defense Istvan Olah was at 58! All of them took part in the maneuvers that became fatal for them.

Please note that these people, as you understand, were not treated by a paramedic-dropout in a field hospital. The best physicians and all imaginable and inconceivable means were thrown to save their lives. Failed. However, with the exception of one case - another member of the "Shield", Bulgarian Defense Minister Dobri Dzhurov, fell ill with the same mysterious ailment. However, he scrambled out. Or he was allowed ... We will return to this extremely intriguing topic. In the meantime, let's just note once again - when for a short time, under absolutely similar and extremely "cloudy" circumstances, four people of all ages die, but who took part in one event and pose a serious threat to someone ... This is no coincidence , this is murder!

His first victim, quite naturally, was USSR Marshal Dmitry Ustinov. Many remember that he was the Minister of Defense of the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Andropov, and Chernenko. Not everyone, however, knows that he became the People's Commissar of Armaments of the USSR under Comrade Stalin, in less than 33 years. It happened on June 9, 1941. The time before the start of the war was then counted not for years and months, but for days and hours. Iosif Vissarionovich understood this perfectly and would not have put anyone in such a position. Ustinov, who was responsible for every bayonet and grenade that came from factories in the Red Army, justified the confidence of the Supreme Commander in full - he received the first Hero Star already in 1942. Happened to him and "fall under the distribution." On business, the youngest member of the People's Commissariat and the State Defense Committee literally flew on his motorcycle - well, and flew into an accident, breaking his leg. Stalin then sarcastically spoke about "some irresponsible people's commissars who allow themselves to break their legs during the war in a peaceful atmosphere." Well, he took action - in his own manner. Allocated a personal car to Ustinov so he wouldn't drive. Why? Probably because Ustinov did not interrupt the leadership of the People's Commissariat for a day, holding its meetings right in the hospital ward.

Subsequently, this outstanding statesman stood at the origins of the creation of the Soviet missile program and the country's missile defense system. Dmitry Ustinov's contribution to the development of the Soviet state and the army cannot be overestimated at all. His efficiency amazed even people of Stalin's time, who were all accustomed to "plowing for wear and tear." The marshal slept for 3-4 hours a day, did not recognize the weekend. Only from time to time it was possible to literally push him into a short vacation. If this man of Stalin's temper, fanatically devoted to his homeland, remained at the head of the Soviet army, Gorbachev and his henchmen would not expect a ridiculous GKChP, but something completely different. At the same time, there is no doubt that an end to their sabotage would have been put not in 1991, but much earlier.

Poison, virus or ... drugs?


The widespread use of various types of chemical and biological weapons by Western intelligence services and, above all, the US CIA in their war against "America's enemies" has long been no secret to anyone. Suffice it to list the attempts to exterminate the Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which were mainly undertaken with the use of such an arsenal. Disputes about what caused the deaths of the defense ministers of the ATS countries - a "slow" poison, used since the Middle Ages or some deadly virus that infected them, continues to this day. Personally, I am leaning towards the second version. Moreover, most likely, the matter was even more complicated. It is possible that in order for the infection that had entered the body of the victims to turn from an unpleasant, exhausting, but not fatal ailment into a murderer, a certain "catalyst" was needed, probably of a medicinal nature. Where do such assumptions come from? The fact is that the memories of those who were with Dmitry Ustinov in the last months of his life paint for some reason two completely different pictures.

According to the chief physician of the Kremlyovka Yevgeny Chazov, the marshal "felt unwell" immediately after returning from the exercise, after which he went to rest in the Volzhsky Utz sanatorium in Zhiguli. And after that I got sick completely ... However, a person who causes much more confidence - Ustinov's chief adjutant, Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, categorically refutes these speculations. According to him, the minister returned from Czechoslovakia completely healthy, and spent his vacation in a completely different place - in Sochi, at State Dacha No. 1 "Bocharov Ruchei". There I felt the first signs of malaise. Why is Chazov lying? Because it was he who was in Sochi who was "treating" Ustinov at that time! Well, he later "cured" at the Central Clinical Hospital - to death ... The chronology of the deaths of the ministers raises certain questions in itself: Ustinov died on December 20, 1984. CHSS Minister of National Defense Martin Dzur shortly after him - January 15, 1985. They were clearly in a hurry to remove the very first ...

On December 2, 1985, the Minister of National Defense of the GDR, Hantz Hoffmann, dies, and less than two weeks later, on December 14, 1985, his Hungarian colleague Istvan Olach dies. One gets the impression that at a certain moment in the organisms of infected victims a certain biological mechanism was triggered, inevitably bringing them to the grave. But Bulgaria's Minister of National Defense Dobri Dzhurov, who at the same time showed the same symptoms, managed to somehow recover. It was he who subsequently, in 1989, played an almost decisive role in the removal of Todor Zhivkov from power and the surrender of the country to the "democratic forces" led from the West. Is it a coincidence too? To touch the Polish Minister of National Defense Florian Sivicki, who was present at the maneuvers, did not make the slightest sense from a practical point of view - under the living Wojciech Jaruzelski, who was in real control of the army and the country.

Again, if every one of the ministers who had been to Shield-84 had died, it would have been too suspicious. With the Romanian Minister of Defense, Constantin Olteanu, in general, it is extremely interesting - just during the "second wave" of deaths, Ceausescu himself dismissed him from his post, having appointed him mayor of Bucharest. Perhaps this is what saved him. Olteanu, unlike most of his colleagues (Hoffman, for example, began fighting the Nazis back in Spain in 1937), did not have serious military experience. But he was quite convinced as a communist. The general result of all these deaths is well known - during the "velvet revolutions", as they are called in the West, during which its agents destroyed the entire socialist system, in practically no country did the armed forces stand in the way of this process. The goal was fully achieved.

The death of Dmitry Ustinov and the death of Konstantin Chernenko, which marked the coming to power of Gorbachev and the beginning of "perestroika", were separated by some two and a half months. At the very time when the Marshal, who had devoted his whole life to serving the people and the country, was painfully extinguished in the ward of the Moscow Kremlin, vultures were already feasting in distant London. The traitor to the Motherland Mikhail Gorbachev, who was named the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, in the company of his two closest henchmen - Alexander Yakovlev and Eduard Shevardnadze, swore an oath of allegiance to Margaret Thatcher, who after this visit passed the verdict: "You can deal with this." The future destroyer of the USSR was finally approved by the West for use in business as the chief Judas. The special operation was entering its final stage ...
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  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 January 2021 10: 20
    -4
    The beauty of conspiracy theories is that they do not need proofs (he is also secret) and, accordingly, the impossibility of refuting them (what to refute if there are no facts).
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 12: 45
      +3
      And the fact that people in the same position (not the smallest one) are dying in batches is not a fact?
      Nobody has proved that Stalin himself started the mass repressions. More precisely, the opposite has been proven. But the semi-official story of 75 years stupidly repeats Khrushchev's fables. Although, who is Khrushchev to believe him?
      As for the Ministry of Defense, further events confirm the "conspiracy" version. The military did not heed the warning in April 1987. conducted the exercise "Operation Atrina", which frightened the Americans to a pulp. And already in May of the same year, the USSR Ministry of Defense, Sokolov was framed with a win-win combination with Rust and dismissed. For not knocking Rust down. If he had shot down, they would have been dismissed for having shot down. Well, do not poison again.
      When several strangely coinciding events are united by a common logic, it is worth taking a closer look at them.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 13: 21
        -2
        Nobody has proved that Stalin himself started the mass repressions.

        It's actually proven.

        More precisely, the opposite is proved.

        No, the opposite has not been proven.

        But the semi-official story of 75 years stupidly repeats Khrushchev's fables.

        The official history repeats the content of the documents.

        And the fact that people in the same position (not the smallest one) are dying in batches is not a fact?

        A fact that can be explained by a variety of reasons, of which the "CIA conspiracy" is far from the most likely.

        However, if there really was a CIA conspiracy and all these persons died as a result of the actions of the American special services, then we will have to state their total superiority over the Soviet secret services.

        The military did not heed the warning in April 1987. conducted the "Operation Atrina" exercise, which frightened the Americans half to death

        Can you see evidence of "scaring Americans half to death"?

        Sokolov was framed with a win-win combination with Rust and was dismissed. For not knocking Rust down. If he had shot down, they would have been dismissed for having shot down. Well, do not poison again.

        If only ... when they try to present their speculations as evidence, it means that the thesis has a weak evidence base.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 16: 50
          +1
          A fact that can be explained by a variety of reasons, of which the "CIA conspiracy" is far from the most likely.

          Where did I write about the CIA conspiracy?
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 00: 59
            -1
            This is written in the article.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 01: 02
              +1
              These ministers were unlikely to be hounded by the CIA. More like the KGB. There were opportunities and experience. After that, it is especially funny to read about poisoning by the Novice and polonium. They would have been poisoned so that no one would have suspected poisoning.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 01: 10
                0
                These ministers were unlikely to be hounded by the CIA. Rather the KGB.

                And, well, then argue with Neukropny, who is to blame for the alleged poisoning of Soviet and pro-Soviet generals.

                After that, it's especially funny to read about poisoning by a Newbie.

                But the developers of the "Novice" itself are somehow not laughing. They just agreed with the conclusions of the German laboratory.
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 17: 05
          +2
          It's actually proven.

          There was a collegial leadership in the USSR. The majority in the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of the Soviet Union (later - the CPSU).
          This can be seen simply from the surviving protocols of the Poltburo regarding convictions.
          Yu.N. Zhukov cites a huge array of minutes of PB meetings on a variety of issues, where you can see with what difficulty (and not always) Stalin was able to promote his opinion.

          Can you see evidence of "scaring Americans half to death"?

          And sho, did someone die?

          If only ... when they try to present their speculations as evidence, it means that the thesis has a weak evidence base.

          Damn, well, prove it wrong ...
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 01: 02
            0
            There was a collegial leadership in the USSR. The majority in the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of the Soviet Union (later - the CPSU).
            This can be seen simply from the surviving protocols of the Poltburo regarding convictions.
            Yu.N. Zhukov cites a huge array of minutes of PB meetings on a variety of issues, where you can see with what difficulty (and not always) Stalin was able to promote his opinion.

            Execution lists with Stalin's signature - is this also a consequence of the "collegial leadership"?

            And sho, did someone die?

            I am still waiting for proof of "half to death".

            Damn, well, prove it wrong ...

            Read about who has the burden of proof sometime. Suddenly you will understand.
      2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 January 2021 17: 16
        +1
        Quote: boriz
        And the fact that people in the same position (not the smallest one) are dying in batches is not a fact?

        If the author is right, and the CIA acted in the USSR as at home, then the USSR was a weak state, which allowed it. Therefore, it fell apart. If the author is wrong, then the USSR collapsed itself because of its weakness. There is no difference.

        Quote: boriz
        Nobody has proved that Stalin himself started the mass repressions. More precisely, the opposite has been proven. But the semi-official story of 75 years stupidly repeats Khrushchev's fables. Although, who is Khrushchev to believe him?

        There are many documents signed by Stalin.

        Quote: boriz
        As for the Ministry of Defense, further events confirm the "conspiracy" version.

        If you really want to see confirmation, you will definitely see them.

        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 17: 22
          0
          There are many documents signed by Stalin.

          Now prove that the documents are signed by Stalin alone. He is a "tyrant" and "autocrat".
          Well?
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 January 2021 18: 00
            +1
            https://bessmertnybarak.ru/article/direktiva_tsk_vkp_863/
            This document gave rise to a great terror. It was sent to regional committees signed by Stalin.



            Here Stalin approves limits on executions. I want to remind you that Stalin was not a judge, not even any kind of state official. By his "autocratic" order, he sent hundreds of people to death in violation of the current constitution and laws. What is not a tyrant? What changes the presence of other signatures?
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 18: 12
              +3
              In this case, Stalin and Molotov acted within the protocol of the PB meeting. And at least five people have signatures on the PB protocols. Decisions were made collectively.
              By the way, all sentences were drawn up in accordance with the then legislation.
              The conspiracies were real. No one doubted this, even the US ambassador. He left memories of these trials.
              And those who committed abuses in the process of cleansing society later, under Beria, went to the execution cellar and to the Kolyma.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 January 2021 22: 06
                -2
                Quote: boriz
                In this case, Stalin and Molotov acted within the protocol of the PB meeting.

                What is a Politburo? The governing body of the CPSU (b). Does this body of a public organization have the right to decide the life and death of citizens of the USSR? According to the laws of that time, no. Any laws were to be adopted by the supreme authority of the USSR, the Central Executive Committee, on the basis of these laws, the SNK adopts by-laws. There was nothing like this during the period of the "big" terror. The Politburo directly ordered the NKVD, bypassing the legal procedure.

                Quote: boriz
                By the way, all sentences were drawn up in accordance with the then legislation.

                By the way, no. According to the current constitution, only a court could imprison liberty, life or property in an open session in the presence of the accused and the defense lawyer. None of these points have been met, since the troika is not a court. All decisions of the triplets are not legal under the constitution in force at that time.

                Quote: boriz
                The conspiracies were real. No one doubted this, even the US ambassador. He left memories of these trials.

                Didn't read, give a link. Although the Moscow trial somehow created the appearance of legality, the bulk of the citizens were convicted by troikas, and there was not much legality in them.
                If there were conspiracies, then their number could not have been the same as how many people suffered from repression.

                Quote: boriz
                And those who committed abuses in the process of cleansing society later, under Beria, went to the execution cellar and to the Kolyma.

                Yes, it turned out that practically the entire leadership of the NKVD committed abuses in the process of purging society. And you know, "cleansing society" sounds like a fascist.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 24 January 2021 01: 42
                  -1
                  Oleg Rambover... Your interpretation of the facts and events of those times is amusing. This is how Alexandre Dumas composed his novels. He took real people, facts and created his own version of events for them. You are a writer.

                  Although unlikely. I think that you did not invent all this yourself, but retell the version created by foreign experts, the quality of the lies points to the professionals.
        2. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 17: 36
          0
          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          There are many documents signed by Stalin.

          Oleg Rambover, if I understood you correctly, do your documents behave like gophers? Cool! You are a real liberal. lol
    2. Dear sofa expert. 23 January 2021 13: 01
      0
      The beauty of conspiracy theories is that they do not need proofs (he is also secret) and, accordingly, the impossibility of refuting them (what to refute if there are no facts).

      Ltd! I greet you for such a mature and intelligible saying!

      But, for some reason, you completely forget about this when it comes to hysteria of a universal scale, a'la: "poisoning by Putin, Navalny & co"!

      Is this a manifestation of your craving for "double standards", or does your memory just knock you off "at the right time"?)
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 00: 03
        +1
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        But, for some reason, you completely forget about this when it comes to hysteria of a universal scale, a'la: "poisoning by Putin, Navalny & co"!

        First of all, I don’t remember speaking out on this matter.
        Secondly, you don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory when it comes to hysteria on a Russian scale, a'la: "the Germans poisoned themselves, all the OPCW laboratories faked the result, Navalny poisoned himself, he was poisoned by the CIA in Tomsk to stop SP2, etc."
        Or do you have a craving for "double standards", or "at the right moment" just knocks off your memory?

        Navalny was poisoned on the Tomsk-Moscow plane, this is a fact, I do not know anything more for certain.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 00: 45
          +1
          Navalny was poisoned on the Tomsk-Moscow plane, this is a fact, I do not know anything more for certain.

          "Was there a boy?"

          Where did you get the confidence that someone was hounding him?

          In my opinion, it is people like you who allow themselves to be fooled by all sorts of "spy hysteria".

          Or maybe you have good reason to trust the arguments of some kind of "special services"?

          Personally, I have more faith in ordinary Omsk doctors, who initially argued that the state of this idiot was caused by some kind of metabolic disorder (presumably - hypoglycemic syndrome).

          Everything that followed - from start to finish - was staged.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 01: 07
            -2
            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            Everything that followed - from start to finish - was staged.

            So a conspiracy theory? And not double standards?
            I have no reason not to trust the OPCW. And the Omsk doctors do not have the equipment to identify such toxic substances, and in Omsk Navalny was in the toxicology department.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 01: 37
              +1
              So a conspiracy theory? And not double standards?

              No.) As they say, nothing personal, just politics.

              I have no reason not to trust the OPCW.

              And I have no reason to trust them.

              And the Omsk doctors do not have the equipment to detect such toxic substances,

              Is.

              and in Omsk, Navalny was in the toxicology department.

              Yes, because the poisoning was worked out like the first version.
              OV was not found.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 11: 23
                +1
                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                No.) As they say, nothing personal, just politics.

                And in my opinion conspiracy theory (all of Europe has united and amicably falsifies the results) and double standards.

                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                And I have no reason to trust them.

                I personally don’t remember a single case of the OPCW doing the results. It includes the Russian Federation, I don’t remember that its representatives were indignant.

                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                Is.

                No. There are no such sensitive ones.

                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                Yes, because the poisoning was worked out like the first version.
                OV was not found.

                Found later.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 12: 00
                  +2
                  the whole of Europe has united and amicably falsifies the results

                  Why exaggerate so much?) What does Europe have to do with it? You perfectly understand who is behind all this. Europe is just a forced executor of the owners "out of a puddle".

                  I personally don’t remember a single case of the OPCW doing the results. It includes the Russian Federation, I don’t remember that its representatives were indignant.

                  Do not pretend to be "simple".)
                  You understand that any expert organization works with the material at its disposal.

                  Where did you get the confidence that it was the real samples that were presented to her? Who was allowed to control it? The Germans refused to cooperate with Russia on this issue.
                  The question is why?
                  After all, it is Russia that has “primary”, which means that it is guaranteed not to be manipulated material from Navalny. There are no traces of OM in it. There is no problem for modern science to prove that it belongs to the "woe-leshik".

                  They refused to cooperate because then there would not have been an explanation of where traces of the poisonous substance appeared later in the pure "Russian" materials.

                  No. There are no such sensitive ones.

                  How do you know this?)

                  Found later.

                  Found after they themselves added it there. It is obvious. See above.

                  PS All this will of course become clear over time. The question is - what will it give?

                  Navalny has already completed the first part intended for him, the role of Mavr. The intermediate goal has already been achieved, new sanctions have been imposed, and they helped send Mavr-Lyoshik himself to Matrosskaya Tishina.
                  There again, more benefit from it.
                  It will be possible then to throw more sanctions, for example, according to the principle of "Magnitsky's list", and only after that Mavr will be allowed to leave.

                  And you say emigration.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 January 2021 01: 13
                    -2
                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Why exaggerate so much?) What does Europe have to do with it? You perfectly understand who is behind all this. Europe is just a forced executor of the owners "out of a puddle".

                    Why exaggerate? The analyzes were carried out in three laboratories in different EU countries. So they all participate in the conspiracy. And the fact that Europe has a master "from behind a puddle" is not a conspiracy theory? And not double standards?

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Do not pretend to be "simple".)
                    You understand that any expert organization works with the material at its disposal.

                    Where did you get the confidence that it was the real samples that were presented to her? Who was allowed to control it? The Germans refused to cooperate with Russia on this issue.

                    You again go into conspiracy theory. Based on roughly nothing. I mean, speculation.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    After all, it is Russia that has “primary”, which means that it is guaranteed not to be manipulated material from Navalny. There are no traces of OM in it. There is no problem for modern science to prove that it belongs to the "woe-leshik".

                    So why don't they prove it?

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    How do you know this?)

                    From the media
                    https://echo.msk.ru/programs/observation/2703899-echo/

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Found after they themselves added it there. It is obvious.

                    That is, Navalny was flying, he did not touch anyone, and then he felt bad (just bad, in no way connected with poisons). Russian doctors suspected poisoning, but by and large they did not find the cause, and then Merkel decided to take advantage of the situation, bring the oppositionist to Germany and feed him poison so ... by the way, why, I do not have enough imagination. For one thing, I connected the OPCW to the dark, where absolutely stupid people work, including representatives of the Russian Federation, as if they were eating bullshit. Not missing something? But this is not a conspiracy? (theory) And certainly not double standards.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Navalny has already completed the first part intended for him, the role of Mavr. The intermediate goal has already been achieved, new sanctions have been imposed, and they helped send Mavr-Lyoshik himself to Matrosskaya Tishina.
                    There again, more benefit from it.
                    It will be possible then to throw more sanctions, for example, according to the principle of "Magnitsky's list", and only after that Mavr will be allowed to leave.

                    What is your maxim based on? Have you come up with it yourself? And this is not a conspiracy theory? And not double standards? And memory does not knock off?
                    The situation with Nord Stream 2 gives a special piquancy to this story, in which Germany does not need the complication of relations with the Russian Federation at all.
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 01: 07
          +2
          And I don't know that Navalny was poisoned on the Tomsk-Moscow plane.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 01: 22
            -2
            Good for you.
        3. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 24 January 2021 02: 00
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          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          Navalny was poisoned on a Tomsk-Moscow plane, that's a fact

          No one has poisoned him anywhere, his darling sits behind bars, safe and sound. It is a fact!
  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 January 2021 10: 26
    +2
    I decided on this topic long ago. I completely agree with the article! And the fact that the General Prosecutor of the USSR Rekunkov A.M. (1981-1988) and the KGB did not pay attention, already suspiciously. And if they had investigated correctly, then Chernenko would have corrected. Because the safety of the first persons is increased. And then, well, they died and died. That's the whole investigation.
  3. Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
    Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 23 January 2021 12: 08
    +1
    a hint of a specific covid, maybe he did not want to be a Jew, but he was painted a picture?