The USA made the work of "Nord Stream 2" impossible


2021 started with not the best News For Russia. The United States adopted a package of new sanctions against Nord Stream 2, which raise the question of the advisability of further construction of this long-suffering gas pipeline.


Nord Stream 2 and Turkish Stream were part of Gazprom's strategy to bypass Ukraine. Unfortunately, it has shown itself, on the whole, not very successful. Last year, the domestic monopolist was forced to sign a very unprofitable five-year transit contract with Kiev, and there is no doubt that no one in the West is going to release Russia from Nezalezhnaya regarding the supply of "blue fuel" to Europe.

Under pressure from the United States, the norms of the Third Energy Package were extended to the Nord Stream 2 under construction, as a result of which its capacity was halved from the design 55 billion cubic meters per year. A year ago, Washington imposed sanctions on pipeline contractors, and the Swiss company Allseas immediately quit its job. Gazprom had to drive out Akademik Chersky from the Far East and re-equip it, but so far it can do nothing to help in the completion. The Russian vessel, the only one suitable for laying pipes at great depths, does not have adequate insurance, without which it cannot operate in Danish waters. Representatives of the community of international insurance companies made it clear that they were not ready for the sake of Nord Stream 2 to fall under US sanctions and lose their business. Because of this, all the activity of the Gazprom flotilla so far is only in German waters.

But it is not enough to build a gas pipeline, it still needs to be certified according to European standards so that it can start working. And everything is very bad here. Some time ago, the Norwegian company DNV GL reported that due to the threat of falling under restrictive measures from Washington, it was partially withdrawing from the Russian project, refusing to certify equipment on pipe-laying ships. After the adoption of the new US defense budget, she "jumped" completely, stating the following:

DNV GL will cease all inspection activities of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline system in accordance with the sanctions and for as long as these sanctions remain in effect. We are implementing a plan to phase out our project validation support.

In other words, even if Gazprom somehow completes the construction of the pipeline, it will not be able to start working. US Senator Ted Cruz, famous for his anti-Russian rhetoric, called this "a definite signal from Washington for all international participants in the project." The result is not difficult to predict: not a single major foreign insurance or certification company will ever get involved with Nord Stream 2. What options remain?

The first scenario assumes the creation of "kamikazde companies" in Russia for the project: a state insurance company and a certain domestic company that will receive all the necessary licenses to carry out certification activities. They will be destined to fulfill their mission and "die a heroic death" under US sanctions. True, a natural question arises: will the EU officials agree to such a replacement if they are still under pressure from the United States? Senator Cruise spoke in no uncertain terms about the "signal."

In addition, according to Danish law, the pipeline must be certified by a "third party" - that is, an uninterested legal entity. In other words, companies from Germany and Russia may not receive permission to carry out certification work.

In the second scenario, one can try to find foreign companies that have the appropriate licenses and offer their owners a lot, a lot of money in compensation for the fact that they will actually lose their business by acting as contractors on the side of Gazprom.

The third scenario is the construction of Nord Stream 2 in Danish waters under the cover of the Baltic Fleet, sending “impolite people” to certifiers to issue all the necessary permits, and then forcing the EU to buy inexpensive Russian gas under threat of declaring nuclear war. Of course, all this is a joke on the basis of black humor.

The last thing that comes to mind is to take advantage of the new US sanctions as an excuse to declare force majeure by agreement with European partners and to freeze the project in its current form. Instead, try to minimize economic damage to the country by making a branch of the pipeline to Kaliningrad. Due to this, it is possible at least to make the Russian exclave in the Baltic Sea completely non-volatile, and in the future to build gas liquefaction plants there, from where LNG can be exported to both Europeans and Asians by tankers. For more details about this option, we told earlier.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 January 2021 11: 22
    -2
    Gazprom was milked again ...
    Well, he will win back on the population, raise prices ...
    1. anclevalico Offline anclevalico
      anclevalico (Victor) 4 January 2021 06: 14
      -2
      I think the New Year's bonuses from Gazprom's management are quite comparable to the annual budget.
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  2. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 3 January 2021 11: 53
    -2
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Gazprom was milked again ...
    Well, he will win back on the population, raise prices ...

    they are not in the first place ... as well as in other energy industries
  3. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 January 2021 12: 17
    +11
    The only way out is to refuse transit through Ukraine (after the expiration of the contract). At present, pump the lowest possible volume. Subsequently, the refusal to sign long-term contracts with European countries.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 3 January 2021 12: 27
      +2
      In the new 2021, three nuclear power plants (NPPs) will be decommissioned in Germany, which is why a possible refusal from the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will become suicide for the country, says Bundestag deputy Waldemar Gerdt.

      “Refusal from Nord Stream 2 is just suicide. The lack of energy is enormous. Nord Stream 2 will not cover Germany's energy needs. Can you imagine if we haven't launched it yet? This is complete absurdity, this is complete nonsense, ”the German parliamentarian said in an interview with the 360 ​​TV channel.

      https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4140091/
      1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
        Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 3 January 2021 12: 56
        -5
        Waldemar Gerdt. Place of Birth
        Zabelovka, Zhitikarinsky district, Kustanai region, Tselinny region, Kazakh SSR, USSR
        He wanted to say that the northern stream needs to be laid through the Kazakh SSR ...
    2. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
      Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 3 January 2021 12: 57
      -4
      And the Russians go to pasture ...
      1. Yuri Alexeev Offline Yuri Alexeev
        Yuri Alexeev (Yuri Alekseev) 10 January 2021 16: 13
        -1
        You crossed over long ago
    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 3 January 2021 15: 51
      -2
      https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5dd416ca9a79471be4b7ccd5
      Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to keep transit. And he usually keeps his promises to "Western" partners. In contrast to promises to Russian citizens for retirement age, for example.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 January 2021 17: 00
        +6
        He promised to keep transit in 2019. And he kept his promise. The transit was continued for five years. My opinion is that it was a mistake. But I don't argue with presidents.
        I say that the transit cannot be prolonged under any circumstances. By that time, long-term gas contracts will expire or will be close to completion, and according to the European "new" rules, pricing should be on the spot markets of the German, English and Dutch hubs. Let Europe buy at market prices without guaranteed supplies. Most likely, prices will continue to rise. Already now about 200 dollars per thousand cubic meters. And this is without shipping costs.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 3 January 2021 18: 21
          -4
          Transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine should continue after 2019, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said during a briefing in Kiev, Interfax-Ukraine reports. According to him, Vladimir Putin personally gave certain guarantees for the transit of gas through Ukraine to the FRG leadership.

          https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5dd416ca9a79471be4b7ccd5

          Despite the construction of new infrastructure facilities such as Nord Stream, Nord Stream 2, and Turkish Stream, we will maintain transit through Ukraine. The question is in the volume of this transit and the time frame for which a contract can be concluded

          This is a convenient route. By the way, the Ukrainian route to Europe is longer than the route through the Baltic Sea. It is longer and more expensive for us, but nevertheless it is a good, well-tried route to Central and Southern Europe. We are ready to save it

          https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7379801
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 January 2021 18: 28
            +1
            Well, that's what it says. From 2019 to 2024. This was the wrong decision. What made sanctions against SP-2 possible
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 January 2021 01: 05
              -5
              Quote: Bakht
              Well, that's what it says. From 2019 to 2024.

              It is not very clear where you got the idea that until 2024.

              Quote: Bakht
              This was the wrong decision. What made sanctions against SP-2 possible

              As far as I understand, this is a condition of the German side, which made SP-2 possible in general. And therefore I doubt that the transit will stop at 24.
              But you are not upset, the goals of the northern and Turkish streams are quite likely, the forces of Siberia have already been achieved.
              https://www.rbc.ru/business/21/05/2018/5afc50979a79471ce133d69a
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 11: 40
                +3
                You write something incomprehensible. Where did I get it from? A transit agreement with Ukraine was signed for the period from 2019 to 2024.
                SP-2 began to be built long before 2019. Germany wanted Russia to extend transit through Ukraine. But there was no link with SP-2. SP-2 was already under construction by that time.
                Again you give links that the most important thing in Russia is cutting the dough. Completely wrong statement. The dough is being cut in all countries. All streams are needed for the COUNTRY, not just for certain individuals.
                I'm not upset at all. European consumers will be upset when long-term contracts for the supply of Russian gas with GUARANTEED volumes end. And with a projected price. And the speculative game will begin on the stock exchanges. The first candidates for this alignment are Ukraine and Poland. Then Bulgaria.
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 January 2021 01: 42
                  -2
                  Quote: Bakht
                  A transit agreement with Ukraine was signed for the period from 2019 to 2024.

                  AND? There was a transit agreement before that, where did you get the idea that this was the last one? SP2 was planned to be introduced in 20. At the same time, according to the new contract for 21-24, it is planned to pump 40 billion cubic meters annually.
                  At the same time, an agreement for the transit of oil through Ukraine until 30 has already been concluded.
                  https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2019/12/03/12846482.shtml

                  Quote: Bakht
                  But there was no link with SP-2. SP-2 was already under construction by that time.

                  You do not know when these agreements were reached. It is not clear from the words of Heiko Maas that the transit will end in 2024.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  The dough is being cut in all countries.

                  Probably, but as in any business, there are leaders, there are outsiders. RF is clearly in the lead.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  All streams are needed for the COUNTRY, not just for certain individuals.

                  Strongly controversial statement.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  I'm not upset at all. European consumers will be upset when long-term contracts for the supply of Russian gas with GUARANTEED volumes end.

                  It seems to me that you overestimate Europe's dependence on Russian gas. It is definitely no more than the dependence of the RF budget on revenues from gas supplies to Europe.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2021 02: 14
                    +3
                    As always, you have mixed everything together. As for cutting the dough, I think that the States are still the leaders. It is easier for them to do it.
                    The gas transit agreement was concluded until 2024 and I hope it will be the last one.
                    What is the transit of oil, only you know. We talked about gas transit and SP-2. I hope you will not argue that oil can be driven through a gas pipeline.
                    Europe's dependence on Russian gas is several times higher than the dependence of the Russian budget on exports to Europe. As always, you put the cut paper at the forefront. And I put the real product first.
                    We, as always, look at things from diametrically opposite positions. There's nothing you can do about it. We had different schools.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 6 January 2021 00: 13
                      -2
                      Quote: Bakht
                      As for cutting the dough, I think that the States are still the leaders. It is easier for them to do it.

                      Do you just believe in this, or are there any facts confirming your beliefs?

                      Quote: Bakht
                      The gas transit agreement was concluded until 2024 and I hope it will be the last one.

                      So you just believe that the contract will not be extended, without any justification?

                      Quote: Bakht
                      What is the transit of oil, only you know. We talked about gas transit and SP-2.

                      I thought you would be glad that the Russian Federation could come to an agreement with Ukraine.

                      Quote: Bakht
                      Europe's dependence on Russian gas is several times higher than the dependence of the Russian budget on exports to Europe. As always, you put the cut paper at the forefront. And I put the real product first.

                      Something I do not quite understand this advantage, the Russian Federation gives the real goods (natural resources, the future of our descendants), and in return receives, in your words, cut paper. I hope you do not think that the Russian Federation forms its reserves from vacuum cleaners and irons?
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 January 2021 11: 53
                        +2
                        1. Gas pipeline in the USA. Built Will not be used. The military budget of the Pentagon, where all prices are inflated. My personal experience, a mouse for a computer was delivered to us for 200 bucks apiece. Or a metal pipe 7 m long and 10 cm in diameter for $ 7.
                        2. Are there any facts confirming that the contract will be extended after 2024? Or do you just believe it?
                        3. I am not happy about it. And I believe that contracts should not be extended.
                        4. It is also bad that Russia is selling real goods. And in return he receives cut paper, which is also stored in the West. I have said for a long time that the price of oil and gas is shamelessly understated. And trade relations with the West should be kept to a minimum.
                      2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 January 2021 01: 03
                        -1
                        Quote: Bakht
                        1. Gas pipeline in the USA. Built Will not be used.

                        Was the American state corporation building a gas pipeline at the expense of dividends that were to be transferred to the budget?

                        Quote: Bakht
                        The military budget of the Pentagon, where all prices are inflated.

                        Again, is this your belief based on something?

                        Quote: Bakht
                        My personal experience when a mouse for a computer was delivered to us at a price of 200 bucks apiece. Or a metal pipe 7 m long and 10 cm in diameter for $ 7.

                        Do you work for the American government? Suddenly.
                        I have never run into American officials, I have run into Russian officials. 50% rollback is normal, 30% is generally godly, and I met 70%.
                        The only (not indisputable) indicator that claims to be objective is the corruption perception index, USA 71 points 22nd, RF 29 points 136th place.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        2. Are there any facts confirming that the contract will be extended after 2024? Or do you just believe it?

                        Yes, I gave them above. A statement by Vladimir Vladimirovich, head of the German Foreign Ministry, about the existing transit agreement, according to which, even after the launch of SP2, the pumping of 40 billion cubic meters is provided.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        3. I am not happy about it. And I believe that contracts should not be extended.

                        And I am glad that this is a very small step towards the normalization of relations with Ukraine.
                        And in general, this is beneficial to Russia, which means it is beneficial to me as a citizen of the Russian Federation.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        4. It is also bad that Russia is selling real goods. And in return he receives cut paper, which is also stored in the West.

                        It looks like the Russian authorities disagree with you.
                        You completely confused me, then

                        Quote: Bakht
                        All streams are needed for the COUNTRY

                        that

                        Quote: Bakht
                        It is also bad that Russia is selling real goods.

                        You really decide.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        I have said for a long time that the price of oil and gas is shamelessly understated.

                        Come back in 20-30 years, then the price will please you.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        And trade relations with the West should be kept to a minimum.

                        Oooh ... authoring. You know that everyone who tried to implement such a system ended up badly? What makes you think that it will end well for the Russian Federation?
                      3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 January 2021 09: 25
                        +2
                        I worked for international companies and saw how contracts like PSA are executed. No wonder they were banned in Russia. The prices are sky-high. If this is not corruption, then it is robbery.
                        As for the contracts, you cited opinions for 2019. After 2014, there is no evidence. I'm not for authoring. In real conditions, it is impossible. I am for a minimum of trade with unscrupulous partners. And gas pipelines are needed so as not to feed their enemies. I mean specifically Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics. Improving relations with enemies is not a joy.
                        I still regard them as enemies of Russia. Again, do not confuse people living in these countries and countries as political entities.
                      4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 January 2021 00: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: Bakht
                        I worked for international companies and saw how contracts like PSA are executed. No wonder they were banned in Russia. The prices are sky-high. If this is not corruption, then it is robbery.

                        Robbery of a private company by its employees? Perhaps, but I doubt that the company's management will turn a blind eye to this. And compare with the theft at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        As for the contracts, you cited opinions for 2019. After 2014, there is no evidence.

                        After 2019, there was no, but since then there has been no talk of stopping transit either. Accordingly, the statement of 2019 is now relevant. Wait and see.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        I'm not for authoring. In real conditions, it is impossible. I am for a minimum of trade with unscrupulous partners.

                        Europe and the United States are the main markets in the world, everyone dreams of trading in these markets. Judging by the fact that the Russian Federation has the main trade partner of the EU, the Russian authorities are satisfied with everything. And most importantly, there is nothing to replace the EU market with. To voluntarily leave the market is crazy. In addition, the EU and the US are the main suppliers of modern technologies, and if China can replace them, it will not be soon. Termination of trade with the EU is practically the author's.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        And gas pipelines are needed so as not to feed your enemies

                        To get cut paper from unscrupulous partners without any problems? Germany is not an enemy? Don't you think your position is inconsistent?

                        Quote: Bakht
                        I mean specifically Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics. Improving relations with enemies is not a joy.

                        As the popular Russian proverb says "a bad world is better than a good quarrel." It seemed to me that for all people, improving relations is good news, it turns out not.
                        How is it with the classics, being determines consciousness? But let's wash the opposite, too, consciousness determines being. If there are enemies in your mind, then after some time they will appear in reality. The Russian Federation did more than anyone else to make Ukraine an enemy. Poland and the Baltics are not yet enemies.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        I still regard them as enemies of Russia. Again, do not confuse people living in these countries and countries as political entities.

                        Political entities do not have the will and reason to be enemies.
      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 January 2021 06: 47
        -2
        Quote: Bakht
        Well, that's what it says. From 2019 to 2024. This was the wrong decision. What made sanctions against SP-2 possible

        If we talk about the true reasons for the failure, then they were non-interference in the Ukrainian events in 2014. And everything else is a consequence and retribution.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 January 2021 11: 30
          -5
          And it seems to me that it is precisely the intervention in the Ukrainian events in 2014 that is the reason for the failure. To make an enemy out of a country with a Russian-speaking population and such economic ties is simply a tremendous failure of foreign policy. Without this, they would have pumped gas through Ukraine, and not spent tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure projects, the recoupment of which is in question.
  • Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 3 January 2021 12: 53
    +8
    If Germany needs gas, it will buy it anyway. If not, that's okay, they'll turn to Kaliningrad. They'll think of something there. The more Europe is "stubborn", the faster Russia will reorient itself to Southeast Asia. There are such giants as China, India, Yu. Korea, Pakistan .... And the cost of gas on the market is higher than in Europe.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 January 2021 13: 54
      +2
      There is no point in turning to Kaliningrad. It is easier to put a project on long-term construction. The mistake is not Nord Stream 2 itself. The mistake was the conclusion of a transit agreement with Ukraine. so now you just need to pump the minimum agreed amount of gas through Ukraine. And in no case should the transit agreement be extended.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 4 January 2021 00: 34
        +3
        It was not so much a mistake as a political decision.
        Judging by the latest interviews with the former head of Zelensky's office, Bogdan, under this agreement Zelensky in Paris promised Putin a lot about Donbass and the Minsk agreements. And Zelensky threw Putin. Not so much he didn’t want to fulfill his promise, but he couldn’t.
        But that doesn't make it any easier. Therefore, Putin has Zelensky persona non grata. No communication, no congratulations. They are preparing to replace Medvedchuk.
        1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 11: 42
          +4
          Yes, the Russian Federation does not need any Medvedchuk, we will get the second Yanukovych and Ukraine as a parasite on our neck. Russia does not need Ukrainian statehood at all, and the sooner the Kremlin realizes this, the better for the Russian Federation.
      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 January 2021 06: 54
        -4
        Quote: Bakht
        There is no point in turning to Kaliningrad. It is easier to put a project on long-term construction. The mistake is not Nord Stream 2 itself. The mistake was the conclusion of a transit agreement with Ukraine.

        Well, that is how Gazprom had obligations to the Europeans on deliveries that they could not fulfill without Ukraine. (the question is, who signed such agreements on our part, and why his hands were not torn off yet). They tried to build bypasses, but they were not allowed, they bent down and forced Naftogaz to sign a bondage. Gazprom could not refuse to sign, as it would have been charged with fines for non-fulfillment of contractual obligations.
        What's the conclusion? Maintaining control over the Ukrainian gas transportation system as a key link in the logistics chain was a matter for Russia's national security, but at the same time it was handed over to the Americans with all the guts. The failure of the SP-2 is a natural result of the negligence of decision-makers.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 11: 30
          +7
          GazProm could perfectly fulfill its obligations to European consumers even without a transit agreement. We discussed this a year ago. As a result of the transit agreement, Russia was unable to complete the construction of the SP-2 (fell into the hands of money), supports the hostile regime in Ukraine (fell into the hands of money and suffered image losses).
          There is no war without losses. Whoever thinks that he can fight (even economically) with the West and not bear the costs is deeply mistaken.
          The failure of SP-2 is the result of ill-considered decisions a year ago. And, of course, this is not a failure of Gazprom, but a failure of the country's political leadership. GazProm is a simple performer.
        2. Alexey Kurilov_2 (alexey kurilov) 5 January 2021 21: 46
          0
          It would be more useful to pay fines than billions to Yanukovych, but stop the gas through Ukraine. It would be hard for Europe to migrate.
      3. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 11: 38
        +2
        It makes sense to turn to Kaliningrad SP-2 and it is necessary to turn. This will solve the problems of power supply of Kaliningrad itself, at least, and at the most, turn it into a gas hub
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 11: 47
          +3
          What kind of hub? Who will buy gas from the Kaliningrad region? And what are the needs of the region itself for gas? The capacity of SP-2 is 55 billion cubic meters per year. Will Kaliningrad handle this volume? There is an LNG terminal in Kaliningrad (Marshal Vasilevsky). An LNG plant is under construction in Ust-Luga. Why do you need another one in Kaliningrad?
          1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 11: 59
            +3
            And who will buy gas from Ukraine if it is not there, and the Russian Federation will not renew the contract with Banderostan ?! LNG from the United States is significantly more expensive than Russian gas and its use will lead to an increase in the cost price, which means the loss of attractiveness of European goods and a decrease in their competitiveness. The EU now has little choice, either to swear with the US in favor of the SP-2, or to merge and lie under the US, but then it will have to forget about all the ambitions associated with the Euro.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 12: 52
              +3
              This is all true. So SP-2 is a European problem. For Russia, long-term construction is a loss of money. But for the EU, this is a loss of industry and unemployment.
              But we are discussing a turn to Kaliningrad. For some reason, this direction was not initially considered. Although it would seem that it is easier - build immediately to the Russian region and no problems. But we don't know the infrastructure. Does Kaliningrad have the ability to process this amount of gas? Are there gas pipelines from Kaliningrad (via Poland) to Europe? Transit again? Does it make sense then to build an LNG plant in Ust-Luga?
              Most likely the turn to Kaliningrad is not economically justified. And for the future, if the SP-2 is nevertheless completed (and this is in the interests of Europe), then gas supplies to Europe will go directly without any transit. So I do not consider the turn to Kaliningrad to be the optimal solution.
              1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 12: 55
                0
                A turn to Kaliningrad is still needed, or an offshoot to Kaliningrad, if you like, because the energy independence of Kaliningrad from the vagaries of Ukraine and the Baltic states is important.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 09
                  +3
                  The energy independence of Kaliningrad has ALREADY been ensured. Anything else is redundant.
                  1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 11
                    0
                    Well, it's up to us in the Russian Federation to decide whether it's superfluous or not.
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 16
                      +3
                      I'm not against. Decide. But when you write, then besides emotions, it would be nice to give some kind of justification. Otherwise, it's just PPP (sat-chat-parted)
                      1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 25
                        0
                        If Moscow sees a justification, this is enough to do something.
                      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 28
                        +3
                        Show strong reference that this option is being considered.
                      3. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 13: 38
                        +1
                        In my heart I don’t know which link you will find serious, so I’m not going to bother. The Internet is at your disposal, read, everything is there.
                      4. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 13: 46
                        +2
                        The standard answer when a person has no idea about the subject of the conversation.
                      5. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 14: 26
                        +1
                        Yes, I have that. But I don’t have to and don’t want to search for some articles for you on the Internet, and even those that you consider serious enough for yourself personally.
                      6. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 14: 46
                        +2
                        Explain the meaning of the withdrawal to Kaliningrad. Poland abandons the transit agreement with Russia in a year. How are you going to drive gas from Kaliningrad to Europe?
                        Globe, it is also a globe in Africa.
                      7. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 15: 15
                        0
                        It is precisely because of the refusal of countries such as Poland to provide the Russian Federation with transit to the Russian Federation that a gas pipe is needed to Kaliningrad. Deliveries by gas carriers are expensive and troublesome.
                      8. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 15: 17
                        0
                        The question remained unanswered.
                        To make a branch to Kaliningrad with excess gas supply to this region, and then what to do with 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year? Should there be no transit to create a hub? Where will you send this gas? I recommend taking another look at the globe

                        Poland tore up contract for gas transit with Russia
                        https://lenta.ru/news/2020/05/15/poland/
                      9. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 15: 21
                        +1
                        Even if today gas from Kaliningrad does not go anywhere, in Kaliningrad it is needed for stable supplies to Kaliningrad itself, independent of the whims of countries such as Poland, which either refuse to transit the Russian Federation or charge extortionate prices for it. Drop shipping is always better, more stable and cheaper. The RF can regulate the amount of gas supplied, so there will be no surplus. Today gas will remain in Kaliningrad, but what will happen tomorrow, wait and see. Today, the US cannot offer its gas to the EU at prices lower than those of the Russian Federation, and this is the main trump card of the Russian Federation.
                      10. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 January 2021 15: 39
                        +2
                        You don't follow the situation.
                        In short, the situation looks like this. Russia has an agreement on gas transit to Kaliningrad with Lithuania and all sorts of other Balts. The "download or pay" principle was left for Russia. Thus, Russia, regardless of the amount of pumping, is forced to pay for transit.
                        But not wishing to become dependent on Lithuania, Russia last year spent a lot of money and created a special terminal for the gas-refining vessel Marshal Vasilevsky. Now it stands on the roadstead of Kaliningrad (a special berth, breakwater, etc.) as a RESERVE source of gas supply. According to experts, the presence of Vasilevsky in Kaliningrad is excess gas. And at a price much higher than the pipeline. But Russia went for it out of political, not economic considerations. "Marshal Vasilevsky" occasionally works so as not to be idle. but at the moment it's just in case of force majeure. Simply because Kaliningrad is a strategic site for Russia.
                        Now about our daily life. It is proposed to make a turn of the SP-2 towards Kaliningrad. This is 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year. There are no storage facilities, no infrastructure. And the most important thing is a dead end. Gas will not go anywhere from Kaliningrad, because there is no contract for transit through Poland. Guess at once what price the Poles will charge for transit.
                        You propose to lay the pipe to a dead end and not a single plus. Give at least an approximate justification for why it is necessary to turn the SP-2 pipe to Kaliningrad?
                      11. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 15: 43
                        +1
                        1) By no means, I am following the situation and I know that the Russian Federation has very bad relations with the Baltic states and these countries can close the transit to Kaliningrad for the Russian Federation at any time, for example, to please the USA, or their own home-grown fascists.
                        2) Deliveries by sea, as I already wrote to you, are expensive.
                        3) So the best solution for the Russian Federation is a gas pipeline to Kaliningrad, independent of the vagaries of nature and foreigners
  • Jozhik_2 Offline Jozhik_2
    Jozhik_2 (Jozhik) 3 January 2021 13: 02
    +4
    It was necessary once and for all to stop transit through the "Square", and not to chew snot with "European partners." And Miller and his brothers are dispossessed in favor of the state budget.
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 3 January 2021 17: 19
    +2
    It is necessary to help Europe in solving this issue: to find a reason and break the transit agreement with Ukraine and completely. It would be possible to find an excuse or arrange so that it would not have been necessary to look for it, but despite the fact that the Kremlin is ready to endure any losses for the sake of the brothers building a fascist state.
  • aries2200 Offline aries2200
    aries2200 (aries) 3 January 2021 19: 46
    +1
    It remains to hope .. for the harsh winters in Europe and sultry summers ... there are stoves there, air conditioners ..... require energy. Well, storms in the Atlantic, or just somehow so that gas carriers sink in the Atlantic ... the Bermuda triangle has shifted to Europe ..........
  • Styll Offline Styll
    Styll (stn) 3 January 2021 20: 44
    -1
    They will settle the problem. They "cough up" and shake it down ...
  • bobba94 Offline bobba94
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 3 January 2021 22: 15
    +2
    No need to fuss and make a fuss? Gas pumping to the EU through the territory of Ukraine will be carried out for another 4 years. The pipe has basically been laid, let it lie for four years, it will not go anywhere. Nord Stream 2 costs about $ 11 billion, and in four years it will cost the same, if not more. But, for example, Xuawei has already suffered real losses of $ 10 billion due to US sanctions. What can you do. War is like war.
  • Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
    Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 3 January 2021 22: 38
    -3
    Meanwhile, Germany is building terminals for receiving liquefied gas from the United States. And here is some kind of Nord Stream-2. They threw it as usual. The contract with Ukraine was extended, now you don't have to tell tales about the flow. Open the valve let them all the fish die ..... joke
    1. Dear sofa expert. 5 January 2021 11: 21
      +3
      Meanwhile, Germany is building terminals for receiving liquefied gas from the United States.

      Well, let's say they are not building, but for now they are only planning to build it. (We haven't even decided on the location yet).
      But this will not solve the problem of the energy needs of the Germans.
      1. Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
        Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 6 January 2021 19: 34
        0
        So far, the construction of hubs has been suspended. It is not clear who defeated Trump or Biden. But the fact that North. stream 2 will not be allowed there is 100%
        1. Dear sofa expert. 7 January 2021 01: 06
          +2
          So far, the construction of hubs has been suspended.

          You can't stop what you haven't started.

          But the fact that North. stream 2 will not be allowed there is 100%

          It will be 300% there.)
          Just a little later than planned.
          1. Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
            Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 7 January 2021 09: 27
            0
            The outlook for North Stream 2 is dubious. With the decision to freeze the project, Frau solves several problems. This: to weaken the party of friends of Russia (and so that others will not be familiar). 2. Germany plans to switch to hydrogen fuel for which it is planned to build four LNG terminals by 2023 - in Brunsbüttel, Stade, Wilhelmshaven and Rostock, which will be used for it in the future. In case of completion of the Northern Stream, it is not a fact that Russia will be the beneficiary.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 7 January 2021 12: 27
              +2
              The outlook for North Stream 2 is dubious.

              It has no alternative for the Germans so far.

              Germany plans to switch to hydrogen fuel for which it is planned to build four LNG terminals by 2023 - in Brunsbüttel, Stade, Wilhelmshaven and Rostock ...

              Sure? Please give me a source of information. Better in the original.
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  • eco3 Offline eco3
    eco3 (erwin vercauteren) 4 January 2021 04: 59
    +1
    There are more audit and expert institutions in the world than Norwegians or any other nation, this is clearly a NATO trick, you would expect this from these Norwegians, they are the US 53 stars on their flag, there are offices that can apply for expertise from Singapore or China, the pipeline will work and the US will be humiliated again, there is no way the EU will accept the loss of this conflict, and Germany and Russia will find a way to resolve it, because no one will ever agree to buy a dirty hydraulic fracturing, liquefied by the road and destroying Am = erican nature of the molecule of freedom, believe me, it will make up your mind and nobody will buy American shit.
    1. nov_tech.vrn Offline nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 4 January 2021 21: 27
      +2
      According to EU legislation, a Russian operator can also certify a pipeline, so Norwegian anusriming, of course, will be credited to them, but no more. And gas has already flowed to Europe from the Turkish Stream. Sanctions are not a new thing, but a branch to Kaliningrad, if necessary, you can always do it. The ink has not dried yet, about the Turkish stream, that Putin and Gazprom have fucked everything up. I think there is someone to actually rinse the mouth of this substance. Let's wait also about Europe.
  • Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 4 January 2021 11: 30
    +4
    The EU now has a limited choice. Either quarrel with the United States and finish building the SP-2, which will make it possible to further develop the economy, or lie under the United States, abandon the SP-2 in favor of American liquefied gas, the price of which is much more expensive than gas from the Russian Federation. The transition to more expensive LNG from the United States will increase the cost of goods produced in the EU, and this will lead to their rise in price and reduce the competitiveness of European goods, which will hit the EU economy very hard and turn it into a sales market for American goods. Due to the loss of competitiveness of European goods, there will be job cuts at European enterprises and an increase in unemployment. In general, all ambitions associated with the Euro can be buried.
  • dreepone Offline dreepone
    dreepone (dreepone dow) 4 January 2021 13: 53
    -4
    How many trillions of rubles did Putin and his team of MOSSAD and CIA officials go to waste ONLY on the construction of unclaimed (unprofitable or buried) pipelines and other mega-projects on which Putin wasted and squandered budgets, including pension savings of Russian citizens, and which could be useful now in crisis to support the population and business, the eternally impoverished starving regions and the restoration of the devastation that has formed throughout the country, by the way, through the efforts of including Putin's ..

    And in general, it seems that pension funds have been covered with a copper basin for several years now, because there are such fidgeting and turbulence with cuts in pensions, an increase in the retirement age, an increase in taxes, fines and other extortions.

    With regards to Russia, another moment:

    - the budget is empty.

    - oil kirdyk

    -gas too (Qatar, Saudi and Turkey also dealt a powerful blow, this is in addition to the northern and southern streams, which have long died)

    around a ring of flaming and smoldering conflicts.

    so the illegal "self-isolation" of the pseudo-authorities will not be canceled. everyone will continue to be kept on leashes and muzzles. so that they do not rock the boat and do not try to overthrow the usurpers-adversaries who have plundered everything they can.

    the collapse of the economy has already occurred, but they diligently disguised it, wrapping it in such a hypocritical wrapper as: the reduction of businesses, the maintenance of social institutions, schools, kindergartens and universities, etc. This is such a soft collapse of the entire pyramid of the state vertical as a whole, disguised as a "coronavirus epidemic" and the sanctions crisis, under which Russia was deliberately brought from within, all the same CIA and MOSSAD agents who penetrated into power, including the presidency.
    1. nov_tech.vrn Offline nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 4 January 2021 21: 32
      0
      Have you forgotten yet, the gas transportation system is a pile of scrap metal in Khokhlostan.
  • Dmitry KK Offline Dmitry KK
    Dmitry KK (Dmitriy) 5 January 2021 20: 36
    -1
    Do not be afraid, Gentlemen, they will finish building and launch.
  • Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
    Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 6 January 2021 20: 00
    -1
    You don’t understand that they would rather be in th @ not swim than be friends with the Russians.
  • Valery Valeriev Offline Valery Valeriev
    Valery Valeriev (Valery Valeriev) 7 January 2021 10: 16
    -1
    Someone so wants Russia to incur losses, they can no longer eat directly. Empty chores, stupid liberal people, the stream will be completed, handed over. Why? I was not hired to educate the Internet riffraff, learn math. part by yourself.
  • SCHAMAN Offline SCHAMAN
    SCHAMAN (Boris Batudaev) 7 January 2021 13: 29
    0
    Russia is predicted a good future, but the opposite is true.
    1. Yuri Alexeev Offline Yuri Alexeev
      Yuri Alexeev (Yuri Alekseev) 10 January 2021 16: 16
      -1
      Look around you, and then speak out about Russia!
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  • sergaivenski Offline sergaivenski
    sergaivenski (Sergei) 10 January 2021 05: 53
    -1
    From the very beginning it was clear: SP-2 was a pure gamble. And the citizens of Russia will be responsible for this adventure. More precisely, the thin wallets of Russian citizens.
    1. Yuri Alexeev Offline Yuri Alexeev
      Yuri Alexeev (Yuri Alekseev) 10 January 2021 16: 15
      -1
      Like you have thick wallets.
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