Heavy responsibility for the destruction of the Mi-24: what the Kremlin hinted at to Azerbaijan

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Relations between Moscow and Baku after the 44-day Karabakh war can now reach a fundamentally different level. The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation has reclassified the article in the criminal case on the fact of the destruction of the Russian Mi-24 helicopter by the Azerbaijani military to a more serious one, for which liability is stipulated up to life imprisonment. There is a rather sharp change in the attitude towards yesterday's "friends and partners" after the demonstrative neutrality in the war and unjustified friendliness in the death of our pilots. Why would it suddenly?

The tragic incident took place at the close of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, which ended with the victory of the alliance of Baku and Ankara over Yerevan and Stepanakert. The Russian combat helicopter was shot down from MANPADS outside the combat zone over the territory of Armenia, which is part of the CSTO. Baku immediately recognized this fact and apologized, saying that it was allegedly due to a mistake. President Aliyev expressed his condolences to the families of the killed pilots and promised a thorough investigation. Azerbaijani law enforcement officers opened a criminal case under Art. 342.2 (negligence in service, resulting in the death of two or more people through negligence, which took place in wartime and in combat conditions). Moscow reacted very favorably to the initiative of the "partners" and did not respond in an "eye for an eye" style, which was demanded by the agitated Russian public. But now they suddenly changed their position abruptly, actually accusing Azerbaijan of premeditated murder of our military, and this, if desired, is quite a "casus belli". What could this be connected with?



Russia's non-interference (direct or indirect) in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh on the side of the Armenians can only be explained by the Kremlin's desire to maintain friendly and partner relations with Yerevan, Baku, and Ankara at once, standing on the sidelines. However, it turned out a little differently. The joint victory over the common enemy only solidified the informal union of Turkey and Azerbaijan, which consider themselves a single people divided into two states. Now the Azerbaijani's brother is not Russian, but a Turk, a fundamental choice, in general, has already been made and formalized.

On the one hand, this is the personal relationship between two sovereign countries. On the other hand, the alliance between Ankara and Baku is a cornerstone in the foundation of the so-called “Great Turan”. This is not the union state, not the union of Turkic-speaking states, which, in addition to Turkey and Azerbaijan, can also include Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. President Erdogan is pursuing an extremely active expansionist policies in the territories that were once part of the Ottoman Empire. But not only on them. A few days ago, the Turkish edition of AHaber published an interesting map on which the Russian North Caucasus, the Volga region and Siberia were included in the "zone of influence" of Ankara. Another Turkish edition, Türkiye, spoke in tune with him, calling Crimea "an illegally annexed ancient Turkic land." Oil painting.

In reality, "Great Turan" can be a kind of supranational integration association, which can grow into a "Central Asian NATO" under the auspices of Ankara. Of course, it will not annex the Russian territories directly, but it will strengthen its influence in them through “soft power”, which will attract the growth of Islamist and separatist sentiments. The emergence of such a pan-Turkist project will naturally mean the collapse of Eurasian integration around Russia. In general, "Great Turan" does not shine anything good for us.

Of particular concern is Turkey's activity in increasing its combat capabilities. Ankara has the second-strongest ground army in NATO, a powerful fleet, is developing its own fifth-generation fighter jet, and its strike UAVs have performed well in Syria, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh. All this is traditionally dismissed in our country with nuclear weapons, which beat any trump card. But what if Turkey itself becomes a nuclear power? President Erdogan personally announced such ambitions last year:

Some countries have missiles with nuclear warheads, why can't we have them? I cannot accept this. Israel is next to us, and it scares us.

And after all, he really can get his nuclear arsenal. Just the day before, the Indian press published a publication in which it was told with great concern about the negotiations between Ankara and Islamabad on the possibility of Pakistan's transfer of Turkey of technologies production of nuclear weapons. It is reported that the Pakistani authorities allegedly gave their consent. Recall that Islamabad itself received a nuclear arsenal not without the help of China, which was interested in containing India.

If Turkey also becomes a nuclear power in a few years, it will change a lot. Its military and political weight in the macroregion will multiply, and the construction of the "Great Turan" around it will become only a matter of time. In this context, the re-qualification of the article for the murder of the Russian military by the Azeri ones looks like an attempt by Moscow to exert a restraining influence on Baku, which is the first in line for economic, political and military integration with Ankara. Extremely belated, let's face it.
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  1. 0
    5 January 2021 11: 52
    Heavy responsibility for the destruction of the Mi-24: what the Kremlin hinted at to Azerbaijan

    - Too late, too late "the Kremlin hinted to Azerbaijan" ... - it was necessary to hint much earlier and very very very harshly ...
    = And today the Turkish genie has already been released from a hundred-year imprisonment and Turkey is simply gaining momentum ... - Erdogan really succeeds ... - And it turns out easily and simply ... - no special costs ... - Erdogan is just a good politician and always keeps his nose to the wind ... - He took full advantage of the period by 200%; when the Americans were "ruled" by the narrow-minded inept and eccentric politician Trump and when our guarantor literally fulfilled all the desires of Erdogan himself ... - forgave him absolutely everything and provided assistance in everything ... - What did Russia gain from this today (or rather, lost) ... - no need to explain to anyone ... the fact is obvious ... - Today Russia can easily lose both the Caucasus and the Caspian and Middle Asia ... - This is how it all began ... - Russian planes shot down with impunity, ambassadors killed, shot down helicopters and ... and ... and Turkey is already close to the borders of Russia ...
    - And today "Annushka has already spilled oil" ... - and this "oil" has already been spilled not somewhere on the territory of distant Syria; but literally on the territory of Russia ...
    1. +3
      5 January 2021 13: 13
      Do not panic .. it's too late ... you can always warm up the Kurdish issue and the Turks will not have time for the Turan.
      1. 0
        5 January 2021 14: 19
        Then Erdogan will block the Turkish Stream. And then the straits for Russia under some pretext, making it difficult to supply the group in Syria.
        It works both ways. request
        1. +1
          5 January 2021 21: 51
          On the closure of the straits by Turkey, the Black Sea Fleet of Russia (USSR) always joked that they could deepen and widen these straits. We must not forget that even the old cruiser Moscow carries 16 Vulcan missiles, with a range of up to 1000 km, and some of these missiles are equipped with nuclear warheads.
          1. 0
            6 January 2021 08: 19
            A good joke, but today it sounds exactly like a joke. You yourself must understand everything.
            1. +3
              6 January 2021 21: 06
              I don’t remember, here, or somewhere else I read that Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankovsk were officially included in the list of targets for a nuclear strike by the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation, in the event of the outbreak of hostilities. So there is some truth in every joke.
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          3. -7
            7 January 2021 00: 57
            The Turks will sink your rusty troughs right in their home ports. In Karabakh, they saw what they did with your vaunted weapons)))) There is enough scrap metal for decades to come. The cruiser Moscow (Kuznetsov) is the one that smoked and made the whole of Europe laugh?))) Turkey will not blink an eye, blocking the straits if Russia kicks.
            1. +7
              7 January 2021 14: 50
              A) The Russian Federation has the ability to destroy any object in any part of Turkey with its cruise missiles, Turkey does not have the ability to shoot through the entire territory of the Russian Federation.
              B) The Turkish fleet is not new, half of the Turkish ships are rubbish decommissioned from the US and French fleets. Of the new ships, Turkey has only 4 German-made submarines and 4 corvettes, all other ships are 17-20 years old and older
              C) The Turkish Air Force has only about 50 relatively modern F-16 block 50 +, everything else is outdated D) The Turkish tank park is ridiculous, its basis is Leopard-1, developed back in the 60s of the last century (such tanks in the Turkish army most, about 1500 pieces, in service and in storage).
              E) The Russian fleet and aviation have supersonic missiles, some of which are equipped with nuclear warheads, all that Turkey has is the old American Harpoon anti-ship missiles, with a subsonic flight speed. ....
              F) Georgia tried to use drones against the Russian Federation, in 2008, there is a video on YouTube, the MiG-29 of the Russian Air Force is destroying a Georgian drone. You can see how it was.
              E) The antediluvian air defense system Hok form the basis of Turkey's air defense system, so the Turks will not be able to protect their skies with this old thing. ...
              So the next Russian-Turkish war, if it starts, will end with another defeat of Turkey.
            2. +4
              8 January 2021 08: 54
              Quote: Mikhail Svetlov_2
              The Turks will sink your rusty troughs right in their home ports. In Karabakh, they saw what they did with your vaunted weapons)))) There is enough scrap metal for decades to come. The cruiser moscow (kuznetsov) is the one that smoked and made all of Europe laugh?)))

              Misha, you obviously have some kind of mess in your head.
  2. +2
    5 January 2021 14: 17
    Erdogan was friends with Assad, and now with V.V., the darkest "everything" knows, he calculated everything.
  3. +3
    5 January 2021 18: 47
    Do not hope the Kremlin will do nothing.
  4. +4
    5 January 2021 21: 49
    Well, actually nothing new. Turkey, like that wolf, which no matter how much you feed, still looks into the forest. This country has always been and will be an enemy of Russia, this must be understood and taken into account even in temporary alliances. As they said and say in England - England has no permanent allies and opponents, but England has permanent interests. So it is time for Russia to live by this principle with foreigners and their countries.
    1. -3
      10 January 2021 13: 56
      Quote: Sapsan136
      Well, actually nothing new. Turkey, like that wolf, which no matter how much you feed, still looks into the forest. This country has always been and will be an enemy of Russia, this must be understood and taken into account even in temporary alliances. As they said and say in England - England has no permanent allies and opponents, but England has permanent interests. So it is time for Russia to live by this principle with foreigners and their countries.

      Is Russia feeding Turkey?
      Is it time for Russia to live according to a new principle? First, Russia needs to reach the level of England - both socially and politically, to earn weight in the world not thanks to nuclear weapons, which, incidentally, Pakistan also has. And these nonsense "we will tear everyone, we will destroy everyone" works wonderfully for our people. And the world practically doesn't care.
      By the way, an average lawyer can prove that the helicopter was shot down unintentionally. And a lawyer can easily prove who really benefited from knocking down the turntable. Bright memory of the guys, but they have become a bargaining chip in the game, most likely in ours.
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      2. +3
        14 January 2021 08: 49
        The world does not care about the first American destroyer sunk in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. I remember no one considered the USSR either, until the Air Force and Air Defense of the USSR began to crush the insolent NATO vultures and their sixes. And to raise the standard of living in the Russian Federation, of course, it is necessary, only for the indigenous population, and not for those who came to steal and take them over the hill. And for this in the Russian Federation it is necessary to adopt a law on citizenship on the model of Saudi Arabia.
  5. -5
    5 January 2021 23: 30
    The helicopter flew by in the dark and was unmarked. On military equipment of any country, there is at least the flag of the country to which it belongs. In this case, the helicopter flew near the combat zone, so it was the commander's negligence who gave the order to strike. Either this is a provocation, which is not excluded, or it is a well thought-out plan. The downed helicopter gave the full right to bring peacekeepers to Karabakh, which was impossible to do earlier, since only with the announcement of Baku, the peacekeepers had the right to be deployed in the combat zone.

    It is very strange that an agreement was concluded after the downed helicopter. Well, only Azerbaijan won from this agreement, but certainly not Russia, because a 5-year agreement with a possible extension of the MS stay can be terminated on the initiative of one of the parties, Armenia or Azerbaijan, and since Azerbaijan is de jure and de - in fact, he is the owner of these territories, has every right to terminate the 5-year contract. Azerbaijan also insured itself with the presence of Turkish generals and military, who, together with the Russians, will control the peace process for 5 years. For the Lachin corridor, Azerbaijan received a corridor to Nakhichevan directly through the territory of Armenia. In fact, Russia initiated the presence of NATO in the Caucasus + opened the doors to the Turks in Azerbaijan, and then further there. So I don’t know about what kind of downed helicopter you are talking about and what kind of punishment, but the fact remains. Well, they put someone there, sit and go out conditionally, that's all. The fact that a helicopter, its destruction, etc. was planned, no doubt about it. Likewise, the CIA wanted to enter Cuba, but did not know how to legally do it. Well, in the end, they came up with a plan to knock out a destroyer, on board which there were several hundred or maybe a little more than a thousand soldiers, in order to present it later as a military provocation from Cuba. Then the President of America refused that plan and called this plan monstrous. And here, there is a helicopter and a couple of military pilots, you think, but interests are more important.

    Aliyev agreed to stop for a reason. He received:
    one). All other areas without firing a shot.
    2). The Azerbaijani Armed Forces could have taken Khankendi / Stepanakert from minute to minute, but in the event of ethnic cleansing, Azerbaijan would receive sanctions, and Aliyev does not need this.
    3). Aliyev reserved the right to ask to remove the MC from Karabakh after 5 years. Believe me, Azerbaijan is not Moldova.
    4). Azerbaijan insured itself by the presence of Turkey in Karabakh, and Turkey is a NATO member. Yes, we know that Russia is a great country, with a huge flavor of nations, but in the event of hostilities against Azerbaijan, the Caucasus can stand up against such an action, because this zone is fragile.
    5). There is no status in the agreement and it cannot be according to Aliyev.
    6). The Armenians will either swear allegiance to Azerbaijan over time, or they will quietly move from Karabakh, for which they, in principle, were ready if there was no stopping the war.

    Personally, my opinion. This is the friendship between Armenia and Azerbaijan, because friendship is in the interests of Armenia itself, otherwise the country will never get on its feet. That is, hatred and enmity must leave the minds of Armenians forever. Friendship of Russia and Turkey, as two rather influential countries, but let's not judge the influence by the size of the territories, for the very same Israel has a good influence, a country with an atomic bomb and a huge amount of weapons. So everything depends on how the Armenians will behave.
    1. 0
      6 January 2021 15: 27
      There will be no friendship, at least for the next 100 or even 200 years. Further, Armenia will do well without friendship with Azerbaijan and even more so with Turkey, Armenians are not Azerbaijanis, they remember history and honor the memory of their ancestors. But Armenia needs to understand that it can and will develop under the reliable wing of the Russian Federation. Either as part of a huge and strong empire, or as a satellite of Russia. In the current reality, there is nothing wrong with that. And the last thing, what a silly parallel? Two influential countries, Russia and Turkey? Dumas have seen enough? Yeah ... haberdasher and cardinal. It is clear that the haberdasher is not Russia. Erdogan owes his life to Mr Putin, he must remember this and know his place.
  6. +2
    6 January 2021 06: 05
    There will be no "Great Turan". From the word "absolutely". Every action has a reaction. There is a reaction to every action. As for the behavior of Moscow, I will say this: analysts have calculated, checked, and made calculations. Everything has been agreed at the highest level of government. Otherwise, it would be difficult to explain the actions of the RF IC. It is not an independent structure. She was told, she does. We are waiting for the development of events.
  7. 0
    6 January 2021 15: 10
    Azerbaijanis are ridiculous (no offense, just a historical definition) to the point of insanity. Azerbaijan is celebrating some kind of victory with whom? With the Turks. Over whom? Over Armenia? But the Turkish boot tramples the land of Baku, not Yerevan or Stepanakert. People resembling Azeris cannot probably remember their history, because they are not Azerbaijanis, but only their shadow, otherwise they would remember how the Sunni Turks slaughtered the Azeri Shiites, considering them non-Muslims with no less zeal than Christians.

    Suffice it to recall the national hero of Azerbaijan Babek and his uprising. I will explain why Azerbaijan and not Azeris. Because the rear consider him their national hero. Well, okay with that. One Azeri scribe said that during the war all means are good. Forgetting completely that, as his ancestors used to say, victory without honor is not a victory, but a shame. Well, how can a war be considered a victory, in which the Azerbaijanis resorted to the help of those who, relatively recently, slaughtered them and raped their women?

    You will not say anything, worthy descendants of the great Azeri. You ought to sprinkle ashes on your head in time, and you are talking about some kind of victorious reports .. And finally, I know the following from the real Azeri of the older generation. There was a time when an Azeri would jump into a fight if he was called a Turk. just called them names. It was not perceived otherwise. Finally; Erdogan said that the Turks and the Azerbaijanis are one people, two states. Did the ancestors of the Azeri think so? Da Babek and the ancestors of the Azeris are spinning like a propeller in shrouds of shame. And these shameful henna. They paint some fantasies on the site. Oh storytellers.

    And now with regard to the official betrayal of Azerbaijan, which gave the order to destroy our helicopter. It is not yet clear how Russia will respond, Artsakh is under Russia's protection, and it is clear to all of us that recently there has been nothing more permanent than the peacekeepers of the Russian Federation. And I'm glad of that. Artsakh was Russian and should remain.
    1. -7
      7 January 2021 00: 40
      Turkey and Azerbaijan are one people, two states. And now two countries have one army. When you say Azerbaijan you mean Turkey and vice versa. Azerbaijan ITSELF, without Turkey's help, tore apart your "ally" - the Armenian occupiers in 44 days, showing the whole world the worthlessness and backwardness of Russian weapons, which, by the way, were continuously fed for these 44 days for free (you yourself paid for it from your taxes and your own pocket). We saw how your face-to-face media, the scoundrels "experts" who found the Armenian suction poured mud on Azerbaijan. And the attitude of the population towards Russia, which all these years supported the Nazi chauvinist formation "Armenia", is negative. What right do you have to tell us something and reproach us when you yourself drowned Chechnya in blood? Turkey does not interfere in our affairs. She supports us in everything. Unlike Armenia (read western Azerbaijan), Azerbaijan itself guards its borders, our border guards are in our airports, and there are no foreign bases on our territory. But I'll tell you the truth - the idea of ​​creating a Turkish military base has almost 100% support from the population. As for the downed helicopter, they did the right thing. Do not fly where you have never flown, without warning, during a conflict, I provoke. You can change at least 10 articles. We will kill your "peacekeepers" in 5 years, so that the trace will disappear. And no "Parsah-Marsach" exists. We will push Russia out of the Transcaucasus with the help of Turkey. And then peace will come here
      1. +3
        8 January 2021 08: 49
        Quote: Mikhail Svetlov_2
        But I'll tell you the truth - the idea of ​​creating a Turkish military base has almost 100% support from the population. As for the downed helicopter, they did the right thing. Do not fly where you have never flown, without warning, during a conflict, I provoke. You can change at least 10 articles. We will kill your "peacekeepers" in 5 years, so that the trace will disappear. Besides, there is no "Parsah-Marsach". We will push Russia out of the Transcaucasus with the help of Turkey. And then peace will come here

        Are you exactly Mikhail Svetlov?
      2. +3
        8 January 2021 08: 56
        Quote: Mikhail Svetlov_2
        So listen here ONOliteg. Turkey and Azerbaijan are one people, two states. And now two countries have one army. When you say Azerbaijan you mean Turkey and vice versa. Azerbaijan ITSELF, without Turkey's help, tore apart your "ally" - the Armenian occupiers in 44 days, showing the whole world the worthlessness and backwardness of Russian weapons, which, by the way, were continuously fed for these 44 days for free (you yourself paid for it from your taxes and your pocket). We saw how your face-to-face media, the scoundrels "experts" who found the Armenian suction poured mud on Azerbaijan.

        You will decide whether you are writing for Azerbaijan or gloating from Ukraine. I would bet on the latter wink
    2. +1
      7 January 2021 08: 49
      You look from your point of view, not living with the people of Azerbaijan, they think differently, Russia with its corruption and betrayal of some unknown circles of power could not solve the Karabakh issue, and Turkey helped them, who is to blame? Azerbaijanis! Turks! no.
      Now about Turan, Russia should look for benefits in it, since the country has more than half of the population of Muslims and Turks. You don't have to run away from the rink or fight with it, you need to manage this rink.
    3. 0
      10 January 2021 14: 06
      Quote: Archie
      Azerbaijanis are ridiculous (no offense, just a historical definition) to the point of insanity. Azerbaijan is celebrating some kind of victory with whom? With the Turks. Over whom? Over Armenia? But the Turkish boot tramples the land of Baku, not Yerevan or Stepanakert. People resembling Azeris cannot probably remember their history, because they are not Azerbaijanis, but only their shadow, otherwise they would remember how the Sunni Turks slaughtered the Azeri Shiites, considering them non-Muslims with no less zeal than Christians.

      Suffice it to recall the national hero of Azerbaijan Babek and his uprising. I will explain why Azerbaijan and not Azeris. Because the rear consider him their national hero. Well, okay with that. One Azeri scribe said that during the war all means are good. Forgetting completely that, as his ancestors used to say, victory without honor is not a victory, but a shame. Well, how can a war be considered a victory, in which the Azerbaijanis resorted to the help of those who, relatively recently, slaughtered them and raped their women?

      You will not say anything, worthy descendants of the great Azeri. You ought to sprinkle ashes on your head in time, and you are talking about some kind of victorious reports .. And finally, I know the following from the real Azeri of the older generation. There was a time when an Azeri would jump into a fight if he was called a Turk. just called them names. It was not perceived otherwise. Finally; Erdogan said that the Turks and the Azerbaijanis are one people, two states. Did the ancestors of the Azeri think so? Da Babek and the ancestors of the Azeris are spinning like a propeller in shrouds of shame. And these shameful henna. They paint some fantasies on the site. Oh storytellers.

      And now with regard to the official betrayal of Azerbaijan, which gave the order to destroy our helicopter. It is not yet clear how Russia will respond, Artsakh is under Russia's protection, and it is clear to all of us that recently there has been nothing more permanent than the peacekeepers of the Russian Federation. And I'm glad of that. Artsakh was Russian and should remain.

      Please share what you smoke.
      There is no Artsakh and it was only for Armenians. In Russia, this word was heard only during the war. The war ended with the victory of Azerbaijan. Some kind of nonsense about boots trampling the land of Azerbaijan.
      What is the point for you to carry this nonsense. Our people do not care where it is in the Caucasus and what kind of war was. There are always conflicts and often with our participation.
      And when did the Turks slaughter and rape women in Azerbaijan?
      You have to be an Armenian dumb to carry this nonsense.
  8. +1
    6 January 2021 16: 37
    For our pilots shot down in Syria, what are we hinting at?
    For the destroyed brigade of our volunteers near Deir ez-Zor, what shall we hint to the Amers?
    For the murdered ambassador Karlov?
    For Bout, for Yaroshenko when will we start hinting ????
    1. -1
      6 January 2021 23: 34
      Never !!!! She drowned !!!!! She fell!!!!! How will it be !!!)))
  9. 0
    6 January 2021 16: 42
    The turntable was shot down after a settlement.
  10. +2
    6 January 2021 19: 07
    Nothing will happen. No consequences. It's too late for Moscow to hint at something. Because now the same stupid team rules, which released Azerbaijan and other republics from the hands of Russia (USSR). And she didn't even release someone, but simply drove out.
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  12. +1
    7 January 2021 17: 42
    It's too late to drink Borjomi guys. When a helicopter was shot down, and even a statement by the ambassador of Azerbaijan, with a hint that his country was at war with Russia, there was a reason for a preemptive strike on the military facilities of Azerbaijan. Now such a blow, the international community will not be able to understand. And holding back Erdogan's ambitions in this way will not work. Azerbaijan will do everything that Turkey says
    1. +1
      10 January 2021 14: 12
      Quote: Tota
      It's too late to drink Borjomi guys. When a helicopter was shot down, and even a statement by the ambassador of Azerbaijan, with a hint that his country was at war with Russia, there was a reason for a preemptive strike on the military facilities of Azerbaijan. Now such a blow, the international community will not be able to understand. And holding back Erdogan's ambitions in this way will not work. Azerbaijan will do everything that Turkey says

      Russia would have received a retaliatory strike. Moreover, both outside and inside the country. Do you think our government does not know this? She is not ready to wage war against Turkey and Azerbaijan, because a large part of the population is Turkic-speaking and at one time subjugated by weapons.
  13. -1
    10 January 2021 17: 45
    The Kremlin threatened Aliyev that a sharp remark from the Foreign Ministry was being prepared. Zakharova is already preparing ...
    1. -1
      10 January 2021 20: 59
      wah wah wah wah Aliev was scared. What will you do to him? Nothing. Well, maybe you will bring back several tons of tomatoes and the whole incident will be settled.
  14. 0
    14 January 2021 12: 36
    In case of aggravation of relations with Azerbaijan, it is necessary to expel 1,5 million aizers from Russia, this will be a strong step, and we will not lose anything except the tomatoes sold at exorbitant prices in the bazaar.