Shariy told on the air of Ukrainian TV what vaccine is going to be vaccinated


Anatoly Shariy, a politician and blogger from Ukraine living in Europe, will quite possibly come to Russia for the first time in the last 12 years in order to get vaccinated with the Sputnik V vaccine against Covid-19 developed by Russian specialists. Shariy said this on the air of the Ukrainian television channel "112".


Shariy spoke about his lack of confidence in the Pfizer vaccine, as its use may be unsafe, since 23 people have died in Norway after being vaccinated with the vaccine. In Western Europe, there are now lively discussions about the need to use this or that medicine, there is a struggle for financing the development, and Shariy expressed his unwillingness to become a "guinea pig" in this regard for Western European doctors.

Therefore, I have a thought, perhaps for the first time in 12 years I will visit the Russian Federation. Get vaccinated, of course

- said the Ukrainian blogger.


Meanwhile, Kiev continues to persist and does not want to purchase covid vaccines in Russia, despite the unfavorable situation with the incidence of coronavirus infection in Ukraine. It is indicative in this case that about 90 percent of the PCR test systems used in the country are of Russian origin, and many Ukrainian citizens are outraged in this regard by the double standards of the Ukrainian authorities.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 15 January 2021 18: 36
    +4
    Do not like Sputnik, use foreign analogs "for health". Why in quotes? Yes, that's why ..

    In Norway, they believe that the vaccine may be too dangerous for the elderly and terminally ill. 23 people died shortly after receiving the first dose of the vaccine. Think that:

    common side effects may have contributed to serious reactions in frail elderly people

    A total of 13 deaths may be due to vaccine side effects.
    In general, Europeans have a rather strange attitude towards vaccination. In France, a patient died 2 hours after the injection. Are they dying there or are they vaccinated?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-over-80

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/norway-deaths-after-virus-jab-may-be-from-side-effects/2111033

    In Germany, 10 people died. It looks like eftanasia for the elderly.

    The age of the deceased was from 79 to 93 years, all of them had previous diseases. The time between vaccinations and death ranged from a few hours to four days, according to a medical expert.

    Side effects:

    The institute also reported six cases of anaphylaxis (a severe, potentially life-threatening allergic reaction). So far, including 51 severe, 325 cases of side effects have been reported, presumably related to the vaccine.

    https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/10-dead-in-germany-within-4-days-of-covid-19-vaccine-inoculation-probe-ordered.html

    Well, it doesn’t matter, now Kiril will come and explain everything that we have misunderstood, everything is wonderful and safe, and it is better not to use the term side effects at all laughing
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 15 January 2021 20: 28
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      Well, it doesn’t matter, now Kiril will come and explain everything that we have misunderstood, everything is wonderful and safe, and it is better not to use the term side effects at all

      Cyril came and explains, since it didn't reach you the first time.

      Anaphylaxis is a clinically proven causal effect with Pfizer vaccine.

      There is no proven causal relationship with Bell's palsy, so there is currently no evidence to consider it a side effect of this vaccine.

      What is incomprehensible in this is not clear (pun intended).

      In Germany, 10 people died. It looks like eftanasia for the elderly.

      and right there:

      Age of the deceased from 79 to 93 years, they all had previous illnesses. The time between vaccinations and death ranged from a few hours to four days, according to a medical expert.

      Yes Yes. At 70 and even more so 90 years old, you can die solely from the vaccine.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 15 January 2021 20: 40
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        There is no proven causal relationship with Bell's palsy, so there is currently no evidence to consider it a side effect of this vaccine.

        There is no evidence that this connection is missing. The company doesn't know and prefers to watch a little longer.

        Yes Yes. At 70 and even more so 90 years old, you can die solely from the vaccine.

        Why, at this venerable age, you can introduce yourself without a vaccine. But, you do not know how to read or pretended not to notice? The Norwegians believe that the death of 13 out of 23 may be related to the side effects of "KOSORYLOVKA".
        And some foreign publications use the term vaccine side effect ... Doesn't your gentle ear for music get hurt by these rude words? You do not like the use of such a phrase for an imported vaccine. laughing Nevertheless, hundreds of cases were registered. As an ardent defender, you should try the miracle of hostile medicine on yourself winked
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 16 January 2021 12: 56
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          There is no evidence that this connection is missing.

          Nobody proves the absence of causal relationships, they prove their existence. These are the foundations of the methodology of science and the scientific method on which evidence-based medicine is based. This is done even within the framework of a general theoretical course at any university. Although, of course, if you have education in the form of 3 classes of the parish, then such a delusion is forgivable to you.

          The company doesn't know and prefers to watch a little longer.

          That's right, because the number of reported cases of Bell's palsy does not go beyond the general population statistics for this disease. Therefore, the FDA and recommended the manufacturer to "watch a little longer" cases of Bell's palsy on more people to collect enough statistical data to establish whether the statistics of Bell's palsy in vaccinated people differs from the general population or not.

          Why, at this venerable age, you can introduce yourself without a vaccine. But, you do not know how to read or pretended not to notice? Norwegians believe death is 13 out of 23 maybe associated with side effects from "KOSORYLOVKA"

          I draw your attention to this "maybe". This time.

          Two. Any medicine has side effects and contraindications - that is, situations when it is not recommended to use it due to the high risk of complications. Violation of these contraindications can lead to serious complications, including death.

          And some foreign publications use the term vaccine side effect ... Doesn't your gentle ear for music get hurt by these rude words?

          Some foreign publications use the term "side effect" to refer to adverse events that are causally related to the vaccine through clinical trials.

          Isophat, however, applied this term to a phenomenon (Bell's palsy), the connection between which and the vaccine has not been established.

          It's clear? Or repeat it a fourth time, if this simple information does not reach you?

          Nevertheless, hundreds of cases were registered.

          Of course. And they will register even more as the vaccine is more widely introduced into clinical practice. Which is quite normal for an active medicine.

          As an ardent defender, you should try the miracle of hostile medicine on yourself

          First, there is no “hostile” or “non-hostile” medicine. Although, in your head anything is possible.

          Secondly, the Pfizer vaccine is not available in Russia, I cannot try it on myself by definition.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 16 January 2021 15: 31
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            I draw your attention to this "maybe".

            Oh how !!!! Are you paying attention to this now? belay When did I tell you about "highley like"? This vaccine has a lot of "maybe", "highley like", "we don't know for sure", "we are not sure".

            Nobody proves the absence of causal relationships, they prove their existence.

            That is, smile Someone is obliged to prove to the company that the cases of the disease are related to their vaccine and not to turnover? Did I understand you correctly? If so, I have no more questions, I see no point in further discussion winked Several days have passed, your position is still unshakable - prove that the vaccine is dangerous.
            I'm starting to feel like a druid talking to a tree. hi

            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 16 January 2021 15: 50
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              Oh how !!!! Are you paying attention to this now?

              For what? Neither I, nor the vaccine manufacturers, have ever denied the possibility of a causal relationship between the vaccine and some undesirable phenomena.

              I have already said that any medicinal product that works can (and does) have side effects. It is pointless to deny this.

              This vaccine has a lot of "maybe", "highley like", "we don't know for sure", "we are not sure"

              Any medicine can have a lot of these.

              That is, smile someone is obliged to prove to the company, that the cases of diseases are related to their vaccine and not to the circulation? Did I understand you correctly?

              No, it's wrong. Which is not surprising.

              I explain again.

              During clinical trials of the drug, there is a constant registration of all medical phenomena that happened to the experimental after taking the drug.

              If it turns out that some undesirable phenomenon manifests itself with a frequency exceeding the average population statistics (that is, there is a possibility of a connection between taking the drug and this phenomenon), then the drug researchers try find evidence of this connection... If they find such evidence, then a causal relationship is established and the "undesirable phenomenon" turns into a "side effect". If not, then the connection between this phenomenon and the drug is unproven, and, accordingly, this phenomenon is not considered a side effect.

              I'm starting to feel like a druid talking to a tree.

              Well, I didn't doubt your ability to talk to yourself.
            2. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 16 January 2021 16: 09
              -3
              And here are some more registered side effects from Sputnik-5 - https://iz.ru/1098186/2020-12-10/ekspert-rasskazal-o-pobochnykh-effektakh-vaktciny-sputnik-v

              Quote:

              According to the presentation presented by the expert, gastrointestinal disorders during vaccination are manifested in 5,9% of patients. Disruption of the kidneys and urinary tract observed in 2% and 11,4%, respectively, changes in the work of blood vessels occur 2,6% and 14,3%, and hearts - in 1,9% and 5,7% of cases.

              The expert also pointed out that disorders on the part of muscular, skeletal and connective tissues were recorded in 0,6% and 5,7%, and on the part of the nervous system - in 0,3% and 8,5%. In addition, in 3% and 8,6% of cases, respectively, there was acute cerebrovascular accident.

              I think there is no point in explaining that any of the isolated side effects of the vaccine, under certain circumstances, can cause serious illness and even death. For example, in people who already have problems with the kidneys, heart and cerebral circulation.
            3. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 16 January 2021 16: 21
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              And here is the news from Argentina on the use of Sputnik-5 - https://www.rbc.ru/society/02/01/2021/5ff091649a79478f8ca04dbc

              The most common complications were fever and headaches. They occurred in 140 people (44,2% of the total number of patients with side symptoms). 81 vaccinated (25,6%) had only headache, 36 had only fever (11,4%).

              Thirty patients (30%) developed a reaction at the injection site. Four developed a mild allergy (9,5%), the same number of vaccinated lipotimia (fainting occurred)... Three patients developed a fever with an upset gastrointestinal system.

              But as for the question of causation (from the same article):

              The Argentine Ministry of Health emphasized that the vast majority of patients faced with complications had mild side effects and did not require hospitalization. In addition, it is still impossible to unambiguously assert a causal relationship between vaccination and most complications in all cases., to check this additional research is being conducted.

              From the words of the representative of the Ministry of Health of Argentina, it is clear that prove precisely the existence of a causal relationship between the drug and the complications that have occurred, and not its absence.
        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 16 January 2021 13: 22
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          And here is some more interesting information about the comparison of the Russian and Pfizer vaccines -https: //takiedela.ru/news/2021/01/11/oslozhneniya-privivka/

          Quote from Alexey Zhivov, chief physician of the Ilyinsky hospital:

          “Of course, I want to be vaccinated with the vaccine, about which there is the greatest amount of information,” says Zhivov. - Unfortunately, there are fewer data on the effectiveness, safety and duration of Sputnik V immunity compared to other vaccines. It's very easy for me to go to the FDA website and read the trial report published there. There are only press releases about the Sputnik V vaccine on the website of the vaccine itself and on the website of the Russian direct investment fund (the owner of the drug). I have not found formal reports on clinical trials, especially those published in reliable sources of information».

          In addition, it was not possible to complete the third phase of clinical trials - in December, volunteers stopped injecting placebo, Zhivov recalls. “Any drug must undergo proper clinical research. It is only by their results that one can judge whether the developer's hypothesis was correct, whether the chosen technology justifies itself, the expert believes. - Nevertheless, Sputnik V is now actively used in Russia and in some foreign countries, and, one way or another, data on its practical use is accumulating. And so far there is no sharply negative data on this vaccine. "
        3. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 16 January 2021 13: 59
          -3
          https://www.uralinform.ru/news/society/334246-dvajdy-vyzyval-skoruyu-moskvich-opisal-jutkoe-sostoyanie-posle-vakciny-ot-covid/

          Quote:

          Yesterday I underwent a revaccination - they made the second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine was given at 15 o'clock, and until the morning I felt good - no side reactions. But this morning, "surprises" began: from 8 am the temperature suddenly began to rise and by 11 o'clock amounted to 40.2... And it was almost impossible to shoot her down.

          Paracetamol just flew away. 40.2 - and that's it. Pulse - 140-160... The fever is strong, electric heating pads from the chills that accompany the fever do not help at all - it is extremely difficult to keep warm. He heated the air in the apartment to 30 degrees. It became easier - the chill "subsided" a little.

          Among other undesirable phenomena, he also noted

          heart problems similar to a seizure, difficulty breathing at rest (shortness of breath), dizziness

          And this is a man of 40 years of age.

          At the same time, the Moscow Health Department commented on this case, calling such symptoms "unpleasant, but completely safe."

          At the same time, a temperature of 40,5-41 degrees is considered a boundary at which there is already a danger to human life.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 16 January 2021 16: 20
            +3
            And who claims that there are no side effects from a satellite at all? belay
            In our country, in any case, people do not die a few hours after vaccination.
            You pointed out quite correctly

            And this is a man of 40 years of age.

            It looks like the old people are injected there indiscriminately and taking into account the specific health of the elderly. Maybe the body simply cannot withstand the load. In any case, if people die after being vaccinated in dozens, this is not normal and the reasons need to be understood.

            The presence of side effects from the use of Sputnik does not indicate the safety of the Western vaccine.
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 16 January 2021 16: 39
              -1
              And who claims that there are no side effects from a satellite at all?

              So you position it as an absolutely safe alternative to "dangerous"

              In our country, in any case, people do not die a few hours after vaccination.

              So we still have no one conducting mass vaccination of the elderly - it will begin only from January 28. Let me remind you that the vast majority of severe cases with the Western vaccine were observed precisely in people of the older age group (60 and above).

              https://www.bfm.ru/news/461541

              It looks like the old people are injected there indiscriminately and taking into account the specific health of the elderly.

              The reason may still be in non-compliance by the vaccinated themselves with the restrictions after vaccination. For example, one of the contraindications to any corona vaccine is drinking alcohol. It can lead to severe reactions and even death. And there is no guarantee that some of the vaccinated did not use it.

              In any case, if people die after being vaccinated in dozens, this is not normal and the reasons must be understood.

              Even if they die directly from the vaccine, then tens of cases per million is a normal rate.

              The presence of side effects from the use of Sputnik does not indicate the safety of the Western vaccine.

              Right. But you contrast these vaccines, calling the Russian safe and the Western one dangerous.

              Using a specific example, I showed that the Russian vaccine can cause quite severe reactions. If for a 40-year-old healthy person, the pulse is 140-160 beats, the temperature is under 40, the disruption of the heart and respiratory system is even more or less tolerable, then, for example, for a person with cardiovascular diseases it can end in tears.
              1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                A.Lex 17 January 2021 11: 11
                +1
                Safe from dangerous IN THIS CASE it is meant - die or not.
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 17 January 2021 15: 12
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                  Safe from dangerous IN THIS CASE it is meant - die or not.

                  First, the link between deaths and the vaccine has yet to be confirmed. Deaths can be caused by generally left causes, or by violation of the rules for using the vaccine.

                  Secondly, in order to objectively compare statistics for two vaccines, it is necessary that they have comparable data - the total number of vaccinated, the number of vaccinated in each age group, etc.

                  But, for example, the Pfizer vaccine is already widely used in the vaccination of the elderly, and the Sputnik vaccine will begin to be applied to the elderly only from January 28. The Pfizer vaccine began to be widely used earlier, and there are now more people vaccinated with it around the world than those vaccinated with Sputnik.

                  Therefore, the totals for different baselines will be distorted.
                  1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                    A.Lex 25 January 2021 14: 20
                    +1
                    Deaths can be caused by generally left causes

                    naturally different! But the vaccine provoked them - these are the very reasons. Is the CAM FACT of death important - after the injection? YES! Everything is the point! Everything else is from the evil one!

                    to objectively compare statistics

                    What statistics do you want? Are there any deaths from the satellite? NOT! And what about the rest? THERE IS!
                    Everything else is your own inventions.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 25 January 2021 14: 24
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                      Is the CAM FACT of death important - after the injection? YES! Everything is the point! Everything else is from the evil one!

                      Read about the logical error "after is due".

                      What statistics do you want? Are there any deaths from the satellite? NOT! And what about the rest? THERE IS!

                      Go read how statistics are compiled in clinical trials. When you read at least something on this topic, you can come back.

                      Everything else is your own inventions.

                      Everything else is not my "invention", it is science.
  2. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 20: 19
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    Quote: 123
    Do not like Sputnik, use foreign analogs "for health". Why in quotes? Yes, that's why ..

    In Norway, they believe that the vaccine may be too dangerous for the elderly and terminally ill. 23 people died shortly after receiving the first dose of the vaccine. Think that:

    common side effects may have contributed to serious reactions in frail elderly people

    A total of 13 deaths may be due to vaccine side effects.
    In general, Europeans have a rather strange attitude towards vaccination. In France, a patient died 2 hours after the injection. Are they dying there or are they vaccinated?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-over-80

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/norway-deaths-after-virus-jab-may-be-from-side-effects/2111033

    In Germany, 10 people died. It looks like eftanasia for the elderly.

    The age of the deceased was from 79 to 93 years, all of them had previous diseases. The time between vaccinations and death ranged from a few hours to four days, according to a medical expert.

    Side effects:

    The institute also reported six cases of anaphylaxis (a severe, potentially life-threatening allergic reaction). So far, including 51 severe, 325 cases of side effects have been reported, presumably related to the vaccine.

    https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/10-dead-in-germany-within-4-days-of-covid-19-vaccine-inoculation-probe-ordered.html

    Well, it doesn’t matter, now Kiril will come and explain everything that we have misunderstood, everything is wonderful and safe, and it is better not to use the term side effects at all laughing

    1. The reliability of information on BP side effects is not clear.
    2. Everything is known by comparison. We do not yet have any reliable information on other vaccines.
    3. I think, based on the results of vaccination in Israel, we will be able to form an objective picture - all information according to the initial agreement is statistically processed. So far, we have no horrors about the dozens of the dead, and this is with 2x million vaccinated.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 15 January 2021 20: 50
      +4
      The reliability of information on BP side effects is not clear.

      It is logical. But there is information and does not look like a fake. Accurate data will take longer.

      Everything is relative. We do not yet have any reliable information on other vaccines.

      It is also true, but information about deaths and similar side effects, for example from Sputnik, did not come across. I suppose if she was, the "sworn colleagues" would not conceal her.

      I think, based on the results of vaccination in Israel, we will be able to form an objective picture - all information according to the initial agreement is statistically processed.

      And then I agree. I heard you have "medical histories" stored for almost the entire population for 30 years. Apparently this is very useful in this case.

      So far, we have no horrors about the dozens of the dead, and this is with 2x million vaccinated.

      And here I do not mind. For me, the information from Europe seems rather strange. Either they prick her indiscriminately and the old people simply cannot withstand the body, or the instigation of the temperature regime during transportation, or something like that.
      Do you also get the "older age group" massively vaccinated?
  3. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 21: 12
    -4
    Quote: 123
    The reliability of information on BP side effects is not clear.

    It is logical. But there is information and does not look like a fake. Accurate data will take longer.

    Everything is relative. We do not yet have any reliable information on other vaccines.

    It is also true, but information about deaths and similar side effects, for example from Sputnik, did not come across. I suppose if she was, the "sworn colleagues" would not conceal her.

    I think, based on the results of vaccination in Israel, we will be able to form an objective picture - all information according to the initial agreement is statistically processed.

    And then I agree. I heard you have "medical histories" stored for almost the entire population for 30 years. Apparently this is very useful in this case.

    So far, we have no horrors about the dozens of the dead, and this is with 2x million vaccinated.

    And here I do not mind. For me, the information from Europe seems rather strange. Either they prick her indiscriminately and the old people simply cannot withstand the body, or the instigation of the temperature regime during transportation, or something like that.
    Do you also get the "older age group" massively vaccinated?

    In Europe, there are unexpectedly many dissidents and enemies of vaccination, I would not be surprised that most of the information is dubious.
    As for Sputnik in Israel, in general, the opinion is rather positive, we have a pre-order for 1,5 million doses, but when Russia will be able to deliver them, it is not clear that the production capacity is painfully meager.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 15 January 2021 22: 39
      0
      As for Sputnik in Israel, in general, the opinion is rather positive, we have a pre-order for 1,5 million doses, but when Russia will be able to deliver them, it is not clear that the production capacity is painfully meager.

      It is what it is yes Problems with production. As far as I understand, there is no equipment of our own and, apparently, there is a problem with the purchase, and the debugging of the "serial production" technology is underway.
  4. RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 15 January 2021 21: 23
    0
    Does something do a favor ... Nafig is not needed here ... We have that, the borders have been opened ... A political prostitute ...
  5. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
    Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 15 January 2021 21: 28
    0
    Well done Shary. What else can I say?
  6. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 16 January 2021 20: 07
    +2
    And the Russian Federation does not need to sell a vaccine to patients suffering from Russophobia under the state. Die out - the Earth will become cleaner.