Full-scale offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces may put an end to the issue of Donbass

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Almost forgotten during the presidency of Donald Trump, Donbass returns to news the agenda. The head of the proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin announced his readiness to hold a second referendum on self-determination. The main intrigue is whether the question of joining Russia will be raised at the plebiscite, and how will the Kremlin react to the aspirations of the Russians this time?

Undoubtedly, Donetsk's initiative is a response to Joe Biden's team coming to power in Washington. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy immediately invited the American leader to the Ukrainian capital:



I am watching the inauguration of the new US president in the new office on Bankova Street, and I will be glad to welcome Joe Biden to Kiev, well known to him. I am sure our relations will improve.

Indeed, Joe Biden is very familiar with Kiev; during the reign of Barack Obama, he himself, as Vice President of the United States, kicked open any door in the upper corridors of Ukrainian power. It is in the Square that a heap of corruption scandals related to the son of "Sleepy Joe" Hunter stretches. And it was under the democrats in Ukraine that the Maidan took place in 2014, territories were lost, a long-term bloody civil war began, which has not ended to this day.

And now the Democratic Party has returned to power in the United States. Since over the past six years the issue with either the DPR and LPR, or the Crimea, has not been resolved in favor of Kiev, there is no doubt that Washington will again firmly take up this lever of pressure on Moscow. Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 did not help return certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions back to Ukraine. But quite recently, right before our eyes, Azerbaijan was able to resolve by force the long-standing territorial conflict with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh. With relative equality of the sides in terms of combat capabilities, the intervention of a third party, Ankara, was enough on the side of Baku, and in 44 days Azerbaijan returned most of the unrecognized republic, and 5 years after the withdrawal of the Russian peacekeepers, it may try to take the rest.

A bad example of resolving a political issue by military force has already inspired Kiev, and then the ideological inspirers of the Maidan and the conflict between Ukraine and Russia have returned to the White House. Over the past 6 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have increased their numbers and have seriously increased the level of training, organization and controllability. Let the Ukrainian soldiers and not "john rambos", but they are no longer those hesitant guys who could be safely driven across the field in a white "Niva". And now in Donbass Kiev will begin to incite in Washington, providing him with military support. It is possible that Turkey can also take the side of Ukraine in the war for Donbass, helping the Armed Forces of Ukraine with shock UAVs and its military experts who passed through Syria, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh.

It is obvious that the DPR and LPR on their own will not be able to withstand such an onslaught. "Vacationers" from Russia are, of course, good, but if the hostilities become large-scale, it is not known how long effective military assistance is possible in such an unofficial format. One thing is good that Donbass has a common border with the Rostov region, in this he was more fortunate than Nagorno-Karabakh or Transnistria.

In this context, it is not surprising that in Donetsk they started talking about a new referendum on self-determination. It is not yet known whether it will actually be carried out, and what questions will be raised in this case. On the one hand, the big mistake in 2014 was to limit ourselves to self-determination and not ask the people about joining Russia. Today the situation is even more complicated, since a significant part of the territory of Donetsk and Luhansk regions is not controlled by the proclaimed republics, and their population will no longer be able to vote. On the other hand, it is not known how this time the Kremlin will react to the results of the referendum. Previously, they limited themselves to "respect", but their results were never recognized. Official propagandists actively promoted the line that "we did not promise anything to anyone." Also popularized was the dubious idea that it was not Russians, but Russian-speaking Ukrainians who were supposedly living in Donbass.

The idea of ​​a new referendum is an instrument of political bargaining with "Western partners" and their puppets in Kiev. If Washington begins to actively use Ukraine against Russia, then a new popular expression of will can indeed be carried out in the territories controlled by Donetsk and Lugansk. It is unlikely that the DPR and LPR will then be automatically admitted to the Russian Federation, but in the event of a large-scale offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the support of the Turks and Americans, their inclusion as some "federal territories" becomes a little more realistic. The military defeat of Donbass will be a strong image blow for President Putin, but the admission of the two long-suffering republics to Russia to save them, on the contrary, could become a strong PR stunt. This political decision will be supported by the fact that Russian passports are actively distributed in the DPR and LPR, and Moscow should protect its citizens.
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  1. -10
    21 January 2021 15: 43
    For centuries we have respected Russia and for centuries we have been destroyed for this !!!!
    Stop hoping for indecisive allies !!!!!
    During the First World War in Lviv, people were killed for the Russian language, now in Odessa in the Donbass and in general throughout Ukraine !!!!
    Do not vote for Putin, he has gone through a series of erroneous decisions leading to the loss of allies and the deterioration of life in Russia itself, he is under public pressure and cannot even stand it !!
    1. +7
      21 January 2021 15: 59
      For centuries we have respected Russia and for centuries we have been destroyed for this.

      When I see so many pronouns in such a short sentence, then I have no doubts about its authorship - a golny troll.
      1. -1
        21 January 2021 16: 40
        Manipulation, contrary to logic. And pronouns are meant to hide stupidity.
      2. -1
        21 January 2021 17: 38
        Are you a highly educated writer !? At least I’m about sore and you ...... About what !?
      3. 0
        30 January 2021 21: 32
        This is not a troll. It is a robotic translation of an English text.
    2. +4
      22 January 2021 08: 22
      marciz (Stas), stupid, if someone is under pressure, it's you, and you sag more and more under the Western uncle, apparently the 90s in Russia do not teach you anything, but they taught us a lot and we have to repeat them no more, as they rightly say: they learn from mistakes in order to never repeat them again !!!
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      1. 0
        28 January 2021 12: 18
        how do the Turks have you talk about it
      2. 0
        28 January 2021 12: 49
        Who allowed stupid lumps to talk about the great Russian people?
      3. 0
        30 January 2021 21: 36
        The Turks had aizers in all places until the Russian tsar said stop. Now the situation is the same. The Janissaries have already settled down behind the Iizers, but the great Putin gave the command "fu"!
      4. 0
        18 February 2021 16: 45
        How long has it been that Donbass and Crimea have become a foreign land for Russians?))) You even call yourself Mahmud - all the same, your svidomye ears stick out of your post))) Just humble yourself and get ready to give Russians what they owned for centuries!
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  2. -7
    21 January 2021 15: 50
    Of course, we all want our government to protect its citizens. But life shows that the authorities, before defending their own interests, think very strongly. So it is with Donbass. There are plenty of reasons to annex these territories. But then they will have to be restored, and our rulers do not want to spend money on the people. Here on yourself loved ones, it's easy, but let the people take care of themselves! Therefore, this situation in Donbass is beneficial for both Ukraine and Russia. The United States is not afraid to provoke Russia. Because if Russia, God forbid, answers, the US may lose more than it gains. Conclusion: "Donbass will smolder indefinitely, like Transnistria."
  3. +10
    21 January 2021 16: 39
    I think that if we take back Russian territories, then only in bulk: Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, Odessa, Kharkov, Mariupol .... One fig - they will impose sanctions on the threshold.
    1. -4
      22 January 2021 18: 08
      We absolutely do not need these territories. Do you want to feed Ukrainians again like in the USSR for 74 years and then hear that Muscovites have eaten all the meat and sausage?
      How long can you step on the same rake? Are you able to understand that Ukrainians HATE all Russians and Russia?
      1. 0
        28 January 2021 12: 19
        Donbass was populated exclusively by Russians
        1. 0
          28 January 2021 17: 19
          Yes, when the Jew Ulyanov gave it to Ukraine it was. But more than 100 years have passed, and everyone there has gone wild. There are no Russians there.
    2. -3
      23 January 2021 13: 52
      After 7 years, you just realized !!!! ???? Horror !!!!! You were expected in 2014 !!!! You betrayed !!!!! What are you doing here clever crowd now !! ????
  4. 0
    21 January 2021 17: 02
    Nothing will change, IMHO. The role of the armed buffer zone is fulfilled.
    And the rest - according to Medvedev - ... hold on.
    1. -1
      21 January 2021 20: 49
      Nothing will change, IMHO. The role of the armed buffer zone is fulfilled.
      And the rest - according to Medvedev - ... hold on.

      Ukraine now plays the role of an armed buffer zone.

      You hold on there, Europe is already helping you with fat.
  5. +6
    21 January 2021 17: 20
    Russian blood is not water, but it is mainly Russian people who are dying there, loyal to Russia in soul and body ... Think, Mr. "Guarantor", and if Russia does not undertake what it should do when "we do not abandon our own people," then and the price of such power is seven years of death, blood and grief in the Donbass, and you just chew snot ... America, to destroy Iraq, only one test tube with washing powder in the hands of Colin Powell was enough, but we are really threatened by the same Ukraine itself to occupy the Kuban, Voronezh and Belgorod regions, which is a complete and obvious threat to the security of our country, and from our side there is only complete silence.
    1. +1
      26 January 2021 00: 47
      If the threat is real, then new territorial entities will appear in Russia, including the Kiev region.
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  7. +6
    21 January 2021 18: 53
    in Donbass there are now people with Russian passports and now Russia is obliged to protect its citizens, which means to eliminate the statehood of the outskirts
    1. -2
      21 January 2021 19: 48
      which means to eliminate the statehood of the outskirts

      This does not follow from the previous words. And people with Russian passports are present in many other places. For that matter, several holders of Russian passports are even in American prisons. Russia also protects them, from time to time issuing notes of protest and various communiqués.
      1. +2
        22 January 2021 08: 30
        One with the other is not subject to any comparison, because these are completely different situations, one should not write deliberate nonsense and present it here with a clever look as the true truth.
        1. -4
          22 January 2021 09: 38
          What is it for clever people to read lectures and judge where is nonsense and where there is no nonsense, go read your favorite book, Engels' correspondence with Kautsky, then tell me what you disagree with :)
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      2. 0
        28 January 2021 12: 21
        ... people with Russian passports are present in many other places ... the main ratio
  8. +7
    21 January 2021 19: 42
    Donbass will be returned to Russia long ago, and Russia should be cleansed of all kinds of Russophobes
    1. -5
      22 January 2021 18: 10
      Why Donbass is needed as part of Russia? For what purpose? Sooner or later we will recognize them as independent republics. They will be at the level of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
      1. +3
        25 January 2021 14: 34
        Here are independent republics such as Abkhazia and South Ossetia, living at the expense of the Russian Federation and unpredictable for the Russian Federation by their actions, the Russian Federation is not needed. It's time to close the trough. Either they are part of the Russian Federation, or let them live at their own expense, and not at the expense of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, this also applies, otherwise the multi-vector hurts at our expense ... Donbass has historically been part of Russia and should return to Russia. The lands of the Kharkov region were part of Russia even at a time when all of their Ukraine was sweeping the streets of the Poles.
        1. -4
          25 January 2021 15: 55
          We have finally learned how to draw up contracts in such a way that no one will take them away. The United States has been renting land for its base in Cuba for 60 years (this is under Castro) and the Cubans cannot do anything about it.
          Why do we need to feed YUS and Abkhazia? Let them learn to earn money, and we give them a little so that they do not die of hunger. But Russia has not made any investments in them, is not making and is not going to make. Themselves, let them learn to support themselves. The time of the free Council of Deputies has passed irrevocably.
          In the same way, Belarus did not stick to one place for us. let them learn to make money and at the same time we are gradually closing our market for Belarusians. Only through competition can they get to us. And their products are of very low quality, worse than Russian ones.
          1. +1
            26 January 2021 11: 58
            Take a closer look at how much the Russian Federation spends on a former scoop in which she is not the mistress. Be surprised. So either to the Russian Federation, or a kick in the ass. Stop feeding foreign countries at the expense and to the detriment of the Russian Federation!
            1. -2
              26 January 2021 20: 54
              Now we only spend a little on Belarus.
              1. +1
                27 January 2021 20: 53
                Quite a lot and this money would not interfere with my city and there would be more benefits from it in the Russian Federation than from unpredictable multi-vector parasites
                1. -3
                  28 January 2021 17: 17
                  Even compared to last year, much less. The multi-vector has been striving for this for a long time. Now we have forced Belarus to send its oil products through the ports of the Leningrad region instead of Lithuania. It was forced, and all the expenses are at the expense of Belarus, the shoulder is much longer. How was it forced? It's very simple. We sold oil with a small discount, otherwise buy and transport it at world prices through the ports of Lithuania. Multi-vector immediately on the ass and sat down. And no longer whines that the West will lend him a shoulder.
  9. +3
    21 January 2021 22: 52
    I doubt Zelensky will unleash a new war. Neither himself nor his generals are suicides, after all! The experience of Mishiko Saakashvili in 2008 tells them something. In addition, Donbass is now full of citizens with Russian passports, in contrast to the citizens of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008. And the Russian army is now much more efficient! Joe Biden, of course, will add oil to the fire, but he will not send his soldiers there.
  10. -4
    22 January 2021 00: 00
    Eh! Russia is weak and poor, a full-scale war will return Ukraine and Crimea, and Donbass, and Rostov, Belgorod and Voronezh regions! Forward, UPA soldiers!
    1. +3
      22 January 2021 08: 33
      You fool, however, if a full-scale war will return anyone, it is Ukraine to a normal course, and all these Western henchmen will end up with an unenviable fate !!!
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    3. 0
      22 January 2021 12: 32
      Naxera to you in the graves of Crimea and Donbass? They will bury you in Galicia, and there it is very far to the indicated territories.
      1. -1
        22 January 2021 13: 03
        Crimea and Donbass are striving with all their might to Ukraine! And Moscow won't let you go!
    4. +1
      26 January 2021 00: 53
      Did the UPA miss the forests? There is a lot of free space for "maneuvers" in Magadan!
    5. 0
      28 January 2021 12: 39
      Robot BoBot, not everyone can correctly understand the Free Thinking Machine, alas. sad
    6. 0
      9 February 2021 03: 12
      And all the UPA soldiers to the wall or, as in the good old days, to put on a stake. and then there will be peace and order !!!
  11. +4
    22 January 2021 01: 12
    The author is not in the subject. Both Biden and Nuland, at one time, spoke on camera to the Ukrainian leadership about the need to implement the Minsk agreements. They talked about the need to federalize the country and used the United States as an example.
    Zelensky will wait for nothing else.
    In Russia, a reinforced division has been formed next to the LPNR, which will enter the line of contact within XNUMX hours in case of a massive attack. Everyone knows about this, so no one will attack.
    The day before yesterday, the head of the OSCE warned Ukraine against trying to follow the example of Azerbaijan in Karabakh. She and Kuleba went to Donbass. Brave woman.

    The military defeat of Donbass will be a strong image blow for President Putin,

    This is ridiculous. Did Putin, without thinking, warn Ukraine about problems with statehood in the event of an attack on Donbass?
    1. +2
      22 January 2021 06: 53
      Quote: boriz
      The author is not in the subject. Both Biden and Nuland, at one time, spoke on camera to the Ukrainian leadership about the need to implement the Minsk agreements. They talked about the need to federalize the country and used the United States as an example.
      Zelensky will wait for nothing else.

      But you never know what they said "to the camera." laughing
      1. +2
        22 January 2021 20: 02
        I build on what Biden and Nuland said officially when they acted on the Democratic agenda. Which is still in power. What are you based on?
        On your own inventions?

        ... if hostilities become widespread, it is not known how long effective military assistance is possible in such an informal format.

        Putin has clearly announced a response to massive attacks, including "problems for the statehood of Ukraine." The corresponding grouping is collected in the right place.
        In Ukraine, Biden's election is viewed with little enthusiasm. Zelensky was not invited to the inauguration. And you can't hear that there is anyone from Ukraine at all present.
        And the fact that the information on the Burisma case was not given to Trump and the corresponding criminal case was closed, so "the service that has already been provided is worth nothing." (FROM)
    2. +3
      22 January 2021 08: 38
      To believe American politicians - not to respect yourself !!!
      1. +1
        22 January 2021 20: 03
        So they did not tell us, but the government and parliament of Ukraine. And they believed.
  12. 0
    22 January 2021 09: 43
    Biden will not allow Putin to fight for Donbass.
  13. +1
    22 January 2021 10: 03
    First you need to ask the residents of the DPR and LPR whether they need it? Pushilin is not an authority even in his own circles. He has his own tasks, not the people. At the root we need to look, do the people of Donbass need an alliance with Russia and joining it? Putin's policy could not please the residents of the DPR and LPR. I don't think they believe in Putin's Russia. Even Russians are aware that the Russian government acted softly, with its duplicity, it led the republics to poverty and many troubles. Give me at least one fact when the Russian government acted unequivocally and firmly on the issue of republics. Bring me at least one truthful, intelligible collection of opinions of local residents at different sections of the republics' society. That's when you can understand that the Russian media are lying to us and what they think about this on the other side.
    1. 0
      22 January 2021 15: 39
      Already asked, and more than once, back to the wretched and henpecked West Bandera-fascist Ukraine, they certainly do not want, they openly hate it !!!
    2. 0
      22 January 2021 18: 17
      And you wanted Putin to let you into the Russian bins and you, like 74 years in the Soviet Union, would skate like cheese in butter? No dear ones. You will work for a bowl of gruel for the good of Russia, but if you don't like it, go to Ukraine. The freebie is over for you. In the best case, Russia recognizes you as independent states like Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And then they rolled their lips into Russian salaries and pensions. Right now. Make money first, you fucking brothers.
  14. +1
    22 January 2021 12: 31
    I wonder why Ukrainians in the Karabakh conflict associate themselves with Azeris? Or maybe in this case they will be Armenians and then the result of the provocation will be completely opposite. No one in the world doubts that Russia has the right to intervene in the event of an aggravation in Donbas, as well as as a result of such an aggravation.
  15. +3
    22 January 2021 18: 04
    How many underdeveloped dreamers about the defeat of Russia. The Americans can fight to the last Ukrainians, but they will not take up arms themselves. The Turks are the same. They don't need sanctions from Russia.
    And if the provinces of the LDNR start to fight, then Russia will introduce its troops there to protect its citizens. There are neither more nor less of them, but there are 350 thousand. And after that, Russia will recognize the independence of the LPR and the DPR and make the official border between the republics and Ukraine. This will be the result of the Ukrainian offensive. They will lose territory forever. The example of Georgia does not teach anything. The West will sing, it will sing, and it will calm down. It was not their territory that was cut off, but the Ukrainians.
  16. +1
    22 January 2021 22: 21
    Let the Armed Forces not climb into Donbass. They have a weak point. Yes, they themselves are talking about it.
  17. 0
    23 January 2021 12: 45
    Quote: sgrabik
    marciz (Stas), stupid, if someone is under pressure, it's you, and you sag more and more under the Western uncle, apparently the 90s in Russia do not teach you anything, but they taught us a lot and we have to repeat them no more, as they rightly say: they learn from mistakes in order to never repeat them again !!!

    And what did the 90s teach the Russians? As you voted for the one who will be shown on TV in NG, you vote. As on the couch they shouted about Crimea, ours, we will protect the Russian-speaking, and sit on the same couch in silence, when already 12k Russian-speaking civilians have died. Can you recall the Russian-speaking Transnistria and the LDNR and how they were recognized by the Russian Federation? But there were two referendums in Transnistria: on independence and on joining the Russian Federation, both positive. So it is better for the deaf and dumb to be silent more, and not to vilify about the protection of Russians and Russian-speaking.
  18. 0
    24 January 2021 09: 01
    Undoubtedly, it is not possible to solve the problems of South-East by means of negotiation-agreements ... It was not for the world that the United States created in haste this formation of criminals and ...
  19. +1
    25 January 2021 07: 38
    Who needs it? Putin? I doubt that Russia had the opportunity to support Novorossiya when there was a decisive leader there, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine was naked and fragmented, we missed this unique opportunity mediocrely.
  20. +1
    25 January 2021 20: 09
    LDNR is not Ukrainians! these are Russians, worthy of respect! the pro-Putin policy towards them is calculating and looks like cowardice! it is necessary to hammer the Ukrainians from the collapse to Kiev, and then take Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, etc., depriving them of access to the sea!
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    1. 0
      10 February 2021 18: 02
      He is a lamb. How much drool I released, it was enough to say who you are and where you are from. This is enough.
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      12 March 2021 00: 13
      Hasan- what should we do, we will figure it out without you- the United States interferes with all the affairs of all states all its life- give them your valuable instructions
  22. +1
    28 January 2021 18: 32
    1. 300 citizens of the DPR-LPR have Russian passports in their hands.
    2. The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the DPR-LPR - a threat to citizens of the Russian Federation
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  24. +1
    30 January 2021 21: 38
    Ukraine is already dead.
  25. 0
    10 February 2021 18: 00
    It's scary to say, but I would rather. Yes, innocent people will die, but then we will see the true face of our guarantor. Whether he abandons the Russians or not. Or he will again listen to his double agents, who, if not themselves, then their children, relatives, supposedly ex-wives have real estate abroad, a residence permit in the same place, study and so on in the same spirit.
  26. 0
    4 March 2021 00: 41
    ... well known to him Kiev

    ? )) In my opinion, Zel confused Joseph with his son.
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    0
    11 March 2021 21: 00
    Here you are all yelling. Overthrow Putin. He is not worthy. And who instead of him? Navalny? Yes, you are crazy. As soon as Putin leaves the post of president of the country, Russia will plunge into chaos. will have to wage wars. and fighting on their land. all creeping creatures will rush to tear apart the country. This policy does not suit me. I want a peaceful sky over my head. I know what war is not by hearsay. And you can not worry about Donbass. They will give an order to move forward and destroy any threat. There is no one who is not going to leave the Slavic brothers without the help of the military
  29. +2
    13 March 2021 04: 13
    I don't understand at all what the dispute is about. Ukraine says that its territories are occupied and forgets that these are territories primarily of the Russian Empire and its successors, the USSR and the Russian Federation. The USSR gave the republics the opportunity to independently determine their future, so why now these republics do not give the same opportunity to the regions that are part of them? Why was the collective West silent when the USSR was being torn to pieces, and now it squeals about the division and return of the same torn pieces? In general, I believe that the Russian Federation has the right to annex any territories that have ever been part of the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, including Poland and Finland. The Balts generally need to be deprived of their statehood, but they somehow lived for centuries, not dreaming of independence. Ukraine had to be revived in '14, forcing the participants in the coup to work in felling and annexing territories to the Russian Federation, as regions, up to Zhytomyr and Vinnitsa, inclusive.