Moscow announced intentional destruction of Russian Mi-24 by Azerbaijan


The case of the Mi-9 helicopter of the Russian Aerospace Forces attacked on November 24 last year on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border was re-qualified by Russian investigators for a more serious article - premeditated murder (part 2, article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). Initially, the perpetrators were charged with a crime under Article 351 (death by negligence), punishable by up to 7 years in prison. Reported by the agency Interfax.


According to an informed source, now the punishment for the committed crime can include life imprisonment. Moscow's statement on the deliberate destruction of the Russian helicopter by the Azerbaijani side was adopted following the results of earlier investigative actions.

It is difficult to say how long the investigative measures will take. The investigation of the incident is made difficult by the fact that the suspects in the attack on the Mi-24 are in another state. The case is being handled by lawyers based at the Russian military base in Gyumri, Armenia.

A Russian Mi-24 helicopter was shot down over Armenian territory outside the zone of military conflict, two soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces were killed, one was wounded. The Mi-24 accompanied the base convoy near the Yeraskh settlement near the border with the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic, which is part of Azerbaijan. On the evening of November 9, Russia, Azerbaijan and Armenia signed a trilateral agreement to end the military confrontation in the NKR.
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  1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 12: 25
    +18
    And here it is not tricky.
    1) Moscow should demand that the perpetrators be extradited to the RF Prosecutor's Office.
    2) Official apology from Baku.
    3) Payment of compensation for the helicopter and family members of the deceased pilots.
    4) Replacement of the ambassador of Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation with a smarter person who will think more and speak less. In case of refusal of all Gaster out of the Russian Federation, the closure of the border, the termination of bank transfers from the Russian Federation and a complete embargo on trade, let them sell their tomatoes to Turkey, if they can.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 12: 59
      -1
      1) This is not accepted in international practice. The perpetrators will be punished and will serve their sentences in the country of the crime.
      2) A formal apology has been made
      3) Azerbaijan immediately agreed to pay compensation
      4) The replacement of the ambassador is not within the competence of the Russian Federation. Russia can ASK to replace the ambassador, but the appointment of the ambassador depends only on Azerbaijan
      Everything else means a break in economic ties between Russia and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan not only "sells tomatoes", but also buys weapons from Russia. The last contract was for $ 5 billion. Co-production of cars. Disruption of the North-South ITC, in which Russia is strongly interested. And a bunch of other things that the guardians of "tomatoes" do not even imagine.
      1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 04
        +11
        6) Russia may not ask, but declare your ambassador persona non grata and you will have to replace him, whether you want it or not.
        They killed the citizens of the Russian Federation, meanly and deliberately, so either you betray the killers of the Russian Federation, or bring their heads without their bodies, the latter will suit me more personally. In case of refusal to disentangle the consequences too for you.
        7) So buy weapons now in Turkey, there are many antediluvian Leopard-1, maybe they will share with you.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 08
          -9
          To declare the ambassador persona non grata? Where did you study in international relations? This is possible, but unlikely to be done.
          I don't even want to discuss the rest. Nobody "meanly and deliberately" did anything. The investigation reclassified the crime, but this does not mean that it was so.
          You would first ask for the heads of those who shot down Russian planes in Syria.
          As for the Leopards, that's up to us. I have listed Russia's losses from your proposals. Ten billion at least. And the Russian brigade in Karabakh is on its way out. All the efforts of Moscow in the South Caucasus you famously crossed out.
          The flag is in your hands.
          1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 10
            +12
            Do not want to discuss, do not. Personally, I can do fine without Gaster from the countries of the former USSR in the Russian Federation. Russia has not fought with you. The Armenian army, of course, is not about anything, but Turkey to the Russian Federation is like walking to the moon. So pulling death by the mustache (I do not advise fighting the Russian Federation), although, you decide, if you want to fight, we will fight.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 14
              .
              Who talks about war anyway? I see many people here are simply eager to declare war on Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is in close contact with Russia to clarify the reasons for this incident. At the level of the Prosecutor General's Office and the military. They apologized and are ready to pay compensation. In war, they shoot and sometimes even at their own. The helicopter was shot down in the evening over the territory of Armenia near the borders of Azerbaijan. The error is most likely. From the Russian base in Gyumri at a distance of at least 100-150 km. What was he doing there? Did someone warn Azerbaijan about a Russian convoy in this area?
              But if you want to fight, we will fight.
              1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 19
                +10
                And your intentionally destroying the helicopter of the Russian Federation (and this is proven) what they wanted, isn't it war ?! So why take offense at ours now ?! Just ask your friends! Either you betray the bandits of the Russian Federation, or you protect them, but then all of you will have to answer for their crimes ... So be it, then we will fight. The next Russian-Turkish war will end predictably, you will know how to raise your hand against a nuclear power. By the way, Ukraine won out, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil, are officially included in the number of targets for a nuclear strike in case of war.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 22
                  -8
                  (and this is proven)

                  This is NOT PROVEN.

                  Nobody will give anyone away. This is not accepted. Azerbaijani citizens will serve their term on the territory of Azerbaijan.
                  Everything else is your dreams ... Not serious.
                  1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 24
                    +9
                    Our government has already had enough evidence, but the Russian Federation is not obliged to prove anything to you. Let's see, seriously or not. This case will definitely not add the comfort of staying in the Russian Federation to your diaspora, I guarantee. Russia is tired of boorish Russophobia.
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 27
                      .
                      You are a funny man. In the evening (at dusk) an Armenian helicopter was shot down near the border of Armenia-Azerbaijan. The fact that he was Russian was revealed later.
                      There is no evidence that the Russian helicopter was deliberately shot down. And there is no "boorish Russophobia" either. There is a tragic accident. and this is what Russian and Azerbaijani LAWYERS and MILITARY are working on.
                      1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 37
                        +8
                        If you think that they are not there, then the investigative committee in the Russian Federation thinks otherwise and the Russian government will proceed from the opinion of the investigative committee of the Russian Federation, and not the citizen of the country that shot down the helicopter of the Russian Air Force.
                      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 40
                        -7
                        Lord, how difficult it is to explain common truths. The investigation can put forward any article of the Criminal Code. The final decision is made by the court. And under what article the crime is qualified, it is not the investigation but the court that decides. The court may not accept the results of the investigation at all. There are a lot of precedents for that. The Russian government has nothing to do with this at all. In the Russian Federation, as in most countries of the world, the court is an INDEPENDENT institution.
                      3. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 54
                        +7
                        The court works on the basis of investigative evidence. The court may refuse, but this needs good reasons, for example, the absence of corpus delicti, but this is not the case.
                      4. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 4 January 2021 14: 58
                        +1
                        In the Russian Federation, as in most countries of the world, the court is an INDEPENDENT institution.

                        Unfortunately, in most countries of the world, the court is not independent. In Russia, in fact, too.
                      5. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 15: 02
                        -9
                        Maybe. But the point is that the Government of the Russian Federation has already appointed the perpetrators BEFORE THE COURT. In any case, they convince me of this.
                        There is some "unnamed source"
                      6. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 4 January 2021 15: 12
                        -7
                        In this you are right, of course. In general, I am amused by these couch "military men" who are immediately ready to shandrach with nuclear weapons, "the whole world is in dust," that's all.
                      7. Akuzenka Online Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 January 2021 21: 12
                        0
                        So they read about the heroes of the destroyed world and think that they will have a life full of adventures and they will be cool. It's funny. At best, you'll die quickly if you're lucky. And she is so fantastic ...
            2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 January 2021 11: 43
              -1
              Quote: Bakht
              You are a funny man. In the evening (at dusk) an Armenian helicopter was shot down near the border of Armenia-Azerbaijan. The fact that he was Russian was revealed later.
              There is no evidence that the Russian helicopter was deliberately shot down. And there is no "boorish Russophobia" either. There is a tragic accident. and this is what Russian and Azerbaijani LAWYERS and MILITARY are working on.

              Sorry (in the voice of Woland) for interfering in your conversation. It's just an interesting argument. Just like the classics: "Gandhi came to Dundee." The restless Sagittarius, clearly lacking basic legal knowledge? categorically believes that the decision of the Investigative Committee on retraining from unintentional to intentional crime is equal to a court verdict. That is, it gives the UK the powers of the court. This is a priori wrong. Only the verdict of the court establishes the guilt, or, on the contrary, the innocence of the defendant. It is not possible to agree with his statements about the extradition of Azerbaijani citizens to the Russian Federation for their trial. The constitutions of all countries contain an article on the prohibition of the extradition of their citizens.

              The issue of RF sanctions against Azerbaijan for the incident is controversial. They may or may not enter. And you - Bakht reasonably raise the question: "Is it worth it?" Baku did not reach into the bottle, apologized, sprinkled ashes on his head, and is ready to compensate material and moral damage to the victims. In this particular case - to the relatives of the victims. But your arguments, Bakht, that there was no premeditated murder, cannot under any circumstances be recognized as true. It is in terms of qualifications. The actions of the Azerbaijani crew were reasonably re-qualified from careless murder to premeditated murder. I am quite surprised why this was not done immediately by the investigator. This is a clear and flagrant legal error.

              Careless murder differs from intentional murder in intent, that is, in the subjective aspect of the corpus delicti. The perpetrator mistakenly believed he was not committing murder. For example, while hunting, he shoots a wild boar, but hits a friend who, while drunk, decided to joke and at dusk went to the position of the shot (by the way, a real case). In the incident that occurred, there was a so-called error in the subject. The anti-aircraft gunners mistook a Russian combat helicopter for an Armenian combat helicopter. Their actions were deliberately aimed at destroying enemy aircraft in a war. And they acted, precisely with a direct intent, aimed at achieving the result - the murder of the crew, and allowed the death of people. And according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, it does not matter for qualification as premeditated murder, which mistakenly killed the Russians. To make it clearer for you: the guilty person, shooting at the victim and wishing his death, misses and hits the person standing next to him. He will be responsible for the premeditated murder of a specific person and for the attempted murder of the person he shot at. Yes, in this case, the court will take into account mitigating circumstances. Moreover, they can be considered exceptional. And the defendants will receive suspended sentences. Which is likely to happen.

              Baku is likely to abandon the recourse claim against the convicted. And, you Bakht, deliberately, defending the honor of Azerbaijan, or simply by virtue of legal ignorance, replace premeditated murder with murder by negligence. Man you are, judging by your posts, competent enough. But here they hit the post. Open any textbook on criminal law and read the relevant provisions of the general part of the Criminal Code on the signs of a crime. In particular, about the subjective side and the so-called error in the subject.
            3. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 January 2021 12: 00
              +1
              I completely agree with you. Except for one thing. Have I ever questioned a willful or unintentional act? I said that the helicopter was shot down by mistake. The soldier who pulled the trigger had the goal of shooting down the helicopter and killing those in it. This is, of course, a deliberate act. He was not mistaken when he shot down the helicopter. Another thing is that he was not going to shoot down a Russian helicopter specifically. This is what I am writing about.

              I am very sorry that I was not able to convey this thought during the discussion.
              The retraining of the case is the work of the investigators. And they can reclassify deeds a hundred times a day. It doesn't really matter at the moment. And the issue of compensation will most likely be resolved upon completion of the investigation and court decision.
            4. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 January 2021 14: 25
              -2
              Certainly. I just realized that you are challenging the correctness of the qualifications. Of course, the helicopter was shot down by mistake.
            5. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 January 2021 16: 07
              +1
              I have contested incorrect suggestions for this incident. But we understand each other. The Russian language is quite rich. From the words "crime", "mistake", "incident", much changes.
              From a legal point of view, this is a crime. This is a mistake with the military. Politically, this incident should not affect relations between states.
              Offhand. Boeing shot down over Sakhalin, Boeing shot down over Donbas, Airbus over the Persian Gulf, Ukrainian Boeing in Iran, Russian TU over the Black Sea.
              Where and in what case was the ambassador sent, demanded the head of the culprit, or threatened with nuclear weapons?
            6. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 January 2021 16: 41
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              I have contested incorrect suggestions for this incident. But we understand each other. The Russian language is quite rich. From the words "crime", "mistake", "incident", much changes.
              From a legal point of view, this is a crime. This is a mistake with the military. Politically, this incident should not affect relations between states.
              Offhand. Boeing shot down over Sakhalin, Boeing shot down over Donbas, Airbus over the Persian Gulf, Ukrainian Boeing in Iran, Russian TU over the Black Sea.
              Where and in what case was the ambassador sent, demanded the head of the culprit, or threatened with nuclear weapons?

              The analogies given by you also came to my mind. Most interesting is the incident with the IL-20 shot down by the Syrians. Even a criminal case was not opened. And it's clear why. When initiating a criminal case in that case, it would also have to qualify the actions of the calculation as premeditated murder. Otherwise it is simply impossible. In Syria, the situation was generally delicate: ours near Damascus shot down our plane with our missile. It's good that Jews exist. Blame for all occasions. In the Syrian incident, that was fine with everyone. But the approaches are different. Double. Yes, the qualifications are correct, but they could not have initiated the case. As in the Syrian incident. After all, the analogy is complete. So there is a political component. In relation to Azerbaijan. I don’t believe that competent guys from the UK first qualify knowingly incorrectly, then retrain. It’s from someone’s supply. The impression is that a legal spark has been created, which at the right time may turn into not just a fire, but a factor of political tension. However, this has nothing to do with our exchange of legal opinions.
            7. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
              Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 7 January 2021 01: 46
              0
              Hey, the Syrians beat the enemy Judah, okay? And remember, we remember everything and will pay triple.
            8. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 11 January 2021 13: 09
              -1
              Before being, one must first learn to fight.
  • Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 18: 08
    -5
    Quote: Restless Sagittarius
    Russia is tired of boorish Russophobia.

    My uncle, the most honest rules ... Are you tired of your own disrespectful attitude? So maybe they themselves can change their attitude towards themselves and then others will also respect
    1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 19: 42
      +5
      Well, if it never occurred to you that the people who built you cities, hospitals, factories, universities should be respected, and not killed and robbed on a national basis, then there is nothing to respect you, you are not grown up. But you need to draw conclusions in relation to you, and since the carrot is not for your horse, then it's time to get the whip. The United States does not feed anyone, kicks everyone who is not lazy and everyone is good, especially the post-Soviet non-states, who have separated from Russia, sick with Russophobia. It is necessary for the Russian Federation to follow the example of the United States, once a year to feed you and milk you every day, and the chip of which is a humanitarian rocket attack, or a bombing ...
    2. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 19: 59
      -4
      I don't quite understand your logic liable for military service and burdened with problems, but if you are not so happy - go into politics and solve these problems: good luck. You seem to understand everything

      Quote: Restless Sagittarius
      Russia, especially under Yeltsin, at the official level, turned a blind eye to crimes committed against Russians on ethnic grounds in the republics of the former USSR, this is the fault of Yeltsin and company, but this does not negate the guilt of those who organized pogroms on ethnic grounds in the countries separated from Russia and the governments of these countries, covering this chaos.

      Have a nice day
  • Akuzenka Online Akuzenka
    Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 January 2021 18: 58
    -2
    Of course deliberately. This was done by agents of influence (they are grabbed on both sides of the conflict) or ordinary foreign saboteurs (SGA, Great Britain, Israel, Turkey). I don't think there is a need to explain the purpose. We decided to hush up, apologized, compensated. The conflict is over. The provocation failed. Not enough for you? "Take a saber and a horse and into the line of fire!" We are not bothering you.
    1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 19: 45
      +4
      If you kill someone from your loved ones, burn down your apartment (it is cheaper than a helicopter, but perhaps you are dear to something), and then apologize and offer compensation, not the fact that it is high, the conflict will be settled, or what ?!
      1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
        Rashid116 (Rashid) 4 January 2021 20: 38
        +9
        Our companions in power will merge as always, I propose personal sanctions. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM ISERS. All countries friendly to us can supply. Yes, the logistics are not ready, all warehouses and markets are under the aisers. But they will collapse and sell cheap to whoever we choose. It's just that it will take some time, be patient or line up next, if possible. Do not be afraid to compete with them, respond to lawlessness with lawlessness. Stand up for each other, they are only a herd of heroes-tested.
        1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
          Rashid116 (Rashid) 4 January 2021 21: 16
          +5
          I would like to add. Imagine such a picture - all the gas stations they have are ours, in the middle of Baku there is such a non-children's oil depot (well, like FUDSITY, it is Iizer). At all these facilities, local hard workers and everyone who produces oil there must sell it to us cheaply, or for a considerable fee, it should be admitted to the lousiest trading places. If the locals don't like that we are drinking and playing the accordion in the middle of the night, a herd of us immediately gathers and we go to pile on him. Well, if we again have a fight with the Ukrainians, then we and they move to the streets of their cities (where they have wives and children, but we don't care) and begin our showdown. Have you presented? But not me...
        2. Akuzenka Online Akuzenka
          Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 January 2021 21: 19
          +3
          Rashid, the people do not decide ANYTHING. The capitalist decides. Capitalists are satisfied with armed conflicts in which they forge loot. They really do not care how many and who will die. Profit is the main thing. Everything else from the capitalist is a hyena grin. They will not change suppliers and logistics - costs. They do not care about the interests of the state, the main thing is their pocket.
        3. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
          Rashid116 (Rashid) 4 January 2021 22: 22
          +5
          So we have to score on them. To wag from taxes, to hide children from the army. And, let's say, if you and I don't buy from the suppliers they offer. Let's tell our friends-neighbors, they are theirs. We will still work this summer at the dacha in full growth, even if. Why am I so involved in the Russians? I also have Russian blood (from my mother). My wife is Russian (we will soon celebrate our life together for 25 years). And if you sit on the priest exactly, nothing will be decided, this will suit our covs very much. That's why they constantly throw in about STABILITY, her mother. Well, pride should wake up in all of you, even in old age. For your children and grandchildren.
        4. Tatyana Offline Tatyana
          Tatyana 5 January 2021 11: 46
          0
          The Russian MI-24 was shot down in the skies of Armenia by the Azerbaijani side deliberately provocatively with the aim of CONTINUING the war.

          Namely.
          In principle, neither Turkey, represented by Erdogan, nor Azerbaijan, represented by Aliyev, are satisfied with stopping the war with the Armenians, since Azerbaijan and Turkey did not achieve their initial military-political goals in this war - to destroy NKR, then Armenia and move on.
          At the same time, Erdogan has goals, like Hitler's in the Third Reich, against Russia. Aliyev is simply in the deck of his playing cheating cards.
          And Erdogan was raised with his Turkey, again by the collective West, as a tool of the West against the existence of Russia for its dismemberment and final colonization.
          All this is the forerunner to TMV.

          Erdogan launched an offensive against Russia • 4 Jan. 2021

        5. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
          Rashid116 (Rashid) 5 January 2021 18: 09
          +2
          Tatiana, hello, sorry I didn't watch your video. I see this whining and on TV every day, and what, then we whine? It's time to act, each to the best of his ability, at least join the boycott. This will be more useful, I already know that they are beguiled ...
  • Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
    Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 7 January 2021 01: 48
    0
    Yes, the fact of the matter is that they are not ours, filthy hirelings.
  • Akuzenka Online Akuzenka
    Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 January 2021 20: 48
    -2
    So you took "saber and horse" ?! Why put both minus and humiliate ?! Good. Do you know that all our soldiers are contract soldiers there? Those. mercenaries and know what they are fighting for ?! No? I can tell you for money, for the redistribution of property, for the profits of "our" capitalists, for new guest workers in the Russian Federation, for oligarchs' yachts, for propaganda, for feeding their families. Oh, you mean the dead? Why are you? Why not the government? For people like you: the Russian Federation will not do ANYTHING if it does not meet its security interests and profits for the capitalists. Don't believe me? I am sincerely sorry for you.
  • Akuzenka Online Akuzenka
    Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 January 2021 21: 22
    0
    From the point of view of the state, yes. From the point of view of the capitalist, he still raises the loot. And the conflict will be settled. Will you fit in for me? No. Then all your pathos is guano!
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  • Mikhail Svetlov_2 (Mikhail Svetlov) 7 January 2021 01: 15
    -5
    Listen to a power with a standard of living below the Macedonian and 20 million beggars. What kind of war are you talking about? You will not survive the next war in Donbass. Or remind you what little Chechnya has done to you? If you want war, you get it. Your vaunted weapon has been turned into trash and a laughing stock in Karabakh. We are not Georgians or Balts. Let's set fire to your sowing. Caucasus so it will end with the collapse of the fastener. Turkey is behind Azerbaijan. And you probably don't need to explain what army Turkey has. And don't worry about yao either. Pakistan will kindly lend it to Turkey if that.
    1. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
      Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 7 January 2021 01: 58
      +2
      Ha, ha, I’ll explain it to you myself, soldier, Turkey has an army that has been raking more than 10 from a Russian soldier, I found something to threaten. They gouged weapons, well, the weapon itself will not give back, for iron. You gouged the junk, which served all the standard terms for a long time, but it would give you a light if the warriors were in control of it, and not the militias, who have nothing but anger and a desire to fight.
  • marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 5 January 2021 06: 52
    -1
    But if you want to fight, we will fight.
    Of course, a daring answer, but in principle with the Concerned it is necessary, they are very much accustomed to sandals, again they take off their hat in front of everyone and you, bassoons, well, they have no pride.
    They sold their own in the Donbass, like they were busy in Syria, and people died for their pro-Russian sentiments (((((
    What about the helicopter !? So women still give birth to them !!!!!
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2021 08: 08
    +1
    Quote: Bakht
    But if you want to fight, we will fight.

    "Russian world" is not an empty phrase, is it?
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2021 13: 10
      -1
      No, not empty. But with whom I communicate hardly belongs to the "Russian world". Russian is not someone who speaks Russian, and Russian according to the passport.
      Think about what he writes. Man calls for war. Calls to flush all the achievements of Russia in the South Caucasus down the toilet. In principle, he (as well as you) is dissatisfied with the fact that Russia has strengthened itself in the South Caucasus and secured its southern flank. You want to turn your neutral neighbor into an enemy. Capture Azerbaijan or turn it into dust? Well then, there will definitely not be Russian military personnel, but American ones. Russia will lose billions of dollars, gain enemy bases close by and lose access to the Persian Gulf. The straits will also close and the situation in Syria will become clearly difficult for Russia. I can repeat "if you want to fight, we will fight." Azerbaijan will lose the war, and Russia will lose the world.
      And who is for the "Russian world" and who is against it?

      A person's head is not only a hat
      1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
        Rashid116 (Rashid) 5 January 2021 18: 30
        +1
        Bakht, you zadolbali to catch up, it's not scary at all))). We will lose, then it is necessary, the more the loss is not great. We need to pump for our own, local, who did not understand this, he is in the junk.
      2. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
        Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 7 January 2021 02: 03
        -1
        Don't be so naive, you won't have any Omerikans, Putin may not give a damn about the life of Russian soldiers, but the bases of Omerikans in the Caucasus are a blow to the sole power of the usurper.
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2021 14: 02
      -2
      So pulling death by the mustache (I do not advise fighting the Russian Federation), although, you decide, if you want to fight, we will fight.

      I have a couple of minutes to clarify my position. Although, I feel that it is useless. All the fuss started because of the aggressiveness of one of the users. But judging by the number of pros and cons, it is supported by the majority on this site. I am only interested in the pros and cons only as a marker of sentiment on the site. Not more.
      So - here they are threatening with military actions against Azerbaijan. Let's look at the "alternative future". Moreover, you claim that your predictions come true. I disagree with that, but that's none of my business.
      So Russia declares war on Azerbaijan. The Azerbaijani army is concentrated in the western direction. The north is practically open. Plus the Navy, plus the Airborne Forces. Azerbaijan has been defeated for several days. Well, maybe a couple of weeks. Russia occupies Azerbaijan and is forced to keep a couple of divisions here. Are there so many of them in Russia?
      The Azerbaijani army is concentrated in the western direction and through Zangezur (Armenia) goes to Nakhichevan. Turkish troops are also entering Nakhichevan. From Yerevan and Gyumri there is a "lunar landscape". There are 10 million people in Azerbaijan. A guerrilla war begins. First pin pricks, then small detachments, like in Afghanistan. The support of the West will be provided - you can be sure.

      Russia is de facto at war with Azerbaijan and Turkey. The Bosphorus is closed and the "Syrian Express" is also covered with a copper basin. Only military transport aircraft can be supplied to the group in Syria. The naval group in the Eastern Mediterranean can be supplied through the field of Europe from the Baltic. Moreover, the English Channel may also close, like Gibraltar. All agreements with Turkey on Syria are covered with a copper basin.

      Ukraine and the Baltic states, using the example of Azerbaijan, require protection and NATO troops are already officially entering their territory. The West is 100 km from St. Petersburg and 300 km from Moscow. That is, Moscow urgently needs to build up its grouping in the West and South and keep them on high alert.

      The military aspect can be closed. I don't see any advantages for Russia.

      The political aspect. The USSR was already expelled from the League of Nations. I assure you that this is a UN crisis and Russia may well lose its place in the Security Council. Moreover, the pressure will be from almost all sides. I don't see any advantages for Russia either.

      Economy. The sanctions will become comprehensive. Up to the ban on energy trade and bank transfers. There will be practically nothing to buy in the West. I do not presume to predict China's position, but I think that China will oppose Russia. They have invested a lot of money in the Silk Road and the war on this way is not at all profitable for them. I don't see any advantages for Russia here either.

      "Russian world" is not an empty phrase, is it?

      Now, adding two and two, tell me for whom is the "Russian world" not an empty phrase?
      1. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
        Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 7 January 2021 02: 07
        0
        No, no, what are you, the cauldrons will be waiting for the army of Azerbaijan, and Turkey will have a missile strike and it will not go anywhere. I have already said that this is a blow to Putin's power.
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  • Breard Offline Breard
    Breard (Serg) 4 January 2021 13: 03
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    Yes, almost true! BUT! Moscow, the Kremlin, V.V. this will not go.
    Azerbaijan, or rather Turkey! will dictate YOUR decision!
    Aliyev is only Erdogan's puppet!
  • ioan-e Offline ioan-e
    ioan-e (Boris) 4 January 2021 13: 04
    +5
    About Gaster - it would be nice to start with this!
    1. Akuzenka Online Akuzenka
      Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 January 2021 19: 02
      +3
      That, alas, will not happen. As long as the capitalists are in charge, they will take away the work of the Russians, the Russians are more expensive for "their" capitalists. And as hunger presses, nationalism will raise its head. And it will rush. And who is to blame - "our" capitalist! Doesn't want to pay Russians. Everything is trite.
  • Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 13: 19
    -2
    Quote: Restless Sagittarius
    And here it is not tricky. 1) ... all Gaster out of the Russian Federation, the closure of the border, the termination of bank transfers from the Russian Federation and a complete embargo on trade, let them sell their tomatoes to Turkey, if they can.

    I would only expand the first point: I would add to the list of the guilty those who sent the Russian helicopter to the area of ​​hostilities, what were they thinking about?
    A passage about re-qualification by Russian investigators for a more serious article - premeditated murder excuse me, I consider it a “game for the audience”: of course, those who launched the launch did not just pick up MANPADS, this is not a toy.
    There is a need to really understand, and not look for someone to hang on to.
    1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 21
      +3
      The helicopter was shot down after the ceasefire. Everyone knew well about his departure.
      1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 13: 25
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        Quote: Restless Sagittarius
        after the conclusion of the truce. Everyone knew well about his departure.

        But this is, sorry, controversial. We are talking about a maximum of hours, and what the presidents have agreed on does not always become immediately known in the trenches.
        I in no way justify the shooting, but there are many questions to the leadership of the Russian group in Armenia, what did they think about?
        1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 29
          +3
          Dear sir, do you yourself believe in what you write ?! The armistice agreement was concluded at a certain time and the turntable took off after the start of the armistice. We live in the age of cell phones, radio and satellite communications, so information travels very quickly now. If they didn't report it, what were they thinking about ?! The investigation came to the conclusion that the shooting was deliberate and the turntable was waiting at the X-hour exactly where it was shot down.
          1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 13: 37
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            Quote: Restless Sagittarius
            Dear sir, you yourself believe

            You know, back in the reception room on Znamenka 19, one colonel reproached me for not reading orders. He lived in an ideal world and sincerely did not understand that the order might not reach a large unit within six months. Ask yourself: I think not in terms of an ideal world.
            And one more thing: do you seriously believe in the transmission of orders over mobile networks? Do you have the opportunity to see the timeline of events?
            Even if you answer yes, the question to the management of the RF Armed Forces remains - what is the point?
            1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 41
              +4
              Good gentleman, if someone is negligent in his service and through his fault the order did not reach your unit, then the guilty person has a first and last name. Shoals with communication in the Azerbaijani army, this is the problem of Azerbaijan and he is responsible for these shoals.
              1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 14: 05
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                Quote: Restless Sagittarius
                Shoals with communication in the Azerbaijani army, this is the problem of Azerbaijan and he is responsible for these shoals.

                They do not seem to be unlocked, give time. But if the investigators of the Russian Federation begin to give without thinking, they will receive a zilch. This is a policy and Azerbaijan is free to pursue it in its own interests.
                Given the laid out timeline of events -

                Quote: Restless Sagittarius
                the culprit has a first and last name.
                1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 22
                  +4
                  They want to spoil relations with the Russian Federation, let them spoil it. The Russian Federation needs all these former republics of the USSR and people from them, if at all, much less than the Russian Federation needs them. The Russian Federation is also free to do as it deems necessary, up to the declaration of war. This is the right of the Russian Federation.
                  1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 15: 23
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                    Quote: Restless Sagittarius
                    The Russian Federation is also free to do as it deems necessary

                    Nobody seems to be attempting to do this; Azerbaijan, too, did not seem to refuse. Agree.
                    They will convince Azerbaijan to take all sins upon themselves, for God's sake.
                    But for me the question of the expediency of sending a helicopter is open, unfortunately.
                    1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 15: 26
                      +3
                      The helicopter was sent to cover the convoy of Russian troops, but before you shoot, you have to think about where you are shooting. They even explain this to future hunters, before buying a double-barreled pukalka, and even more so they must explain it to the military.
                    2. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 18: 15
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                      Quote: Restless Sagittarius
                      The helicopter was sent to cover the column of Russian troops

                      Ask the question - what were they doing there, near the demarcation line in the dark? The ceasefire decision was announced the next morning. What were the planners thinking? That is the question; so that it does not happen again.
                      And you correctly noticed about thinking about it ..
                    3. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 18: 19
                      +3
                      In our time, there is reconnaissance, and air reconnaissance from the side of Azerbaijan and Turkey over Karabakh was carried out constantly, and the reconnaissance means now allow you to see everything very far. Do not write to me that someone did not know that the turntable belongs to the Air Force of the Russian Federation, I will not believe in such tales, because I myself served. I can assume that, perhaps, the scumbags who Erdogon brought to Karabakh from Syria were shooting, but this does not diminish the fault of Azerbaijan, which allowed them to enter its territory.
                    4. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 18: 44
                      -2
                      Well, if you served, then tell me please, what is the difference between the Crocodile VKS / Azerbaijani or Armenian in the Caucasian night? For a fighter sitting in a trench on the contact line?
                      Do you sincerely believe in connectivity? Do you also believe in the ability to make decisions as ordinary people? Blessed is he who believes.
                    5. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 18: 48
                      +2
                      Well, if, apart from an ordinary shepherd with a Stinger MANPADS, there is no one in the Azerbaijani army to make a decision, and no one controls this miracle in feathers (there are apparently no officers), then the lights are out. But then it is no longer an army of the state, but a gang of some sort ... The turntables are distinguished by identification marks, a friend or foe system, and as I already wrote to you, I don’t believe that having a bunch of scouts in the air, Baku and Ankara did not know that the turntable flies the RF Air Force.
                    6. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 18: 56
                      -1
                      Quote: Restless Sagittarius
                      The turntables are distinguished by identification marks, a friend or foe system ...

                      And please specify which system was firing? And about the identification marks in the night, can you imagine the Caucasian night?

                      Quote: Restless Sagittarius
                      ..to have a bunch of scouts in the air

                      If these funds were available, this information still needs to be transferred to a specific trench: are you sure that individual units of the Azerbaijani army are ready for a centric war? I'm not sure.
                      I am sure that the trouble could and should have been avoided: think about planning, a little bit
                    7. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 19: 02
                      +1
                      1) They were shooting from MANPADS, most likely Stinger, which are full in Turkey. If the army shoots at anyone, it is a gang, not an army, and the Russian Federation has every right to fire to suppress bandit formations, the actions of which, in your opinion, no one controls or directs them. After all, according to you, the Azerbaijani army is a herd of armed thugs who shoot wherever they go, even without officers, which is horror in itself.

                      2) I have an excellent idea of ​​what modern intelligence is. The turntable was just being prepared for departure, but they already knew that it was being prepared in Baku and Ankara. If there they do not consider it necessary to inform their soldiers and officers in a timely manner, to lead them, then these peoples do not need an army and statehood, it means that they are undersized.
                    8. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 19: 09
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                      Quote: Restless Sagittarius
                      I have a good idea of ​​what modern intelligence is ..

                      Do you really live in a perfect world? I even envy you somewhere: in reality, everything is not so simple.
                      Even if it was a Stinger, and Azerbaijan has a lot of Stral / Eagle in service, I doubt that in the pure MANPADS version they are equipped with state recognition units.
                      You don’t want to hear - planning is a serious process and it needs to be done, there will be fewer problems.
                    9. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 19: 13
                      +1
                      Good gentleman, I live in the real World, but in my city, thank God, no one just shoots at each other, although the citizens have a lot of weapons, only I have 4 pieces of firearms in my hands .. Probably because I I live in a city, not in a mental hospital or in the Wild West of the United States. Before you shoot somewhere, you have to think with your head, there will be fewer problems, especially if you shoot towards a nuclear power that can wipe your country off the face of the Earth with one left.
                    10. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 19: 15
                      -4
                      Good luck in your "real world". The main thing is not to play with MANPADS.
        2. marciz Offline marciz
          marciz (Stas) 5 January 2021 07: 02
          0
          Well, yes, here they are fighting with Bayraktars, otherwise they could not recognize the helicopter of the Russian Armed Forces !! We knew! It's just that they also know that the noise will both rise and subside after spitting in the face of the Russian Armed Forces !!!
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 29
    -4
    The helicopter was shot down on November 9. The truce was signed on November 10. You have the wrong information. And wrong conclusions.
    1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 30
      +3
      Okay, a ceasefire agreement was signed. The information I have is correct, and what you knew about the helicopter flight is also proven.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 31
        -4
        Where and by whom is it proven? Don't confuse your speculations with facts.
        1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 43
          +3
          Have you seen the title of this article? It is written there:

          Moscow announced intentional destruction of Mi-24 of the Russian Air Force '

          So this is not my speculation, but the opinion of the Russian government, and this is already serious.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 45
            -5
            This is the opinion of the author of the article, but not of the Russian government. Don't Confuse God's Gift with Scrambled Eggs
            1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 48
              +2
              The author of the article described the opinion of the Russian government, not his own. He wrote about the investigative committee of the state of the Russian Federation, and not about a personal journalistic investigation. Feel the difference.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 52
                -3
                You don't feel the difference. These are the words of an "unnamed source". But not the Government of the Russian Federation. Do you need to translate from Russian into Russian?
                Here is the source
                https://www.interfax.ru/russia/743995
                1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 58
                  +2
                  Interfax is a serious media outlet, one of the three leaders in the Russian Federation. This is not a tabloid newspaper, they will not print anything at all.
                2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 14: 01
                  -3
                  Is there even a word about the Government of the Russian Federation?
                3. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 04
                  +2
                  There is about the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, and it acts on behalf of the government of the Russian Federation, this is not a private cheburek, but the State Structure, and that a criminal case has been opened, and they could refuse to initiate a criminal case. They did not refuse, so they do not consider it necessary.
                4. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 14: 07
                  -4
                  Once again - the Investigative Committee is not a final decision. A preliminary investigation. The act itself may be re-qualified more than once. The final verdict is made by the court. And the court in Russia for Conchitius does not subordinate to the Government.
                  These are the facts.
                5. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 12
                  +2
                  No one says that the Investigative Committee is the final decision, the final decision on this issue will seem to be made by the President of the Russian Federation and the ranks from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, otherwise you will not be enough of any helicopters if you allow every stoned shepherd to shoot them down with impunity from Stinger MANPADS. Judges in the Russian Federation are appointed by the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, and it is by the Supreme Council and the President of the Russian Federation, so the court in the Russian Federation is also not a private Cheburechnaya.
  • Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 13: 52
    -3
    On November 10, 2020, a joint statement was published by the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia and the President of the Russian Federation on a complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone from 00:00 Moscow time on November 10, 2020. Peace Agreement in Nagorno-Karabakh signed
    Statement by the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia and President of the Russian Federation. 10 November 2020 11:45

    Kremlin.ru
    The helicopter was shot down on the 9th at 18:30.

    Quote: Restless Sagittarius
    The information I have is correct, and what you knew about the helicopter flight is also proven.

    Again, I am not making excuses for the shooters, but the situation with the helicopter is very ambiguous. Your energy, but back on track - the 21st year will definitely be better than the 20th.
  • Tamara Smirnova Offline Tamara Smirnova
    Tamara Smirnova (Tamara Smirnova) 4 January 2021 13: 30
    0
    Aliyev began to implement points 2 and 3 the very next day: he called Putin, pleaded guilty for the death of the helicopter and the crew, offered payments to families and Russia. And he is unlikely to betray his citizens to Russia. By the way, there are very few Azeris from Azeris, and those Azerbaijanis who live here have passports of Russian citizens and own all food markets. So your plan, unfortunately, is impracticable, unless the ambassador will be changed, and even then it is unlikely.
    1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 33
      +1
      Many of my acquaintances, before the collapse of the USSR, also lived outside the Russian Federation, and then the local titular nations (asked) them to leave for their Russia, so as Russia says it will be so ... Or else they may fly out of the markets from the Russian Federation for disloyalty , it's like two fingers on the asphalt. As they decide in Moscow, so it will be, and there, too, the patience ends.
      1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 14: 00
        -2
        Quote: Restless Sagittarius
        acquaintances before the collapse of the USSR also lived outside the Russian Federation, and then the local titular nations (asked) them to leave for their Russia.

        Well, if you project your private situation onto what is happening, then be honest to the end and ask yourself the right questions: why did this happen? Is there a real Russian policy in relation to former relatives and in relation to compatriots? And what does the RF do to protect its / their interests? We do not take a bunch of staple / pop / zhdanka into account, they only harm. Maybe it's high time to create some long-term plans - how to live on and voice them clearly? I look at you with plenty of courage - do it and I hope you succeed wink
        1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 57
          +2
          Unfortunately, I have enough of my own problems. However, I am liable for military service. So that. The fact that Russia, especially under Yeltsin, at the official level, turned a blind eye to crimes committed against Russians on ethnic grounds in the republics of the former USSR, this is the fault of Yeltsin and company, but this does not negate the guilt of those who organized pogroms on ethnic grounds in the Russia countries and the governments of these countries covered this chaos.
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 43
      -4
      That the ambassador should be changed, I wrote at the same time. And not even in connection with this incident. He has already received a scolding from the Office of the President of Azerbaijan. But, once again, the change of the ambassador is a political act, on which the decision is made by the government of Azerbaijan. Russia can express a wish to replace the ambassador. May not accept his credentials or even revoke his permission. But this has nothing to do with this incident.
      1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 46
        +1
        I already wrote to you that Russia can kick your ambassador in the neck, just as at one time they were driving Russian diplomats from a number of countries. It is up to the Russian Federation to accept a specific person as an ambassador or not. And you yourself have now agreed that the Russian Federation may not ask, but send your ambassador home of its own free will
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 50
          -4
          Maybe just ask. From which country have you expelled the ambassador in the last 50 years? Not lower-ranking diplomats, but the ambassador.
          1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 51
            +3
            In Turkey, for example, the Russian ambassador was simply killed. Do you want to do the same with yours ?!
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 54
              -5
              I tell you that you have bloodthirsty instincts.

              And what happened after the assassination of the Russian ambassador to Turkey? Turkey's ambassador killed in Moscow? Or kicked him out of the country?
              1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 00
                +2
                I have?! The family of my classmate are Russian refugees from Baku. Do you know a lot of Azerbaijani refugees from the Russian Federation? I think no. And after that, you dare to write to me that I am bloodthirsty ?! Compared to your fellow countrymen, I am more than civilized!
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 14: 04
                  -3
                  Russian refugees from Baku? I hear it for the first time. I know that a lot of Russians LEAVE from Baku. Including my friends. I correspond with everyone. But this is the first time I've heard about REFUGEES.
                  By the way, my wife is Russian.
                  Compared to certain of your fellow countrymen, I am more than civilized
                  1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 07
                    +3
                    How ?! And I studied in the same class with such a person. They arrived in my city in 1991 and, according to them, they were not seen off in Russia with flowers. The family is large there and I tend to believe my people, not you.
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 14: 12
                      -3
                      As you wish. I'm tired of explaining to people that the opinion of one person does not mean anything. They say "he lies like an eyewitness."
                      Russians were not expelled from Azerbaijan. It was just that they were uncomfortable in the nation state when the Russian language was out of communication. There are a lot of Russians in Baku, there are Russian schools and churches. And no one expelled Russians from Azerbaijan. I remember a conversation with a representative of the Russian embassy. "If you decide to stay in Azerbaijan, you will have to learn the Azerbaijani language."
                      Nobody was seen off with flowers. But they were not expelled. Ask that person - he sold the apartment, left normally, or was he kicked out in the snow barefoot?
                    2. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 17
                      +2
                      You must understand that in the Russian Federation they will believe the Russians, and not the citizens of the countries from which, according to them, they were expelled, some of them having been killed, and many after having been robbed. Well, if you are a reasonable person, you should understand this, if not, then no ... Judging by the fact that they arrived almost without pants, he did not sell the apartment there, and if he did, then for a pittance. Many people and not only those who came to Russia from Baku told about posters in the style “Don't buy apartments from Vanya and Masha, they will be ours anyway”. I have no reason not to trust these people.
                    3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 14: 42
                      -2
                      There were no such posters.
                      Whom you want to believe. I don’t believe private stories for a long time. Because I lived and live here among Russians and Russian-speakers. And around me now in the workplace is full of Russians. I know the trends.
                      The refugees were Armenians. Jews and Russians left on their own. There were about 200-300 thousand Jews and Russians in Baku. In total, about half a million. Apartments were very cheap then. Our Azerbaijanis offered me an apartment of 100 square meters in the city center for only $ 7. It was just that no one had money back then.
                      So you can trust anyone. I lived in Baku at that time. And my daughter went to a Russian school and graduated from the institute in Russian. Do not believe it - your business. About the court, I tried to give a link to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Internet failure, failed. But you can see articles 118 and 120 for yourself.
                      Even if the Chief Justice is appointed by the President or the Lord God, justice in Russia is carried out on the basis of the Law. And the judge is not accountable to anyone except the Constitution and the Law. Moreover, some Investigative Committee.
                      About the helicopter. You have incorrect information and have already been told. The helicopter was shot down 6 hours before the signing of the Armistice. Shot down far from their base. Accompanied a convoy of military equipment near the border with Azerbaijan. There the distance is from 500 meters to 1 km. No one could have guessed that this was a Russian helicopter. Azerbaijan immediately admitted its guilt, apologized and agreed to pay compensation. And they created a joint group of investigators.
                      There will be a final decision and everyone will agree. This is a tragic accident.
                    4. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 50
                      +3
                      1) The judge is subject to the law and a decision will be made based on the data of the investigative committee (evidence). The judge cannot refuse to accept the evidence, he is obliged to accept it by law. If everything were as simple as it seems to you, the very opening of a criminal case would have been refused. Accident or not, will be decided in the Russian Federation. Even if this is an accident, and there is already evidence that this is a deliberate act (because the case is already being considered in this vein), then you will have to answer for accidental murder

                      2) As for the posters, I am sure that they were, because people who did not know each other, who came from different republics of the former USSR, spoke about them.

                      3) As for the refugees from Baku, they told me that they started with pogroms of the Armenian population, and ended up with all non-titular nations. People were dismissed from their jobs, on the basis of their ethnicity, especially from a good job, depriving them of their livelihood, and that is at least.
                    5. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 15: 00
                      -4
                      Again you are confusing Azerbaijan with "different republics of the former USSR".
                      There were no pogroms of the Russians at all. How do my Russian friends still own apartments in the center of Baku? How do I work alongside the Russians if they were all fired back in the 90s?
                      It is better to see once than hear a hundred times. Come to Baku and see for yourself. This quarantine will end and you can come to Azerbaijan. I guarantee you break the template.
                    6. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 15: 33
                      +3
                      1) I am not confusing, I am generalizing, since Azerbaijan is no exception. Good gentleman, I already wrote to you that in the Russian Federation they will believe the Russian refugees who have come from Baku, and not the citizens of the country from which they fled. If you do not wish to understand this, these are your difficulties. You are in vain trying to prove something, since there are many refugees from the countries of the former USSR in the Russian Federation and they all cannot lie, but the citizens of the former republics of the USSR, separated from Russia, all write, like you, literally as a carbon copy, denying the obvious.

                      2) Do not confuse Russians with non-Russians who know Russian. Bandera also know Russian, but Russians are not members of the Right Sector and similar fascist organizations, they are non-Russians.
                    7. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 15: 41
                      -2
                      Yes, I'm trying in vain to prove that you are wrong. Words are more important to you. I do not confuse Russians with Russian speakers. Russian-speaking is me. But the relatives of the wife of the Cossacks who live in the Kuban are Russians. And my mother-in-law, as she lived in the center of Baku in a good apartment, still lives. And no one encroached on her.
                      For God's sake, stay in your opinion. I found out everything about the helicopter. You have a lot of wrong information.
                    8. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 15: 49
                      +4
                      Yes, the words of the Russians for me (and in Russia in general) weigh a lot more than the words of a citizen of a foreign country, especially the former USSR, and this is natural. Although you are trying to present it as obvious, incredible. In your opinion, all Russian refugees who have come to Russia from your countries are lying, at least people like you in the post-Soviet countries, all as one, they say it. But we believe ours, not you, including because many of you, even coming to the Russian Federation, do not want to respect the laws and customs of the local population and behave defiantly, and then they make a surprised face when they learn that their neighbors hate them.
                2. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 17: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: Bakht
                  you can come to Azerbaijan

                  I liked this city: even when it was surrounded by roadblocks; we walked on it in uniform and nothing, ate on the AzNeft square; outside the city nothing seemed to happen at all. Then there were Lenkoran's at the Adjikabul bridge, shooting from the bushes at planes with humanitarian aid, and we left, another story ... I then visited it more than once.
                  It's useless to argue, energy Restless yes in the right direction ..
                3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 17: 31
                  -3
                  Did you enter Baku in January 1990?
                4. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 17: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Did you enter Baku in January 1990?

                  No, we were not in Baku in the summer in the fall of '89 and returned in the spring in the summer of '90. We have been to Baku more than once in uniform: we sincerely quarreled with the bus drivers: we did not pay because in the shape of laughing Of course they knew about the events, they did not feel on themselves, the specialization is different. I agree with the Supreme Command: the collapse of the Union is the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century.
                  The death of the helicopter should not go unpunished: and, in my opinion, the RF Armed Forces should learn lessons, otherwise this will happen more than once. As a priority, I would designate compensation to families directly from Azerbaijan: the guys cannot be returned, but the politicians will agree on their own
                5. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 17: 53
                  0
                  Well, by that time Baku was no longer the same.
                  They wrote about the helicopter more than once and in hot pursuit. Strictly speaking, even if the helicopter was Armenian, ours should not have shot it down. Ours did not go over the territory of Armenia. But there are specifics. A road 500 meters from the border, dusk and a military column. Someone shot from MANPADS. Punished in full, I have no doubt about it.
                  But Azerbaijan did not bother and hide. Recognized immediately. And we agree about compensation. They will determine the amount and be sure to pay. I'm sorry for the guys. They accompanied the Russian convoy to Karabakh. But who knew it then?
                  After the introduction of a peacekeeping brigade in Karabakh (November-December), at least one Russian officer has already been killed and another wounded. Blown up by mines. The work of the military is like this. You can die.
                  This in no way justifies the carelessness of our military. I have already said that they will definitely be punished. About a couple of weeks ago there was a video of Azerbaijani soldiers destroying Armenian graves in Karabakh. Four have already been arrested and will face trial.
                6. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 4 January 2021 18: 04
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                  Quote: Bakht
                  A road 500 meters from the border, dusk and a military column. Someone shot from MANPADS ..

                  You know, when the special forces release the hostages there is a rule: the hostage should lie down and not throw himself with hot embraces until they kick the bochin with their feet and ask them to leave, they are under adrenaline and can shoot. I think something similar happened here: some have not calmed down yet, others have gone close to the demarcation line ... It's a pity for the guys, so I hope for direct compensation to the families from Azerbaijan; politicians will agree and will forget the hour.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  They will punish in full, I do not even doubt it. ..Azerbaijani soldiers are destroying Armenian graves in Karabakh. Four have already been arrested and will face trial.

                  It is worthy, it should be so.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  Well, by that time Baku was no longer the same ...

                  Military patrols in armored vehicles and with AK were first seen there. But the city was very charming, and outside the city there was a completely different world - some kind of complacency, as if nothing was happening.
                7. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 18: 15
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                  It was different in different places.
                  Molokan villages are still flourishing. The most famous is Ivanovka. They even kept the collective farm. Kolkhoz named after Nikitin.

                  http://cbc.az/ru/news/news1608026267
    3. Akuzenka Online Akuzenka
      Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 January 2021 22: 01
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      Quote: Restless Sagittarius
      1) The judge is subject to the law

      Ahahaha, not even funny. Judges, according to the law, are not subject to jurisdiction !!!!!!! In order to condemn (what a horror, judge) the President's decision is required !!!!!!
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 4 January 2021 14: 43
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    Colleagues got excited, sparks are flying from the monitor of the note. Has our base in Gyumri warned our Azerbaijani colleagues in Nakhichevan? There are a lot of communication channels today, even if the cable between cities has been dug up everywhere and handed over in non-ferrous metal. There are several answers: they did not warn, the signalman forgot to send, the signalman received it, but forgot to report, reported, but someone made a commanding decision ...

    It is necessary to emphasize the necessary, only because it will not become easier for the victims and their families ...
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 15: 43
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      Yes you are right.
      The boss is already looking at me askance. I sit in front of this monitor for half the watch. There is not even time to look at others.
      All the best and enjoyable.
      bye
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 4 January 2021 15: 56
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        See you later ...
  • Mikhail Svetlov_2 (Mikhail Svetlov) 7 January 2021 01: 03
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    To all Armenians who sympathize with the "eternally infinitely suffering" Armenians and other lovers of Satan's-Bogdasarov scoundrels, Russia can change at least 10 articles, but it will not change anything. You can shove your threats to hell. We are not Georgians or Latvians. The answer is not sickly. If necessary, we will burn the sowing ourselves. The Caucasus will not seem like a little. And you yourself know that the hatred for the center there is prohibitive and you only need a match to set fire to this cauldron. About the downed helicopter. I think they shot down correctly. Do not fly where you have never flown, especially during the war and even provocatively near the border. You'd better be silent. Shooting down passenger Boeings still dare to blame someone for something.
    1. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
      Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 7 January 2021 02: 12
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      I advise you to go straight to Chechnya, well, set it on fire so that they will meet you there, the password is dunno.
  • Robert Davtyan Offline Robert Davtyan
    Robert Davtyan (Robert Davtyan) 11 January 2021 15: 41
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    What prevents the Azerbaijani side from declaring who committed the crime / by surname /, indicating the article of each, the measure of restraint, etc.
    What prevents the Russian side from declaring what investigative measures were carried out with the Azerbaijanis, what agreement on compensation, etc.
    The parties do not report anything about the course of the investigation, and in fact people died.
    Every time noodles are hung on the ears of readers in the style of blah, blah, blah, no specifics.
    We must respect our citizens.
    I have a vague suspicion that the helicopter was shot down by the Turks and they have long been outside the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan.