Return of the "victim of the regime": Three main questions about Navalny


And I knew from the very beginning that this story could not end so easily. Because from the very moment when Leshenka Navalny, a “victim of the bloody regime”, crossed the German air border with his feet on board a sanitary charter, he ceased to belong to himself.


After it was not the Charite doctors who were concerned about his fate, but people of several other wonderful professions, his life sparkled with new colors and I am not at all sure that he is very happy about this circumstance.

Your home is a prison!


If before that he himself wrote the script of his life, limited only by the plot of the plot and the financial capabilities of the Customer, now the Customer has tightened the rules of the game and revised the terms of the Contract. According to the new Contract, which for him, using his unconscious state, was signed by his assistant, MI6 staff agent, a certain Maria Pevchikh, he now has a role without words. All that is needed, he has already said, a good Indian is a dead Indian, therefore, according to the plot approved by the Customer, he will arrange the latter only in the form of a monument, a monument to himself. The Customer does not need it alive anymore.

Therefore, a pawn, and Leshenka Navalny in this game is just a pawn, I hope no one will argue with this here, they move from the e2 square to the e4 square. The consent of the pawn, you know, no one asks for this. The peshak himself might more willingly stay on the e2 square, visiting the German Chancellor, as her personal guest, but what's the point of him? On e2, his resource is extremely limited. Sitting in a rented apartment in Germany, he can shout as much as he wants that Putin is a tyrant and demand freedom for parrots, but who is already being led to this? In the West, whoever needs it already knows that Putin is a tyrant, and by definition they have never been interested in the fate of parrots. And in the East, in the Russian Federation, in the homeland of parrots, Navalny is believed only by the most brainless representatives of this detachment of feathered parrots, with such (and in the West they know this), you cannot cook porridge and you cannot overthrow a tyrant (they tried it already in 2011 - no use!). Therefore, the leader of the parrots is sent by a parcel post to the East, to the lair of the saber-toothed tyrant Putin, putting the latter on a twine in front of a dilemma, what to do with this “victim of the regime”? To admit or not to admit? Plant or not? And whatever Putin does, everything will be bad. A truly congenial move by the enemy.

In this case, the Customer will be satisfied with any alignment. The best option for him would be if the leader of the parrots was allowed into his homeland with the inevitable prospect of being imprisoned (fortunately, being at large, he had already wound himself for more than one term). Best of all, if he is handcuffed right at the airport, with further transportation to the detention center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The best option is if, after that, the "victim of the regime" in the dungeons of the NKVD, under unclear circumstances, and fumbles. For those who have forgotten, I will remind you that the list of Magnitsky, another prisoner and "victim of the regime", appeared in 2012. If it is supplemented by Navalny's list with all the ensuing aggravating consequences for the Russian Federation, it will be possible to say that Navalny did not live his worthless life in vain. After which his widow will be able to claim political asylum in any country of the free world to choose from, and agent Maria Pevchikh for promotion.

But it is also clear that the villain-Putin will not provide the West with such a profit. Well, well, they agree to this too, they will play out any step of the Kremlin to the maximum and inflame a universal conflagration from everything. By the way, for Navalny himself it would be best to return to his homeland, but remain free (if the Kremlin gives him such a chance). Because abroad he has a much greater chance of dying and becoming a monument than in his homeland, where the authorities will blow off dust particles from him. While in the West he is no longer needed alive. But, I repeat, in this case, nothing depends on him. His fate is completely in the hands of Putin and the puppeteers.

"Charite" fought for the life of our hero for a long time, but he still survived


While our hero was solving Hamlet's question: "To be or not to be?", And Moscow was faced with a dilemma to let him in or not to let him into his homeland, it's time to remember, and where, in fact, it all started? Here, by the way, the results of analyzes of our patient from the famous German clinic arrived, which somewhat alter the picture of what happened. From them it becomes clear why they did not want to give them away.

You will, of course, laugh, but I turned out to be right. If Putin wanted to kill Leshenka Navalny, he would not have found a better place than a German clinic. And most importantly, everything is sewn-covered, he died at the autopsy. What are the claims to us ?! All questions to the German luminaries from medicine. Thus, which did not help Yushchenko at one time, and Kernes not so long ago were not saved. There is no better place to go to another world, in the whole world (recommendations of the FSB, GRU and other "bloody hebny" are attached). But the powerful organism of the leader of the Russian opposition, apparently, at that time had not yet fulfilled all the tasks assigned to him. What became obvious from the subsequent chronology of events, during which the organism began to live a life separate from its owner, solving the problems of the special services supervising it. Why, in fact, he remained alive (he will die when the time comes, the desire or unwillingness of the client himself is not taken into account).

Now it becomes clear why the Kremlin so insistently demanded the results of analyzes from its German colleagues. He, like no one else, knew that in the body of our hero not only the "Novichok", but even the banal strychnine-arsenic-hydrocyanic acid could not be found. The German comrades did not find them, but they did find the Novichok. Pure, as ordered. But then the experts had difficulties how to explain that the victim of "Novichok" survived, and why the symptoms of the victim did not coincide with the symptoms of poisoning with the CWA (chemical warfare agent) of this group. I won't bore you by listing the entire long anatomical picture of the patient, the personal guest of the German Chancellor, only specialists can figure it out, but even a cursory glance is enough to suspect the experts of falsifying the facts. Personally, after reading the report they presented, I got a strong feeling that the “Novice” they found in Navalny's blood and the patient “Charite” himself existed as if in parallel realities, intersecting together only on paper. That, in fact, the document recorded. The fact that the doctors of the renowned German clinic treated our hero incorrectly, and almost killed him, we will leave it on their conscience.

The main thing that follows from the conclusions of the experts is that the symptomatology of the patient "Charite" and the methods of his treatment did not correspond to the symptoms that occur, and the protocols that are prescribed for OPP poisoning. A doctor from the German air ambulance brigade who, 31 hours after the onset of the first symptoms of poisoning, gained access to the patient, stated that the victim had “dilated pupils that did not respond to light,” but this fact contradicts the picture of organophosphate poisoning (FOS), which include “Novichok »And other organophosphate toxic substances (FOV). All of them cause the opposite symptom: miosis - constriction of the pupils due to the action of an excess of acetylcholine. It will not be possible to explain the observed paralysis of accommodation by the development of blockade of nerve impulses or by the presumptive effect of atropine (why - more on that below).

At the same time, the patient "Charite" persisted in other cholinergic symptoms: bradycardia (44 beats / min) and sweating so much that it even caused hypothermia (34,4 ° C). However, 16 hours later, during the second examination, Navalny had pupils narrowed to normal (and the effect of atropine lasts much longer) and a normal heartbeat (59 beats / min). Such dynamics is impossible in case of OPP poisoning without specific treatment. After exposure to OPA, symptoms appear in the very first minutes and rapidly increase without antidote therapy, which was not carried out in Omsk. "The only medicine prescribed at the time was Propofol," write German doctors. However, Propofol is not included in the protocol for the treatment of FOS poisoning. It is used for rapid induction of anesthesia and may help stabilize a patient with autonomic disorders of unknown etiology. What the German doctors did to transport our hero.

At the Charité clinic, laboratory tests showed a slight increase in amylase and lipase levels. If this were caused by hyperstimulation of the pancreas with acetylcholine, then the levels of all pancreatic enzymes would simultaneously increase, which was not observed. Rather, these data support diabetic ketoacidosis, which can explain the patient's loss of consciousness on the plane.

Information: According to the mechanism, OPOs are nerve poisons, and according to the chemistry of the reaction, they are irreversible or quasi-reversible inhibitors of AChE, acting in two stages. First, OPAs rapidly phosphorylate AChE at the serine residue in the esterase site. At this stage, the enzyme can still be reactivated by catalyzing dephosphorylation (for example, with oximes). If this is not done at an early stage, then the second phase will begin: irreversible inhibition of AChE with the elimination of the alkyl radical and the formation of covalent bonds between OPA and AChE. Usually they say about a "window" of 2 hours from the moment of exposure to OPA, although for different damaging agents it varies from 2 minutes to 6 hours.

An attempt to give Navalny carboxyme on the third day was deliberately unsuccessful. It only led to toxic liver damage. German doctors write about it like this: "During his stay in the intensive care unit of the Charite clinic, the patient was found to have an increase in the activity of liver enzymes."... But such treatment (together with the subsequent plasma transfusion and monitoring the level of pseudocholinesterase in dynamics) allowed the doctors to conclude that there is no free AChE inhibitor in Navalny's blood. Taking into account the severity of the lesion, it would be highly likely to be present in the event of OPT poisoning. Here is the time to remember that even in laboratory conditions it is almost impossible to ideally select the amount of reagents. There will always be some in abundance. The story with Navalny happened on a working trip, where there was no chance to calculate the dose of OPA in such a way that it would be enough for a serious injury, but no more for the cholinesterase binding in his body.

By the way, poisoned underpants, bottles smeared with poison and other elements of Bond porn are not included in the article. The authors carefully write that the symptoms of poisoning with OP and pesticides from the OP group are the same at the later stages. Therefore, the verdict of the external laboratory on the poisoning by Novichok did not in any way affect the course of treatment. Regardless of what exactly Navalny was poisoned with (Novichok, malathion, dichlorvos ...), the treatment tactics would not have changed. On the third day, it was still carried out according to the scheme of FOS poisoning, without determining the substance itself in the blood.

Despite the loud title of the article, its authors do not claim that Alexei Navalny was poisoned with chemical weapons (CW). They only cite the findings of a laboratory accredited by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). However, her report lacks specific biomarkers of poisoning, which is explained by "safety requirements." Although their concealment makes absolutely no sense, since the structural formulas of chemical warfare agents (including the Novichok group) and their precursors have long been published in the public domain.

Questions


I must say that in this whole story there is a lot that is illogical. An article in The Lancet sheds light on some of the details of the treatment, but leaves many questions.

Question # 1... Hundreds of thousands of people are poisoned with organophosphate every year because they violate machinery safety of work with pesticides. All clinical manifestations at an early stage in them are the same as in the victims of OPA. These symptoms are well known not only to toxicologists, but also to emergency doctors. How could Russian and German doctors overlook FOS poisoning in the first two days, if all the specific signs appear immediately?

Question # 2... How did it happen that Navalny became the only victim of OPF? Chemical weapons are weapons of mass destruction. Its task is to destroy as much enemy manpower as possible in the shortest possible time. Roughly speaking, to lay down an entire platoon, company, battalion with one drop. Whatever the method of delivery of the chemical agent into the body, in the affected person, the residues of OPV evaporate from the skin and are excreted along with the exhaled air. Therefore, he poses a threat to everyone around him. This is especially true for confined spaces (aircraft cabin, ambulance, elevator, intensive care unit). The question is - where are the corpses ?!

Neither the plane of the S7 airline, which our hero flew from Tomsk, nor in the Omsk emergency station # 1, where he was taken from the airport by an ambulance car, nor in the ambulance brigade itself. All "suicide bombers" worked without chemical protection suits! Video available. About his press secretary Kira Yarmysh, who personally accompanied him on the flight and on delivery to the hospital, I am already silent. She was the first to bend! But no, the smoking-room is alive. How so, I can't put my mind to it! Did you find a “newcomer” of some kind or what?

By the way, in Germany itself, which has urgently allocated for the delivery of the "personal guest of the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany" a personal medical board Bombardier Challenger 604 of the German charter airline, there should also be a sea of ​​corpses. No? Strange! The Germans are not dying? And the future widow of the deceased, personally accompanying him on the flight? Also no? Some weak "Novice" got caught. In Britain, the Skripals were more fun. There, even a month later, all sorts of homeless people continued to die, walking in the suburbs of Salisbury and picking up bottles of Novichok scattered here and there by the GRU agents. But in Germany, apart from Navalny, there are no victims with similar symptoms. In Russia too. Wonders! How to explain all this?

Question # 3... If first aid protocols are limited to the use of standard styling products, then in a large clinic there are many more treatment options. However, in a renowned German clinic for as long as 10 days, the victim of "Novichok" is prescribed atropine - the simplest m-anticholinergic blocker, which only partially alleviates the symptoms of excessive stimulation with acetylcholine. Why was he not given Aprofen, a powerful m- and n-anticholinergic drug, a specific antidote for the treatment of FOS poisoning? Its counterparts are distributed abroad under other trade names. What prevented the introduction of recombinant cholinesterase or at least immediately transfused more plasma, when the inhibition of AChE was confirmed by laboratory? Even in the absence of Aprofen and its analogues for the relief of seizures (lasting 15 days!), It was logical to additionally use n-anticholinergics. In addition, they competitively displace excess acetylcholine. Judging by the article, they were not given, although these drugs are used for the same intubation and transfer to mechanical ventilation.

However, all the therapy at Charité was supportive and ineffective, according to the authors' own admission. How, then, did the "Berlin patient" recover completely? He did not have even the slightest neurological disorders, although acetylcholine also performs biological functions in the gray matter of the brain, and prolonged (more than 3 weeks!) Exposure to an AChE inhibitor leads to persistent impairments of cognitive functions. This is if the patient can be brought to consciousness at all. However, our victim from a deadly chemical warfare agent not only regained consciousness, but also remembered everything. Turnouts, addresses, passwords, codes, telephones, names, surnames, nicknames, callsigns not only of their relatives and friends, but also of their poisoners and external curators. A truly unique person! A terminator that is immune to chemical weapons.

He is not in prison to rot, where his curators are pushing him, but in a museum among the exhibits of unearthly civilizations of the late Schwarzenegger era.

PS While the material was being written. I looked into the water. Our hero, driven by a maniacal desire to go to jail, on January 17 took a direct flight from the low-cost airline Pobeda to Moscow, where, under the flashes of cameras from supporters and the press, he appeared before the waiting FSIN officers at the Sheremetyevo airport. From where, accompanied by a police escort, he was escorted to the Khimki city court, which, quite expectedly, soldered him for the beginning of 30 days of detention. Putin justified the expectations of the Customers and planted the future Nobel Peace Prize laureate 2021. The next rallies of his supporters are scheduled for January 23. Everything goes according to plan. According to the plan of the Customer. I hope Putin has considered the options. Although, for me, it was better not to let in. We are watching the development of events.
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  1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 20 January 2021 09: 03
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    Russian citizen A.N. returned to his homeland after treatment abroad. So what?
    If the chief administrators were smarter, they would not attach any importance to this fact. An ordinary event, and nothing more.
    So no, they fanned the censer all over the world! All the media write, shout, trumpet, sing in every way: (They fanned the elephant out of a fly. And made the elephant persecuted, traumatized and generally very bad. And such + holy fools, clairvoyants, soothsayers in Russia are very fond of.
    Once again I was convinced: there are practically no bright minds among the "decision makers". Forty years ago, at the death of some objectionable thread, on the penultimate page of the newspaper, in the corner, in small print, they placed a tiny obituary ... and no one would notice, and it seems like they reported. It was a classic.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 10: 21
      +3
      A thief should sit in jail!
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 11: 12
        -4
        Are you talking about GDP? This is Navalny's slogan.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 12: 08
          +1
          Then, at your leisure, count the cons, I think the citizens of the Russian Federation do not agree with you.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 12: 11
            -2
            I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, and I agree.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 12: 14
              0
              you cons, consider, your consent or disagreement is of interest only to the prosecutor
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 12: 26
                -1
                If on this site they did not put a minus under my comment, then the comment is not very good.
                1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 12: 39
                  +3
                  It’s hard for you to live, probably, in a moral occupation, come to us in Ukraine, relax in your soul, here they love your brother.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 14: 45
                    -4
                    Oh, do not worry, in St. Petersburg there is no "moral occupation", in my circle of friends there are very few supporters of the current government and mostly elderly people. Here in Russia, not everyone rallied in one impulse around the figure of the great helmsman. The younger the population group in the Russian Federation, the less support for Putin among them. The elections of the mayor of Moscow in 2016 clearly demonstrated this.
                    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                      Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 15: 33
                      +1
                      I'm even afraid to ask how old you are personally, I suspect that you still go to school, or rather skip it. Until the age of 40, I would ban voting altogether, there is a lot of garbage in my head, it passes with age, but not for everyone
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 16: 43
                        -1
                        Do not be afraid, I'm 45. Thank God that you do not decide who can vote in Russia.
                      2. Valentine Offline Valentine
                        Valentine (Valentin) 20 January 2021 20: 36
                        -2
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Fear not, I'm 45.

                        So you are a Gorbachev-Yeltsin "infantryman"? Then everything is clear with you, and there are no more questions for you.
                      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 20: 52
                        +1
                        Well, why? Why are you talking nonsense? It insults your human dignity.
                      4. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 20 January 2021 21: 30
                        -2
                        Oleg Rambover, you are wrong, Valentine's words only hurt you.
                        You may think that the attempt to switch the arrows to another has failed. laughing
                      5. Valentine Offline Valentine
                        Valentine (Valentin) 21 January 2021 09: 11
                        -1
                        No need for hysterics, I just state the fact of the influence of the environment on the brains (I wanted to write on the minds, but I will refrain) of some individuals, and even at the genetic Gaidar-Chubais level.
                      6. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2021 10: 19
                        +1
                        You would be worried about your brain. My advice to you, the next time you are going to write such nonsense, stop, read it a couple of times. You, as a normal person, will understand that this is nonsense and will not humiliate your human dignity.
                      7. Valentine Offline Valentine
                        Valentine (Valentin) 21 January 2021 11: 29
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                        But many residents of our huge country do not consider it "such nonsense", they more than knew in their own skin in the "dashing 90s" humiliation of their human dignity, in all its forms, the "masters" I described above, whose ardent followers you became, and like you, for which they are despised by the people, which is perfectly visible in your dislikes.
                      8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 22 January 2021 01: 07
                        0
                        Many residents of our vast country consider me a Gorbachev-Yeltsin infantryman? This is nonsense. If you give yourself the trouble to think, you will understand this.
                        And the expression "genetic Gaidar-Chubais level" is nonsense, don't you understand this?

                        And for one thing, where did you get the idea that I am their ardent representative? Another nonsense. I do not build Yeltsin centers, the presidential administration does it. I do not call Sobchak my teacher and friend, unlike VVP. In my team (I don't even have a team) for twenty years Chubais, unlike Putin. And in general, we are now ruled by the Sobchak team from the 90s, so your moaning is not the right place. Correct address: Moscow, Kremlin, Putin.
                      9. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 22 January 2021 01: 49
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                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Many residents of our vast country consider me a Gorbachev-Yeltsin infantryman?

                        Many residents of our country do not know you at all, but megalomania has already overcome you. lol

                        Navalny will not come to power, power is already in the hands of the liberals. And the liberals at the helm will not share this power with the rogue liberals.

                        Liberal rogues are funded by the United States. The liberals in power, even earlier answered the Americans - we know where the decision-making centers are.

                        It is interesting to see how many suckers will catch up on January 23 to demand the change of some liberals to others.
                      10. Valentine Offline Valentine
                        Valentine (Valentin) 22 January 2021 07: 27
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                        Whatever it was, but you are a "product" of your era, and time, and you can no longer think differently, and I tell you this, I am a "scoop" to the bone, who lived under Stalin, and under Malenkov, Khrushchev , Brezhnev and the rest of the "Kremlin elders", and under Judas Gorbachev and Yeltsin, so during my long life I have seen a lot, and I have something to compare with, and your conscious life began at the turn of the reign of two scum who sold and drunk Russia together with its people, and you have already been brought up in the spirit of "European values", completely alien to our people, with an obvious rewiring of the brains of the youth of your generation, and a vivid example of this is Ukraine, whose youth have rewired their brains for 30 years so that they have become fierce enemies for Russia .... Now, after the electoral mess in the United States, the whole world is at a crossroads - the "hegemon" who ruled the world for almost a century has done it to its fullest, and Europe is already thinking about its own path, but already in alliance with Russia seeing her as a more reliable companion than "wandering the United States, and a rethinking of "who is who" in our world is already beginning, and which way to go further, so that the European dogmas hammered into your heads are already in the past, and are no longer worth anything.
                      11. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 January 2021 02: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Valentine
                        Whatever it was, but you are a "product" of your era, and time, and you can no longer think differently, and I tell you this, I am a "scoop" to the bone, who lived under Stalin, and under Malenkov, Khrushchev , Brezhnev and other "Kremlin elders", and under Judas Gorbachev and Yeltsin, so during my long life I have seen a lot, and I have something to compare with,

                        But you are also a "product" of your era, fortunately or sadly, an era that has ended. Your conscious life began during the reign of the executioner of the Soviet people, on whose conscience there are millions of lives and who laid many of those hidden time mines that led to the collapse of the USSR. It is a pity that the socialist experiment failed, but it gave a lot to the world.

                        Quote: Valentine
                        You have already been brought up in the spirit of "European values", completely alien to our people, with a clear rewiring of the brains of the youth of your generation,

                        I was a devout pioneer and believed in a bright communist future. The communists knew how to dirty their brains, we must give them their due, it's a pity they themselves did not believe in their ideals and only children did not feel this falsehood. Do you think communist-socialist values ​​are primordially Russian and were characteristic of our people? This movement is a product of European thinkers. Russia is a European country, for at least 300 years, and even before that it was not particularly Asian.

                        Quote: Valentine
                        and a vivid example of this is Ukraine, whose young people over the course of 30 years have their brains reflashed so that they, from our brotherly people, have become fierce enemies for Russia ...

                        Do not exaggerate and believe the propaganda from both sides. And the former communist V.V. Putin did the most to deteriorate these relations. No one can compare with his contribution.

                        Quote: Valentine
                        Now, after the electoral mess in the United States, the whole world is at a crossroads - the "hegemon" who ruled the world for almost a century, has done it to the fullest, and Europe is already thinking about its own path, but already in alliance with Russia, seeing in her a more reliable companion, than the "fermented" USA, and a rethinking of "who is who" in our world is already beginning, and which way to go further, so that the European dogmas hammered into your heads are already in the past, and are no longer worth anything.

                        I do not know what you mean by "got it done to the fullest." For example, the USSR at 91 did it in full, or Yanukovych in 2014 did it in full. On the contrary, the United States has shown the resilience of state institutions against the pressure of a dangerous populist. Now it is possible that there is some kind of crisis of the liberal idea, but it is not the first, and since there is no alternative to this idea, it will not be the last.
                        Europe is not faced with a choice between the Russian Federation and the United States. The Russian Federation and the United States are unequal units for Europeans, there is nothing to choose from. In addition, the main goal of US policy in Europe over the past 100 years is to prevent the union of Germany and Russia. They are great at it. And certainly the Europeans will not renounce "European" values ​​for the sake of an alliance with the Russian Federation, whatever you understand by these values.
                      12. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 03: 28
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                        Quote: isofat
                        ... which laid many of the hidden time mines that led to the collapse of the USSR.

                        Oleg Rambover...Come on?! Someone planted mines and destroyed the USSR. It is you liberals who destroyed the USSR. And now you are calling the youth to destroy Russia.

                        You personally brought the fake video about the palace on the site and published it. You, libeloids with this palace were already lit up earlier, ten years ago.

                        Fake-something made a tyap-blooper. It means you don't care that the deception will soon be revealed. You expect to do your thing in the near future.
                      13. Valentine Offline Valentine
                        Valentine (Valentin) 23 January 2021 07: 45
                        0
                        It makes no sense to explain something human to such apple-Chubais subspecies, for them, according to "European values", everything turns black, and not otherwise.
                    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
                      Valentine (Valentin) 23 January 2021 10: 13
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                      Fiiiii, how everything is running out of you, Yavlinsky theses and Gozman's calculations are sprinkling out of you, and this already causes rejection and nausea.
                    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 January 2021 16: 13
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                      Are you listening to Gozman with Yavlinsky? Me not. Usually when an opponent falls into rudeness, this means that he is not able to defend his position, usually there is not enough knowledge. For example your dear friend isofat of these
                      By the way, do you understand that the "scoop" goes into oblivion? Old "scoops" go away, but new ones are not born.
                    4. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 16: 29
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                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      By the way, do you understand that the "scoop" goes into oblivion?

                      Oleg Rambover, do you understand that you are passing off your desires as reality? Do not understand?

                      I’ll explain to you - we are not going to forget the history of Russia. The USSR does not go into oblivion. yes
                    5. Valentine Offline Valentine
                      Valentine (Valentin) 23 January 2021 19: 43
                      +1
                      Oh no, dear, "scoop", as you liberals now call it, is the future of Russia, only in its best interpretation. The world has already gone through all the stages, from the primitive communal system to the wildest capitalist, and only socialism will bring its positive fruits in world politics, and most importantly, the world on our green planet.

                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      Your dear friend isofat of those.

                      And you know, I understand him perfectly, but your maxims are completely incomprehensible and alien to me, like the la-la of your Yavlinsky, Chubais, Navalny and other "swamp" liberals.
                    6. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 00: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: Valentine
                      Oh no, dear, "scoop", as you, the liberals, call it now, is the future of Russia, only in its best interpretation.

                      First, you called yourself a "scoop" to the core.
                      Second, what signs of the onset of a bright "soviet" future do you see? The clown Zyuganov, with his pocket-sized party, does not attract the leader of the new world. And those in power in the Russian Federation are just supporters of "wild" capitalism.
                      Do you want me to find statistics on how the number of democracies and non-democracies in the world has changed over the past 50 years?

                      Quote: Valentine
                      The world has already gone through all the stages, from the primitive communal system to the wildest capitalist, and only socialism will bring its positive results in world politics, and most importantly, peace on our green planet.

                      I agree that the "Western" world has gone through all these stages, including "wild" capitalism, now there is a kind of "social" capitalism. Unfortunately, Russia (as well as China) is now at the stage of wild capitalism.
                      And he knows that more people were killed under the red communist flags than under any other. On average, democracies are much less likely to fight, especially among themselves.

                      Quote: Valentine
                      And you know, I understand him perfectly, but your maxims are completely incomprehensible and alien to me, like the la-la of your Yavlinsky, Chubais, Navalny and other "swamp" liberals.

                      Do you understand why the respected isofat is stupidly rude, but is not able to defend his position reasonably? Good for you, I personally do not understand this.
                      Whatever you bother in the future, from public people I listen only to Ekaterina Shulman.
                    7. Valentine Offline Valentine
                      Valentine (Valentin) 24 January 2021 05: 33
                      -1
                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      from public people I listen only to Ekaterina Shulman.

                      So this lady is from the same "collective farm" as Yavlinsky and Chubais, and her cooperation with Venediktov says a lot.
                    8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 11: 15
                      +1
                      No, she's a scientist. What does she speak about on radio "Echo of Moscow"? There are many who performed there. Any other questions? You brought up an interesting topic about the future of Russia, but slipped into an uninteresting discussion of individuals.
                    9. Valentine Offline Valentine
                      Valentine (Valentin) 24 January 2021 12: 08
                      -1
                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      There are many who performed there.

                      And mostly those who fiercely hate Russia.

                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      You brought up an interesting topic about the future of Russia, but slipped into an uninteresting discussion of individuals.

                      But these are not only "personalities", but your leaders whom you worship.
                    10. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 16: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Valentine
                      And mostly those who fiercely hate Russia

                      Basically, those who believe that the Russian Federation is on the wrong path. About hate are your fantasies.

                      Quote: Valentine
                      But these are not only "personalities", but your leaders whom you worship.

                      I have no leaders. It is the communists and fascists who cannot live without leaders. If a leader appeared in the liberal movement, this movement ceased to be liberal.
                      So after all, what signs of the "scoop" objection do you observe?
                      PS If you do not like the name "scoop" how to correctly name the adherents of your views?
                    11. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 24 January 2021 16: 49
                      -1
                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      If you do not like the name "scoop" how to correctly name the followers of your views?

                      Quote: Vladimir Gumennikov
                      I will tell you this. If the USSR is a scoop, then you are dust from under this scoop, dirt and debris. Because somehow everyone hatched from there. If you do not have respect and pride for your past, no matter how contradictory it may be, you do not have and cannot have any future. Like that very dust. The dust will settle and will remain so until the end of time.

                      Oleg Rambover, the author called you dirt and debris from under the scoop, I agree with him.
                    12. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                      Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 January 2021 01: 24
                      -2
                      I read this polemic with interest.
                      Oleg Rambover, on the one hand, I support you in the discussion with the stoneheads, but, on the other hand, I do not understand why you enter into a dialogue with them. These are people who have lost the past, which they considered wonderful, and completely without a future. There is no future for them and there is no place for them.
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  • shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 21 January 2021 01: 30
    +2
    Dreamer! Oh, dreamer!
    ps: This is not to be banned, replaced words from Russian folk.
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  • cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 20 January 2021 22: 48
    0
    I agree (if you're talking about the hero of Navalny's film)!
  • Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 20 January 2021 20: 32
    -1
    I agree with you, this could have been postponed, but they themselves were "shot in the foot", and the stench is greater than with the elections in America.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 January 2021 09: 46
    -3
    Yes, the media is promoting it in black. Every day 1-2 articles.
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 11: 17
    -6
    Therefore, a pawn, and Leshenka Navalny in this game is just a pawn, I hope no one will argue with this here, they move from the e2 square to the e4 square.

    I would argue. No matter how you relate to the Initial, but firstly, in the Russian Federation, by and large, there are two politicians, Navalny and Putin, and for a politician, life in exile is political death. And secondly, returning to Russia is a brave act worthy of respect.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 12: 07
      +3
      Navalny is a politician only in your sick imagination. Even his curators, no matter how puffed up, could not make politics out of him. Not inflated!
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 12: 21
        -3
        A politician is a person who fights for power. Navalny is fighting for power; accordingly, he is a politician. That Navalny agent mi6, the CIA or the massada with the State Department is your unhealthy and unfounded fantasy. Who is puffing up a controversial issue here, at least I do not give out multi-page hard-to-read texts.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 12: 40
          +2
          why are you reading them then? the mice cried, injected, but continued to eat the cactus
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 15: 48
            -3
            I tried but failed. No offense, but analytical articles do not work out for you. Prose, humorous, perhaps, but the analysis is not yours. A set of flares, nothing unsubstantiated speculation and assumptions.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 20 January 2021 16: 26
              0
              Oleg Rambover, and you try more. Didn't it work once? Nothing, it will work next time! Don't give up, don't give up.

              We will help you. After all, I helped you, at one time, and you now know that the statehood of Russia has been counted for more than a thousand years.

              So, little by little, we will raise your level. Moscow was not built immediately. smile

              PS No offense. love
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 16: 41
                -1
                Well, you, such a depth of analytics, which dear Vladimir offers, I will never master, can only in extreme old age.

                Quote: isofat
                And we will help you. After all, I helped you, at one time, and you now know that the statehood of Russia has been counted for more than a thousand years.

                But I paid you completely and helped you, and you now know that the founder of the Russian state is Ivan III Rurikovich.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 20 January 2021 17: 29
                  -1
                  Oleg Rambover, you just demonstrated inconsistency in the knowledge of our history.

                  The countdown of our statehood is not based on the events you proposed, but completely from others.

                  Can you refute me, please. Last time you were unable to demonstrate anything.

                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2021 19: 08
                    -1
                    Do you study history from the news? This is a new, innovative method.
                    Better look at modern palaces and kings.

                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 20 January 2021 19: 41
                      -1
                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      Do you study history from the news?

                      Apparently for objective reasons, you cannot understand why I posted the video. I just demonstrated that in Russia they know and celebrate the date of their statehood. Everyone knows, but you don't.

                      Your video is not interesting to me at all, the level of development of your "community" does not cause serious concerns.

                      Navalny has been fighting for our rights for many years, it's our turn ...

                      What's more stupid than you can think of? You never know with what, and with whom this quibble will decide to fight.

                      If your intelligence tells you you were in line ... please. Only I get the impression that you are looking for fools.
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2021 01: 01
                        0
                        Quote: isofat
                        What's more stupid than you can think of? You never know with what, and with whom this quibble will decide to fight.

                        I agree, too pretentious. But I'm talking about the dacha. Are you glad for the leader of our country?
                2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                  Ulysses (Alexey) 20 January 2021 21: 56
                  +1
                  I paid you completely and helped you and you now know that the founder Russian state Ivan III Rurikovich.

                  Sorry, but this is fierce crap !!
                  The collector of Russian lands Ivan III Rurikovich was, the founder of the Russian state was also.

                  And the Russian state (more precisely the Russian Empire) was formed much later.
                  Under Peter I the Great. request
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 20 January 2021 17: 38
            -1
            Volkonsky, this comrade, having no evidence on hand, is trying to apply hypnosis techniques.
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            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Wolf) 27 January 2021 02: 12
              +2
              You don’t need to tell me what to do, then I won’t tell you where to go! Although you are already there!
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 20 January 2021 12: 40
      +1
      He was simply thrown out of Germany. No violinist needed.
    3. Dear sofa expert. 20 January 2021 22: 31
      +2
      and for a politician, life in exile is a political death.

      Someone offered him political asylum? Don't make the audience laugh. They just used it and threw it away, it's obvious.

      secondly, returning to Russia is a brave act worthy of respect.

      Did he have a choice?)
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2021 00: 59
        -1
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        Someone offered him political asylum? Don't make the audience laugh. They just used it and threw it away, it's obvious.

        Did he ask? That it was thrown out is obvious only to you. There are no facts confirming this your statement.

        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        Did he have a choice?)

        There is always a choice.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 21 January 2021 01: 12
          +2
          Did he ask?

          Quite possible. Himself, or for him. As well as the "body" was taken out.

          There are no facts confirming this your statement.

          They didn't leave him there - that's a fact. And why would he be needed there. He doesn’t know how to do anything except shit. He already tried to shit there (Schroeder criticized). Apparently the Germans did not like this, so they sent the idiot home.

          There is always a choice.

          Come on.) And what choice did you think he had?
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2021 01: 50
            -2
            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            Quite possible. Himself, or for him. As well as the "body" was taken out.

            These are your nothing, not grounded fantasies.

            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            They didn't leave him there - that's a fact. And why would he be needed there. He doesn’t know how to do anything except shit. He already tried to shit there (Schroeder criticized). Apparently the Germans did not like this, so they sent the idiot home.

            This is again your nothing unfounded fantasies. If Navalny wants to remain a Russian politician, he has nothing to do in Germany.

            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            Come on.) And what choice did you think he had?

            Well, how's it going. He could or may not have gone to Russia.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 21 January 2021 01: 59
              +2
              If Navalny wants to remain a Russian politician,

              Yes, he was not any politician, he is not one today, and he certainly will not be. But the "walk" he will now obviously begin.

              Well, how's it going. He could or may not have gone to Russia.

              Does he have other citizenships?
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 22 January 2021 01: 23
                -1
                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                Yes, he was not any politician, he is not one today, and he certainly will not be. But the "walk" he will now obviously begin.

                I would like to remind you that Navalny took part in the mayoral elections in Moscow and gained 27% percent, and only superhuman efforts helped Mayor Sobinin avoid a second round. Navalny is a politician because he is fighting for power. By and large, there are two politicians in the Russian Federation, one of them is Navalny.

                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                Does he have other citizenships?

                Does Khodorkovsky have a second citizenship? Or Putin's daughter, so that she would live for so many years with her Dutch friend.
                https://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-fallout-vladimir-putins-daughter-forced-to-leave-home-in-netherlands-20140726-zx3op.html#ixzz38bNC9S1k
                1. Dear sofa expert. 22 January 2021 09: 04
                  +1
                  Does Khodorkovsky have a second citizenship?

                  No idea, most likely there is. In any case, they have already written about his Swiss residence permit:

                  https://tass.ru/obschestvo/1084652

                  What does Khodorkovsky have to do with it?

                  I would like to remind you that Navalny took part in the mayoral elections in Moscow and got 27% percent and only inhuman
                  efforts....

                  Yes, yes .. this is a bike for grandchildren from the series: The owner of the gold NEDALY.))
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 22 January 2021 19: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    What does Khodorkovsky have to do with it?

                    Khodorkovsky has long lived without citizenship in another country. Like Putin's daughter, she lived for a long time in Holland without citizenship. Navalny could have received political asylum, but did not want to.

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Yes, yes .. this is a bike for grandchildren from the series: The owner of the gold NEDALY.))

                    A non-politician could not get a third of the votes in the elections.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 22 January 2021 21: 00
                      +2
                      Khodorkovsky has long lived without citizenship in another country.

                      As I said, since 2012 residence permit in Switzerland. This is just what I know ..

                      Like Putin's daughter, she lived for a long time in Holland without citizenship.

                      Are you sure this is true and not fake?)

                      Navalny could have received political asylum, but did not want to.

                      Is not a fact. Why on earth? Today he is an ordinary criminal (fraud, etc.), not a political dissident. Nobody tried to poison him, a fiction from beginning to end, and any sane person understands this, otherwise it would not be logical to return at will to where they wanted to kill him. He simply had no other choice but to return to Russia.

                      A non-politician could not get a third of the votes in the elections.

                      Could.)
                      Actually, what happened in 2013?
                      In general, a little-known but quite active candidate, a populist, with a "not particularly huge" rating, was able to quickly increase popularity during the campaign on topics "close to the people", a'la - a visa regime for "all black-haired". You know, rally rhetoric is good during street protests, but when it comes to serious political scenarios, something more is needed than just exploitation of mass sentiments.
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 January 2021 01: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        As I said, since 2012 residence permit in Switzerland. This is just what I know ..

                        In 2012 he was in prison. He received a residence permit already in immigration. Why do you think that Navalny could not have gone the same way?

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Are you sure this is true and not fake?

                        Judging by her husband's surname and pictures from Holland, this is not a fake.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Is not a fact. Why on earth? Today he is an ordinary criminal (fraud, etc.), not a political dissident.

                        This is for you. The German authorities disagree with you.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Could.)
                        Actually, what happened in 2013?

                        And the truth is they say that Navalny is very similar to Putin. There was also a fraud investigation against Putin. Google "raw materials for food".
                        If a person gets a third of the votes, he is already a politician, regardless of his background.
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2021 01: 53
                        0
                        In 2012 he was in prison. He received a residence permit already in immigration.

                        In 2014m. A clue.

                        Why do you think that Navalny could not have gone the same way?

                        I repeat: Today he is an ordinary criminal (fraud, etc.), not a political dissident.

                        The German authorities disagree with you.

                        Why on earth? Has anyone subjected Navalny to persecution, persecution and repression for his political convictions by the official authorities? No. He was prosecuted purely for criminal offenses. Navalny is a criminal. The rest is emotions, speculation.

                        If a person gets a third of the votes, he is already a politician, regardless of his background.

                        Well yes. It's like second place in a boxing match. )
                      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 January 2021 00: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        I repeat: Today he is an ordinary criminal (fraud, etc.), not a political dissident.

                        Again, this opinion of yours does not coincide with the opinion of the leadership of the EU countries.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Why on earth? Has anyone subjected Navalny to persecution, persecution and repression for his political convictions by the official authorities? No. He was prosecuted purely for criminal offenses. Navalny is a criminal. The rest is emotions, speculation.

                        I can claim that the opinion of the EU authorities coincides with the opinion of the ECHR.
                        According to his decision, the Kirovles case

                        The ECtHR found that Navalny and Ofitserov were tried for acts that cannot be distinguished from ordinary business activities

                        And awarded the Russian Federation to pay Navalny 56 thousand euros. And the most interesting thing was paid by the Russian Federation.
                        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/23/02/2016/56cc26e89a7947970616186c
                        In the judgment of the ECHR in the Yves Rocher case, the court agreed with the arguments of the Navalny brothers that they were punished for actions that did not violate the laws of the Russian Federation. Awarded to pay the plaintiffs 80 thousand euros. And again the Russian Federation paid.
                        And recognized the decision to arrest Navalny politically motivated
                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3938425
                        Specifically, the Russian Federation is charged with a violation of Article 18 of the Convention on Human Rights, which speaks of persecution for political reasons.
                        So from the point of view of Europeans, Navalny is not a criminal, but an oppositionist persecuted for his political views.
                        Well, he was recognized as a political prisoner by Amnesty International
                        https://www.fontanka.ru/2021/01/17/69704086/
                        I understand that this is all. a Masonic conspiracy to defame the good name of the Russian Federation and President Putin personally, but these are the facts, the rest is emotions, speculation.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Well yes. It's like second place in a boxing match

                        Rather, the second place in the boxing championship.
                      4. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 25 January 2021 17: 03
                        -1
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        So from the point of view of Europeans, Navalny is not a criminal, but an oppositionist persecuted for his political views.

                        The chase is over, the thief must be in jail! crying
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 21 January 2021 02: 09
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    There are no facts confirming this your statement.

    Oleg Rambover... This is because you do not understand what fact is.

    Navalny returned to Russia, where he was put on the wanted list - this is a fact. And this one fact indirectly confirmsthat he has nowhere to go. It is clear that one fact is not enough, but you can put aside something in the collection of facts.

    You liberals are not friends with logic. Try to avoid in your statements such words as - everything, nothing ... It is enough to give just one example and it becomes clear that no, not everything. smile
  • shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 21 January 2021 07: 36
    +2
    Navalny, a politician !? Oh how! Lyoshenka is an ordinary swindler. Not even particularly prominent against the general background. This is a classic of the genre since the days of the Russian Empire. Steal, declare himself a victim of political persecution. And Oval, as a carbon copy, reproduces Ostap Bender. But Ostap honestly recognized himself as an offerist. Now Leshenka is "sincerely" surprised that the police took on him. Bender, unlike him, did not try to blackmail the "big people" knowing full well that they would turn their heads off at once. All of his "revelations" have one goal, extortion. And as it did not work, here we are an opposition politician. The CIA got pretty fucked up with him. It has no real weight even among oppos. Soon everyone will disown him. He is not particularly interesting to anyone now. Well, except for the curators from the west.
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  • eco3 Offline eco3
    eco3 (erwin vercauteren) 22 January 2021 07: 27
    -1
    ha ha, respect? he had no choice, he should return because in the west he has no leverage alive and in the end he will be sacrificed by his masters and despair forced him to return to Russia because his party and he himself are going to the bottom more people than previously believed his traitor and should be hanged like the good old days without mercy for rats and traitors
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 22 January 2021 19: 31
      +1
      In my opinion, your reasoning is naive.
  • aries2200 Offline aries2200
    aries2200 (aries) 20 January 2021 11: 52
    +1
    Well, Vladimir, the article was written with a sense of humor, as Ilf and Petrov wrote about Ostap Bender ... good luck in your work fellow
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 20 January 2021 12: 12
      -1
      no, this serious one came out, the next one will be more fun (it will come out one of these days, turn yourself off!)
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 20 January 2021 14: 12
    -2
    Quote: Volkonsky
    then, at your leisure, count the cons, it seems to me that the citizens of the Russian Federation disagree with you

    Not an argument!
    Either the citizens of the Russian Federation do not consider VVP a thief, or they believe, but do not believe, that he should be in prison.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 20 January 2021 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: Volkonsky
    Navalny is a politician only in your sick imagination. Even his curators, no matter how puffed up, could not make politics out of him. Not inflated!

    Why criticize Clinton and Pylosi at the same time and use similar methods?
    The rogue information coming from Navalny has a high degree of reliability.
    Show what you need to judge for. Personally, I don't see. Many (and you too) don't see the difference between judging and condemning.
    PS All three questions are akin to evaluating a Beatles song by the way Vasya's neighbor sang it.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 20 January 2021 22: 39
      +3
      The rogue information coming from Navalny has a high degree of reliability.
      Show what you need to judge for. Personally, I don't see.

      For some reason, you easily found an excuse for what to judge Asange, but here you show amazing myopia. But the revelatory information of the journalist Asange had an equally high degree of reliability.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 20 January 2021 22: 53
      +2
      Why criticize Clinton and Pylosi at the same time and use similar methods?
      The rogue information coming from Navalny has a high degree of reliability.
      Show what you need to judge for. Personally, I don't see. Many (and you too) don't see the difference between judging and condemning.
      PS All three questions are akin to evaluating a Beatles song by the way Vasya's neighbor sang it.

      - the methods of propaganda and counter-propaganda are known; only the naive can refuse them.

      - The high degree of reliability of Mr. Navalny's information is explained by the high degree of his cooperation with the secret services unfriendly to us.
      At the same time, his admirers may believe that Navalny has some kind of powerful information and analytical center for collecting and processing information, but there is none in nature, and without him he is just a talking head, voicing other people's plums.

      - for repeated violation of the regime for "conditionally convicted", there are no questions here.

      PS My neighbor Max has no idea who they are The Beatles.
      Thinks that this is Buzova's singing. lol
  • Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 20 January 2021 20: 25
    0
    Is it worth this un-poisoned infirmity that we tore each other's hair here, because the Yankees are trying to slip their next Guaido-Tikhanovs to us, even though they are changing presidents, and the US special services continue to pursue their policy of destroying Russia ... We need to understand for a long time that they will break us through the American knee and with the huge help of such bulk, Khodorkovsky and other gozmans, so it will not be superfluous to recall the experience of 1937 and fill the remaining lag zones of Norilsk and Kolyma with them. ...
    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 20 January 2021 21: 34
      -1
      so it will not be superfluous to recall the experience of 1937, and fill with them the still preserved camp zones of Norilsk and Kolyma.

      After 1917, they began to kill class enemies, then they "ended"; after that, the "internal" enemies began, who were also drenched dashingly and with a whistle (1937-1938); after 1953, the leaders and former people's commissars began to gnaw each other (one and his henchmen got holes in their heads, others were sent to run the power plant, and still others were simply retired). When the struggle for the straightness and steadfastness of the "party line" ended, a couple of screamers were only put in psychiatric hospitals so that the water would not be muddied, but on the whole the "class struggle" ended, and after 1985 the fear vanished.
      And it all ended in 1991 with a huge copper basin.
      Conclusion: remembering the experience of 1937 will lead to a repetition of 1991, after which everything will return "to square one."
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 20 January 2021 22: 50
    +1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    ... The rogue information coming from Navalny has a high degree of reliability.
    Show what you need to judge for. Personally, I don't see.


    For some reason, you easily found an excuse for what to judge Asange, but here you show amazing myopia. But the revelatory information of the journalist Asange had an equally high degree of reliability.

    I don't see the connection. Did Navalny reveal state secrets to the enemy? Gave out state secrets? He is just being tried for his reliability, and Asanzha is being tried for violations of the law on state secrets.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 21 January 2021 01: 30
      +3
      I do not see the connection.

      This is for the optometrist.)

      Did Navalny reveal state secrets to the enemy?

      Of course not. How does he know the state secrets? He can only slander. It is engaged, through such "filmmakers", spreading lies that discredit the first person of the state, which, by the way, is also the commander-in-chief of the Russian army. In the conditions of war, and this is how today's political confrontation between the West and Russia can be called, Navalny easily falls under the article "treason to the Motherland."
      A firing article, by the way.
      And Assange ... violated the laws on state secrets, you say?
      And the laws of which country was violated by this Australian journalist, can you tell me?
  • shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 21 January 2021 01: 45
    +2
    How much noise from scratch! Support level 3%, statistical error. All. Don't give a damn and forget. The surest and most proven way to deal with such, complete ignorance. This is the worst thing for them. It's time to use the Yankee experience. Ban on all Internet sites.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 January 2021 09: 58
    +1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    I do not see the connection.

    This is for the optometrist.)

    Did Navalny reveal state secrets to the enemy?

    Of course not. How does he know the state secrets? He can only slander. It is engaged, through such "filmmakers", spreading lies that discredit the first person of the state, which, by the way, is also the commander-in-chief of the Russian army. In the conditions of war, and this is how today's political confrontation between the West and Russia can be called, Navalny easily falls under the article "treason to the Motherland."
    A firing article, by the way.
    And Assange ... violated the laws on state secrets, you say?
    And the laws of which country was violated by this Australian journalist, can you tell me?

    Several countries issued warrants for his detention. Does it bother you that he is being persecuted on a third-country warrant? So this is standard practice in the presence of an extradition treaty.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 21 January 2021 13: 09
      +2
      Are you embarrassed that he is being pursued on a third-country warrant?

      Confused. A person is not obliged to comply with the laws of a foreign country, not being its citizen, and at the same time, being outside its legal boundaries.

      For those violations of the law, which he violated within the jurisdiction of his country (Australia), he has already suffered, in full measure, provided by this country, punishment.

      As a teenager, Assange under the nickname "Mendax" infiltrated a number of secure systems, including Pentagon and NASA, after which he was indicted by the Australian authorities with a small fine.

      Wikipedia

      So that.

      And by the way ... it is the responsibility of Pentagon and NASA, first of all, to reliably protect their secret systems. They are responsible for the leakage of classified data, the storage of which is entrusted to them by their state.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 January 2021 13: 34
    +1
    Confused. A person is not obliged to comply with the laws of a foreign country, not being its citizen, and at the same time, being outside its legal boundaries.

    False statement. According to your logic, if I steal money from a Russian bank through a network (or, for example, with salt confidential information about bank clients), then I am not subject to jurisdiction in Russia ... Russia does not have the right to issue a warrant for my arrest? Request Israel to extradite or prosecute?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 21 January 2021 14: 07
      +3
      then I am not a judge in Russia ... Russia does not have the right to issue a warrant for my arrest?

      Judged. But, first of all, not in Russia, but in the state of which you are a citizen. And they must be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but of this particular state. The state has the right to judge by its laws a foreigner who has violated the law on the territory of this state.
      There is also a practice of extradition. But there are also strict rules.
      Russia, of course, can make a request for the extradition of a criminal if there is a bilateral agreement on mutual legal assistance in criminal cases, but even in this case, the rule of "double criminality" must be observed, that is, the crime for which extradition is requested must be recognized as such in legislation of both the requesting and the requested party. Accordingly, the degree of punishment for these two countries should be commensurate.
      The extradition of the offender ceases to be an obligation, even in the case of such an agreement, if the degree of punishment is not commensurate.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 21 January 2021 14: 22
      +3
      Well, to all, you can add. There are a number of countries (if not most of them ..) in which the law does not allow the extradition of their citizens. This principle is enshrined in the constitutions of many states, including the Constitution of Russia.

      Article 61 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states that "a citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be expelled from the Russian Federation or extradited to another state."

      ... China, Japan, France, Belarus, Ukraine and some other countries do not expel their citizens. In addition, under Japanese law, not only Japanese citizens, but also citizens of other states who are ethnic Japanese are not actually subject to extradition, since they have the right to Japanese citizenship (this is how the Peruvian authorities were denied the extradition of Alberto Fujimori).

      Wiki
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 January 2021 14: 44
    +1
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Judged. But, first of all, not in Russia, but in the state of which you are a citizen. And they must be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but of this particular state. The state has the right to judge by its laws a foreigner who has violated the law on the territory of this state.

    You contradict yourself.
    1. Nobody gave Asange to the states! BUT! The states had the right to issue an arrest warrant, an extradition request.
    2. We are talking about countries that have an agreement on cooperation in this area and the possibility of extradition.
    Against this background, your claims to the situation are not at all clear, there is not even a conflict there
    In general, the comparison between Asange and Navalny is extremely tense, if not inappropriate.
    PS If Navalny violated the law in the field of information dissemination - prosecute! What is the problem? Is the information false? - To court! But something tells me that the Russian authorities are not very keen to find out the reliability of information in court.
  • Dear sofa expert. 21 January 2021 15: 42
    +2
    1. Nobody gave Asange to the states! BUT! The states had the right to issue an arrest warrant, an extradition request.

    Not given. And they did the right thing.

    We are talking about countries that have an agreement on cooperation in this area and the possibility of extradition.

    There was no “possibility of extradition” there, as it would be contrary to the “double criminality” rule.

    Against this background, your claims to the situation are not at all clear, there is not even a conflict there
    In general, the comparison between Asange and Navalny is extremely tense, if not inappropriate.

    Why is it inappropriate?
    You once accused Asange (equating him for some reason with Snowyden) of treason. Well Snowden, yes. He served the state, gave him an oath, he divulged the secrets of his country - one might say, betrayed. But excuse me, whom did Asange betray by revealing other people's secrets? But back to the thought: you accused Asange of treason.

    I, reasonably pointed out to you Navalny, who falls under the concept of "treason".

    And you still don't grasp the connection between betrayal and. "Treason to the Motherland"?

    something tells me that the Russian authorities are not very keen to find out the reliability of information in court.

    Hailey likely, probably?)
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 22 January 2021 09: 22
      +1
      Treason to your homeland? Is this a joke? Do you still have the dictatorship of the proletariat?
      Navalny, who is not interesting to anyone, already has 53 million views on YouTube, and it looks like it's time to ask not the three proposed questions, but one - IS THIS true?
      1. Dear sofa expert. 22 January 2021 09: 43
        +1
        Treason to your homeland? Is this a joke? Do you still have the dictatorship of the proletariat?

        Well, what have the jokes got to do with it ... this is not my personal idea (for me personally, it is generally "exactly"), the central Russian media write about this directly. That there are great suspicions of Navalny's work for the Western special services. I just gave you a comparative example.

        Navalny, who is not interesting to anyone, already has 53 million views on YouTube, and it looks like it's time to ask not the three proposed questions, but one - IS THIS true?

        How do I know?) Well, the guy overtook some “lady-gaga” or “bazooka hands” by “viewing”, so what?
        We are not children to discuss people's curiosity here
        1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
          Alexzn (Alexander) 22 January 2021 12: 04
          +1
          There is a difference between "I believe" and a legal assessment.
          If Navalny is slandering, it is necessary to prove it and prosecute in court.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 22 January 2021 12: 31
            +1
            There is a difference between "I believe" and a legal assessment.

            I guess I do not know,
            if it is considered by a legal entity (state media) - this is a legal assessment.

            Definition of legal assessment:

            Legal assessment expresses a holistic structural formation, characterized by the unity of four elements: the subject; object; grounds and nature.

            What element, in your opinion, is lacking in Mr. Navalny's "legal assessment"?

            If Navalny is slandering, it is necessary to prove it and prosecute in court.

            Yes, this is the case of the prosecutor's office, if guilty, they will prove and punish.

            PS I'm glad for you that you have finally started answering directly using the "reply" function.
            1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
              Alexzn (Alexander) 22 January 2021 15: 03
              -1
              Legal assessment is a professional assessment of lawyers (in the broadest sense) based on the norms of current legislation, the final assessment is given by the court, the assessment of the media and even representatives of the authorities (not judicial) is not such.
              For accusations and evidence in modern Russia, there is the RF IC.
              1. Dear sofa expert. 22 January 2021 16: 01
                +1
                For accusations and evidence in modern Russia, there is the RF IC.

                I agree.
                Interestingly, when Navalny publicly and unfoundedly accused the first person of the state of a serious crime, did he use the services of the RF IC?
                1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                  Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 January 2021 01: 39
                  -3
                  Does the RF Investigative Committee listen to the opinion of those who are not in power? And why did you decide that he accuses unfoundedly? Putin and his brothers are in no hurry to prosecute Navalny for libel. Do you know why? Because he still has a lot of trump cards in his sleeves and he is not laying them out yet.
                  The authorities will not be able to plant him. She will not succeed. And all these attempts with an exit court, with the involvement of the Federal Penitentiary Service, are very similar to the authorities' diarrhea.
                  1. Dear sofa expert. 27 January 2021 01: 51
                    0
                    And why did you decide that he is blaming unfounded?

                    You better watch this video. There is an answer to your question. This video is about who, where, when and how the deceitful "video of Navalny" was created.

                    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C3FUG4VyCRU

                    When you look, we will return to discussing your questions.

                    PS The person for whom you are here so awkwardly trying to answer, hardly needs your help.
                    1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                      Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 January 2021 01: 56
                      -3
                      PS The person for whom you are here so awkwardly trying to answer, hardly needs your help.

                      What is clumsiness, sir? Because you didn't like my comment? I am always responsible only for myself and I am definitely not going to help someone in strengthening his opinion.
                      And I don't want to discuss any issues with you. This is not the case.
                      I asked them, and you can ... attack us from the highest bell tower.
                      1. Dear sofa expert. 27 January 2021 02: 02
                        +1
                        And I don't want to discuss any issues with you.

                        I heard you. That is, I watched "your" bullshit (Navalny's video). You were offered to look at something else, you refused.
                        So we really have nothing to discuss this time.
                        But my offer is valid. Look, then I will listen carefully to your opinion. This will already be our conversation. Is everything fair, I think?
                        But no, so no.
                      2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                        Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 January 2021 02: 13
                        -3
                        Quote: Dear couch expert.
                        And I don't want to discuss any issues with you.

                        I heard you. That is, I watched "your" bullshit (Navalny's video). You were offered to look at something else, you refused.
                        So we really have nothing to discuss this time.
                        But my offer is valid. Look, then I will listen carefully to your opinion. This will already be our conversation. Is everything fair, I think?
                        But no, so no.

                        Honestly, I tried to look, I was a little patient with Sosnovsky, but when Karnaukhov began to speak, justifying the policeman who kicked the woman in the stomach, I got bored. Then I turned my attention to the brand and saw Solovyov Live. And I felt ashamed that I was watching such things.
                      3. Dear sofa expert. 27 January 2021 08: 48
                        +1
                        Honestly, I tried to see, Sosnovsky suffered a little,

                        Try not to be sidetracked. Concentrate on the essentials.
                        Understand the essence of Sosnovsky's investigation. It puts a bold cross on Navalny's "clip".
                        Do you have specific objections to the objectivity of the investigation conducted by Sosnovsky?

                        PS The woman hit by the police is a direct consequence of the fake materials of the criminal Navalny, his associates (accomplices), and customers (Western special services), provoking and calling on the population of Russia to (unauthorized) protests.
                        Navalny and his accomplices deliberately use women and children as human shields. It is a crime.

                        The offender must be in prison.
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 27 January 2021 01: 56
                +1
                Quote: Peter Rybak
                ... are in no hurry to prosecute Navalny for libel. Do you know why? Because he still has many trump cards in his sleeves ...

                Peter rybak... The one who holds the cards up his sleeve is called a SHULER. lol
                1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                  Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 January 2021 02: 06
                  -3
                  Quote: isofat
                  Quote: Peter Rybak
                  ... are in no hurry to prosecute Navalny for libel. Do you know why? Because he still has many trump cards in his sleeves ...

                  Peter rybak... The one who holds the cards up his sleeve is called a SHULER. lol

                  If this is how you perceived this comparison, then I apologize to Mr. Navalny. I do not consider him a cheat. I'm not sure that he will be able to come to power in the country. But I am in favor of him helping to renew this government.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 27 January 2021 02: 12
                    +2
                    Peter rybak, when you write, think that you are writing! Someone will have to read your nonsense. hi
                  2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                    Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 January 2021 02: 16
                    -3
                    Quote: isofat
                    Peter rybak, when you write, think that you are writing! Someone will have to read your nonsense. hi

                    Let's do this. I will correct your grammatical and stylistic mistakes to make the text easier to read. It should look like this:

                    Peter Rybak, When you write, think about what you are writing! Someone will have to read your nonsense.
                  3. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 27 January 2021 02: 26
                    +1
                    Peter rybakwhen you write, think about what you are writing! Someone will have to read your nonsense.

                    PS I have corrected your edition. Slightly. I hope you will use my advice. hi
                  4. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                    Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 January 2021 02: 35
                    -4
                    Quote: isofat
                    Peter rybakwhen you write, think about what you are writing! Someone will have to read your nonsense.

                    PS I have corrected your edition. Slightly. I hope you will use my advice. hi

                    laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                    I saw no change. If, of course, we mean the spelling "you" with a small letter. But this simply speaks about the level of upbringing and education of the opponent. However, in your case, I am inclined to believe that this is still a typo. And, please, we will not continue these senseless bickering. You and I do not have any common topics for discussion, and, I hope, will not be in the future. Amen!
                  5. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 27 January 2021 02: 56
                    +2
                    Peter rybak, I also hope that you stop writing nonsense! And I will read your interesting comments. hi
                  6. Dear sofa expert. 27 January 2021 09: 08
                    +3
                    I saw no change. Unless, of course, we mean the spelling "you" with a small letter. But this simply speaks about the level of education and education of the opponent.

                    Who would talk about good manners here?

                    And by the way:

                    The norm “you / you” when addressing one person in business communication is variable, if the degree of officiality of the relationship between the interlocutors allows it (“you” is a distance, a stranger, and “you” is yours.) This explains the frequent proposal to switch to “ you "after a successful acquaintance.
                    The choice of the distance you / you / you - belongs to everyone individually.

                    It is also not very correct to point out grammatical errors in dialogs.
                    Language is for everything a means of communication, and as long as opponents understand the essence of what has been stated, the mission of the language is considered completed.

                    When communicating, try to prioritize content over form, otherwise it looks like an attempt to deliberately divert attention to another topic.

                    Remember some more important things:
                    - Not everyone who writes here are Russians, or ethnic Russians. This does not diminish their right to express their opinion.
                    - Communication tools (smartphone, etc.) often limit the ability to correctly transfer information. (especially in "SMS format").