Nord Stream 2 may be canceled: Russia sends a signal to Europe


The implementation of the Nord Stream 2 gas transmission project has come under threat. Moreover, this time it was the Russian gas giant who announced that the completion of the gas pipeline could be canceled altogether or suspended indefinitely. This was reported by the British agency Reuters, referring to the data contained in the project for the placement of Eurobonds of PJSC Gazprom.


Throughout our major international projects, including the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, we have faced and may continue to face risks associated with a change political situations in different regions related to projects. In exceptional circumstances, such changes may lead to the suspension or termination of the project.

- says the document of the company.

The Russian expert community reacted to what was happening with publications on social networks and the media. According to some analysts, Russia is thus sending a certain signal to Europe.

So the Germans began to designate new frameworks of behavior ...

- noted Dmitry Evstafiev, candidate of political sciences, professor at the Higher School of Economics, political scientist-Americanist.

I thought that at first they would hang ribbons for the British, but apparently they decided that the Germans were wrong to interpret our politeness and gentleness as weakness and readiness to agree to any of their conditions.

- added Evstafiev.

This is a clear signal that the bridges have been burned

- Sure political scientist Alexei Chesnakov, director of the Center for Current Politics.

At the same time, not all experts consider Gazprom's statement an ultimatum. On the contrary, they think that this is an invitation to a compromise solution to the issue.

As a result, American companies will enter SP-2, and everything will calm down

- thinks the political strategist Marat Bashirov, a member of the commissions of the Ministry of Energy, the RUIE and the FAS.

We remind you that in December 2019, the vessels of the Swiss company Allseas stopped laying pipes for Nord Stream 2. A year later, the Russian TUB "Fortuna" completed the construction of a 2,6 km long section of the highway in German waters in shallow waters.

On January 15, 2021, the German regulator issued a permit for the completion of two sections (16,5 km and 13,9 km) in the deep-water section of German waters. However, on January 18, environmentalists managed to suspend this document. This suggests that Russians have to regularly face opposition not only from Americans, but also from Europeans themselves.
  • Photos used: https://www.gazprom.com/
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 19 January 2021 19: 35
    +5
    Europe is not a reliable partner. Moscow is sending a signal that it can send her to collect dung.
    1. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 20 January 2021 12: 49
      +3
      As VVP says, cut wood, and those in Siberia.
  2. Semyon Semyonov_2 (Semyon Semyonov) 19 January 2021 20: 40
    +1
    Is it a lope of money thrown into the pipe?
  3. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 19 January 2021 20: 42
    +3
    The inability of the Western “partners” to resist the pressure of the USA, let them buy the USA's one, for only a couple of dollars more.
    They accept an energy package, a cross-border tax, sanctions - is the Russian Federation imposing gas on them?
    As Vladimir Putin said, at the expense of energy resources, the budget is formed by 30%, a lot of course, but it has been worse.
  4. nikolai.shupenin 19 January 2021 20: 52
    0
    why not send them all and do further
  5. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 21: 19
    -17%
    Russia needs to abolish many things. Support for separatists from Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. Assad in Syria and Haftar in Libya. And this is Venezuela.
    On the conscience of the Russian Federation and its friends Millions of refugees. There are 11 million of them in Syria. For example.
    Learn to live where you live long ago. And even where you live, you are the masters of your Earth, you cannot.
    Taiga is burning, Crimea is drying up.
    Maybe enough to grab. You can choke.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 21: 45
      +6
      Crimea was covered with snow. Droughts have always been there periodically. This happened last year. But it's already over.
      But they found a water lens under the Azov Sea. By the next drought they will have time to fill the wells, and the problem will be removed.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 22: 02
        -12%
        Quote: boriz
        Crimea was covered with snow. Droughts have always been there periodically

        Your naive answer is accepted. Hammer in the search "There is not enough water in the Crimea" and you will understand everything.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 22: 53
          +8
          1. I did not give a reason to poke.
          2. Filter the bazaar.
          3. I advise you to wake up. Crimea was covered with snow. The drought is over. Type in Google.
          Your "there is not enough water in the Crimea" is no longer relevant.
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 23: 43
            -6
            Quote: boriz
            Crimea was covered with snow.

            I understand that you live one day?
            I strongly recommend that you study the topic of lack of water in the Crimea, otherwise, according to your logic, the channel with the Dnieper water was not needed there.
            It sounds - It's covered with snow .. How to measure it, how much of it will remain until the summer of HZ ..
        2. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 23: 47
          +5
          Vladest, we have already discussed the topic of water scarcity. Now we are discussing another topic, and you are in the way.

          Mal bug, yes smelly.
        3. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
          Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 20 January 2021 13: 34
          +3
          Farmer, I don't even need to score. I live in Crimea.
          There are problems, people talk about them, but they can be solved.
          And most importantly, they have already begun to be addressed.
          In Kiev and the region, people often sit without water. Kherson (region) suffers, half from the same drought, half from groundwater, due to the blocked channel. Zaporozhye and Nikolaev on the way.
          Don't you care?
    2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 January 2021 22: 26
      +8
      And on the conscience of your country is the support of separatists and bandits in Chechnya. Don't you want to repent yourself? And to pay compensation to the Russian Federation? Before teaching us to live in the Russian Federation, it would not hurt to look at ourselves more often !!
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 22: 32
        -11%
        I did not understand the humor to whom it was written, however.
        But I understood the meaning. Russia does not want to give freedom to its separatists, but separatists in neighboring countries are GOOD and they need help.
        Did I understand you correctly ?
        It means wanting to others what you don’t want for yourself. This is not good. This is mean.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 January 2021 22: 37
          +8
          Let's start with the fact that there was a civil war in Chechnya, and your country and others like it climbed there not to protect their citizens and their people, but their swinish motives. So there is no need to compare your filthy deeds with what the Russian Federation is doing. If it depended on me, I would have declared war on you long ago and liquidated your fascist enclave as such, together with the fascist currency priestesses of love, such as your Dalia Grybauskaite (a suitable surname for a night butterfly) ... And most importantly - These are your countries first climbed into the territory of the Russian Federation to establish their bestial rules, Russia in those days did not even touch you with a finger, but people like you, without luli as without gingerbread, you cannot live peacefully without reference to Magadan.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 22: 51
            +6
            An Estonian woman, a sniper, was caught in Chechnya. They made money in that war. They were hated there and could not be delivered alive to some extent, on the way ... well, you understand.

            And when the next one was caught, they were sent under guard together with our wounded, by helicopter, to a special department.

            It is not known how the wounded soldiers found out who was flying with them. And the escort didn't help. They threw it alive from the helicopter. And they listened to her squealing.

            Interestingly, the soldiers were seriously injured.
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 January 2021 22: 53
              +4
              One Estonian? Don't be ridiculous, yours were there like mud and, alas, not everyone was caught, and you pressed the Russians as you wanted. Well, don’t worry, we have a good memory, we’ll still count, only then don’t whine about bad Russians, all this time we ran into trouble and continue to run up. Citizens of Ukraine, such as Igor Mazur and others like him, do not hesitate to tell how they fought in Chechnya against the Russian Federation, and now they don’t like Donbass ... We did not invite you to the Russian Federation either ... Besides, Chechnya has never been a part of Ukraine, but Ukraine has never existed in Donbass and will soon never be.
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 23: 23
                +1
                Well, you give ... I heard this story in Penza, from a KGB officer. We were in the same room, there were some athletes, there were no vacant rooms. He just arrived and drank vodka. He felt bad from that trip.
                I think you get it. Or I have become old, I do not catch up with you. Then I'm sorry.
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    3. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 22: 47
      +3
      Russia needs to abolish many things.

      When we are interested in your opinion, we will definitely ask you.
    4. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
      Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 20 January 2021 08: 11
      0
      Golden words!
    5. Nenashev Yuri Offline Nenashev Yuri
      Nenashev Yuri (Nenashev Yuri) 20 January 2021 10: 57
      +3
      Russia is fighting the infection and has already developed three vaccines. Ukraine is fighting heroically for borscht. A little time will pass and there will be a vaccine against you.
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    7. Lucifer67S Offline Lucifer67S
      Lucifer67S (Viktor Schmidt) 20 January 2021 13: 56
      0
      smotri chtobi ti i tebe podobnie nepodavilis, russkie vse pravilno delajut.Takim kak ti nado svoe mesto pokazivat, a to borzet nachinaete.
  6. Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
    Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 19 January 2021 21: 25
    0
    The democrats should not expect the lifting of sanctions. They also pushed through the defense budget. The only thing is to arrange for the states to exchange unsolvable problems. Prepare claims. Imposed sanctions, then pay damages. And tact is a dead end, while a dead end
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 22: 36
      -9
      Quote: Cucumbers
      The democrats should not expect the lifting of sanctions. They also pushed through the defense budget. The only thing is to arrange for the states to exchange unsolvable problems. Prepare claims. Imposed sanctions, then pay damages. And tact is a dead end, while a dead end

      And as you can understand, millions of Russians in Ukraine suffer as Ukrainians from the actions of the Russian Federation against Ukraine.
      Will you agree to accept Russian refugees to live in if they flee from Ukraine?
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 22: 57
        +1
        Will you agree to accept Russian refugees to live in if they flee from Ukraine?

        Already, the bill goes to the millions. About 23 million people physically live in Ukraine. (at 53 million in 1993). They have been moving to Russia for 25 years.
        And whose will you, introduce yourself, do not be shy (unless, of course, you are not ashamed).
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 20 January 2021 14: 24
          -5
          Quote: boriz
          Already, the bill goes into the millions.

          I meant CONSCIENCE. There people give up everything they have gained. How would you take everything from you and let you roam.
          Many flee to Russia and wander there like beggars. We rule demography in the Russian Federation, of course.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 19 January 2021 23: 23
        +2
        And how can you understand millions of Russians in Ukraine, just as Ukrainians suffer from the actions of the Russian Federation against Ukraine.

        They suffer from the rule of the Bandera Nazis, supported by European like-minded people.

        Will you agree to accept Russian refugees to live in if they flee from Ukraine?

        Why bother people? You don't have to go anywhere. We will accept them together with the territory. winked
      3. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
        Piramidon (Stepan) 20 January 2021 11: 25
        +2
        Quote: Vladest
        Will you agree to accept Russian refugees to live in if they flee from Ukraine?

        Here you are spitting shit, and meanwhile, 3 million Ukrainians live in Russia, about the same number arrived after the tragic events in Donbass. And that's not counting the temporary guest workers. In addition, more than 220 thousand residents of Donbass received Russian citizenship, so stay in your own Europe, eat its handouts and do not get involved in Russian affairs.
      4. Lucifer67S Offline Lucifer67S
        Lucifer67S (Viktor Schmidt) 20 January 2021 14: 06
        +1
        "Vladest (Vladimir)" - s kakoy takoy Ukraini ?! Etu stranu vidumali kommunisti, a teper debili vsjakie etim nazvaniem prikrivajutsja, hotja sami kommunistov nenavidjat. Nado prosto vignat vseh prozapadnih nazikov (hohlov) i vseh ostalnih vernutu domoky v Rossuij.
  7. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 21: 41
    +2
    Brilliant marketing ploy! The gas market should not be allowed to relax!
    By the way, I'm serious ...
  8. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 21: 47
    0
    ... the Russian gas giant announced that the completion of the pipeline could be canceled altogether or suspended indefinitely.

    This is pressure on countries interested in our gas. Not very good times are beginning in the United States, it's time for these countries to decide who they are with.

    Perhaps it became known about some new obstacles from the United States. There is no fair competition. We must learn to measure our strengths and achieve what we want.
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 22: 15
      -8
      Quote: isofat
      This is pressure on countries interested in our gas.

      If you study the modern Gas Market more or less, you will understand that there is a surplus of it there.
      The most important thing is that you who read only the news from the Russian media of gas and oil in the world at least eat Well, except for the Russian Federation, all and sundry are producing it all in the world. ... Only the Turks have already discovered the sea in Ch. And Wed. sea ​​och large deposits of this gas called methane.
      Do you have Gas? Sell ​​it at a price to buy it from you. Putin needs currency.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 22: 36
        0
        Quote: Vladest
        If you study the modern Gas Market more or less, you will understand that there is a surplus of it there.

        Justify this surplus our gas, Estonian "friend". smile
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 22: 54
          -5
          Quote: isofat
          Justify this surplus of our gas, Estonian "friend".

          This is just primitive. You decided to go for me, but on the topic it is ZERO.
          Who taught you to argue like that?
          You will prove that what you are claiming is true. Otherwise, You are a chattering talker.
          Small does not mean bad. Switzerland is it big?
          And in Estonia, things are going much better than in Russia ..
          Give an example, what is better in Russia than in Estonia?
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          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 23: 27
            +2
            There is no need to put forward unfounded statements. You put forward a statement - you justify it.
            As for gas, we still have our own gas market, internal. Now, urgently, gasification of settlements, which are still sitting without gas. Our country is a little bigger than Estonia, it is expensive and takes a lot of time. But we manage.
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      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 19 January 2021 23: 31
        +1
        If you study the modern Gas Market more or less, you will understand that there is a surplus of it there.

        If you try even a little to study it and make friends with the basics of economics, you will understand that gas needs to be delivered. Everything that does not come from Russia is much more expensive, you will have to save money and there will not be enough money to support the limitrophe.

        Only the Turks have already discovered the sea in Ch. And Wed. sea ​​och large deposits of this gas called methane.

        What was opened or closed there is not important, perhaps news for you, but it still needs to be obtained. And the Turks do not know how.

        Do you have Gas? Sell ​​it at a price to buy it from you. Putin needs currency.

        You are extremely ignorant. The price of Russian gas is the most competitive. If Germany is not happy with it, let it take LNG at exorbitant prices. And your farm business is to sit and snore in a rag, because the beauty Kersti needs currency. laughing Anger Merkel, put her on a hunger ration. winked
      3. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 January 2021 00: 50
        +1
        Sell ​​it at a price to buy it from you.

        Advice of exceptional value!
        But, you will not believe, this is how we sell. There is no other way.
    2. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 22: 42
      -4
      Quote: isofat
      This is pressure on countries interested in our gas.

      You would do chips on which your PC will depend. And then some kind of vampirism turns out. We are sitting on not our electronics, but we feel ourselves as heroes on Gaza.
      The time has come when both gas and oil will be MORE than necessary.
      Or is Russia so weak that it WILL DIE without selling oil and gas?
      Estonia, for example, lives by selling high tech.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 23: 00
        0
        The time has come when both gas and oil will be MORE than necessary.

        At prices (especially for gas), something is not similar.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 23: 10
        +3
        Your software will not even feed the remaining Estonian population.
        You lived on Russian transit, electricity export. There was no transit, 25% of the capacities of Narva GRES were forced by the EU to close. Electricity prices are going up. Subsidies are declining. Soon - teeth on the shelf.
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 20 January 2021 00: 12
          -8
          Quote: boriz
          Subsidies are declining. Soon - teeth on the shelf.

          You should study why EU subsidies for new members. But I'm not a lecturer here.
          The EU is all in subsidies. Especially CX.
          If you say that Estonia is falling, then an example please. Decrease in household income for example ..
          Although, just hearing about transit, I realized that you are in our economy, in its understanding of ZERO.
          Estonia is a high-tech state. This is a state where the average salary is 1400 euros and the pensioner is not offended by 500 euros of pension for full length of service per month.
          Although you are not too lazy to share your knowledge with you. The more developed the state is, the more developed the SPHERE of SERVICES is. This means that all work is done by professionals.
          70% of GDP and more is a success. For example, the USA is almost 80% (USA is a splinter of Russian propaganda)
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 20 January 2021 00: 23
            0
            Quote: Vladest
            USA Splinter of Russian propaganda

            We need to tell them about it quickly, otherwise they think that they are a great country. It turns out to be a simple splinter. request
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 20 January 2021 00: 44
              -1
              We need to tell them about it quickly, otherwise they think that they are a great country. It turns out to be a simple splinter.

              The main thing is not to clarify what this splinter is, otherwise Biden will have enough kondraty right at the inauguration laughing
          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 20 January 2021 00: 25
            +1
            In the United States, most of its services (50% of GDP) are financial transactions. This part will collapse to 10%, or even 5% within a year. Then you will sing. Trump was trying to return real production to the United States. Not allowed. Now the US is going to slide down during this year. A large share of services in GDP is a time bomb.
            All receive subsidies in different ways. You are in the throes of states, such as Germany. Contribute to the EU budget less than you get from them. This is already ending.
      3. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 23: 28
        +2
        We are sitting on not our electronics, but we feel ourselves as heroes on Gaza.

        You have neither your own gas nor your electronics.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 20 January 2021 00: 25
          +1
          I'm still waiting for him to ask for money, so as not to interfere with us. smile
        2. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 20 January 2021 14: 19
          -3
          Quote: boriz
          You have neither your own gas nor your electronics.

          Japan lives on everything imported and for some reason is richer than the Russian Federation ...
          Think uncle, think. Why...
      4. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 19 January 2021 23: 35
        0
        You would do chips on which your PC will depend. And then some kind of vampirism turns out. We are sitting on not our electronics, but we feel ourselves as heroes on Gaza.

        We do at least some of them, you only know how to collect bottles on the roadside. laughing

        The time has come when both gas and oil will be MORE than necessary.

        For this reason, the price is rushing up? smile

        Or is Russia so weak that it WILL DIE without selling oil and gas?

        We wouldn't catch a cold at your funeral winked

        Estonia, for example, lives by selling high tech.

        Unless of course you count the German handouts lol You are subsidized backers sad
      5. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 January 2021 01: 04
        +4
        What do you boast about? Do you make all sorts of rattles out of other people's parts?
        Can you make a 5th generation fighter? A nuclear power plant that has no equal in the world? Reactor on a closed nuclear cycle? A hypersonic missile? Make and launch a spaceship themselves? A nuclear submarine? Is the plane a passenger? Ice-class LNG carrier? Nuclear icebreaker? Maybe you make the chips themselves? Can you make a locomotive and a car yourself? Build a bridge across the Kerch Strait? Do you have science? Are you developing a fusion reactor? Good tank? Strategic bomber? Electronic warfare (if you know what it is)?
        You live by selling only one product: Russophobia. For this you are fed as long as there is a demand for this product and there is an opportunity to pay money for it.
        You are an impotent country. You are an empty space on the map. Nobody needs you. This year, the economies of the USA, EU, China will collapse and you will die. Do not contact us.
  9. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 January 2021 22: 29
    0
    It is time for Russia to say clearly that it will not renew the contract for transit through Ukraine. This will set the brains of the masters of the old world. US shale gas is more expensive and will bury the EU economy by making EU goods uncompetitive.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 23: 03
      0
      And there will be no abundance of shale gas. Biden will return to climate agreements and close shale support programs.
      Plus, US oil production has declined. And a significant part of LNG is associated gas. God grant that they have enough for themselves.
      1. onstar9 Offline onstar9
        onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 22 January 2021 06: 46
        0
        Quote: boriz
        And there will be no abundance of shale gas. Biden will return to climate agreements and close shale support programs.

        Biden will "howl" very soon when there is not enough money to support the United States. Revenues fell by 30% due to the pandemic, but money is needed. The debt has already climbed over the roof, in trillions ... So I'm afraid very soon Baidusha will "spit" on the Paris Agreement and will drive oil and gas out of all the "holes" ...
  10. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 22: 47
    -7
    At the moment, minus $ 15 billion. Not all of this is Russia, of course, but the pension in the Russian Federation is something ok. 15k rubles. Maybe there will be a CONSCIENCE in power. Save money on Russians. Anyone Assad, Modura, Lukashenka always has money there. Or to Skobeeva with her husband. And Soloviev was already tired of giving on Wed. to buy the sea.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 January 2021 23: 06
      +4
      Golden words. So I think that it is high time for the Russian Federation to adopt a law on citizenship modeled on Saudi Arabia and start saving on the Chubais and other patriots of foreign states who have lost their way in the Russian Federation, and to impose sanctions against Russophobic countries. That is without what, and without HolidayIn, McDonald's, KaFSi and the like, the Russian Federation will definitely live, and the Yankees will calculate losses.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 19 January 2021 23: 20
      +1
      At the moment, minus $ 15 billion.

      What's that minus 15 billion? Why is it said?
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 23: 48
        -4
        Quote: boriz
        What's that minus 15 billion? Why is it said?

        This means that the Russian Federation has thrown up money, but there is no income from expenses.
        This means how to wage a new type of war.
        Even if the Russian Federation lost 15 out of 5 billion dollars, it means that many Russians worked for many days down the drain. They were buried in the sand of the Baltic Sea.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 20 January 2021 00: 11
          0
          This means that the Russian Federation has thrown up money, but there is no income from expenses.
          This means how to wage a new type of war.
          Even if the Russian Federation lost 15 out of 5 billion dollars, it means that many Russians worked for many days down the drain. They were buried in the sand of the Baltic Sea

          The project cost was 9,5 billion euros, which is typical, half of the amount is "buried in the sand of the Baltic Sea" by European companies.

          In April 2017, Nord Stream 2 AG signed agreements with ENGIE, OMV, Royal Dutch Shell, Uniper and Wintershall to finance the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project. Five European companies will provide long-term financing in the amount of 50% of the total project cost.

          https://www.gazprom.ru/projects/nord-stream2/

          In general, teach materiel, storyteller sad
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 20 January 2021 00: 19
            -5
            Quote: 123
            The project cost was 9,5 billion euros

            This means that your data is out of date. It seems that there was 15 right there on the site the other day. What do you think this fuss for more than a year on completing the Stream is free?
            These are your 9,5 billion price as of December 2019.
            Every day of pipe downtime is a minus, minus income. And that's the cost.
            There is so much land in Russia, so much natural wealth, and everything is little and little. It was necessary to plunder Ukraine. If only they knew how to use what they have. The US is certainly an enemy. But the Chinese friends, in spite of all enemies, will soon buy half of Siberia. HZ what else do the authorities in the Russian Federation need ...
            You can somehow choke.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 20 January 2021 00: 34
              +1
              This means that your data is out of date. It seems that there was 15 right there on the site the other day. What do you think this fuss for more than a year on completing the Stream is free?
              These are your 9,5 billion price as of December 2019.
              Every day of pipe downtime is a minus, minus income. And that's the cost.

              Oh, this Estonian mentality laughing Everything has to be repeated twice. sad What's on the site was not in the know, I'm not going to delve into it because I don't see the point. Can you read? Half of the amount was invested by European companies. This means your data is not correct. Or has 30 billion already been invested in the pipeline? smile

              There is so much land in Russia, so much natural wealth, and everything is little and little.

              Silently envy. Our ancestors earned her blood and sweat. Your thugs were beating on the farm. Use what they left you laughing

              It was necessary to plunder Ukraine.

              Ukraine is being robbed by your masters.

              If only they knew how to use what they have.

              how much to repeat? Do not yawn on someone else's inch sad Earn your own and use it as you want, there is nothing to teach us about life.

              The US is certainly an enemy. But the Chinese friends, in spite of all enemies, will soon buy half of Siberia.

              We will rather resell Estonia to them. smile It is necessary to delve into the archives, what Peter I bought there ... Just decide with the population to sell or not winked So don't be angry, future Chinese citizens ...

              HZ what else do the authorities in the Russian Federation need ...
              You can somehow choke.

              Calm down already, drown in saliva. Envy will not lead to good.
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 20 January 2021 00: 32
          0
          If you are talking about SP2, then it will be finished when necessary.
          But you don't speak in riddles. Write what you think about. There are no Wolf Messings for you here.
        3. onstar9 Offline onstar9
          onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 22 January 2021 06: 52
          0
          Quote: Vladest
          Even if the Russian Federation lost 15 out of 5 billion dollars, it means that many Russians worked for many days down the drain. They were buried in the sand of the Baltic Sea.

          Is this the first time for Putin and the Russian elite, or what? The Russian people will "pay" for everything, as always ... They do not even doubt ... Therefore, all sorts of "cost overruns, expenses, losses" even in trillions, they "do not care" ... To rule Rosseyushka is a "break even" business ... Never go broke, no matter how badly they ruled ... Palaces are built for billions of dollars, and children are collected for treatment on the Internet for a penny ...
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 19 January 2021 23: 51
      +2
      At the moment, minus $ 15 billion. Not all of this is Russia, of course, but the pension in the Russian Federation is something ok. 15k rubles. Maybe there will be a CONSCIENCE in power. Save money on Russians.

      Oh, these storytellers laughing Is 220 euros in Estonia better? Pay for a communal apartment, do not deny yourself anything? laughing Buy a goose at the market and tell him about happy Estonian pensioners sad

      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 20 January 2021 21: 04
        -3
        Quote: 123
        Oh, these storytellers 220 euros in Estonia is that better? Pay for a communal apartment, do not deny yourself anything? Buy a goose at the market and tell him about happy Estonian pensioners

        Pension in Estonia for full length of service is 500 euros. 220 is a naked folk. Everyone gets as much as they have earned. Well, how you spend your money is your skill. Everywhere you have to eat and pay social security in the Russian Federation too and in Nicaragua.
        In secret . It is always not enough for a person. In any country, no matter how rich it is, you will find someone who does not care.
        We have relatives in the Russian Federation, pensioners. We retirees visit them every year. They never come to us. You can run over a lot while surviving on 25 rubles together.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 20 January 2021 21: 21
          +2
          Pension in Estonia for full length of service is 500 euros. 220 is a naked folk. Everyone gets as much as they have earned.

          We have relatives in the Russian Federation, pensioners. We retirees go to visit them every year. They never come to us. You can run over a lot while surviving on 25 rubles together.

          And in our country, you think Putin personally goes home and takes away everything over 15? Everyone succeeds in different ways, especially depending on the region. I will receive these 000 euros in Siberia, by the way, this is far from the limit, people are doing decently more. In this case, there will be 500% for communal services. And our prices are not in euros. so it's not all that sad. Small pensions with us are certainly disgusting, but to say that you have paradise there is also not true.
    4. white gentleman Offline white gentleman
      white gentleman (Ivan) 20 January 2021 20: 15
      -2
      Oil and gas analyst Mikhail Krutikhin commented on the events around Nord Stream 2, spoke about the cost of the project, and also explained who “all these tens of billions of dollars” received.

      “The project died back in December 2019 when the US Congress passed a law introducing sanctions. I honestly think that this is some kind of corpseation!

      Only about $ 2 billion was spent on the underwater part of Nord Stream 9, but on the gas transportation corridor there are figures, Gazprom published them back in 2008 - only from the Yamal Peninsula to Torzhok, that's 2 km, - 200 billion dollars. 92 km off-road, tundra .. And then, look at how much it costs from Torzhok to the Baltic, and add billions of dollars more.
      Rotenberg and his friends received these tens of billions for the construction of this unnecessary gas transportation corridor, which has drowned. "

      from the media
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 20 January 2021 21: 49
        +1
        from the media

        Why so modest? Let's give a little more detail on what kind of media is, so at least we will understand the degree of information reliability. So ... Quote from this article

        Oil and gas analyst Mikhail Krutikhin on the air of the radio station Echo of Moscow commented on the events around Nord Stream 2, spoke about the cost of the project, and also explained who “all these tens of billions of dollars” received.

        https://newizv.ru/article/general/20-01-2021/mihail-krutihin-voznya-vokrug-severnogo-potoka-2-eto-kakoe-to-trupolozhestvo

        Published in Novye Izvestia. A little about the edition ...

        History Published since 1997. It was founded by Igor Golembiovsky after his departure, together with some journalists from the Izvestia newspaper. DThe newspaper was created with the money of Boris Berezovsky, but officially belonged to Oleg Mitvol.

        RBC has information about the General Director of New Izvestia Gazeta LLC - Dmitry Igorevich Gryzanov
        https://www.rbc.ru/companies/id/5167746305447-ooo-gazeta-novyie-izvestiya/

        Oddly enough, there is information on the network that this enterprise was liquidated in 2018.
        https://www.openweb.ru/owner-771771632631-gryzanov-dmitriy-igorevich
        https://checko.ru/company/gazeta-novye-izvestiya-1037704024225

        A little about the expert himself. This is it in 2017.

        Mikhail Krutikhin: 100 rubles per dollar is a fair price

        https://sobesednik.ru/dengi/20170315-mihail-krutihin-100-rubley-za-dollar-eto-spravedlivaya-cen
        © Sobesednik.ru

        You can judge for yourself how accurate the predictions are. 3 years have passed, but there is still no justice request

        In general, everyone himself can make a conclusion about the reliability of the information you provide and its objectivity. In my opinion it's more honest yes And you apparently, as usual, put the wrong nag winked
        laughing lol laughing
  11. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 23: 51
    -6
    Quote: boriz
    At prices (especially for gas), something is not similar.

    And can you give an example for prices? not long ago it was $ 240 per 1000 cubic meters.
    What's on this front now?
    I really want to get an answer)))
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 20 January 2021 00: 29
      +3
      And so it remained. Bad price? We like.
      But you started importing electricity. And earlier they were driven for export.
      Dismantle the railway branches. As unnecessary.
  12. alex-sherbakov48 20 January 2021 06: 08
    +2
    Europe does not want to live in warmth, then let it freeze! The pipe will be redirected to the Kaliningrad region and there will begin to develop the construction of processing plants. To intensify the work on gasification of our country, otherwise our people still continue to live in the 16th century or even earlier !!!
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 20 January 2021 21: 44
      -2
      Quote: alex-sherbakov48
      Europe does not want to live in warmth, then let it freeze!

      Here at least stand still fall. Gas is sold not only by Russia. The trends are such that gas production in the world is ahead of the growth in its consumption. It's clear?
      Even if Russia suddenly stops supplying gas to the external market. This gas shortage will be immediately compensated for to the joy of competitors. But of course, with an increase in the price of it.
      And so, if the RF wants to sell its gas? To your health, but nobody canceled the competition.
      1. onstar9 Offline onstar9
        onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 22 January 2021 07: 03
        0
        Quote: Vladest
        Europe does not want to live in warmth, then let it freeze!

        Here at least stand still fall. Gas is sold not only by Russia. The trends are such that gas production in the world is ahead of the growth in its consumption. It's clear?
        Even if Russia suddenly stops supplying gas to the external market. This gas shortage will be immediately compensated for to the joy of competitors. But of course, with an increase in the price of it.
        And so, if the RF wants to sell its gas? To your health, but nobody canceled the competition.

        Yes, Gazprom knows very well that their gas can be quickly replaced if they leave the market. That is why gas prices have been lowered significantly recently. And we agree to bear most of the costs for the construction of gas pipelines. To be afraid of losing this penny. Otherwise Vova will build palaces for himself. This is where the "couch analysts" live with centennial ideas that "everyone in the world is fighting for natural resources in Russia" ... Now just all countries are "fighting" to sell their raw materials ... With the growth of technology, mining is becoming cheaper and more and more countries connect to this trade. Everyone is happy to sell at least something ... It is difficult to create high-tech goods, and everyone can sell various natural "shit" ...
  13. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 20 January 2021 08: 21
    -4
    Everyone here yells and argues, forgetting that in fact all these sevorotok and the southern one are more political in order to spoil Ukraine. Before these flows, gas in the required volume was quietly going through Belarus and Ukraine. And now these pipes are enough for Europe. And for the sake of earnings in hard currency and filling the budget, we will continue to drive gas through those pipes in the amount that Europe will need.
  14. EXPrompt Offline EXPrompt
    EXPrompt (EXPrompt) 20 January 2021 08: 55
    0
    Rave. The British are muddying up the waters again. All of this is for domestic English consumption.
    For the Russian Federation to abandon the SP-2 itself, it is simply nonsense, whoever abandons the project pays. Why should the Russian Federation give up the Sp-2, and so everything has already been paid for, and pay a penalty. There's no point.
  15. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 January 2021 09: 51
    -4
    Ha. Again. We learn something about Gazprom from some foreign Reuters.
    Gazprom is milked as they want, evidently taking advantage of the absence of fines in contracts for non-fulfillment of obligations
  16. Vladimir Kron Offline Vladimir Kron
    Vladimir Kron (Vladimir Kron) 20 January 2021 10: 57
    -2
    And the pensions of the military pensioners are frozen and then 10 lard there 20 syudy and silence !!!!!!!
  17. Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 20 January 2021 12: 36
    0
    Quote: Vladest
    Russia needs to abolish many things. Support for separatists from Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. Assad in Syria and Haftar in Libya. And this is Venezuela.
    On the conscience of the Russian Federation and its friends Millions of refugees. There are 11 million of them in Syria. For example.
    Learn to live where you live long ago. And even where you live, you are the masters of your Earth, you cannot.
    Taiga is burning, Crimea is drying up.
    Maybe enough to grab. You can choke.

    No no. We will not speak your language anyway. As well as in Romanian. But Ukraine must be crushed and, for a start, returned to the borders of 1918. The people from Syria fled BEFORE US. So put all your complaints to your hosts from Fashington ...
  18. nevalgen Offline nevalgen
    nevalgen (Alexander ) 20 January 2021 15: 04
    0
    It is necessary to turn the pipe to the Kaliningrad region and there to make a point of sale of our gas for Europe ... The Lyakhs will be grateful to us for this opportunity to blackmail the Hans ...
  19. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 20 January 2021 17: 00
    +2
    We have SP-1 working halfway. You all remember how Europe limited this pipe by its own laws. If Europe needed gas, they wouldn't do it. So the SP-2 they put a stick in the wheels more. The opinion is that they do not want to do not. We need to reorient ourselves to Asia. There is a rapidly growing market.
  20. white gentleman Offline white gentleman
    white gentleman (Ivan) 20 January 2021 20: 11
    -3
    In a few years, the gas pipelines from Russia to Germany will go into oblivion. The Federal Republic of Germany will introduce a hydrocarbon tax from 2025, which will hit hard on the benefits of using natural gas. This will force consumers to look for an alternative.
    The published German energy doctrine shows that by 2050 the entire German economy should switch to hydrogen as an energy carrier.
    Japan also plans to convert its energy to hydrogen.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 20 January 2021 22: 03
      +2
      In a few years, the gas pipelines from Russia to Germany will go into oblivion. The Federal Republic of Germany will introduce a hydrocarbon tax from 2025, which will hit hard on the benefits of using natural gas. This will force consumers to look for an alternative.
      The published German energy doctrine shows that by 2050 the entire German economy should switch to hydrogen as an energy carrier.
      Japan also plans to convert its energy to hydrogen.

      What great news good Russia will significantly increase its export of hydrogen; production facilities are already under construction. And the need for the Ukrainian GTS will finally disappear laughing
      1. white gentleman Offline white gentleman
        white gentleman (Ivan) 21 January 2021 20: 19
        -3
        they won't buy anything from Putin at all. Called international sanctions.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 21 January 2021 20: 34
          0
          they won't buy anything from Putin at all. Called international sanctions.

          A familiar story. So say all the hicks who prefer to drown with dung. laughing There will always be buyers accustomed to comfort and in need of industry.
      2. onstar9 Offline onstar9
        onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 22 January 2021 07: 11
        0
        Quote: 123
        What a great news Russia will significantly increase its export of hydrogen, production facilities are already under construction. And the need for the Ukrainian GTS will finally disappear

        Yes, I’m afraid that as solar and wind energy develops, hydrogen will gradually "evaporate" as unnecessary ... Cars will definitely leave hydrocarbons, and this is more than half of the total demand for oil and gas. And they won't need hydrogen for them ...
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 22 January 2021 07: 37
          -1
          Yes, I'm afraid that as solar and wind energy develops, hydrogen will gradually "evaporate" as unnecessary ...

          Don't be afraid, won't evaporate. Sailboats are not yet so perfect.


          Cars will definitely go away from hydrocarbons, and this is more than half of the total demand for oil and gas.

          Have you read science fiction?

          And they won't need hydrogen for them ...

          It seems that at least the Europeans disagree with you. Moreover, they are also going to convert diesel locomotives to hydrogen.
  21. Elen_msk Offline Elen_msk
    Elen_msk (Elena Belyakova) 21 January 2021 09: 22
    0
    The fact that different companies laid pipes, it may happen that somewhere there will be inconsistencies in the seams, a marriage ... This leapfrog with the plotters can ruin our reputation in the future if there are gas leaks or water flows into the pipes. I think the United States also had this in mind when imposing sanctions
  22. Alexander Glukhov (Alexander Glukhov) 21 January 2021 13: 00
    +2
    Quote: white gentleman
    In a few years, the gas pipelines from Russia to Germany will go into oblivion. The Federal Republic of Germany will introduce a hydrocarbon tax from 2025, which will hit hard on the benefits of using natural gas. This will force consumers to look for an alternative.
    The published German energy doctrine shows that by 2050 the entire German economy should switch to hydrogen as an energy carrier.
    Japan also plans to convert its energy to hydrogen.

    There is no free hydrogen on Earth, to get it, you need to spend electricity to decompose water into hydrogen and oxygen. And this is again nuclear, coal, gas and other power plants. Isn't it easier to use natural gas bypassing the electrolysis process?
    1. white gentleman Offline white gentleman
      white gentleman (Ivan) 21 January 2021 20: 24
      -1
      Alexander Glukhov wanted to teach the European Union wisdom? wink
      The EU is switching from oil and natural gas to hydrogen, raising the hydrocarbon tax from 2025, which will make it extremely unprofitable.

      The EU plan has three phases. Brussels proposes to produce almost a million tons of this substance in the European Union by 2024, and 2030 million tons by 10.
      The first, with the rejection of hydrocarbon energy, Germany will switch entirely to hydrogen.

      By 2050, the EU plans to create a self-sustaining hydrogen industry that will replace fossil fuels in all sectors where wind turbines or solar panels cannot.
      1. oderih Offline oderih
        oderih (Alex) 21 January 2021 21: 33
        +1
        Do you know that today 70% of hydrogen in the world is obtained from natural gas and only 5% from water? It's just 5 times cheaper than electrolysis of water. Yes. Hydrogen is most likely the future. But you and your children will not see this yet.
      2. Alexander Glukhov (Alexander Glukhov) 24 January 2021 21: 42
        +1
        To obtain hydrogen, again, natural gas plus coking coal is needed, or a sea of ​​electricity, which no wind generators together with solar panels can provide.
    2. onstar9 Offline onstar9
      onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 22 January 2021 07: 20
      0
      Quote: Alexander Glukhov
      There is no free hydrogen on Earth, to get it, you need to spend electricity to decompose water into hydrogen and oxygen. And this is again nuclear, coal, gas and other power plants. Isn't it easier to use natural gas bypassing the electrolysis process?

      You don't get the point. They want to get hydrogen by electrolysis of water, spending electricity from remote solar and wind power plants. It will be cheaper than building huge cables thousands of kilometers long to carry electricity from these wind and solar fields. The cable losses will be enormous. And many new power grids have to be built across the country for additional electricity. And hydrogen can simply be pumped through pipes into conventional gas distribution networks existing in countries. No need to alter anything. The problem here is that we need to remove carbon from combustion, it creates a greenhouse effect. And you again offer to burn it. The age of carbon is over. "Burned" ... Soon he will poison the whole Earth for us ...