Romanians and Moldovans ridiculed the standard of living in Russia


Users of the Moldovan website Timpul discussed the resource's provocative message comparing Russian pensions with those received by Romanian citizens.


Everyone who lives in the Republic of Moldova hears from Russian speakers different myths about the wealth of the Russian Federation and poverty in Romania. Let's see what the numbers say. The average pension in Russia is 15 rubles ($ 000). The average pension in Romania is 196 lei (1 US dollars), or 436% more. Life expectancy in Russia is 348 years. Life expectancy in Romania is 55,88 years

- noted in the message of the site.

The text notes that Russia has the largest gas reserves in the world and is one of the main producers and exporters of gas and oil in the world. The average pension in the Republic of Moldova is only 1842 lei (106 US dollars).

Some of the comments of Romanians and Moldovans are displayed below:

If you are doing so well in Romania, why are you still working abroad yourself?

- sinton is curious.

Because we are in the European Union, and we work where we want, and we have a choice, and someone like you works for some rubles, for the crumbs thrown by the Bolsheviks whom you serve so hard. Not everything is perfect in Romania, but definitely better than in Russia

- Paul Bescuca replied to the previous post.

If you used your neurons profitably, you could admit that: 1. you left to work in the EU, because there are better financial and housing conditions, civil liberties, etc., and Russia is the bottom for all of the above indicators; 2. If Romania had not supported the Republic of Moldova in negotiations on cooperation with the EU and had not allowed Moldovans to work there, then now you would be sitting in your beloved Tiraspol or in Russia in general [...]

- believes BUREBISTA.

Average net salary in 2020: Romania - 702 euros, Russia - 443 euros, Moldova - 285 euros! In 1990, the average salary in Romania was $ 100, and today it is $ 840

- exclaims a Super Mario.

I work on construction sites in Brasov, I get more than 3000 clean, sometimes even 4500, I cope with the work, gradually increase the category, and have not left the country since 2006!

- noted Webber Cristian.

It is very good that you have raised this topic. Russia's oil and gas wealth is in the pockets of criminal oligarchs, including Putin. We, in Romania, ourselves manage our oil and gas from the Black Sea basin. Also, two nuclear reactors are being built with American money ... so Romania has everything it needs for the unfortunate Bessarabia [...]

- commented simionescu.

A joke from Soviet times. They ask themselves the question: what is growing continuously, but is not observed? Answer: the welfare of the Soviet people!

- recalls Nicolae Secrieru with irony.
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  1. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 14 January 2021 08: 15
    +6
    This article is reminiscent of an old joke:

    A 70-year-old man complains to a doctor about an insufficient erection. The doctor draws his attention to his age, to which the man refers to an 80-year-old neighbor who says that everything is fine with him. "Well, you speakthat everything is fine with you "
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 14 January 2021 09: 30
    +1
    He laughs well who lives to dawn laughing
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 14 January 2021 09: 58
      -3
      They didn't "make fun", they just wrote .... the truth. Unpleasant, huh? wink
      1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 14 January 2021 10: 13
        +16
        The Romanian army is the strongest in the world!
        She first reached Moscow with Hitler, and then with Stalin to Berlin.
        This is also true. But as always, there is a nuance.
        1. Japan Offline Japan
          Japan 15 January 2021 18: 33
          -1
          Excellent spotted! Residents of Moldova have long known that the Romanians are "prostitutes"! (These words are from Trotsky).
        2. Volodar79 Offline Volodar79
          Volodar79 (Fedor Ivanov) 16 January 2021 13: 45
          +1
          They said that if it was necessary to break through the defense, they looked for where the Romanians were. In captivity, they wandered practically without protection, Ahead of the one going vasali around the neck plywood with the name of us. The point where the prisoners were collected, and the traffic police showed the way.
        3. stepet Offline stepet
          stepet 27 January 2021 11: 18
          -6
          Who about what, and lousy about the bath.
          It was about the standard of living in the countries.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 14 January 2021 10: 34
        +2
        They didn't "make fun", they just wrote .... the truth. Unpleasant, huh?

        Firstly, I did not say that they made fun of, rather I meant that they rejoice early.
        Secondly, everyone has their own truth. What's yours? smile
      3. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
        Alexndr p (Alexander) 14 January 2021 18: 17
        +4
        they just wrote .... the truth. Unpleasant, huh?

        reserves of the company "Surgutneftegas" comparable to the gold and foreign exchange reserves of a country like Romania (45 billion).

        wassat there is still such a truth

        PS Russia has a segment of the ISS worth $ 1 trillion
        PPS Romanians are cool, America is building a nuclear power plant for them!

        In general, such articles are certainly funny) There are not enough Aryans screaming about the Great Ukrainian Mrot. Ukrainians still laugh at us and our standard of living
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 14 January 2021 18: 51
          +4
          Romania faces alarming numbers according to a UN report, ranking second in the world for the number of people leaving the country. In the first place is Syria, which is at war.

          Monster - how can you comment on the success of the Romanians? Tell about the bitter truth)

          they just wrote .... the truth. Unpleasant, huh?

          Is it they because their standard of living is higher, they are fleeing the country, so much so that only the Syrians fled the war faster than them?)
          1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
            Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 14 January 2021 22: 19
            .
            Aleksandr P (Alexander), make the Russian Federation like the Romanians with the EU Schengen and in a couple of years the Russian Federation will be half empty.
          2. stepet Offline stepet
            stepet 27 January 2021 11: 30
            -6
            Why are you writing nonsense?
            Romanians don't run anywhere.
            They move within their state (called the EU) and work there. Where they pay more.
            This is not Emigration.
            This is Labor Migration.
            And you simply twist.
          3. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 2 February 2021 17: 02
            -3
            Quote: Alexander P
            Romania faces alarming numbers according to UN report,

            And what about the UN about the Russian Federation in this regard? There is such data according to Rosstat. A record number of Russians fled the country in a year. Portrait of a Typical Emigrant For the past seven years, the number of those who leave Russia has been growing every year. In 2017 alone, more than 377 thousand people left the country, according to Rosstat, and this is a record figure. In fact, there may be more emigrants. Least of all citizens left the country in 2009 - only 32 thousand people. Since 2013, the numbers have been growing. In 2017, the number of emigrants, compared to zero, increased 10 times.
        2. stepet Offline stepet
          stepet 27 January 2021 11: 26
          -6
          Romania's net worth is estimated at $ 668,4 billion.
          The net worth of the Russian Federation is estimated at $ 3052,5 billion.
          In recalculation for one adult, the AVERAGE (non-median) Romanian has a property of 43 074 dollars (median 19 582 dollars).
          The same, but for the average adult Russian - $ 27 (median $ 381).

          Medium (potential):
          58 Romania 157.3% 43 074
          72 Russia 100.0% 27 381

          Median (real):
          50 Romania 531.69% 19 582
          109 Russia 100.00% 3 683
      4. olpin51 Offline olpin51
        olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 14 January 2021 21: 03
        0
        If you want to live, turn it with skill.
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      6. Dmitry Krasnodar (Dmitry Ruden) 15 January 2021 10: 05
        +3
        Yes, she really is ...
        Look at the article about Romania traveler Varlamov https://varlamov.ru/2034779.html
        In all its glory about the life of the indigenous Gypsies in Budapest, the rest of the population there raids after working in Italy in the vineyards. Plus expensive real estate and a communal apartment, and these boastful Romanians remain with pitiful crumbs.
        Also, in real estate there is simply a bummer, there is no such volume of new construction per person as in Russia, so we have a new young family can afford to buy housing on a mortgage, but the Romanians do not.
        So guys, think about it)))
        1. Miffer Offline Miffer
          Miffer (Sam Miffers) 15 January 2021 18: 24
          0
          In all its glory about the life of indigenous Gypsies in Budapest,

          Actually, the capital of Romania is called Bucharest.
        2. Japan Offline Japan
          Japan 15 January 2021 18: 35
          -1
          Varlamov is a disgusting POODLE, where he won't go - he throws mud at everyone! (I’m not about gypsy origin, but about any country)
  3. kartalovkolya Offline kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 January 2021 11: 25
    +6
    Ay-ay-ay Moldovans and Romanians laughed at Russia, but for some reason these "laughters" have gone to work all over Europe and even in Russia!
  4. Jarilo Offline Jarilo
    Jarilo (Sergei) 14 January 2021 11: 36
    +2
    The GDP also exempted our oligarchs from taxes, making them tax non-residents, if they live not in Russia for more than 180 days, but they are already abroad all the time, and made local offshores on the Russkiy and Oktyabrsky islands. And for ordinary people, the GDP and its apparatus are coming up with new and new extortions - as if they broke off the chain. Siluanov, after a conversation with the oligarchs about the abolition of tax non-residence, after they sent him, said that this should be postponed until better times and that they still would not pay anything. Apparently they have a roof - GDP.
    1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 15 January 2021 17: 57
      +1
      I will reveal to you a terrible secret: if you live outside Russia for 183 days or more, you will also be a non-resident ..
  5. Division Offline Division
    Division (Division) 14 January 2021 12: 19
    +6
    But nothing has been written about the costs. Judging by the European prices for communal apartments, it is not clear how their pensioners survive there. And the fact that they run from their country to work "choosing" is a lie. A normal person with a sufficient salary does not rush about foreign countries all his life.
    1. olpin51 Offline olpin51
      olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 14 January 2021 21: 00
      0
      Everything in a person should be beautiful - soul, body, and salary.
  6. Enoch Offline Enoch
    Enoch (Enoch) 14 January 2021 12: 36
    -7
    Happy Holidays! Nothing and Russia will rise from its knees if the Russian people wake up with a hangover. Schedule Sergius is many years old!
  7. SASS Offline SASS
    SASS (Sass) 14 January 2021 14: 09
    +7
    I laugh, I have a Homeric laugh)))). Do Rumunes live richly? Are you kidding? )))
    Oh! I described myself with laughter.))) Well, tell everyone who has been there, lived ... Dirt, wretchedness of life, poverty, etc. etc.
    Like gentlemen, you are RISES !!!
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 14 January 2021 18: 53
      +1
      Have you seen the capitalization of Tesla? (from)
  8. olpin51 Offline olpin51
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 14 January 2021 20: 43
    0
    Quote: Division
    it is unclear how their pensioners survive there.

    So maybe they already have none. Therefore, the level is higher. IMHO
  9. olpin51 Offline olpin51
    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 14 January 2021 20: 57
    +2
    That's how well the gypsies live.
    Yeah. Chile's subsoil is rich in gas.
  10. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 14 January 2021 21: 09
    +5
    Romanians and Moldovans ridiculed the standard of living in Russia

    The fact that they are interested in and discussing our standard of living is alarming. We just missed them.
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 15 January 2021 00: 40
      +2
      The fact that they are interested in and discussing our standard of living is alarming. We just missed them.

      Those "Romanians" are related to Romania, that the Roma are to your wallet, however ..
  11. Xuli (o) Tebenado 14 January 2021 21: 33
    +3
    1) Everything is mixed here - Romania, Russia, Moldova. And in different money amounts are indicated: either dollars, then euros, or lei (either Romanian, or Moldovan). Would bring everything to a single denominator (currency), it would be clearer.
    2) Naked numbers alone do not say anything about the standard of living. Here you also need to know the amount of compulsory expenses: taxes, housing costs, medicine, transport ... It is possible that after deducting all of the above from the salary, very little remains.
    3) If we compare the population in 1990 and in 2020, then the comparison will not be in favor of the latest date. For example, if we talk about Bulgaria, then over 30 years the population has dropped from 9 to 7 million people. Moldova has lost from one third to half of the working population. It is necessary to look at Romania.
    4) I just read some interesting numbers.
    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10459951?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
    Russians also have something to be proud of :(
  12. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 15 January 2021 06: 12
    -3
    Romanians and Moldovans ridiculed the standard of living in Russia

    - Personally, I do not feel, to put it mildly ... - no sympathy for these two states ... - neither for Romania ... - nor for Moldova ...
    - But no one will deny the fact that Romania has a very strong "influence" on Moldova ... - And a fairly large percentage of Moldovans would like to unite Moldova and Romania ...
    - Yes, even today, in the same Moldova, they elected a president ... a citizen of Romania ... - this is how to perceive ...
    - Here was a Moldovan president of Moldova ... - Dodon ... - who seemed to be "oriented" towards Russia ... - And how it all ended ... - "love" suddenly won out "orientation" ... - Hahah. ..
    - But Russia and Belarus have some strange many ten-year "love-oriented relationship" ...; which still cannot end with anything ... - such a sluggish "love story" ... - a wonderful plot for endless Latin American or Brazilian serials ... - More than one generation in Russia and Belarus has grown up on this "serial"; and he (this series) ... - and so it continues ...
    - Personally, I don't want to draw analogies ... - but the fact is on the face ... - But whose love is hotter ???
    -Romania-Moldova ??? - Or ... - Russia and Belarus ??? - Hahah ...
    - And who here "can only laugh" ???
    - Okay ... so be it ... - we will laugh at someone else's Romanian-Moldovan level; and then let's go crying as usual over our melodramatic "endless serial" ...
    -What's funnier here ??? - Hahah ...
    1. Japan Offline Japan
      Japan 15 January 2021 13: 15
      -7
      To put it mildly, we - the inhabitants of Belarus are allergic to the Russian Federation, and 70-80% of people want the border from your forever criminal country. And do not confuse the Romanians - the SS helpers and the residents of Moldova.
      Moldavia appeared 530 years earlier than vile Romania.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 14: 03
        +2
        residents of Belarus are allergic to the Russian Federation, and 70-80% of people want a border from your forever criminal country.

        Do you want to have borders from Russia? So keep them on your health, but then why did you register your account on this Russian site today?
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        2. Japan Offline Japan
          Japan 15 January 2021 17: 44
          -6
          And if, without jokes, I registered because I saw "my theme" of the Air Force, where I served, and I served in Russia. More questions - private ...: 0))))
          1. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 18: 09
            +4
            And if, without jokes, I registered because I saw "my theme" of the Air Force, where I served, and I served in Russia. More questions - private ...: 0))))

            Yes, no one objects to your being here. Is it a pity?
            I'm just worried about your "allergy to RF". God forbid you will be covered with acne, or in general, you will get some kind of anaphylactic shock. )
            1. Japan Offline Japan
              Japan 15 January 2021 18: 45
              -5
              1. There is no GOD! This was invented by a Jew to control such - weak as you! (It has been proven 1000 times that this is a business !!!).
              2. Believe it or not, allergies are not only mine, but millions of Belarusians!
              3. We have no - no aggression towards the residents of the Russian Federation and other CIS countries!
              4. You just need a border from your country - from - a crime that brings drugs, weapons, fired alcohol and many others into our country.
              5. Alas, it is not the peoples of the CIS who decide, but the vile officials whom WE have chosen ...
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 15 January 2021 19: 02
                +1
                Japan, why are you a Belarusian? You are a person of unknown nationality who really wants us to think badly of Belarusians.

                PS Are you Japanese? lol
                1. Japan Offline Japan
                  Japan 15 January 2021 19: 14
                  -5
                  Boy, who scared you so? laughing (“I’m not afraid with you”) - there was such a kinA in the USSR. You are a person who doesn’t use fantasies - you have no idea how many people we have against the Russian Federation!
                  As for me, I live in Minsk. At the moment we have minus 15, there are not many people on the street, recently they opened new metro station "Yubileinaya" and others. The price of the fare went up to 80 kopecks. In the store "Vitalyur" there was a promotion for food, in the store "Euroopt" today I bought coffee for $ 15. More examples - arguments - needed?
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 15 January 2021 19: 34
                    +1
                    Japan, I judge you by your behavior on the site, and it is not in your favor. Came in, logged in, riveted more than 20 negative comments. Believe me, I am Belarusian.

                    Why did you come to this site, a person of unknown nationality?
                    1. Japan Offline Japan
                      Japan 15 January 2021 19: 51
                      -4
                      2. If a person expresses his opinion, is it negative?
                      3. If you are a young man - a cowardly person and are afraid to speak the truth - these are your problems!
                      4. You may be a "Belarusian" from Uzda, but a real one - which has been slowing down for 26 years since the STABLE came to power, and now everyone is walking the streets and waving red and white shorts, and you are being "pissed off" by lukazOMBIs with shorts - " sunset over the swamp. " So we don't care about both! You have to be a realist, not a snail crawling and leaving behind a snotty trail ...
                      1. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 15 January 2021 19: 58
                        +1
                        Q.E.D. Belarusians are calm, self-possessed and smart people. You are not of their kind.

                        PS For the first day on the site, the administration has already banned you five times. So are we going to pretend to be a Belarusian? laughing
              2. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 19: 55
                +2
                2. Believe it or not, allergies are not only mine, but millions of Belarusians!

                I'm already starting to worry about millions.)

                4. You just need a border from your country - from - a crime that brings drugs, weapons, fired alcohol and many others into our country.

                And here is a list of your specializations, domestic organized crime groups:

                Smuggling, racketeering, extortion, fraud, car thefts, making and selling counterfeit money, forgery, contract killings, money laundering, pimping, human trafficking, debt collection.

                Wiki

                So it turns out, you are experts on crime far away from Russians. Human trafficking alone is worth it. Ugh, how disgusting.

                So the borders of Russia just from you would not hurt.
                1. Japan Offline Japan
                  Japan 15 January 2021 20: 04
                  -2
                  So I mean it!
                  Establish a border from our criminal bulb, please !!!

                  PS In Transbaikalia, beyond the Urals, to this day people are killed and they disappear into the forests - without a trace - there the 90s continue ...
      2. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 15 January 2021 18: 02
        +2
        In Russia, they also do not mind, but the cockroach is crying that then the non-criminal baltarosia will not be able to violate the customs and tax laws of the Russian Federation ...
        1. Japan Offline Japan
          Japan 15 January 2021 18: 09
          -5
          Guys - men, the point is that vile (vile) politicians decide for US! The border must be 100% !!! It is necessary to be friends with neighbors, but only through the fence! No visas, etc., but careful control! Decent people - WELCOME! And the control over who enters / leaves, because the BASTARDS - from the criminal world turn our countries into a cemetery, which is only the supply of drugs ...
      3. Miffer Offline Miffer
        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 15 January 2021 18: 30
        -2
        Moldavia appeared 530 years earlier than vile Romania.

        This is a lie. You messed up the numbers.
        1. Japan Offline Japan
          Japan 15 January 2021 18: 48
          -2
          Well - yes, you are a "highlander" and you are 1000 years old, you saw everything with your own eyes ...
      4. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 15 January 2021 19: 09
        -1
        To put it mildly, we - the inhabitants of Belarus are allergic to the Russian Federation, and 70-80% of people want the border from your forever criminal country. And do not confuse the Romanians - the SS helpers and the residents of Moldova.

        - Oh, yes, the fact is that your allergy is of no interest to anyone ... - But the allergy to you ... is another matter ...
        - Today, one "bulk" can kill a million people like you with one click ... - And how many "bulk" in Belarus ??? - Not a single one yet ... - But materialization is possible in many forms ...
        - I personally sympathize with Belarus; but what's the use of my sympathy ... - You don't know who to shoot today ??? ... - You don't know yet ... - But you will always be prompted ...

        saw "my theme" of the Air Force, where I served, and I served in Russia. More questions - private.

        - Today it is no longer your topic ... - Today in Russia there are a lot of things that are wrong ... - But the topic remains the same ... - Even ... if today the oligarchs surrender Russia; then the topic will remain ... - and they (the oligarchs) will be found anyway ... - And the Russian oligarchs have already realized that even "another galaxy" will not save them ... - It's just that they will be found in any corner of the "extreme" planets and smear ... - And it will be like a cool game ... - "Look for an oligarch" ... - Hahah ...
        - I personally am ready to play such a "game" ...
        - And you need some kind of border ... from Russia ...
        1. Japan Offline Japan
          Japan 15 January 2021 19: 37
          -3
          there are a lot of things wrong in Russia today ...

          only 600 years ...
  13. alexprint1 Offline alexprint1
    alexprint1 (Alexander) 15 January 2021 08: 35
    0
    Why is the gypsy fixated on the dollar? Can you buy a lot in a Romanian store for $ 100? And for 7400 rubles in a Russian store? .. Simply speculators dropped the ruble rate against the dollar. In fact, the real exchange rate of the dollar against the ruble is 23 rubles in terms of purchasing power. Those. 15.000 Russian rubles it will be $ 650 ...
    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 15 January 2021 18: 51
      -2
      1) In fact, the "gypsy" has long since switched to the euro. And the Romanian leu is attached to it, just like the Bulgarian leu.
      2) The exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar was dropped not by speculators, but by the Central Bank of Russia, headed by E. Nabiulina.
      3) And even I do not presume to comment on nonsense regarding purchasing power.
  14. Alexander Zima Offline Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima (Alexander Zima) 15 January 2021 11: 46
    +1
    I was that Romania .. tsygynva solid .. theft is universal .. well, they gave them handouts in the form of greens so that they would finally eat .. but all this is temporary ... and the one who is the last laughs.
  15. Ivancarafuto Offline Ivancarafuto
    Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 15 January 2021 12: 17
    +1
    In order to understand that this is Romanian and Moldovan cheese, it is enough to drive through these countries or just visit Paris. Ask what has Paris to do with it? I answer. When you walk, they will definitely try to rob you, breed, deceive a flock of Romanian girls, girls, Romanian gypsies ..... Deserted villages, peasants plowing on oxen
  16. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 16: 01
    -1
    And speculators are the leadership of Russia, which, receiving revenues from raw materials in dollars, turns them into 73, not 23 rubles for budget execution :)
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 January 2021 16: 43
      +2
      Alexzn, and in Israel there are ministers against whom corruption cases would not be initiated?
  17. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 17: 37
    -2
    Quote: isofat
    Alexzn, and in Israel there are ministers against whom corruption cases would not be initiated?

    There are, but not very many. Therefore, there is much less corruption here.
    This question is for what?
    The person wrote that speculators underestimate the ruble exchange rate, which is actually 1 \ 23, so I made a conclusion from the proposed message who the speculator is.
    1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 15 January 2021 18: 04
      +1
      I mean, in Israel, the US dollar can be exchanged for 23 rubles ?? Or is Israel also ruled by the Russian leadership?)))
    2. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 18: 16
      +1
      The person wrote that speculators underestimate the ruble exchange rate, which is actually 1 \ 23, so I made a conclusion from the proposed message who the speculator is.

      Well, a man with "speculators" got excited, why cling to it. In fact, he is right.
      The only thing ... I would correct:
      the ruble, against the dollar, is undervalued about 6 times.
      That is, at PPP, the dollar (in America) to the ruble (in the Russian Federation) = 1: 12.

      That is, conditionally, by 72 thousand rubles. in Russia, a person will live 6 times better for a month than in America the same person. for $ 1000. You can even say - the Russian will live well, and the "American" will somehow make ends meet (sitting in a torn tent)
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  19. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 January 2021 18: 38
    -1
    The son of friends. Gold medalist. Postgraduate studies in Switzerland. He travels all over Europe on weekends, he can work and live wherever he wants.
  20. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 18: 48
    -1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    The person wrote that speculators underestimate the ruble exchange rate, which is actually 1 \ 23, so I made a conclusion from the proposed message who the speculator is.

    Well, a man with "speculators" got excited, why cling to it. In fact, he is right.
    The only thing ... I would correct:
    the ruble, against the dollar, is undervalued about 6 times.
    That is, at PPP, the dollar (in America) to the ruble (in the Russian Federation) = 1: 12.

    That is, conditionally, by 72 thousand rubles. in Russia, a person will live 6 times better for a month than in America the same person. for $ 1000. You can even say - the Russian will live well, and the "American" will somehow make ends meet (sitting in a torn tent)

    Let's cheat! Let's say that the US dollar (!!!) is undervalued. About should cost there (have purchasing power) 6 (well, or 12) times more.
    You can go further - the euro is undervalued in Holland, where you can buy less for it than in Germany, and more in Spain or Portugal than in Germany.
    I'm certainly not Einstein, but everything is relative ...
  21. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 18: 51
    -1
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    The son of friends. Gold medalist. Postgraduate studies in Switzerland. He travels all over Europe on weekends, he can work and live wherever he wants.

    Not on weekends, but a couple of times a year I travel around Europe :)
    1. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 19: 07
      +2
      Not on weekends, but a couple of times a year I travel around Europe :)

      I'm glad for you, so you have a well-paid job. Average salaries in Israel are not that high. I often visit European resorts, the Israelis (not to be confused with the Jews) whom I have ever met can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
  22. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 18: 55
    +1
    AlexZN: Let's cheat! Let's say that the US dollar (!!!) is undervalued.

    Let's not cheat? Conversation for the dollar against the ruble, and for the PPP of the ruble in Russia against the dollar in the US. Stay in this plane and try to challenge my arguments.
  23. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 19: 32
    -1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Not on weekends, but a couple of times a year I travel around Europe :)

    I'm glad for you, so you have a well-paid job. Average salaries in Israel are not that high. I often visit European resorts, the Israelis (not to be confused with the Jews), whom I have ever met, can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

    I disagree. Just the average salary in Israel is quite high - about 2400, for an Ashkenazi man - 3300 euros, at our prices it is beneficial for us to relax in all of southern and central Europe, Switzerland and Scandinavia are expensive for us, but in Austria-Germany-France we are quite comfortable , there is cheaper than ours. With the advent of low-cost airlines, it is possible to fly several times a year.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 20: 30
      +3
      According to official figures from the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS), the average salary in Israel in 2020 is 11 shekels per month ($ 063,5) before taxes.
      After taxes - approximately $ 2200.
      https://hochusvalit.com/izrail/zarplata-v-izraile

      Have you noticed that the amount of € 3300 you have indicated is too low?)

      What on average really remains for the "average" Israeli - € 1820

      Men are larger, women are smaller, but average, there is average.

      Subtract from this costs for housing, household loans, gasoline, insurance, food, etc.

      And what do you have there with your "average" in the remainder?

      And most importantly! How to travel with this remainder in "Europe"?))

      By the way, you write there below:

      Germans have low wages, high taxes and low prices.

      So .. the average salary in Germany is 47928, - € gross (per year), or 3994.- € gross (per month), Net - 2484,37, - € per month. = 3004,15, - $
      Against yours, if you remember 2200, - $

      The taxes are not much higher than yours.

      Prices are generally difficult to compare. Something higher, something lower than that of the same Dutch. Switzerland is expensive, but this is also something like, from your own theory - the "iron curtain from the inside".

      Below the line: average salaries in Israel are not as high as you would like to show.)
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 20: 43
        0
        Have you noticed that the amount of € 3300 you have indicated is too low?)

        You are inattentive. I have indicated 2400 euros
        3300 is the average Ashkenazi male (which I am)
        Do you think that with an average salary of 2000 euros, pure Israelis cannot afford to vacation in Europe?
        In Germany, there are really relatively low salaries, they should be compared with German neighbors with comparable GDP - France, Belgium, Holland, not to mention their northern neighbors. Their taxes are very high. Is there a consensus?
        1. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 20: 52
          +2
          Do you think that with an average salary of 2200 euros, pure Israelis cannot afford to vacation in Europe?

          will you cheat again?)
          What are 2200 clean ???

          After taxes - approximately $ 2200.

          DOLLARS!

          And in euros: 1820.

          and then:

          Subtract from this costs for housing, household loans, gasoline, insurance, food, etc.

          And what do you have there with your "average" in the remainder?

          And most importantly! How to travel with this remainder in "Europe"?))

          So you are inattentive, dear "panfriend")

          In Germany, there are really relatively low salaries, they should be compared with their German neighbors with a comparable GDP - France, Belgium, Holland

          I gave you the data for Germany.

          There is no need to compare with France, Belgium and Holland. The level is about the same, in the easy favor of the Germans.

          I will not argue about the Norwegians. I have never contacted them. I know that there is a principle close to socialism. But this is not our topic.
          1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
            Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 21: 04
            -1
            will you cheat again?)
            What are 2200 clean ???
            After taxes - approximately $ 2200.

            Now I looked at the statistics. 11063 = 2840 euros, after deducting taxes, it will be just 2200 euros net. What confuses you? Tax is not taken from 5300, from the next 5 - 20% is taken, 5% pension + 5 medical insurance ...
            1. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 21: 09
              +2
              I don't know, I kind of sent you your statistics, Israeli

              salary in Israel in 2020 is 11 shekels per month ($ 063,5) before taxes.
              After taxes - approximately $ 2200.
              https://hochusvalit.com/izrail/zarplata-v-izraile

              2200 dollars.
              1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 21: 19
                -1
                11063 divided by 3,2 = 3450 dollars
                11063 divided by 3,9 = 2840 euros
                After taxation including income, pension, health - you will receive in the region of 2200 euros
                1. Dear sofa expert. 15 January 2021 21: 25
                  +2
                  11063 divided by 3,2 = 3450 dollars
                  11063 divided by 3,9 = 2840 euros
                  After taxation including income, pension, health - you will receive in the region of 2400 euros

                  Why share something? )))
                  There, in the article, everything is already divided. I am not saying that in Israel your newspapers are telling you the truth. Maybe a lie.
                  But the link I gave you is yours, Israeli. Everything is written there, divided .. so ..
  24. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 January 2021 19: 45
    -2
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Let's not cheat? Conversation for the dollar against the ruble, and for the PPP of the ruble in Russia against the dollar in the US. Stay in this plane and try to challenge my arguments.

    The arguments are mechanical. It cannot be oversimplified, the economy is a system. If the exchange rate of the ruble changes, the system itself will change and it is not a fact that the level of people's purchasing power will increase. It was not for nothing that I pointed out the difference in the purchasing power of the euro in different countries. Germans have low salaries, high taxes and low prices. In Luxembourg, you can eat at McDonald's for the price of a great restaurant in Germany - and in both cases, the euro.
    Yes, I agree that the ruble is artificially underestimated, so they tailored the system, created an iron curtain from the inside to help the outside.
  25. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 15 January 2021 19: 48
    -2
    What then can I say about Estonia, the average salary is 1400 euros. Full service pension € 500 per month. The euro is more than the dollar. This is 88 rubles per euro.
  26. Kazimir Almazov Offline Kazimir Almazov
    Kazimir Almazov (Love h) 16 January 2021 13: 13
    +2
    Why do "poor and destitute" Russians buy 1,5 million cars a year (the auto market in Russia is the fourth in Europe, after Germany, France and Great Britain? And do they build and buy houses more than anyone else in Europe? Millions of Russians go on vacation every year You can't find Romanians in the Maldives and Thailand, but there are plenty of Russians, why? Put your inflated ratings, according to a special method, in one place.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 January 2021 00: 48
      +2
      Millions of Russians travel abroad every year. Romanians don't fucking meet

      Excellent, by the way, said. Neighing))
      Romanians really have not met anywhere.)
  27. Georg Soft Offline Georg Soft
    Georg Soft (Georg Soft) 23 January 2021 20: 52
    0
    There is a famous saying "Across the sea, a heifer is a half, but a ruble ferry"... The simplest question - WHY GASOLINE? Not to mention the rest. Then the ears will be visible. The poorest country in Europe - and there.
  28. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 25 January 2021 15: 48
    +3
    You shouldn't take this chatter seriously. Romania purely lives on EU subsidies and money from guest workers. Romania is not a welfare state. You have to pay for everything, from studies to medicine. I was in this country, the country is really poor. There are no new buildings, and what is there has not been renovated for years. Bucharest is clearly divided into prosperous and poor areas. It is better not to go into poor areas, there is a great chance to find adventure in your wallet. In a word - the gypsies!) The garbage dumps are spread out over several blocks, old people and children are constantly dumping there .... In general, this is not an example for Russia.
  29. stepet Offline stepet
    stepet 27 January 2021 11: 16
    -7
    In fact, the median Romanian is not the poorest in the EU.
    Here they are, the poor in the EU:

    36 Croatia 792.4%
    37 Cyprus 782.1%
    38 Estonia 676.5%
    40 Poland 613.6%
    42 Lithuania 604.4%
    46 Czech Republic 566.2%
    50 Romania 531.7%
    52 Bulgaria 514.5%
    53 Hungary 479.7%
    60 Latvia 362.4%

    The fact that for the ESovtsev a poor man, for the post-USSR, a rich man. Here is how median citizens live in the post-Soviet space:

    38 Estonia
    42 Lithuania
    60 Latvia
    76 Armenia
    78 Belarus
    80 Turkmenistan
    83 Kazakhstan
    90 Moldova
    98 Georgia
    99 Azerbaijan
    109 Russia 100.00%
    121 Kyrgyzstan
    132 Tajikistan
    143 Ukraine

    That is, contrary to mythology, the median Russian is one of the poorest in the post-USSR space.
    Why?
    Russia is a poor country. If we take into account not deposited, but profitable reserves of natural resources (all over the world it is customary to take into account ONLY such reserves), then there are very few of them in Russia, in terms of one consumer. And there is nothing else in Russia. No modern technology, no production. Even the military-industrial complex is engaged in the production of poor ersatz hails from the past.
    Besides, Russians are not mobile. They do not go to work in other countries, like their neighbors in the post-USSR. And even if they do, then they already meet, they don't come back.
    In addition, and this is a very important factor, Russia is one of the world champions in the stratification of society. Of the 171 countries surveyed, the Russian Federation took the 170th place:

    3 Belarus
    15 Moldova
    18 Turkmenistan
    21 Lithuania
    22 Tajikistan
    26 Azerbaijan
    31 Armenia
    34 Kyrgyzstan
    37 Georgia
    124 Estonia
    155 Kazakhstan
    158 Latvia
    169 Ukraine
    170 Russia

    That is, the complexity of society in the Russian Federation is simply abnormal and colossal.
    Therefore, potentially having the opportunity to live in 72nd place in the world, the median Russian lives in 109th place in the world.
    And, yes, socialism (real, that is, a social society) is now not in Sweden, but in Belarus.
    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 27 January 2021 14: 33
      +1
      Where did these false figures about "median" citizens come from? Can you use Russian words?
      1. stepet Offline stepet
        stepet 27 January 2021 14: 52
        -7
        Quote: Miffer
        Where did these false figures about "median" citizens come from?

        Credit Suisse research.
        Have you heard of this?

        Quote: Miffer
        Can you use Russian words?

        These are scientific terms.
        In Russian, they are also used.
        1. Miffer Offline Miffer
          Miffer (Sam Miffers) 27 January 2021 16: 22
          +1
          There are lies, blatant lies and statistics. Even if it's from Credit Suisse.
          What are the scientific terms? Georgia?
          I know that many Moldovans live and work in Russia. But I have not even heard that at least one Russian lived and worked in Moldova. The same goes for Armenians and Georgians. Therefore, your statistics from Credit Suisse can be wiped off, which I do.
          1. stepet Offline stepet
            stepet 27 January 2021 16: 37
            -6
            Quote: Miffer
            There are lies, blatant lies and statistics. Even if it's from Credit Suisse.

            In general, it is customary in the world to trust respected international organizations.
            But personally, you may not trust.

            Quote: Miffer
            I know that many Moldovans live and work in Russia.

            So what?
            This just suggests that the labor market in Moldova is oversaturated. Therefore, there is an export of labor force abroad. And not at all that the median Moldovan lives worse than the median Russian.

            Quote: Miffer
            But I have not even heard that at least one Russian lived and worked in Moldova.

            So what?
            This just suggests that, in general, Russians are ready to be content with a small income, just not to move from the oven. That's all.

            Quote: Miffer
            Therefore, your statistics from Credit Suisse can be wiped off, which I do.

            It is recommended to wipe with special paper. But you can also use Credit Suisse statistics. That's your business.
            1. Georg Soft Offline Georg Soft
              Georg Soft (Georg Soft) 31 January 2021 22: 38
              +3
              Trust "international" organizations? Then check their internationality. By definition, there are no objective statistics in the "Western world" regarding Russia. Here the President of the United States was hunted down, so what can we do.
              So just travel to several of the listed countries, compare, just honestly, go shopping, talk to people. Not in the tourist area. So here is my personal conclusion: a "median" Czech, and even more so a Hungarian, live worse than a "median" Russian (this is a vile word). The Austrian is better, the Greek is about the same. This is what he himself saw and said.
              We must meet more often!
  30. Ivanovich_2 Offline Ivanovich_2
    Ivanovich_2 (Sergey Protopopov) 23 February 2021 14: 29
    0
    We are just building our country. Whose are you?