Israel launched a massive attack on Deir ez-Zor


On the night of Wednesday, January 13, Israeli aircraft launched 18 powerful strikes from the Jordanian-Iraqi border against the positions of pro-Iranian forces in Deir ez-Zor in eastern Syria and in the Albukamal area, attacking the depots and combat positions of Tehran-supported troops.


Today at 1:10 am the Israeli enemy carried out an air aggression against the city of Deir ez-Zor and the Albukamal area, the results of Israel's aggressive actions are currently being evaluated

- a source in the Syrian government told Almasdarnews.

Explosions from airstrikes led to violent fires, Israeli attacks killed at least five Syrian army personnel and killed 11 pro-Iranian militias.

Although the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) did not comment on the explosions, SAR troops blamed the Israelis for the attacks.

Opposition activists often report attacks by the Israeli Air Force on Deir ez-Zor province, but these reports are often denied by the Syrian army. However, the attack last night was confirmed by Syrian troops. This is the second Israeli air attack on Syrian territory this year.
  • Photos used: Press Service of the IDF
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  1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
    Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 13: 10
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    After the United States has left the arena, Israel will be next. The guys are waiting in the wings. Bindyuzhnik, are you worried?)
    1. Cyril Online Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 14: 15
      +1
      Has the United States been drained from the arena yet?
      1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
        Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 14: 23
        +1
        Yes. Iran brought their Marines to their knees, Kim Jong-un scared at the threats and fired in the direction of Japan. Now the Chinese will return Taiwan to their home harbor, as the Russians returned Crimea to the groans of the United States - and everything will be fine. We will live until the moment - when Europe will bite the striped hand

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        Do you remember how Trump, Obama and other clowns said that Assad should leave? Snowden hangs out in Moscow and Moscow is generally parallel to the groans of Washington.

        I am not even writing about today's clowning in the USA and the upcoming march of armed radnecks

        So much for the hegemon. Yes

        And the United States has already been drained from the arena

        Well, only for Ukraine it is still hail on a hill, which cannot be contradicted. Germany and France already contradict)
        1. Cyril Online Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 16: 34
          -4
          Yes. Iran brought their Marines to their knees, Kim Jong-un scared at the threats and fired in the direction of Japan. Now the Chinese will return Taiwan to their home harbor, as the Russians returned Crimea to the groans of the United States - and everything will be fine. We will live until the moment - when Europe will bite the striped hand

          And the US Marines were periodically brought to their knees by the North Vietnamese in the 60s, and even earlier by the North Koreans and the Chinese. But this didn’t mean "hegemon's drain" :)

          Kim Jong-un could afford to "scare" exactly as long as China was behind him.

          The Russians, having returned Crimea "to the groans of the United States," gave the United States a reason to impose sanctions, and also turned away from Europe, with which more or less beneficial relations had just begun to be established.

          Well, having returned Crimea, Russia, instead of a periodically skirting, but still more or less neutral Ukraine, received a completely negatively disposed Ukraine. So the benefits of this return to home harbor are not particularly clear.

          Do you remember how Trump, Obama and other clowns said that Assad should leave?

          I remember :) Well, Assad remained formally on the throne - but what's the point?) He does not particularly control his country, it has turned into a courtyard where it is impossible to conduct normal business, nothing, there is always a war. Unless it can be used as a testing ground for weapons.

          I am not even writing about today's clowning in the USA and the upcoming march of armed radnecks

          And you're doing the right thing :)

          So much for the hegemon.

          So far, it's quite a hegemon - the stalled Nord Stream seems to be hinting at it :)
          1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
            Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 16: 35
            +1
            the stalled Nord Stream seems to hint at this :)

            bet on money that SP2 will be completed?)
            Test your faith in the hegemon?)

            Well, Assad remained formally on the throne - but what's the point?)

            wassat there was no sense in moans of vomit asking him to leave his post

            The Russians, having returned Crimea "to the groans of the United States," thereby gave the United States a reason to impose sanctions

            laughing and before that there were no sanctions? Just if you take at least a couple of days before a special operation in Crimea

            Well, having returned Crimea, Russia, instead of a periodically skittering, but still more or less neutral Ukraine, received a completely negatively disposed Ukraine

            oh my. How can Russia continue to be a Jew? wassat Well, what about Ukraine, no longer buys bacon in Rossiyushka? Maybe the light bulb is now on in Ukraine from Ukrainian cassettes in nuclear power plants? Maybe Ukraine no longer makes Christmas decorations for the Russian Army?

            At the Christmas tree decorations factory in Klavdievo-Tarasovo, Kiev region, a huge scandal is thundering. Here, as it turned out, they made jewelry for the Russian Ministry of Defense with the "Army of Russia" logo

            this is Ukraine's response to the great Russian aggression
            1. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 16: 48
              -5
              bet on money that SP2 will be completed?)

              So I am not saying that it will not be completed :) The only question is when, with what costs, which of the project participants will remain in the ranks and whether it will bring the income that Russia was counting on.

              The very fact that its construction has stalled under pressure from the Americans speaks of the degree of US influence.

              laughing and before that there were no sanctions? Crimea he is

              Before that, they (the sanctions) were not so serious. And that's just there is no need here to try to build a good face in a bad game, saying that "sanctions are in our favor" :)

              Well, what about Ukraine, isn't buying bacon anymore?

              Well, if you like to have a potential foothold in the underbelly for the deployment of enemy offensive forces, then ok, let it be only fat :)
              1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 17: 02
                +3
                The very fact that its construction has stalled under pressure from the Americans speaks of the degree of US influence.

                The United States insists not on long-term construction, but on the closure of the project. Well, the project is not closed. G is the hegemon.

                Before that, they (the sanctions) were not so serious.

                they were different. They are quite serious against the USSR. And in 12 year there was a list of Magnitsky (now a court in Switzerland decided that the case was sewn with threads)
                in general, they were sanctions before the Crimea, and they will be after.

                Regarding the usefulness - well, if it weren't for the sanctions, who knows when import substitution projects would have started (or are they like a bridge that doesn't exist?)

                Well, if you like to have a potential foothold in your underbelly for deploying enemy offensive forces

                we made our foothold there in the underbelly of Ukraine and added reliability in Crimea)

                Well, the potential for that and the potential, what if only if only - I think the humid Ukrainian patriots know where the road to the Crimea is, to conquer it?

                I mean that I often call these potential people in roulette - I have not seen there clowns who would be eager to fight with the Russian Federation) Well, hypothetically, they are of course FOR, but you yourself understand) They will continue to sit, endure the collection for viina and read on the DIALOGUE .UA that Russia is about to attack
                1. Cyril Online Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 10: 40
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                  The United States insists not on long-term construction, but on the closure of the project. Well, the project is not closed. G is the hegemon.

                  If the project is only being built constantly and does not fulfill its function due to the state of "eternal construction" - this is tantamount to its closure :)

                  Moreover, if a project is constantly being built, but not put into operation, it brings its builders much more losses than its complete closure.

                  Regarding the usefulness - well, if it weren't for the sanctions, who knows when import substitution projects would have started (or are they like a bridge that doesn't exist?)

                  I don’t know what bridge you don’t have there. As for import substitution, yes, this is a positive effect. The question is how serious this positive effect is against the background of negative ones.

                  we made our foothold there in the underbelly of Ukraine and added reliability in Crimea)

                  We had it there before - in fact, Crimea was a Russian bridgehead even in Ukraine.

                  I mean that I often call these potential people in roulette - I have not seen there clowns who would be eager to fight with the Russian Federation) Well, hypothetically, they are of course FOR, but you yourself understand) They will continue to sit, endure the collection for viina and read on the DIALOGUE .UA that Russia is about to attack

                  Do you know how many of the same couch "voenov" are sitting here on the "Reporter"?) Right now, they are ready to take a machine gun and go wet the "vile ukrov and p-and-n-d-o-s". Your own toy machine. After getting up off the couch.
                  1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                    Alexndr p (Alexander) 14 January 2021 11: 45
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                    Right now, we are ready to take a machine gun and go wet

                    well, whoever treats the oath as an oath, and does not equalize his oath to the words of a woman with reduced social responsibility - they are ready.

                    And unlike the barn - if the Kuban were taken from Russia - do you think we would call those who took it to the roulette chat and write VKontakte and whine?)
                    1. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 14: 54
                      -3
                      well, whoever treats the oath as an oath, and does not equalize his oath to the words of a woman with reduced social responsibility - they are ready.

                      And how many are ready? Lot? Few?

                      if the Kuban was taken from Russia - do you think we would call those who took it to the roulette chat and write VKontakte and whine?)

                      A lot of people would do that.
                      1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                        Alexndr p (Alexander) 14 January 2021 17: 07
                        +1
                        And how many are ready? Lot? Few?

                        as if the offenders did not want them to be few - but there are always enough of them.

                        A lot of people would do that.

                        a drug addict thinks that there are only drug addicts around, a thief thinks that there are only thieves around, and so on - this is psychology, so as not to feel like an outcast or a violator of morality and norms - I'm not the only one, everyone is like that (c)

                        until we see the opposite. And there are enough volunteers, and only on the agenda - they will get tired of counting the columns

                        Something tells me that you are Ukrainian. When I was in the army in 2008 in the Kaukaz region, not one, even the most cowardly, in the company began to whine that there was nothing to do in the war, that they did not want to die for imperial ambitions, that America made the gabunits strong, in the underbelly in the Caucasus so to speak, I dug in, no one whined that for the interests of the Kremlin they say the Mahmedas from Dagestan / KBR / Makhachkala should not die. Yes, and I have not heard this from the Russians.

                        But I feel it just you were not in my company. And so for 150 cabbage soup, everyone was ready as one. At least I have not seen wet eyes and have not heard slippery topics.

                        Maybe because almost the entire Caucasus was in the company. Or maybe you just weren't there.

                        In general, I liked then to realize that everyone as one is ready for the interests of Russia. I've seen men who are ready.
                      2. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 18: 12
                        -1
                        Something tells me that you are Ukrainian.

                        Something tells me that to draw conclusions about a person's belonging to a particular nationality, without looking at his passport, there will only be a not very smart person :)

                        a drug addict thinks that there are only drug addicts around, a thief thinks that there are only thieves around, and so on - this is psychology, so as not to feel like an outcast or a violator of morality and norms - I'm not the only one, everyone is like that (c)

                        until we see the opposite. And there are enough volunteers, and only on the agenda - they will get tired of counting the columns

                        I am not saying that ONE - I said that there are many. History speaks about the fact that such "couch warriors" are no big deal at all times and in all nations.

                        When I was in the army in 2008 in the Kaukaz region, not one, even the most cowardly, in the company began to whine that there was nothing to do in the war, that they did not want to die for imperial ambitions, that America made the gabunits strong, in the underbelly in the Caucasus so to speak, I dug in, no one whined that for the interests of the Kremlin they say the Mahmedas from Dagestan / KBR / Makhachkala should not die. Yes, and I have not heard this from the Russians.

                        You can read the history of Russian desertion in Chechnya here

                        https://topwar.ru/62470-dezertiry-v-chechne.html

                        This, of course, is about the Russian Empire, but people do not change.

                        But I feel it just you were not in my company. And so for 150 cabbage soup, everyone was ready as one.

                        I honestly served my year when the turmoil began in Crimea. I did not agree with this policy, but I carried out the orders, because I voluntarily joined the army (although I had the opportunity not to go) and took the oath.

                        In general, I liked then to realize that everyone as one is ready for the interests of Russia. I've seen men who are ready.

                        But whether these were Russia's interests - that's the question :)
                      3. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 14 January 2021 18: 26
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                        Quote: Alexander P
                        ... When I was in the army ...

                        Alexndr P, here it is somewhat more complicated, in short, in a different way, but the candy wrapper understands this perfectly and ... blah blah blah. drinks
        2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
          sgrabik (Sergei) 14 January 2021 09: 14
          +2
          There is no need to believe so much in the invincibility of the United States, while it is still power number 1, but for now, the process of de-assembly of the unipolar world system has already begun and it will only grow and expand over time !!!
          1. Cyril Online Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 10: 45
            -1
            Don't believe so much in the invincibility of the United States

            I don’t believe. I am looking at the real situation. And so far it is as you correctly said:

            it is still power number 1

            To deny this is foolish. This is not a question of admiration or adherence to the United States - it is just a matter of facts.

            You can swagger as much as you like and say - they say, everything, the hegemon fell, defeated and defeated. But this is not yet true.

            the process of de-installation of the unipolar world system has already begun and it will only grow and expand over time !!!

            Maybe. But only possible. And there has never been a strictly unipolar world - even under Yeltsin, Russia quite allowed itself to grin towards the United States and Western Europe. For example, in the same Pristina when the Americans were blocked or even earlier, during the years of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict, when they forced an American transport worker to board our airfield.
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 13 January 2021 15: 05
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    He has an alternate airfield in Odessa, where the Bandera-fascists are now held in high esteem.
  3. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 13 January 2021 15: 30
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    Quote: Alexander P
    Bindyuzhnik, are you worried?)

    Why would I care? I have other worries, thank God - yesterday I had to spend a lot of time discussing with the designer of kitchen equipment in a new house, today we will go shopping with my wife - we are waiting for guests on Friday, we need to receive and treat them properly ... then nonsense. What would you understand once and for all: the United States was and will be in the foreseeable future the strongest state on the planet, Israel is and will be the strongest state in the region. Even the most downtrodden camel drivers in the Middle East already understand these simple truths, but some, especially outstanding Russians, unfortunately, have not yet understood. Work on yourself, improve your combat and political training and you will be happy. yes
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 13 January 2021 15: 52
      +2
      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      Why would I care? I have other worries ...

      laughing



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      Riots in Ashdod on January 11, 2021



      Riots in Israel - Black Night 2019
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 13 January 2021 16: 08
        -1
        Well, where else would I see such frames? laughing
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 13 January 2021 16: 11
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          Binder, You are all in worries, there is no time to look out the window ... So I helped you, look!

          Quote: Bindyuzhnik
          Why would I care? I have other worries ...

          PS And here I am with some nonsense. laughing
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 03: 36
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            Quote: isofat
            So I helped you, look!

            So I'm saying - Big proletarian merci! good
  • Monax Offline Monax
    Monax (Hermann) 13 January 2021 13: 17
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    How long will the Syrians endure it?
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 13 January 2021 14: 15
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      Quote: Monk
      How long will the Syrians endure it?

      I myself wonder why the Syrians put up with it for so long and will not expel the Iranian aggressors from their territory! Well, if they endure, as you have deigned to express, they will receive gifts under the Christmas tree. And not only for the Old New Year. Like this time. And they won't answer. The enemy is already very formidable. And the capabilities of the legendary IDF are incomparable with the civil war-torn Syria. Once, I remember - on July 24, 1918, the Syrian SU-22 entered the airspace of the Promised Land. After 2 minutes he was shot down by an accurate hit of two Patriot missiles. The pilot, Colonel Omran Mari, was killed. Moreover, what is especially shameful for the Arabs - the plane was shot down by a crew under the command of a girl - Captain Or Naeman. For such things, instead of paradise and houris, the Arabs rely on the penalty battalion in the afterlife. No personal long-term dates. Yes, just for information: Syria, which has repeatedly committed aggression against peaceful Israel and also beaten repeatedly, is at war with the Jewish state. So the actions of the glorious Hel Aavir are legitimate.
      1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
        Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 14: 29
        +4
        nuclear parity with Iran will calm you down)

        So we wish the Iranians better quality and faster material development
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 13 January 2021 14: 39
          -1
          Quote: Alexander P
          nuclear parity with Iran will calm you down)

          So we wish the Iranians better quality and faster material development

          It's nice to deal with a literate and educated person who wrote his Nick in such a peculiar way. And even with a healthy sense of humor. I appreciated your badge (joke, smile) after your fantastic parity statement. Really funny. Iran's budget is 30 billion dollars, crumbs - Israel's -405 billion dollars. The military budget of the Persians is 13 billion dollars. (gigantic in relation to the budget) Israel - without straining - 20 billion "Where is the money Zin?" For nuclear weapons. And where will it come from in a country where, almost in the center of Tehran, the secret services of an unknown state, or simply one cotton militants are eliminating the country's most famous nuclear scientist, Fakhridzade. And before that, the leading barmaley was Suleimani.
      2. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 13 January 2021 14: 39
        -8
        I myself wonder why the Syrians put up with it for so long and will not push the Iranian aggressors out of their territory!

        Iran is the main player in Syria. Without him, Assad would have been demolished by the opposition long ago.
        Israel is unable to cancel Iran's nuclear program. And after its implementation, the eternal wanderers will have to develop new routes ...
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 13 January 2021 15: 14
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          To paraphrase V. Putin: "The Israeli people have become an eternal stop in the Promised Land." Well, and to the enemies of Israel, what can I say: "Dreaming is not harmful!" And not such tailors as you tried to sew wooden suits to Jews. Yes, that's bad luck, at the first fitting they burst at the seams. As in the Soviet time. What can we say about Iran?
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 13 January 2021 15: 22
            -5
            To paraphrase V. Putin: "The Israeli people have become an eternal stop in the Promised Land"

            a) Reference to such prophets discredits any idea.
            b) In my opinion, it is more consistent with the truth: "There is nothing more permanent than temporary structures."
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 13 January 2021 15: 54
              -3
              Quote: Uneven
              There is nothing more permanent than temporary structures

              The USSR was a temporary political structure - it was formed in 1922, disintegrated in 1991. For history, the period is insignificant. And Israel rose from oblivion after two millennia and is successfully developing, turning from a penniless rocky desert into a prosperous advanced state despite the incessant wars with numerous enemies. And a curious picture emerges - everyone who intended to destroy our country ended badly: in Egypt, instead of Nasser, who threatened to throw the Jews into the sea, a completely sane regime pursuing a political line loyal to Israel, Saddam Hussein's Iraq died, and Saddam himself was hanged, Syria, as a single state also does not exist, and the son of Hafez Assad is in power in Damascus solely on the bayonets of the interventionists. And the USSR itself, which actively supported "progressive Arab politicians", is long gone.
              Likewise, the regime of the Ayatollahs in Tehran will inevitably croak, and Israel will continue to live and prosper.
              1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 16: 05
                +2
                and Israel will continue to live and prosper.

                You could write this way if your new formation was more than years old - and if your sad state did not lose the competition with other nations and states.

                Your appearance is only the goodwill and interest of several countries. You got out and shook off the dust in the name of the interests of the same America). But Russia has not yet lost the competition. On the contrary, she broke Empires)

                And before that (how you appeared) you have already been defeated and multiplied by Zero and wiped out your state from the World Maps) As soon as those who subsidize your Armed Forces (USA) take care of their problems, the budget of your Defense Ministry will sink)

                And the budget of the RF Armed Forces does not depend on the goodwill of the donor country. As well as the supply of aircraft. And it's worthy)
                1. Cyril Online Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 16: 23
                  -4
                  your appearance is only the goodwill and interest of several countries. You got out and shook off the dust in the name of the interests of the same America)

                  You know the story badly - first of all, the creation of a new Israel was beneficial to the USSR, not the United States. Stalin counted on Israel, in which at first socialist sentiments were sooooo popular (even the portraits of Usatii hung many places), as a pro-Soviet counterbalance to the Arab countries, which were "overseen" at that time by the Americans and Arabs.

                  But Joseph made a big mistake by launching an anti-Semitic campaign against Soviet Jews in 1948. Israeli Jews, many of whom were immigrants from the USSR, did not appreciate this step.
                  1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                    Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 16: 30
                    +2
                    they got it to use it, how they can get it, for example, a gasket or some other product, for example, made of rubber. For certain purposes, undoubtedly, this product is very necessary.
                    But you yourself know what happens with used products)

                    And you're still trying to roll something on the Persians)

                    1. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 16: 52
                      -1
                      But you yourself know what happens with used products)

                      It's funny that the "used product" lives and develops beautifully, and its "creator" (USSR) ordered to live long :)

                      And you're still trying to roll something on the Persians)

                      Where am I trying to "roll on the Persians"?) I did not say anything about them at all.
                      1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                        Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 17: 08
                        +5
                        USSR - ordered to live long

                        Does it bother you that there is a different sign over Russia now?) But for me the USSR, Russia, the Russian Federation, the Russian Empire are one essence and one key ethnic group.
                        The USSR as a project was curtailed by the Russians by their strong-willed decision) And no one defeated him in the war. Yes, they did it stupidly, yes with a hint, but due to difficult economic realities - but themselves)

                        "used product" lives well and develops

                        because you did not enter into confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons. But this is a temporary topic)

                        You will not argue with me that if Israel were blocked in the same way as the Russian Federation, it would not develop now. And planes would be bought in Russia)

                        PS about the Persians, I did not notice that it was you, I thought I was writing to the binduzhnik)
                      2. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 17: 23
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                        Does it bother you that there is a different sign over Russia now?) But for me the USSR, Russia, the Russian Federation, the Russian Empire are one essence and one key ethnic group.

                        This is a different sign over the RSFSR, not over the USSR :)

                        The USSR as a project was curtailed by the Russians by their strong-willed decision) And no one defeated him in the war. Yes, they did it stupidly, yes with a hint, but due to difficult economic realities - but themselves)

                        No, not by themselves, but because the USSR in the form in which it was at that time could not exist. You shouldn't put a good face on a bad game - they say, "yes we wanted it." Didn't want to.

                        because you did not enter into confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons. But this is a temporary topic)

                        Who are "you"? :) My country - Russia - for centuries in confrontation with the "Anglo-Saxons" :)

                        But this is a temporary topic)

                        This is how Israel emerged largely against the will of Britain. And in the United States, at the time of its creation, almost all of the ruling elite were against it.

                        You will not argue with me that if Israel were blocked in the same way as the Russian Federation, it would not develop now.

                        You see, what the matter ... the very formulation of the question is incorrect. "If only" is from the realm of speculation and assumptions. The reality is this. that Israel has just successfully avoided such situations.

                        Although, however, no - in fact, the embargo on the supply of technology and weapons to him was imposed at different times by the United States, France, and Britain. But somehow this did not lead to the fact that Israel collapsed and disappeared.
                      3. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                        Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 17: 43
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                        No, not yourself

                        themselves) there is no battle after which this state ceased to exist.

                        It was an internal dispute between business entities, so to speak. Well, nobody absorbed the center. The center gave the go-ahead to the sovereignty of the outskirts, which they disposed of due to their mental abilities)

                    2. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 17: 24
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                      And planes would be bought in Russia)

                      Do you know how and as a result of what the Israeli plane "Kfir" appeared?) Read at your leisure.
                    3. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                      Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 17: 31
                      +5
                      Israeli aircraft "Kfir"

                      it is illiquid. Why about illiquid assets? A year after the start of its production, Israel began to buy f-15

                      in fact, the embargo on the supply of technology and weapons to him was imposed at different times by the United States, France, Britain

                      and at the same time - with Canada, Japan, the European Union and others?) Well, what would 80% of the world economy

                      Who are "you"? :) My country - Russia - for centuries in confrontation with the "Anglo-Saxons" :)

                      well, Israel could not do that. Not enough strength, purely objectively. And Russia can. Therefore, all these odes to the Israeli economy, for which conditionally all world markets are open, both for purchases and for re-export, including technologies with a dual purpose, are not worth singing. He is given the opportunity to do business like that.

                      Quite recently, the Turks could afford to do business in the same way - saturating their products with cooperation with other industries in other countries. But the guys are now trying to point out their place in the food chain.
                    4. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 18: 03
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                      it is illiquid. Why about illiquid assets? A year after the start of its production, Israel began to buy f-15

                      This "illiquid" was used from 1975 to 1996 and was released in more than 220 pieces :)

                      And the F-15 began to be purchased not instead of, but in addition to it. Kfir is a light fighter. Plus, if the US suddenly turned its back on Israel, the Jewish Air Force would have it. what to fight on.

                      and at the same time - with Canada, Japan, the European Union and others?) Well, what would 80% of the world economy

                      Israel came under a one-time embargo from the United States, Britain, France and the USSR. Of the leading Europeans, only the FRG stably cooperated with him. He didn't have much relationship with Japan at that time :)

                      Maybe not 80%, but that's exactly 50%. And this is taking into account the fact that, unlike Russia, Israel has no territories, no natural or human resources. So his "50% opposed" turns into the same 80%.

                      well, Israel could not do that.

                      Again "would". History knows no subjunctive mood.

                      And Russia can.

                      Is not a fact. The Russian Empire could not, the USSR could not either. Despite all its power, territory and resources.

                      He is given the opportunity to do business like that.

                      And the fact that he is given such an opportunity is precisely the merit of Israel itself.
                    5. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 13 January 2021 19: 34
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                      Cyril, if I understood you correctly, Israel does not have its own planes and never had?
                    6. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 19: 45
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                      Was - "Kfir", I wrote. There was also the Lavi project, but the Americans pushed their F-16 to Israel. Now yes, the Israelis use American planes and helicopters. Only electronics and ammunition are put on them. However, the word "only" here is not entirely correct to use, because creating avionics for the same F-35 is not a trivial task.
                    7. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 13 January 2021 19: 54
                      +2
                      To create your own aviation you need not only "brains", but also other resources.
                      Kfir is a joint development of the French company Daso with Israel.
                    8. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 20: 08
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                      To create your own aviation you need not only "brains", but also other resources.

                      Certainly.

                      Kfir is a joint development of the French company Daso with Israel.

                      Kfir is the result of "reverse engineering" by the Israelis of the French Mirage 3, the documentation of which was honestly scorched by the Jews from the French after they refused to sell them French Mirages.

                      At the same time, the design of the Mirage was completely redesigned by the Israelis so that they could completely localize the production of Kfir on their territory without resorting to the help of foreign contractors. Plus, they adapted the aircraft for their theater of operations and their military missions. In this sense, "Kfir" is completely Israeli. Although based on the design of someone else's plane.
                    9. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 13 January 2021 20: 16
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                      In this sense, he is Israeli, but without the French he would not exist. Perhaps it would have been something else, let's not guess.

                      The Jews found themselves in a difficult situation (not only they).
                    10. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 20: 18
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                      The Jews found themselves in a difficult situation (not only they).

                      Right. And we got out of it well. Not bad for a country that was only 30 years old at the time of development.
                    11. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 13 January 2021 20: 37
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                      Well, since you think that they got out, then there is nothing more to talk about. hi
                    12. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 23: 12
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                      At that time, yes, we got out. And then the alliance with the United States became reliable enough to provide itself with more powerful aircraft.
              2. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 14 January 2021 02: 26
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                Yes Yes! Well, purely completely Jewish plane, uh-huh. And the fact that the US engine was driven by the General Electric J-79-J1E and the British ejection seats Martin-Baker Mk.10 Kfir is equipped - then everything does not count and such a little pot-bellied.
              3. Cyril Online Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 02: 59
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                Well, purely completely Jewish plane, uh-huh. And the fact that there was a US engine was driven by General Electric J-79-J1E

                Yeah. But this engine was produced under license in Israel.

                I don’t know about the ejection seat, but I think that it could also have been produced by the Jews themselves.

                Well, I never said that "Kfir" is a completely Israeli development. I cited him as an example of how the Jews got out under the embargo. Moreover, in the shortest possible time.
  • Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 13 January 2021 19: 13
    -1
    Quote: Alexander P
    You could write like this if your new education was more than years old

    This "new formation" is more years old today than was the "first state of workers and peasants in the world" in 1991, when it passed away.

    Quote: Alexander P
    They took you out and shook off the dust in the name of the interests of the same America)

    Learn the materiel! laughing
  • Uneven Offline Uneven
    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 13 January 2021 18: 16
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    1)
    The USSR was a temporary political structure - it was formed in 1922, disintegrated in 1991. For history, the period is insignificant. And Israel rose from oblivion after two millennia

    Israel today would not have appeared on the world map without the permission of one of the leaders of the USSR, JV Stalin. Yes, and the inhabitants for this newly made country without the victory of the USSR in WWII would have been nowhere to take.

    2)
    all who intended to destroy our country ended badly

    a) Can you tell me - how many years did the Jews not have their own state? And where did she go?
    b) As soon as Iran receives nuclear weapons, a lot will change at BW.

    3)
    successfully developing, turning from a poor rocky desert into a prosperous advanced state

    Being sucked in by the US and scooping up handfuls from other sources is not that difficult.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 13 January 2021 19: 27
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      Quote: Uneven
      Yes, and the inhabitants for this newly made country without the victory of the USSR in WWII would have been nowhere to take.

      In World War II, the victory was won not by the USSR, but by the anti-Hitler coalition, and in the armies of all states of the coalition, Jewish servicemen fought the Nazis with honor.

      Quote: Uneven
      As soon as Iran receives nuclear weapons, a lot will change at BW.

      I have to upset you - the Persians cannot see their nuclear weapons as their own ears. We will not allow it! And also think - why Israel, which, according to experts, has long had nuclear weapons, has not yet used it against the same Iran?
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 14 January 2021 09: 38
        +1
        Here it would not hurt you to learn the materiel, do not forget the lessons of history and consider that Israel itself was reborn from the ashes that never existed, you do not need to invent non-existent facts and wishful thinking, and the person who claims that Without support from the United States, Israel means little from itself !!!
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 15: 17
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          Quote: sgrabik
          the person who claims that without the support of the United States, Israel means little from itself !!!

          You and that person are still great experts in international politics. lol
        2. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 14 January 2021 15: 58
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          sgrabik... Even historians do not know enough about ancient Israel, there are more legends, myths and religious tales, little science.

          One of the tales says that God gave them, the ancient people of Israel, this land. Note that he gave it to that ancient people, and not to these modern crooks.

          But then, as everyone knows, God took her. God gave, God took. And this all happened a long time ago. A long time ago.
          Almost three thousand years have passed since those events, and what do we see?

          There are crooks who call this land their historical homeland. In other words, they claim that distant (three thousand years have passed) relatives and claim inheritance.
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 January 2021 12: 42
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            Quote: isofat
            sgrabik... Even historians do not know enough about ancient Israel, there are more legends, myths and religious tales, little science.

            One of the tales says that God gave them, the ancient people of Israel, this land. Note that he gave it to that ancient people, and not to these modern crooks.

            But then, as everyone knows, God took her. God gave, God took. And this all happened a long time ago. A long time ago.
            Almost three thousand years have passed since those events, and what do we see?

            There are crooks who call this land their historical homeland. In other words, they claim that distant (three thousand years have passed) relatives and claim inheritance.

            First of all, not three thousand years have passed since the destruction of the second temple, but less than two thousand years. And the concept of time and space was invented by mortals. For comfort . No more. Neither one nor the other exists as a given. For example, the length and weight in different countries have completely different parameters. As well as time. Take a look at the timing of Muslims, Christian Buddhists. It is different everywhere. Therefore, your argument that allegedly 3000 years have passed since the expulsion of the Jews by the Romans does not correspond to reality.
            In Israel, during archaeological excavations, they found full confirmation of all the historical events that are set forth in the Torah. Which Christians call the Old Testament. And it is recognized by the way, as an integral part of the Bible. The Jews, being cut off from the influence of any other culture in the ghetto, until the middle of the 19th century, and in Russia until 1917, completely preserved Hebrew as a language of worship, culture, common history, customs and traditions. The Jewish presence on the territory of modern Israel has never stopped. And the Jews have always been the majority there. In addition to them, a small number of Bedouins lived in this territory, who did not consider themselves and now do not consider themselves Arabs. Read Berlandi's report to the Pope, M. Twain's documentary notes: "Simpletons Abroad". What are the modern Jews "distant relatives" of the ancient Jews?
            These are their direct descendants.
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 15 January 2021 12: 54
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            Quote: Rogue1812
            ... And the concept of time and space was invented by mortals ...
            ... Neither one nor the other exists as a given ...

            So don't pretend to be space, give it up. He's not there anyway. laughing

            Quote: Rogue1812
            What are the modern Jews "distant relatives" of the ancient Jews? These are their direct descendants.

            What is correct Jewish Ethiopians or Ethiopian Jews?

            PS By the way, you will not take citizen Tsivin, otherwise his presence has a detrimental effect on the real estate of the Batalov family.
    2. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 11: 49
      -2
      In World War II, the victory was won not by the USSR, but by the anti-Hitler coalition, and in the armies of all states of the coalition, Jewish servicemen fought the Nazis with honor.

      a) Do you think that the "coalition" would have dealt with Germany without the USSR?
      b) Theoretically, the USSR could unite with Germany and then the fate of the world would be a foregone conclusion. Stalin's merit also lies in the fact that he did not follow this path.
      c) Read: "Hitler's Jewish soldiers" https://nvo.ng.ru/history/2002-09-20/5_gitler.html
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 15: 36
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        Quote: Uneven
        Do you think that the "coalition" would have dealt with Germany without the USSR?

        I believe that the USSR would not have coped with Germany without allies. And I also think that without the USSR, Hitler would not have come to power.

        Quote: Uneven
        Theoretically, the USSR could unite with Germany and then the fate of the world would be a foregone conclusion. Stalin's merit also lies in the fact that he did not follow this path.

        There is no particular merit here - Stalin, like Hitler, understood that two bears do not live in the same den.

        Quote: Uneven
        Read: "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"

        Read this nonsense yourself, my dear man. bully
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 17: 53
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          1)
          I believe that the USSR would not have coped with Germany without allies

          Whether this is true or not is a moot point. But the fact that without the USSR the "allies" would have lost to Hitler's "axis" is obvious.

          2)
          And I also think that without the USSR, Hitler would not have come to power.

          This fresh claim clearly requires substantiation.

          3)
          There is no particular merit here - Stalin, like Hitler, understood that two bears do not live in the same den.

          Before their own showdown, they would have had time to "master" and divide the rest of the world. Perhaps at this stage they would have stopped.

          4)
          Read this nonsense yourself, my dear man

          "Nonsense" is when they turn their backs on facts and pretend that they do not see them.
          By the way, the cooperation of the German Nazis with the Zionists and their contribution to the building of Israel is a very interesting topic ...
        2. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 18: 23
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          Quote: Uneven
          This fresh claim clearly requires substantiation.

          Please - just the facts: Hitler and his party could not have won a majority in the 1933 elections. and come to power if they were opposed by a single pre-election bloc of communists and social democrats. However, from Moscow came the ban of the German Communist Party to block with the Social Democrats - as a result, the Third Reich was born.

          Quote: Uneven
          "Nonsense" is when they turn their backs on facts and pretend that they do not see them.

          Quite right! Let's turn to the facts before - at the time the Nazis came to power in Germany, there were about half a million Jews. In that utterly false book, which is mentioned above, it is said that 150000 Jewish soldiers served in the Wehrmacht. It was simply impossible to recruit such a number of men of draft age who were fit to serve in the army from the total number of Jews in Germany, even if all males from 18 to 55 years old, without exception, went to serve. There are draft standards - take an interest. No.
        3. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 18: 36
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          1)
          However, a ban came from Moscow

          In Germany, after Versailles, there was a demand from the whole society for revenge. Revanchists would come to power anyway. And it would clearly not be leftists.

          2) The armies of the 3rd Reich were recruited from most of Europe.
        4. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 21: 05
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          Quote: Uneven
          The armies of the 3rd Reich were recruited from most of Europe.

          No need to shaggy grandma! - as the late M. Zadornov said. stop In that little book, it was about the Wehrmacht, however, in the armies of the allies of the Reich, there were no Jews either, except for Finland, where Jews were not at all subjected to persecution and oppression, but had all civil rights. Moreover, in Hungary, citizens of Jewish origin were forcibly mobilized into economic units, using them unarmed for heavy physical labor.
        5. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 21: 40
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          Don't you believe the leading Israeli newspaper?
        6. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 21: 51
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          Not everything in Israeli newspapers is trustworthy either.
        7. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 22: 01
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          And what was the point of "Vesti" lying on this topic?
        8. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 22: 12
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          Lord, you call this pathetic newspaper Vesti the leading Israeli newspaper! Yes, no one reads it at all except a pitiful handful of senile pensioners, former residents of a thread of Berdichev-Gomel. lol
        9. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 22: 14
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          Explain why I should trust you more than information in Wikipedia?
        10. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 22: 17
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          Because I am on the spot more fully possess information than the author of Wikipedia.
        11. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 22: 22
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          You have not convinced me. Great things are seen at a distance. It is difficult for one person to grasp and generalize information about large-scale processes and phenomena. It is difficult to do without specialists.
        12. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 22: 30
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          I do not pretend to be absolute, my opinion is subjective, however, as for the Russian-language press in Israel, its level was initially very low, and today, when the need for it is available only for a constantly decreasing, due to natural reasons, a handful of Russian-speaking citizens of a very elderly age , he collapsed altogether.
    3. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 January 2021 01: 37
      +1
      Quote: Uneven
      Explain why I should trust you more than information in Wikipedia?

      In the Hitlerite army, according to documentary data, Jews really served - mishling, that is, persons with mixed blood. It's true. Just not 150000 soldiers, but a little less: three people.
      All of them are known by surname:
      1. Morris. Hitler's personal driver. When Morris entered the marriage, the SS made the required check, it turned out that he had Jewish blood. Hitler personally issued a written order that an exception is made in this and only in this single case. And Morris continued his service.
      2. Werner Goldberg half-breed. His Jewish father was baptized into Lutheranism before the birth of his son. Mother is German. Golberg served in the Reichswehr in the infantry from 1938-1940. After Hitler issued a decree in October 1940 banning half-breeds of Jews from serving in the Reichswehr, he was dismissed from service.
      3. Field Marshal Milch. Father is a Jewish banker, mother is a German baroness. After it became known that Milch was a half-breed, Goering, his immediate superior, falsified Milch's birth documents. According to them, Milch's father was impotent, and Milch is the illegitimate son of a German count who died at the time of the check. Goering later joked that he had made Milch out of it. And he said about Milch that he himself decides who his Jew is.
      Based on the pre-war Nuremberg Laws and the decision of the 1942 Wannsee Conference, Jews were not recognized as citizens of the Reich and had no right to serve in the army as non-citizens and Jews. Pick up the text of the laws to which I referred and see for yourself ... With regards to the Finnish Jews who served in the Finnish army. Two officers of them, for their bravery in battles, were awarded by Nazi Germany with the military award - the knight's cross. Both categorically refused to accept it from the Nazis ... Your personal dislike for Jews and Israel prompted you to take a knowingly losing position in the dispute with Bindyuzhnik. I just added to his arguments.
  • Uneven Offline Uneven
    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 12: 11
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    I have to upset you - the Persians cannot see their nuclear weapons as their own ears. We won't let you! And also think - why Israel, which, according to experts, has long had nuclear weapons, has not yet used it against Iran?

    1) Israel will certainly put a spoke in its wheels, but it cannot prevent Iran from resolving this issue.
    2) Israel does not use nuclear weapons for one simple reason - it absolutely does not need unnecessary problems.
  • Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 19: 51
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    Israel today would not have appeared on the world map without the permission of one of the leaders of the USSR, JV Stalin.

    Incorrect. The preconditions for the formation of an independent Israel were in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, long before the Mustached Manager. The fact that Stalin (and Truman) accelerated this process - yes, of course. But to say that they "created" or "allowed to create" Israel is incorrect.

    b) As soon as Iran receives nuclear weapons, a lot will change at BW.

    Yes. It will become much, much more dangerous.

    Being sucked in by the US and scooping up handfuls from other sources is not that difficult.

    You also need to know how to use the sources of money and technology. Israel cannot produce many things on its own, taking into account the fact that it has no resources - the country there is no bigger than the Moscow region. Therefore, naturally, they have to partially buy both resources and technologies.

    Nevertheless, having neither territory nor resources (natural and human), Israel manages to be a developed state.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 12: 02
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      1)
      The prerequisites for the formation of an independent Israel were back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries

      a) Do you feel the difference between "premises" and "historical fact"?
      b) "Premises" are not always correct.
      (c) The term "premise" also includes "case".
      For the "preconditions" to turn into "historical fact", other components are needed.
      In this case, Israel would not have taken place without Stalin's position.

      2)
      Nevertheless, having neither territory nor resources (natural and human), Israel manages to be a developed state.

      You can't take that away from him.
  • sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 14 January 2021 10: 10
    +1
    You don't have to be so confident and categorical, time will show who will be able to survive and will prosper, and who will inevitably croak !!!
  • Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 13 January 2021 19: 02
    +1
    Khmelnitsky, Bandera, Hitler were apparently not aware of Jewish exclusivity ... without wooden suits they threw into the pits.
    1. Cyril Online Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 20: 21
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      khmelnitsky, bandera, hitler

      Somehow you forgot to mention Nicholas II and Comrade Stalin in this row.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 13 January 2021 20: 24
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        Nicholas II chased Jews down the street with a stick? did not hear.
        1. Cyril Online Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 20: 26
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          Nicholas II encouraged the activities of the Black Hundreds - and they were already driving the Jews with a stick.

          Hitler also drove the concentration camp prisoners into the gas chambers not with his own hand.
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 13 January 2021 20: 40
            -1
            The Black Hundreds trace their origins to the lower Nizhny Novgorod militia of the Time of Troubles, led by Kuzma Minin

            And why did they love the Khazars, who drowned Russia in blood?
            1. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 13 January 2021 23: 05
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              And why did they love the Khazars, who drowned Russia in blood?

              Somehow you forgot about such a maaaaaaa small fact that False Dmitry the First was supported by both the Boyar Duma, which consisted of the Russian aristocracy, and the people :)

              And if the people are still okay, they can be forgiven for being deceived and took False Dmitry for the real heir of the Rurikovichs, then do not make the Boyar Duma oligophrenics.

              And even after False Dmitry's deception was revealed, and he himself was publicly executed, in Moscow and other cities of Russia he had so many supporters that False Dmitry II easily assembled an army for a campaign against Moscow.

              But, of course, only the "Khazars" and "psheki" are to blame for the Troubles.

              However, which is characteristic, despite your dislike for the "Khazar", you were somehow ashamed to attribute Nicholas II and Stalin to the number of those who persecuted the Jews.
              1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                Just a cat (Bayun) 14 January 2021 08: 12
                -1
                Boyars killed the people (a third of the population of Russia) or the natives of the Khazars, the Cossacks? Nicholas II and Stalin no more persecuted Jews than Putin did gay. In total, one hundred Jews are attributed to the black hundred, and then it happened in dill, and the leadership of the black hundred did not support it. And Stalin only felled the Jews of Ukrainian origin Trotsky and Zinoviev .... laughing
              2. Cyril Online Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 11: 02
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                The boyars killed the people (a third of the population of Russia) or the natives of the Khazars, the Cossacks?

                Ooooh, Boyars kept their population in general in slaves. Specifically, in the Time of Troubles, one part of the people (which is for the False Dmitry) with passion soaked another part of the people (which was against). And do not tell me the fairy tales that for False Dmitry in the front ranks were completely "Khazars and psheks."

                In total, one hundred Jews are attributed to the black hundred, and then it happened in dill, and the leadership of the black hundred did not support this.

                Ah, well, yes, well, yes ... "the authorities did not know, these are all excesses on the ground," yeah.

                Kutaisi, Gomel, Kishinev, Makariev (Nizhny Novgorod province), Irkutsk, Krasnoyarsk - is this also "dill"?

                In total, a hundred pieces of Jews are attributed to the black hundred

                In your parallel universe, there may be "only 100 Jews".

                And Stalin only felled the Jews of Ukrainian origin Trotsky and Zinoviev ...

                Yeah, yeah ... the doctors' business, "the fight against rootless cosmopolitanism", the destruction of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee - these were, of course, children's matinees. Soviet era events, huh?
              3. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                Just a cat (Bayun) 14 January 2021 11: 18
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                Should I cry for the Jews? You won't wait. Nobody else is chased like that and probably for a reason. And I feel as sorry for those who fell for the fairy tales of "false Dmitry" as for the Ukrainians who galloped for a cookie laughing but non-workers now laughing laughing laughing Israel is not part of Russia and Russia is not the homeland of Jews, so you know where to go. Before the camels you will swing the rights !!! Maybe Hitler was only to blame for the fact that Vlasov went over to his side? Is the war on the territory of the USSR just a struggle against Stalin's "tyranny"?
  • sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 14 January 2021 09: 33
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    What an absurd nonsense you wrote here, though you yourself understood it, Arabs and Arabs are at war, and "peaceful" Israel, constantly bombing and firing missiles on the territory of Syria and Iraq, is just an innocent sheep and an angel in the flesh, which is forced by all means to defend against bloodthirsty Arab neighbors - you are just talking nonsense, and be careful with the dates, on July 24, 1918, such events simply could not happen !!!
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 13 January 2021 14: 51
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    Quote: Alexander P
    Yes. Iran brought their Marines to their knees, Kim Jong-un scared at the threats and fired in the direction of Japan. Now the Chinese will return Taiwan to their home harbor, as the Russians returned Crimea to the groans of the United States - and everything will be fine. We will live until the moment - when Europe will bite the striped hand

    Engie Delays Signing $ XNUMX Billion Contract To Buy Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) From American NextDecade

    Do you remember how Trump, Obama and other clowns said that Assad should leave? Snowden hangs out in Moscow and Moscow is generally parallel to the groans of Washington.

    I am not even writing about today's clowning in the USA and the upcoming march of armed radnecks

    So much for the hegemon. Yes

    And the United States has already been drained from the arena

    Well, only for Ukraine it is still a hail on a hill, which cannot be contradicted. Germany and France already contradict)

    The logic of a not very smart person, to say the least ....
    To illustrate your logic -
    Russia has already been drained! Turks shoot down Russian planes, shoot Russian ambassadors! Russia, with its tail between its legs, knelt in front of Erdogan and so that he would not offend her, they sold the S-400 to Turkey (for their own money) ...
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 15: 54
      +2
      Is Russia a hegemon equal to the United States? Sets conditions for most of the countries in the world, on which more and more countries of the world are putting a bolt?

      Russia takes Crimea, and the whole world swallows) That's enough. Including the Turks consider Crimea their own, but they also swallowed it. They also buy gas by pumping the Russian army. They will also pay for electricity .. Just like the sad tribe of Ukrainians - who are put into their heads from the screen about the war and defeated Russia - and TVELs, fat and diesel from the aggressor's country are bought, patient)

      PS Russia is still building a nuclear power plant to the Turks) $ 20 billion was issued a loan. Torn to shreds) Against this background, 2,5 billion for air defense is just another successful deal

      Russia with tail between legs knelt in front of Erdogan

      to turn his tail between his legs is to surrender national interests? Or not start a war with the Turks?

      PS The killer of the pilot served his time (he could have done more, of course), and the killer of the ambassador was shot by the Turks themselves, like a pissing dog. And now about your logic)

      The logic of a not very smart person, to say the least ....

      The Turks killed the ambassador and the Turks killed the ambassador's killer. How does your logic get along with that?)
      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 13 January 2021 20: 30
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        Russia takes Crimea, and the whole world swallows) That's enough. Including the Turks consider Crimea their own, but they also swallowed it. They also buy gas, pumping the Russian army

        a) NATO got Ukraine. Russia, on the other hand, was content with a suitcase without a handle - Crimea, strategically surrounded, with an area of ​​4.5% of the territory of Ukraine, a subsidized region with a bunch of problems. Russia paid $ 250 billion to keep Ukraine in its orbit. And "did not shmogla". For comparison, the United States spent $ 5 billion on the acquisition of Ukraine.

        b) Turkey forced Russia to abandon plans to build 4 branches of the Turkish Stream, imposing its will on it in Syria. As a result, Gazprom's wish to abandon Ukrainian transit failed. Ukraine bent Russia under a transit agreement, according to which Russia was obliged to pay for transit regardless of the amount of gas pumped. In addition, Russia paid out $ 3 billion to Ukraine.
        Turkey extinguishes Russia in Libya and feels at ease in the Caucasus. It imposes its own terms on the S-400 deal on Russia.
        This is about the effectiveness of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation.
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 13 January 2021 23: 10
          +3
          NATO got Ukraine. Russia, however, was content with a suitcase without a handle - Crimea, which is strategically surrounded with an area of ​​4.5% of the territory.

          Apart from the excellent resort area, Russia from Crimea controls the entire Black Sea and a little further.
          What NATO recognizes, but apparently you do not know.

          Turkey forced Russia to abandon plans to build 4 branches of the Turkish Stream, imposing its will on it in Syria.

          Why not 16 branches?
          To nonsense so to nonsense ...

          Turkey has remained in Syria stub of Idlib and the Kurdish lands that they gnawed off,dropping below the US plinth.
          You will deny that the Kurds were overseen by the United States and not Russia ??
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 03: 57
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            Quote: Ulysses
            Apart from the excellent resort area, Russia from Crimea controls the entire Black Sea and a little further.

            As a result of a shortage of fresh water, this excellent resort area is rapidly turning into arid lands and the Russian Federation cannot do anything about it. And about the control of the Black Sea is said funny lol - the entire Black Sea coast is either NATO territory (Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey), or the territory of Ukraine and Georgia aspiring to become members of this bloc. Anywhere along this coast, NATO troops are at home. yes

            Quote: Ulysses
            In Syria, Turkey has a stub of Idlib and Kurdish lands

            If Ankara decided to occupy Syria in its current position, the task would be solved within 10-15 days without any problems. But why does Erdogan need this hemorrhoid?
          2. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 January 2021 11: 33
            -1
            1)
            Apart from the excellent resort area, Russia from Crimea controls the entire Black Sea and a little further.

            Do you understand the meaning of the term "control"?
            How exactly in the current conditions is the Russian Federation able to technically "control the entire Black Sea and a little further"?

            2)
            In Syria, Turkey was left with a stub of Idlib and the Kurdish lands, which they gnawed off, lowering the United States below the baseboard.
            You will deny that the Kurds were overseen by the United States and not Russia ??

            Firstly, I DIDN'T STAY. Turkey has recaptured Syrian territories along its southern border. All actions of the Turkish army were coordinated with the United States. The Americans solved some of their local issues with the Kurds, but there was no question of a strong alliance with them.
      2. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 03: 43
        -1
        Quote: Alexander P
        Russia takes Crimea, and the whole world swallows) That's enough.

        In the 90s, when the Armenians grabbed a piece of Azerbaijan, they also believed that "the whole world is swallowing." However, as life shows, the mistake came out ... bully
        1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
          sgrabik (Sergei) 14 January 2021 09: 52
          +3
          Well, it’s not at all correct to compare Armenia and Russia, you know very well what will happen to those who try to take Crimea away from Russia in any way, even for the United States the consequences of such rash steps will be the most negative, I’m not talking about Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and even Turkey, the capabilities of our army allow us to destroy the armies and navies of these sixes in a few hours and without using our nuclear potential !!!
          1. Cyril Online Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 10: 47
            -1
            It can only happen that Russia itself will give up this very Crimea or will clatter with it according to the principle:

            mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus
            1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
              sgrabik (Sergei) 14 January 2021 10: 56
              +3
              Well, this is unlikely, no one should hope for this, we have already invested large enough funds in Crimea not at all in order to give it to someone later, let's rely on logic, and not on delusional fantasies and someone's wishlist !!!
              1. Cyril Online Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 11: 05
                -1
                we have already invested large enough funds in Crimea not at all in order to give it to someone later

                Well, Duc at one time and the RSFSR invested a lot in it, which did not prevent it from being given to Ukraine later.
          2. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 14 January 2021 15: 49
            -1
            Quote: sgrabik
            the capabilities of our army make it possible to destroy the armies and navies of these sixes in a few hours and without using our nuclear potential !!

            Do not flatter yourself, in a war with conventional types of weapons, the RF Armed Forces have no advantages over NATO.
    2. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 January 2021 16: 47
      +2
      PS Turks also sent a hegemon with his convincing requests for air defense, by the way. Here is such a hegemon, darned)
  • oderih Offline oderih
    oderih (Alex) 14 January 2021 03: 42
    +2
    I liked the presentation of the kitchen from the binyuzhnik. "Kfira" is not that. We are waiting for the presentation of Jewish kitchen harvesters. Wow!
  • Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 January 2021 21: 33
    +1
    Quote: isofat
    Quote: Rogue1812
    ... And the concept of time and space was invented by mortals ...
    ... Neither one nor the other exists as a given ...

    So don't pretend to be space, give it up. He's not there anyway. laughing

    Quote: Rogue1812
    What are the modern Jews "distant relatives" of the ancient Jews? These are their direct descendants.

    What is correct Jewish Ethiopians or Ethiopian Jews?

    PS By the way, you will not take citizen Tsivin, otherwise his presence has a detrimental effect on the real estate of the Batalov family.

    This is small Hobotov. Because demagoguery. Ethiopian Jews are Falash, who, like the Indian Jews of Bnei Menashe, are not ethnic Jews. They are few of the others who converted to Judaism. As we will say in the 19th century, this was done by purebred ethnic Russians from subbotniks. So no need to juggle. Or else, agree that Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin is a descendant of Abram Hannibal - of Jewish blood. And you shouldn't be flattering: space and territory are two big differences. As we say Crimea: before and after.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 January 2021 22: 50
      -1
      Quote: Rogue1812
      This is small Hobotov. Because demagoguery.

      Tramp1812... I am not Hobotov and not a demagogue. You just have nothing more to answer.

      And about time and space ... it's not me, you were like a nightingale, they say, neither one nor the other exists, as a given. Now it turns out there is.

      Good night.