Coronavirus destroys Merkel rating: Chancellor calls Russian President


Coronavirus is raging in Germany, and its scale casts a shadow on political the appearance of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel. The hard lockdown measures have been extended in Germany until the end of January. In this situation, Merkel calls Putin, hoping for a joint Russian-German vaccine production. The difficult political realities in Germany amid the rampant pandemic are reported by the German media.


The total number of people affected by the disease in Germany reached 1,8 million, which is a lot for an 81 million country, and in one day on January 6, 19 people died from COVID-1019. Restrictions on contacts between people, as well as on long-distance travel, are being tightened.

Despite the measures taken, the FRG government increasingly comes under harsh criticism from political opponents and local media. Thus, the coronavirus is practically destroying the political rating of Angela Merkel.

As with the total loss of control in the migration crisis in 2015, the federal government and the chancellor once again demonstrate striking weakness in overcoming national crises.

- writes the editor-in-chief of Die Welt Ulf Poshard.

According to the editor-in-chief of the publication, there is a shortage of covid vaccine in German hospitals. In this regard, the information about telephone conversations between Angela Merkel and Russian President Vladimir Putin sounds encouraging, during which the leaders of the two countries discussed the possibility of joint production of a medicine for coronavirus.

Issues of cooperation in combating the coronavirus pandemic were discussed, with an emphasis on possible prospects for joint production of vaccines

- emphasized in the message of the Kremlin.
  • Used photos: kremlin.ru
50 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 8 January 2021 17: 51
    0
    In this situation, Merkel calls Putin,

    Why not amerikosiya to its new owner?
  2. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 17: 55
    -3
    Some kind of ridiculous note, a mixture of real problems and speculation. In 2021, 1,5 billion GERMAN BP vaccine will be produced, and there is also Modern and Astra with their hundreds of millions. Russia plans to produce in six months ... 30 million. By the end of the month the number of vaccinated Germans will be equal to the number of vaccinated Russians. Yes, this is a modest start for the country with the most advanced vaccine today, but for sure, Germany does not need help from Russia, which even this year will not be able to provide itself. Germany began vaccination with people over 80, and people with disabilities, and this is fraught with certain difficulties, this is not the vaccination of tankers and sailors. Let's look at the situation in a couple of months.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 18: 37
      +4
      In 2021, 1,5 billion GERMAN BP vaccine will be produced, and there is also Modern and Astra with their hundreds of millions. Russia plans to produce in six months ... 30 million. By the end of the month the number of vaccinated Germans will be equal to the number of vaccinated Russians. Yes, this is a modest start for today for the country with the most advanced vaccine, but for sure,

      Yes, her .. there is also not so simple.)
      So far, the score is measured in a couple of hundred thousand .. there is no talk of billions, and so far it cannot be in principle. The German vaccine has its own problems. To release it, it will be released, but how can it be stored later? And for vaccination, stationary centers with trained personnel are needed. All this limits this good vaccine in terms of mass production. Therefore, it is not very realistic to produce it for future use. The Germans also order vaccines for themselves from other manufacturers (along the way, of course).
    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 8 January 2021 20: 23
      +2
      Duck she asked, or in Germany they inject where they need to, maybe in another place they need to inject something else?
  3. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 18: 19
    0
    Quote: Athenogen
    In this situation, Merkel calls Putin,

    Why not amerikosiya to its new owner?

    Do you seriously believe that Merkel asked for help with a vaccine?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 18: 43
      +3
      Do you seriously believe that Merkel asked for help with a vaccine?

      Yes, they called up:
      https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/119871/Putin-und-Merkel-diskutieren-ueber-gemeinsame-Impfstoffproduktion
    2. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
      Afinogen (Afinogen) 8 January 2021 20: 09
      +3
      Well, I can’t say that, because I don’t know for sure myself, but hypothetically it is possible. When things get worse and worse, you will grab every opportunity.
  4. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 18: 52
    -3
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    ... Do you seriously believe that Merkel asked for help with a vaccine?

    Yes, they called up:
    https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/119871/Putin-und-Merkel-diskutieren-ueber-gemeinsame-Impfstoffproduktion

    Phoned - a fact! Merkel asked for help - speculation. More precisely the speculation of journalists. It was about expanding cooperation. At best, this is maintaining contacts at some minimum acceptable level of cooperation, at worst - a polite form of appeal - let's live together, no more.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 19: 02
      +3
      Merkel asked for help - speculation. More precisely the speculation of journalists. It was about expanding cooperation. In the best case, it is maintaining contacts at some minimum acceptable level of cooperation,

      Well, since this detail is so important to you, then maybe.)
      Nobody will tell the whole truth. Politicians of this rank care about preserving each other's faces (and each his own).
      In principle, speculation by journalists is allowed. The headline should spark interest.)
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 8 January 2021 19: 15
      +6
      Alexzn... Your interpretation of this fact is in no way better than the explanation proposed by journalists.
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 8 January 2021 19: 45
      +4
      Phoned - a fact! Merkel asked for help - speculation. More precisely the speculation of journalists. It was about expanding cooperation.

      You mean she offered her vaccine? winked
  5. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 19: 08
    -6
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    In 2021, 1,5 billion GERMAN BP vaccine will be produced, and there is also Modern and Astra with their hundreds of millions. Russia plans to produce in six months ... 30 million. By the end of the month the number of vaccinated Germans will be equal to the number of vaccinated Russians. Yes, this is a modest start for today for the country with the most advanced vaccine, but for sure,

    Yes, her .. there is also not so simple.)
    So far, the score is measured in a couple of hundred thousand .. there is no talk of billions, and so far it cannot be in principle. The German vaccine has its own problems. To release it, it will be released, but how can it be stored later? And for vaccination, stationary centers with trained personnel are needed. All this limits this good vaccine in terms of mass production. Therefore, it is not very realistic to produce it for future use. The Germans also order vaccines for themselves from other manufacturers (along the way, of course).

    In England, she ALREADY vaccinated 1,5 million people, in Israel 2 million. In the EU, the number of vaccinated has exceeded 10 million. By March, Israel will reach the level of herd immunity.
    The EU is guaranteed to receive 2 billion doses this year.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 8 January 2021 19: 23
      +4
      Of course, as a commercial project, the Pfizer vaccine is excellent: a huge portfolio of orders obtained through pressure on countries with weakened sovereignty, a high price - $ 40 per person (two injections). Therefore, in commercial terms, the Russian Sputnik V, developed by an institute with colossal experience on the basis of adenoviruses known since the 1950s and twice as cheap, certainly loses. And if, as Hancock says (and not only him), the Pfizer vaccine is required twice a year versus once every two years for Sputnik ... well, what are we talking about.

      Another death from the Pfizer vaccine. Now he is a 56-year-old US doctor who led a healthy lifestyle and died of a cerebral hemorrhage after being vaccinated. The press service of Pfizer has already stated that they do not see a direct connection between the vaccine and the death of a physician. Likewise, they see no connection to deaths in Norway, Portugal, Switzerland and Israel.

      Meanwhile, on the eve, much more significant news passed unnoticed (due to the unrest in the United States). UK Health Minister Matt Hancock said it is not known how long the effect of the vaccine will last, and people may have to be vaccinated every six months. We are also talking about the Pfizer vaccine. Hancock's words exactly repeat what was said at the beginning of December by the head of the Gamaleya Center, Alexander Gunzburg: "Based on the general mechanism of action of such drugs ... the protection period will not be more than four, at most five months."
    2. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 19: 33
      +4
      In England, she has ALREADY vaccinated 1,5 million people, in Israel 2 million.In the EU, the number of vaccinated people has exceeded 10 million.

      Well, I haven't seen any information with numbers yet. I will look. But the fact that more is vaccinated in England than in Germany is logical. The British gave the German vaccine permission earlier than the Germans themselves. That is, they made the decision at their own peril and risk. This is their right.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 01: 43
        0
        There is always a place for feat in life ...
        1. Dear sofa expert. 9 January 2021 01: 49
          +1
          There is always room for exploit in life

          I'd take a chance too.)
          1. Mantrid Machina Offline Mantrid Machina
            Mantrid Machina (Mantrid Machina) 9 January 2021 10: 36
            0
            And I refused to be vaccinated even though I am "in the first line of vaccination" by those medical workers. I have already had the virus, so vaccination is unnecessary. Yes, and my doctor told me: "Do you want my honest and unbiased opinion? - while you should not be vaccinated with these untested vaccines", and given the fact what problems I experienced after being vaccinated against seasonal tick-borne encephalitis, I will not do it at all. But this is not a guide to action, but a personal matter for everyone.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 9 January 2021 15: 24
              +2
              But this is not a guide to action, but a personal matter for everyone.

              Yes exactly. Each of us has the right to make the most acceptable decision for himself. But here we are dealing with a new disease for which there is no adequate treatment yet. Therefore, vaccination for many is at least some chance.
    3. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 19: 46
      +4
      In England, she ALREADY vaccinated 1,5 million people

      I found the following information in England:
      Today: 800 thousand doses have been purchased. this is for 400 thousand people. This is not small, but still not the 1,5 million you indicated.
      In total, England has ordered 40 million vaccines. (for 20 million people)

      By March, Israel will reach the level of herd immunity.

      Herd immunity to coronavirus has not yet been scientifically proven (there are doubts). So there is no point in talking about this yet.

      The EU is guaranteed to receive 2 billion doses this year.

      Each of them has 4 doses?))) Why waste time on trifles, let's just 10 for each European.)
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 20: 02
        -2
        Prime Minister Boris Johnson said that 1,5 million people have been vaccinated since the beginning of last month. But in the next five weeks, more than 13 million people will need the shots. And the UK's chief medical adviser, Professor Chris Whitty, called the schedule "realistic but challenging."

        https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833
        Herd immunity is a probabilistic thing, like the vaccine itself, which we are still talking about.
        Yes, the EU ordered 4 (2x2), Canada generally ordered 5. We do not know when a repeat vaccination will be required. Israel by the end of the month will already have from 6 to 8 million.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 20: 15
          +4
          Herd immunity is a probabilistic thing, like the vaccine itself, which we are still talking about.
          Yes, the EU ordered 4 (2x2), Canada generally ordered 5. We do not know when a repeat vaccination will be required.

          Do you feel the contradiction between your first paragraph and the second?)

          You do not know when a repetition of vaccinations is required, but already competently declare herd immunity! )
          This is class!))
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 9 January 2021 15: 19
          0
          Rashid116do not hesitate, Jews are people like everyone else.
          1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
            Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 January 2021 15: 23
            +1
            isofat, I will not argue. But they should be far from their herd, alone the nicest people, like our southern ones.
          2. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
            Rashid116 (Rashid) 9 January 2021 15: 31
            0
            isofat, but about those that are here, I have already drawn conclusions. They constantly whistle, for which they were caught repeatedly. What did the cart about 400-500 million Russians cost, under the leadership of the Jews, of course))). We conquer the whole world, with our blood, of course, they only lead. And there he was generally carried away-spaceships plowing the vastness of the universe))). I don’t remember which of the three Jews posted this, didn’t read it?
  6. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 19: 11
    -6
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Merkel asked for help - speculation. More precisely the speculation of journalists. It was about expanding cooperation. In the best case, it is maintaining contacts at some minimum acceptable level of cooperation,

    Well, since this detail is so important to you, then maybe.)
    Nobody will tell the whole truth. Politicians of this rank care about preserving each other's faces (and each his own).
    In principle, speculation by journalists is allowed. The headline should spark interest.)

    This is elementary logic. Try to point out - how can Russia help Germany in the field of vaccination? If you can - I will believe what Merkel asked.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 19: 28
      +6
      If you can - I will believe what Merkel asked.

      I am not stating the fact - who asked whom and what. But the fact is that the satellite has already shown its effectiveness. It is inexpensive, easy to operate, and provides protection. The Germans admit this. And the German vaccine, as I said, has its own characteristics.
  7. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 19: 19
    -5
    Quote: isofat
    Alexzn... Your interpretation of this fact is in no way better than the explanation proposed by journalists.

    Which one? I haven't interpreted anything.
    Merkel called and asked Putin to help with the automotive industry - this is an interpretation.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 8 January 2021 19: 39
      +4
      Quote: AlexZN
      Which one? I haven't interpreted anything.

      Quote: AlexZN
      Phoned - a fact!

      The fact you admitted is good.

      And then it is no longer a fact, but your vision of events:

      Quote: AlexZN
      ... Merkel asked for help - speculation. More precisely the speculation of journalists. It was about expanding cooperation. At best, this is maintaining contacts at some minimum acceptable level of cooperation, at worst - a polite form of appeal - let's live together, no more.
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 19: 49
        0
        And then it is no longer a fact, but your vision of events:

        Based on elementary logic.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 8 January 2021 20: 13
          +2
          Quote: AlexZN
          Based on elementary logic.

          The explanation offered by journalists is no worse. Excuse me, but their logic is no different from yours. smile
  8. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 19: 45
    -1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    If you can - I will believe what Merkel asked.

    I am not stating the fact - who asked whom and what. But the fact is that the satellite has already shown its effectiveness. It is inexpensive, easy to operate, and provides protection. The Germans admit this. And the German vaccine, as I said, has its own characteristics.

    This is fiction due to the lack of Sputnik on the market. The satellite has not shown anything yet, it has only potential so far. How much is it produced? A couple million at best. Russia cannot support itself this year. Russia simply does not have production capacities, in pursuit of the image side, they forgot about production capabilities. The German vaccine is already being produced in the tens of millions. Launched Modern with comparable volumes.
    By the way, in Germany, 0,5 million people have already been vaccinated, in Russia about a million, with 80 to 140 million. the population is quite comparable. Let's compare in a month or two. Something tells me ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 20: 07
      +4
      This is fiction due to the lack of Sputnik on the market. The satellite has not shown anything yet, it has only potential so far.

      Fiction is what you write. I am just passing on to you the information I received from the media. Since the German media write that the effectiveness of the satellite is beyond doubt, what is the point for me or for you to deny it?

      The German vaccine is already being produced in the tens of millions.

      Yes, but Germany is a part of the EU, and produces not only for itself. It is obvious.

      By the way, 0,5 million people have already been vaccinated in Germany,

      To date, there are 22200 vaccinations per day in Germany.
      Vaccination began on December 27th.
      January 1 was not vaccinated. Total 12 days.
      12x22200 = 266400 people (and this is only the first of 2 injections necessary for immunity)

      Don't tell fairy tales here.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 20: 34
      +2
      How much is it produced? A couple of million at best. Russia cannot support itself this year. Russia simply does not have production capacities; in pursuit of the image side, they forgot about production capabilities.

      When selling a Russian vaccine abroad, they use the production facilities of the countries where this vaccine is sold. That is, they are produced right there, on the spot. This is so, to you from me, for your general development, so to speak.)
  9. greenchelman Offline greenchelman
    greenchelman (Grigory Tarasenko) 8 January 2021 19: 47
    0
    Merkel retired in October. What kind of experience about rating are we talking about?

    Isn't the coronavirus raging in Russia? Just some measly 3,335 million cases ...
  10. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 20: 12
    -2
    Quote: 123
    Phoned - a fact! Merkel asked for help - speculation. More precisely the speculation of journalists. It was about expanding cooperation.

    You mean she offered her vaccine? winked

    No I do not want to. I assumed what it was about.
    Russia will provide for itself, it will also compete for the third world market, but it was no longer allowed to reach the golden billion.
    1. Odessa Greek Offline Odessa Greek
      Odessa Greek (Greek) 8 January 2021 22: 43
      +2
      Do you really consider people in Europe and the Anglo-Saxons to be the "golden billion"? good And the rest of the billions of biomass or what? wassat Yes, you, my friend, ... and your fanatical defense of "correct" Western vaccines looks just disgusting, like your conclusions about the "golden billion" stop
  11. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 20: 20
    -1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Herd immunity is a probabilistic thing, like the vaccine itself, which we are still talking about.
    Yes, the EU ordered 4 (2x2), Canada generally ordered 5. We do not know when a repeat vaccination will be required.

    Do you feel the contradiction between your first paragraph and the second?)

    You do not know when a repetition of vaccinations is required, but already competently declare herd immunity! )
    This is class!))

    I am not stating. This is the approach of immunologists, who proceed from the fact that with 60-70% of those vaccinated, herd immunity occurs. Note, I wrote - WE WILL LEAVE THE LEVEL of herd ... But whether he will or not - time will tell, i.e. it is probabilistic.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 21: 00
      +2
      This is the approach of immunologists, who proceed from the fact that with 60-70% of those vaccinated, herd immunity occurs.

      Yes, only you forgot to indicate a very important detail: not just the vaccinated, but the vaccinated and who received a stable (!) Immunity from the vaccination. And what kind of persistent immunity can you talk about without knowing how long the vaccine is valid for (for a year? For six months? Maybe for a month?)
      Time will show the effectiveness of vaccination.
      By the way - the "satellite" has already shown it, at least for six months. That's right .. by the way.
  12. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 20: 39
    -2
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    This is fiction due to the lack of Sputnik on the market. The satellite has not shown anything yet, it has only potential so far.

    Fiction is what you write. I am simply passing on to you the information I received from the media. Since the German media write that the effectiveness of the satellite is beyond doubt, what is the point for me or for you to deny it?

    The German vaccine is already being produced in the tens of millions.

    Yes, but Germany is a part of the EU, and produces not only for itself. It is obvious.

    By the way, 0,5 million people have already been vaccinated in Germany,

    To date, there are 22200 vaccinations per day in Germany.
    Vaccination began on December 27th.
    January 1 was not vaccinated. Total 12 days.
    12x22200 = 266400 people (and this is only the first of 2 injections necessary for immunity)

    Don't tell fairy tales here.

    You start to behave incorrectly. To be precise, at the end of yesterday the Ministry of Health of the Federal Republic of Germany designated 417000 vaccinations. Let it be not 0,5, but 0. Does this change something?
    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210108-faster-than-france-but-is-it-fast-enough-a-look-at-germany-s-vaccine-rollout
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 20: 47
      +1
      You start to behave incorrectly. To be precise, at the end of yesterday the Ministry of Health of the Federal Republic of Germany designated 417000 vaccinations. Let it be not 0,5, but 0. Does this change something?

      Let's be correct .. why do we need a "damaged phone"? Here is what the Germans themselves write:

      Täglich bekommen in Deutschland rund 22.200 Menschen ihre erste Corona-Impfung verabreicht ....

      https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.soester-anzeiger.de/nordrhein-westfalen/corona-impfung-nrw-deutschland-geimpft-menschen-impfquote-impfzentren-rki-biontech-moderna-zr-90159392.amp.html
  13. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 20: 55
    -1
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.soester-anzeiger.de/nordrhein-westfalen/corona-impfung-nrw-deutschland-geimpft-menschen-impfquote-impfzentren-rki-biontech-moderna-zr-90159392.amp.html

    We will not.
    https://www.wiwo.de/politik/deutschland/-corona-update-ema-zulassung-vom-astrazeneca-impfstoff-noch-im-januar/26584968.html
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 21: 17
      +1
      We will not.
      https://www.wiwo.de/politik/deutschland/-corona-update-ema-zulassung-vom-astrazeneca-impfstoff-noch-im-januar/26584968.html

      So what do you want to say?)
      It can be seen from the article that the sum of 417060 people is the so-called "Hochrechnung", a tentative number, deduced statistically from the hypothesized possibility for this period. No more, no less.
      How many vaccinations were actually administered is another matter.
  14. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 21: 03
    -2
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    How much is it produced? A couple of million at best. Russia cannot support itself this year. Russia simply does not have production capacities; in pursuit of the image side, they forgot about production capabilities.

    When selling a Russian vaccine abroad, they use the production facilities of the countries where this vaccine is sold. That is, they are produced right there, on the spot. This is so, to you from me, for your general development, so to speak.)

    My general development asks - how much can these countries produce? How much Serbia with its screwdriver vaccine assembly, how much Brazil and India, in which the main facilities are at the disposal of Western pharmaceutical companies. Why are the values ​​not voiced? This does not bother you. Why, even in the Russian Federation, you do not have daily statistics on the amount produced and made?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 January 2021 21: 44
      +2
      Why, even in the Russian Federation, you do not have daily statistics on the amount produced and made?

      Why not? Everything is. Here you go, there is a rather extensive layout:

      https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-55185179

      Especially for you, I was looking for a source - not a Russian portal.) Well, this is so that you do not think that information is being withheld from you.)
    2. The comment was deleted.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. The comment was deleted.
  15. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 21: 22
    -1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    We will not.
    https://www.wiwo.de/politik/deutschland/-corona-update-ema-zulassung-vom-astrazeneca-impfstoff-noch-im-januar/26584968.html

    So what do you want to say?)
    It can be seen from the article that the sum of 417060 people is the so-called "Hochrechnung", a tentative number, deduced statistically from the hypothesized possibility for this period. No more, no less.

    You presumably multiplied the estimated amount per day by .... And I pointed out the source to you.
    In the Russian Federation, you presumably will not find it, only in words and an incredible spread.
    You started with a couple hundred thousand, and now you are challenging millions ... Progress! )
  16. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 21: 42
    -1
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    We will not.
    https://www.wiwo.de/politik/deutschland/-corona-update-ema-zulassung-vom-astrazeneca-impfstoff-noch-im-januar/26584968.html

    So what do you want to say?)
    It can be seen from the article that the sum of 417060 people is the so-called "Hochrechnung", a tentative number, deduced statistically from the hypothesized possibility for this period. No more, no less.
    How many vaccinations were actually administered is another matter.

    https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/corona-impfung-daten-100.html
  17. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 22: 12
    -1
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-55185179

    It's about nothing! Give a Russian source about the amount of vaccine produced and vaccinations carried out.
  18. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 January 2021 22: 51
    -1
    Quote: Odessa Greek
    Do you really consider people in Europe and the Anglo-Saxons to be the "golden billion"? good And the rest of the billions of biomass or what? wassat Yes, you, my friend, ... and your fanatical defense of "correct" Western vaccines looks just disgusting, like your conclusions about the "golden billion" stop

    Yes, you are my friend, a chatterbox (I observe your communication style).
    Golden billion - a metaphor used in publicism post-Soviet space to denote the population of the richest and most developed countries and reflecting the imbalance in living standards and consumption between them and developing countries. This is a Russian invention.
    I have not defended any vaccines and I do not consider any vaccines correct, and the Russian ones are not correct. I just pointed to the real state of affairs in the field of production and vaccination, this does not make BP good and Sputnik bad (and vice versa).
  19. Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) 9 January 2021 11: 03
    +3
    I am not a doctor at all and I do not really trust doctors, as well as television, but I will still say a few words that people who, as I think, related to medicine and viruses, brought to me. I don’t know how to tell it scientifically, but the principle of work of the Russian and the same German, are arranged in different ways. And since not a single vaccine has passed a full-fledged test, it's too early to talk about any unique effectiveness. However, the Russian version is actually built on the mechanism of long-term immunity. Well, this is something like the way we are given vaccinations against certain diseases in childhood and then repeated after many many years. what the idea is based on, I will not say, probably scientists know something about the strain against which they are inoculated. Western vaccinations are probably similar to influenza vaccines, which should be inoculated every year or season, given the changes. This is probably due to what they know about the changing structure of COVID. It is not without reason that the topic of a new strain has gone on in Britain.
    Instead of being engaged in verbiage, maybe someone can add something to my words or correct.
  20. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 9 January 2021 15: 35
    -1
    Quote: AwaZ
    I am not a doctor at all and I do not really trust doctors, as well as television, but I will still say a few words that people who, as I think, related to medicine and viruses, brought to me. I don’t know how to tell it scientifically, but the principle of work of the Russian and the same German, are arranged in different ways. And since not a single vaccine has passed a full-fledged test, it's too early to talk about any unique effectiveness. However, the Russian version is actually built on the mechanism of long-term immunity. Well, this is something like the way we are given vaccinations against certain diseases in childhood and then repeated after many many years. what the idea is based on, I will not say, probably scientists know something about the strain against which they are inoculated. Western vaccinations are probably similar to influenza vaccines, which should be inoculated every year or season, given the changes. This is probably due to what they know about the changing structure of COVID. It is not without reason that the topic of a new strain has gone on in Britain.
    Instead of being engaged in verbiage, maybe someone can add something to my words or correct.

    In general, I agree. The point is that in the fall we will receive a vaccine not only for influenza, but also for covid, most likely it will not go anywhere. Time will tell which approach to the type of vaccine is more effective; it may very well be that they will need to be combined. It was not for nothing that I constantly used the word PROBABLY. Only with time, having received serious statistics in a large sample, will we be able to evaluate vaccines.
  21. The comment was deleted.