What Russia was able to achieve in 2020


After the collapse of the USSR, the young Russian Federation, like other former Soviet republics, began to be actively drawn into the so-called "Western world". Since transnational corporations (TNCs) do not need competitors, the industry that we inherited was to be liquidated under the most plausible pretexts.


Why do we need our machines or computers, which the Russians still don't really have to make them? We need to focus on the production and export of hydrocarbons, and high Technology leave to those who understand this better. Then we will buy everything that is needed abroad for petrodollars. Terribly “ineffective” state enterprises should be transferred to private hands for symbolic money, and it is here that they will truly reveal their potential. Free market, fair competition, capitalism, happiness! ..

In practice, these false myths turned into predatory privatizations that spawned a narrow layer of oligarchs. Thousands and thousands of factories simply ceased to exist as unnecessary. How can a domestic industrial enterprise that, for example, have no opportunity to take an affordable loan to modernize its equipment, can compete with the products of TNK, which has free access to the Russian domestic market, with its lobbyists in high government offices? It turned out that the free market and capitalism are happiness only for monstrous Western corporations, which themselves dictate the rules of the game, and Russia is destined to play the role of a peripheral raw materials semi-colony.

In all its glory, the validity of this statement was manifested in the period from 2014 to 2020, when the United States and its allies began to impose sectoral sanctions against our country. Suddenly it became clear that Russia is critically dependent on its geopolitical adversaries, the NATO bloc. This is also the supply of imported components for the civil sector. economics and the defense industry, and the right to use foreign technologies, and even in the matter of selling our key export product, oil and gas, we are totally dependent on "Western partners". For many years we have been building pipelines for them at our own expense and begging the Europeans to buy our gas.

You can't live like this. Large-scale industrialization and diversification of the Russian economy, real import substitution are needed. And certain steps in this direction have already been taken. Ill-wishers try to portray Russia as a wild and backward country, but, fortunately, this is far from the case. Despite the activities of systemic liberals in power, we still have a lot of groundwork in the field of high technologies. Let us recall the main achievements of the country in the outgoing year 2020.

Energetics


Thirteen years later, the first Russian floating nuclear power plant “Akademik Lomonosov” was completed, which headed to the place of its future work in Chukotka. The power plant, equipped with two reactors, has a capacity of 13 MW. Its capacity to provide heat and electricity is sufficient for a city with a population of 70 thousand people. There is even a gym, swimming pool and library for a crew of 100 on board. Rostatom announced plans to build 70 such floating nuclear power plants. They can be in demand not only in hard-to-reach regions of Russia with an underdeveloped infrastructure, but also become an export product of the state corporation to the countries of Africa and Asia.

There is no doubt that our country is still among the world leaders in the field of peaceful nuclear energy. This year, the BelNPP, built with the help of Russian specialists, went into operation. It launched a VVER-1200, a new generation safe reactor. The Akkuyu nuclear power plant is currently under construction on the southern coast of Turkey, where four such reactors will operate. Let's face it, a country with such energy technologies cannot be called wild and backward without blushing. In addition, Russia goes head to head with the United States of America in the development of safe thermonuclear reactors, about which we are in detail told earlier. A super-powerful UVL-2M laser was put into operation in Sarov, which is used in the study of technologies for controlled thermonuclear fusion. Specialists of the Kurchatov Institute were able to register solar neutrino particles formed inside the sun during the thermonuclear CNO cycle.

Space


First of all, it should be noted that Roscosmos has set a certain record: 2 years without serious accidents, which may indicate the establishment of order and stabilization of work within the state corporation. The second successful launch of the Angara-A5 heavy carrier rocket can also be considered a real achievement. told... This opens up new opportunities for civil and military space. The Russian space observatory "Spektr-RG" in 2020 made the first X-ray image of the surrounding space.

It should be added to this that problems on the Russian segment of the ISS have become more frequent, therefore, it is already quite serious started talking on the need to build their own national orbital station. The development of modules for "orbitals" was discontinued 5 years ago, but it is not too late to revive all these industries. A potential project of a domestic space station has already been presented. It will be difficult and expensive to build and launch it on our own, but we can handle it. The heavy "Angara-A5" arrived just in time, it can also open the way for Russia to the lunar and Martian programs. Our country also has developments in the field of a nuclear space tug with a carrying capacity of 10 tons, which the United States did not like so much that they imposed sanctions against the corresponding enterprises of Roscosmos.

Aviation


The domestic civil aircraft industry can be considered the most affected by the "reformers". The liberals dragged the unprepared country into the WTO, where they immediately adopted new environmental standards for aircraft engines, which the Russian power plants did not comply with. And it’s a no brainer that this was done in the interests of the American Boeing and the European Airbus, which eventually divided our sky among themselves. Capitalism, happiness, right?

The "revival" of the national aircraft industry in Russia was led in an extremely controversial way, having closed the finished project of the short-haul Tu-334 in favor of the "Superjet-100". In fact, the latter turned out to be a banal designer of imported components, which raises the question of its prospects today, when the United States imposed sanctions on the supply of components for the aircraft. Fortunately, our country is still not "snow-covered Africa", as ill-wishers are trying to portray it. There were developments on the still Soviet short-haul Il-114, which they were able to quickly modernize and revive already with modern engines of our own design.

In the segment of medium-haul liners this year it turned out lift into the sky MS-21. The plane is really good and can be a real competitor to Boeing and Airbus, because the US imposed sanctions against this project. But the "wild and backward" country somehow managed to independently develop the PD-14 engine, which now flaunts under the wings of the liner. Also, work has been accelerated on the creation of a super-powerful PD-35 power plant, which will be installed on wide-body aircraft from 2027.

Shipbuilding


The ultra-modern Zvezda shipyard built in Primorye has launched the first Russian-built Aframax-class supertanker named Vladimir Monomakh. A total of 12 vessels are planned for the series, and the extraordinary speed of construction (a little over 2 years for the entire cycle) cannot but surprise. Shipbuilding gives orders to metallurgists, oil workers, chemists, equipment manufacturers. At the same place, at Zvezda, 5 Arc7 gas tankers are currently being built for the Russian project Arctic-LNG-2; an absolutely unparalleled in the world super-icebreaker of the Leader class has been laid down, winter period. Over the next decade, it is planned to launch 3 vessels of this class. There is no doubt that thanks to such a shipyard, Russia has sharply increased its quotations in the world shipbuilding.

Medicine


Despite a lot of problems, identified in the domestic health care due to the extreme conditions of the coronavirus pandemic, Russian medicine was among the first to find answers to its challenges. This is evidenced by the rapid development of the Sputnik V vaccine against COVID-19. Also, in parallel, other Russian research centers are developing their drugs. Violent attacks on the domestic vaccine indicate that Western pharmaceutical TNCs see it as a real threat to their products, from which people faint on the air.

Russia still maintains a leading position in the most technologically complex and knowledge-intensive spheres. Of course, our country still has a lot of serious problems, but they all belong to the category of resolvable ones. As they say, there would be a desire.
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  1. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 31 December 2020 11: 50
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    Our country also has developments in the field of a nuclear space tug with a carrying capacity of 10 tons, which the United States did not like so much that they imposed sanctions against the corresponding enterprises of Roscosmos.

    A space tug with a carrying capacity of 10 tons and a speed of 200 days to the Moon is a very controversial decision from the point of view of the efficiency of space flights. To say that in this form someone "does not like" it is too rash.

    The liberals dragged an unprepared country into the WTO, where they immediately adopted new environmental standards for aircraft engines, which Russian power plants did not comply with. And it's a no brainer that this was done in the interests of the American Boeing and the European Airbus, which ultimately divided our sky among themselves. Capitalism, happiness, right?

    Environmental standards are not introduced to "annoy" Russia - they are introduced, oddly enough, to maintain the environment. And not only in aviation. And it's not just Russia that "suffered" from these environmental standards - in particular, the American auto industry has been suffering from them since the 70s.

    Violent attacks on the domestic vaccine indicate that Western pharmaceutical TNCs see it as a real threat to their products, from which people faint on the air.

    Sergey, your profile by Neukropny or Kharaluzhny was definitely not hacked / ransomed / taken away? And somehow, in a suspiciously style, this article resembles their opuses.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 December 2020 11: 56
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      Quote: Cyril
      Violent attacks on the domestic vaccine indicate that Western pharmaceutical TNCs see it as a real threat to their products, from which people faint on the air.

      Sergey, your profile by Neukropny or Kharaluzhny was definitely not hacked / ransomed / taken away? And somehow, in a suspiciously style, this article resembles their opuses.



      I am like an akyn, what I see is what I write about.
      1. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 31 December 2020 12: 06
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        It is a secret for you that vaccines have some people can cause side effects such as fever, weakness and other symptoms of discomfort? Well, read about the Sputnik 5 side effects:

        Vaccination against COVID-19 is being carried out throughout Russia. 85% of the vaccinated do not feel discomfort, and the rest 15% have minor deviations.

        As for the most unpleasant side effect after vaccination, such people have a fever. Also, a small part of them recorded redness at the injection site, someone noted nsmall headache, which goes away during the day, there were those who experienced some discomfort in the muscles.

        Yet fever remains the most serious side effect in the population group vaccinated against the coronavirus. An increase in temperature was noted up to 38 degrees.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 31 December 2020 18: 36
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          Side effects from the American vaccine.
          1. Cyril Online Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 1 January 2021 05: 25
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            In the video, she says that the phenomena she described began 3 days after vaccination. This does not in any way confirm that these are side effects from the vaccine. "After" does not mean "due".

            “After” does not mean “due to”
            “After that, it means because of this” (Latin post hoc ergo propter hoc) - logical trick, in which causality is identified with chronological, temporal: "If event X happened after event Y, then event Y is the cause of event X".

            A similar mistake is the assumption that the coincidence of events in time means their causal relationship (Latin sum hoc ergo propter hoc), "Event X and event Y occur simultaneously, which means that event Y is the cause of event X." Both events can be the consequences of an indefinite number of other causes.

            I think I already told you that it would be nice for you to learn some logic. Apparently, you did not heed my good advice. It happens, well.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 1 January 2021 15: 39
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              Cyril... Dear, you did not see any logic in my words, because I do not assert anything, nothing at all.

              А attests American nurse. She is like a medical professional no doubt in the cause of what happened to her. hi

              PS Thanks to the author Sergey Marzhetsky for the article.
              1. Cyril Online Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 1 January 2021 15: 59
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                And the American nurse testifies. She, as a medical professional, does not doubt the reason for what happened to her.

                I'll tell you a secret - nurses and nurses absolutely do not understand anything about the etiology and pathology of diseases for one simple reason: this is not their job and they are not prepared for this.

                Therefore, the words of the nurse that the effects she indicated developed precisely because of the vaccine are not any evidence.

                Do not confuse medical and auxiliary medical personnel. They have different functions and radically different levels of training and qualifications.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 1 January 2021 16: 34
                  +1


                  The sediment remained.
                  1. Cyril Online Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 1 January 2021 17: 00
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                    I have already given the fact-checking of this news below - a fainted nurse has such fainting spells, in her own words, happen all the time. Here are her words:

                    I have had an overreaction of the vagus nerve in the past, and therefore, if I experience pain from anything, from a burr or a prick in my toe, I may just pass out.»

                    So no sediment - you just need to check and double-check the facts.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 1 January 2021 17: 45
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                      Quote: Cyril
                      So no sediment - you just need to check and double-check the facts.

                      Good luck to you! hi
              2. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 2 January 2021 02: 02
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                Dear, you did not see any logic in my words, because I do not assert anything, nothing at all.

                Get used to it yes If Cyril is not satisfied with the information, the accusation of lack of logic immediately appears. winked Since the opinion does not coincide with his, it is a priori illogical winked In general, do not pay attention, look at it as parasite words that do not carry a semantic load hi
                1. Cyril Online Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 2 January 2021 23: 36
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                  Since the opinion does not coincide with his, it is a priori illogical

                  What does my opinion have to do with it? My opponent sent in a video that allegedly proves the existence of severe side effects such as facial paralysis in the Pfizer vaccine.

                  I indicated what particular logical error (or trick, if it was deliberate) was made.

                  Where is the discrepancy with my opinion? There is a specific video, there is a specific logical error.

                  In general, do not pay attention, look at it as words are parasites that do not carry a semantic load

                  You described your comment perfectly.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 3 January 2021 00: 13
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                    Quote: Cyril
                    I indicated what specific logical error was made in this case

                    Cyril, quote me where I made a logical mistake. Just quote, no comment. I want her, a mistake, just to see. smile
                    1. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 01: 40
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                      Okay, I quote:

                      Side effects from American vaccine.

                      Can I explain to you that in this phrase of yours, the side effects are directly related to the Pfizer vaccine?
                      1. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 3 January 2021 13: 39
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                        You better explain to me dear Cyrilwhat a logical mistake I made by putting this f, how do you write, under this video?
                      2. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 14: 21
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                        what logical mistake i have made

                        I have already written - the error of identifying the causal relationship with the chronological one.
                      3. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 3 January 2021 15: 09
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                        Quote: Cyril
                        I have already written - the error of identifying the causal relationship with the chronological one.

                        !!! fool

                        Side effects of the American vaccine

                        - it's just an inscription under this video, helping us to understand what this video is about.

                        Cyril, if the inscription under the hole on the fence did not meet your expectations, then this is your mistake, not a logical one. Have the courage to admit it. lol
                      4. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 17: 41
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                        - it's just an inscription under this video, helping us to understand what this video is about.

                        No, this is a label that says facial nerve palsy is a side effect of the American vaccine. This is an inscription that claims this as a medical fact.

                        if the inscription under the hole on the fence did not meet your expectations, then this is your mistake, not a logical one. Have the courage to admit it. lol

                        No, this is precisely your logical error or a deliberate trick. What - I indicated. Whether you are able to realize it or not is your problem.
                    2. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 3 January 2021 17: 39
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                      Cyril, seriously, they might not understand the joke ...

                      In my caption, made under the video, the phrase: "Side effects of the American vaccine", there can be no logical error, in general and never.

                      I explain why:

                      Because this inscription does not contain a statement, and even more so, any reasoning. In other words, there is simply no room for logical error.

                      Read what a logical error is. hi
                    3. Cyril Online Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 17: 47
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                      - Because this inscription does not contain a statement

                      It actually contains. Your sign says the nurse's palsy is a side effect of the American vaccine. Your phrase states that this paralysis is a side effect of the American vaccine.

                      I quote again your own words:

                      "Side Effects of the American Vaccine"

                      This is an affirmative statement.

                      Read what a logical error is.

                      I know this perfectly well, my logic was always in order. You constantly have shoals with her.
                    4. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 3 January 2021 20: 06
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                      American Vaccine, (continued).

                    5. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 5 January 2021 17: 44
                      +1

                      In Portugal, a female doctor died after being vaccinated with Pfizer.
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 3 January 2021 00: 47
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          What does my opinion have to do with it? My opponent sent in a video that allegedly proves the existence of severe side effects such as facial paralysis in the Pfizer vaccine.
          I indicated what particular logical error (or trick, if it was deliberate) was made.

          What are you saying winked This is how it was belay
          The person brought you a videotape with the opinion of the nurse on this issue and no more. Below is an explanatory inscription:

          "Side Effects of the American Vaccine."

          You, as usual, began to be clever and pretend to be "Mr. Logic", if literally, it looks like this:

          I think I already told you that it would be nice for you to learn some logic. Apparently, you did not heed my good advice. It happens, well.

          Your overwhelming arrogance of a narcissistic peacock clearly does not correspond to the inner content. negative In any case, this cannot be said from the text. request
          1. Cyril Online Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 01: 45
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            The person brought you a videotape with the opinion of the nurse on this issue and no more. Below is an explanatory inscription:

            "Side Effects of the American Vaccine."

            Exactly. Now re-read this explanatory caption again. Then another. Then another. Then again. What if you realize that in this explanatory phrase, the side effects indicated in the video are directly associated with the American vaccine with the preposition "from"?

            Your overwhelming arrogance of a narcissistic peacock

            This is not my off-scale conceit, but your narrow-mindedness. It is not my fault that I have to chew everything up and explain it to you like a little one.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 3 January 2021 14: 45
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              Exactly. Now re-read this explanatory caption again. Then another. Then another. Then again. What if you realize that in this explanatory phrase, the side effects indicated in the video are directly associated with the American vaccine with the preposition "from"?

              That is how yes In the video presented, the side effects are directly related to the American vaccine. What confuses you? Do you think Russian propagandists cast a shadow on the "pale-faced" and this, by definition, is not possible and not logical? Perhaps in this particular case it is not so, but what difference does it make? Do you want to say this is not possible in principle? Allergies and side effects are possible from any vaccine. What does the logic have to do with it? belay

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=824F2SYBLyw

              This is not my off-scale conceit, but your narrow-mindedness. It is not my fault that I have to chew everything up and explain it to you like a little one.

              There is no need to explain anything, everything is clear. You are hurt by the fact that Americans are criticized. There is essentially nothing to argue, it remains only to be clever. This has long been clear to everyone. Heavy share of Kholuy? smile
            2. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 17: 39
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              In the video presented, the side effects are directly related to the American vaccine. What confuses you?

              I am "confused" only by the fact that I have to explain to you, like an adult, how a confirmed medical fact differs from speculation and assumption.

              Do you think Russian propagandists cast a shadow on the "pale-faced" this, by definition, is not possible and not logical?

              The very possibility of vaccine side effects (from any - American or Russian, it doesn't matter) certainly exists.

              The question is what kind of side effects they are, what severity, with whom and with what probability they manifest themselves.

              One thing is a short-term rise in temperature and malaise, an allergic reaction in people with allergies. These side effects have been identified during clinical trials and practical use of vaccines and are a confirmed fact, with whom no one is going to argue.

              Isophat provided a video in which a vaccinated nurse directly calls her face paralysis after vaccination as a side effect of the American vaccine.

              It is also theoretically possible, but it is not an established medical fact. However, the caption that Isophat accompanied this video states that this nurse has Bell's palsy as a consequence of the American vaccine.

              Attention. He wrote not "a possible side effect of the American vaccine", but "a side effect of an American vaccine." Feel the difference, no?

              Perhaps in this particular case it is not so, but what difference does it make?

              Indeed, what difference does it make if the vaccine actually causes facial nerve palsy or not? It's such a trifle. is not it? Who will pay attention to this when deciding on the admission of the vaccine for use, its procurement, etc.

              There is no need to explain anything, everything is clear.

              You get hurt by criticizing Americans

              No. I am "bored" by your and Isophat's attempts to pull the owl onto the globe.

              There is essentially nothing to argue, it remains only to be clever.

              I justify all my objections in detail. The fact that you do not see the difference between fact and speculation is the problem of your development.

              Heavy share of Kholuy?

              What is your share, hard or not - I do not know. And that doesn't really interest me.
            3. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 3 January 2021 20: 01
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              I am "confused" only by the fact that I have to explain to you, like an adult, how a confirmed medical fact differs from speculation and assumption.

              Don’t be embarrassed, try to explain the relationship between the difference in assumptions and medical facts with your arrogant teachings about logic.

              One thing is a short-term rise in temperature and malaise, an allergic reaction in people with allergies. These side effects were identified during clinical trials and practical application of vaccines and are a confirmed fact, with which no one is going to argue.
              Isophat provided a video in which a vaccinated nurse directly calls her face paralysis after vaccination as a side effect of the American vaccine.
              It is also theoretically possible, but it is not an established medical fact. However, the caption that Isophat accompanied this video states that this nurse has Bell's palsy as a consequence of the American vaccine.
              Attention. He wrote not "a possible side effect of the American vaccine", but "a side effect of an American vaccine." Feel the difference, no?

              Why not? You are exactly the same narcissistic boorish ignoramus challenging medical facts smile
              In the course of the study, four people were noted to have Bell's palsy (paralysis or weakness of the muscles of the face, usually on one side, without a specific cause). In the placebo group, there were no such cases. As explicitly stated in the FDA Vaccine Decision Memorandum
              https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

              Are these symptoms the dark-skinned nurse in the video describes? winked
              You pounce on people, lecture them on logic, rant about "fucking" laughing , while doing this yourself do not bother.

              Indeed, what difference does it make if the vaccine actually causes facial nerve palsy or not? It's such a trifle. is not it? Who will pay attention to this when deciding on the admission of the vaccine for use, its procurement, etc.

              And don't say what difference it makes it paralysis or not request The vaccine was registered on an emergency basis, and manufacturers are exempted from liability for side effects caused by the use of the vaccine
              https://tass.ru/obschestvo/10288393

              It looks like profit is more important. Apparently the wrong country was called Gondurs, isn't it? lol
              I understand this is a heavy moral blow to your unstable psyche, in general, brace yourself.

              No. I am "bored" by your and Isophat's attempts to pull the owl onto the globe.

              It looks like a globe you pulled yourself repeat

              I justify all my objections in detail. The fact that you do not see the difference between fact and speculation is the problem of your development.

              So what were you talking about facts and speculation? smile

              I congratulate you young man. You have once again been muddied in the face with a "damp" rag winked Apparently this procedure is becoming familiar to you and perhaps even like it. I see no other explanation for your behavior. You categorically do not want to learn from your own mistakes.
              You would apologize to the person or something, otherwise you lecture him, accuse the devil knows what. sad Or do they not give out conscience to "adepts"?
            4. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 21: 52
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              try to explain the relationship between the difference in assumptions and medical facts with your arrogant moral teachings about logic.

              Let me explain (once again already): passing an assumption as a fact is a logical error (if not on purpose) or a trick (if on purpose).

              Are these symptoms the dark-skinned nurse in the video describes? winked
              You lash out at people, lecture them on logic, talk about "fucking" laughing, and you don't bother to do this yourself.

              From what? It's just that it has already been done before me.

              https://factcheck.kz/claim-checking/verdict/pravda-li-chto-u-chetveryx-dobrovolcev-poluchivshix-vakcinu-pfizer-razvilsya-paralich-bella/
              Now let's turn to the original source - the FDA report. Quote from the report:

              Among non-serious unsolicited adverse events, there was a numerical imbalance of four cases of Bell's palsy in the vaccine group compared with no cases in the placebo group, though the four cases in the vaccine group do not represent a frequency above that expected in the general population.

              If you don't understand English, then it says that there is indeed an imbalance in the cases of Bell's palsy in the group of vaccinated versus those who received placebo (4 cases versus 0). Only this does not exceed the standard rates of Bell's palsy in the population.

              But again, you only specified the first part and did not specify the second. As always.

              Here is such a fact-checking.

              The vaccine was registered on an emergency basis

              Yes, they registered in an emergency due to the emergency. The same was done in Russia with Russian vaccines. Moreover, the Pfizer vaccine passed all 3 phases of clinical trials before it was registered, but the Russian vaccine was registered in Russia in the second phase, without passing the third. It goes through the third phase "in the fields". But this fact somehow doesn't really bother you, does it? The Russian vaccine is a priori more spiritual and Orthodox, it simply cannot harm by definition :)

              and manufacturers are exempt from liability for side effects caused by the use of the vaccine
              https://tass.ru/obschestvo/10288393

              Everything is correct. The development and testing of vaccines takes on average 2-3 years; American developers did it in less than a year in an emergency. Naturally, this increases the likelihood that an urgently developed vaccine may have more side effects that simply did not have time to appear in such a short time.

              Therefore, pharmaceutical companies investing huge amounts of money (mostly their own) in the development of a vaccine must have some kind of legal protection. What is so "Honduran" in this - I can't imagine.

              So what were you talking about facts and speculation?

              I said (and continue to say) that your and Isophat's reasoning is based on speculation, not facts.

              You have once again been muddied in the face with a "damp" rag

              Once again, I advise you not to publicly demonstrate the consequences of your age-related incontinence. This is uncivilized.

              You categorically do not want to learn from your own mistakes.

              In this particular case, I have no error whatsoever.

              Would you apologize to a person or something

              No apologies for the truth.

              accuse the devil knows what.

              How in what? In that he passes off speculation as facts and uses logical tricks (or makes logical mistakes).

              Or do they not give out conscience to "adepts"?

              I do not know what they give you or what they deprive you of.
            5. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 3 January 2021 23: 07
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              Let me explain (once again already): passing an assumption as a fact is a logical error (if not on purpose) or a trick (if on purpose).

              What does assumption mean? belay The nurse is real, the paralysis is the same. We look at the results of the vaccine test ... 4 cases, while not one of those who did not receive the vaccine fell ill. It remains to find out whether the vaccine is the cause of the disease .. and what "competent sources" from Kazakhstan write to us about this (by your link).

              Based on these data, it can be concluded that Bell's palsy in volunteers most likely has nothing to do with the vaccine.

              Wherein...

              Therefore, at present there is no clear basis for the formation of a causal relationship, nevertheless Management US Food and Drug Administration recommends further careful monitoring of Bell's palsy in larger populations.

              They do not know request Classic "highley like". It reminds me of something. what



              However, this is understandable, on the Kazakh site under this material there is a small postscript:

              This material was prepared with the support of the British Embassy in Kazakhstan in the framework of the project to combat disinformation about COVID-19

              Here is such a fact-checking.

              This is "fact-checking" because fact-checking itself does not give a precise answer. All statements are made on assumptions. And here you are trying to read lectures about logic and medical facts. But we are talking about people's health.

              Excerpts from ICH GCP Rules
              1.1. Adverse drug effects (ADR).
              As part of a pre-registration clinical trial of a new medicinal product or its study for new indications, especially if the therapeutic doses of the drug are not precisely established, side effects should include all negative or unexpected reactions associated with the introduction of any dose of the drug.
              Term "Associated with the administration of a medicinal product" means that there is at least a minimal probability of a causal relationship between the drug and the negative manifestation, i.e. relationship cannot be ruled out.

              That is, according to the rules, these are side effects until proven otherwise. And you are blowing in your ears about the "medical fact". It is the company who must prove the safety of the vaccine and not someone else who must prove its unsuitability or danger. All these rules are spat on from the high bell tower.

              And you don't care about the real facts, you will lay your bones for the interests of the owners negative
            6. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 05: 25
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              What does assumption mean? belay Nurse is real, paralysis is the same.

              Yeah, but the relationship between vaccination and its paralysis has not been reliably established.

              We are looking at the results of the vaccine trial ... 4 cases, while not one of those who did not receive the vaccine fell ill.

              And these 4 cases do not go beyond the average Bell's palsy cases in the population without vaccination. And the absence of such cases in the placebo group is fully explained by the sample size. The frequency of its occurrence according to statistics is 23 cases per 100 people. How many people were there in the placebo group?

              They do not know request Classic "highlike".

              Well, that's right in the passage - there were 4 cases of Bell's palsy in the trials after vaccination. For this reason, the FDA has recommended that more careful consideration of such cases in the future. among larger populations... This recommendation does not mean that Bell's palsy is an established "side effect" (why this concept is in quotation marks - explained below) of the vaccine, but such a possibility exists theoretically. Therefore, more careful observation is recommended in order to further establish the presence or absence of a causal relationship between Bell's palsy and the vaccine.

              However, this is understandable, on the Kazakh site under this material there is a small postscript:

              And, well, yes, well, yes - "the Englishwoman crap."

              That is, by the rules these are side effects

              It is excellent that you have finally turned to the original source. You would still have learned to read it correctly and completely.

              To begin with, in the ICH GCP itself, there is no term "side effects". This is a clumsy and incorrect translation of the term "adverse drug reaction; ADR", which translates as "unwanted (not side) reaction". In the Russian document "Assessment of Clinical Safety Data:
              terminology and standards of express reporting ", adopted in 2009 by the Federal Agency for Technical Regulation and Metrology and identical to ICH GCP (this is directly stated in the document), the following terms and clarifications are given:

              2.1.1 Undesirable phenomenon; AE (adverse event; AE): Any medically unfavorable event identified in a patient or subject of a clinical trial after the use of a medicinal product, which may not have a causal relationship with its use.
              Thus, an undesirable phenomenon can be any unfavorable symptom (including a deviation of a laboratory value from the norm), a complaint or a disease, the time of occurrence of which does not exclude a causal relationship with the use of a medicinal (investigational) product, regardless of the presence or absence of such a connection.

              2.1.2 Adverse reaction; НР (adverse drug reaction; ADR): Regarding the pre-registration clinical use of a new medicinal product or its use for new indications, especially if the therapeutic doses are not precisely established, all negative reactions associated with the use of any dose of the medicinal product. The term “drug-related” means that there is at least a minimal possibility of a causal relationship between the drug product and an adverse event, i. E. the relationship is not excluded.
              For registered medicinal products, this term means all adverse reactions associated with the use of a medicinal product in usual doses used to prevent, diagnose or treat diseases, as well as to change physiological functions.

              In some cases it is used side effect term - as a rule, to describe negative (unfavorable), but also positive (favorable) effects. This term is not recommended at this time; in particular, it should not be regarded as synonymous with the terms "adverse event" or "adverse reaction".

              Thus, the terms "adverse event" or "adverse reaction" are described only opportunity the relationship between a drug and a negative phenomenon that has arisen after taking it. The term "side effect" in the specifications for a drug describes a phenomenon, the relationship of which with the use of this drug has been clinically established with high reliability. If there is evidence of the relationship of an undesirable phenomenon, but it is not enough to accurately establish a causal relationship - use the postscript "possibly".

              You can verify this by reading any Russian specification for any drug.

              We read the document further:

              In clinical research it is necessary to assess the causal relationship of the event with the product under investigation.
              If the reporting physician or sponsor does not rule out a causal relationship with the medicinal product, the event is considered an adverse reaction.
              For reporting purposes, reports of adverse events arising from the use of a registered medicinal product ("spontaneous" reports) are usually considered to be related to the use of the medicinal product and are subject to reporting to the competent authorities.

              To assess the causal relationship between a medicinal product and an adverse event, various terms and gradations are used, for example, the relationship is reliable, probable, possible, unlikely or no relationship.

              Also, concepts such as "possible link", "inferred link" or "link cannot be ruled out" can be used.

              In fact, referring a certain phenomenon to "adverse events" or "adverse reactions" is a reassurance - it means that the study of this phenomenon in the context of testing or the use of a drug should be considered more carefully, but does not mean that this phenomenon is definitely a consequence of the use of this drug ...

              until proven otherwise

              This erroneous phrase stems directly from the clumsy translation of the term "adverse reaction" that you quoted. In fact, during research, they prove the relationship between the phenomenon and the drug, and not the absence of this relationship.

              It is the company who must prove the safety of the vaccine and not someone else who must prove its unsuitability or danger.

              This is how the company proves that the lack of evidence of the relationship between the adverse event and the drug is evidence of the absence of this causal relationship. Evidence-based medicine is based on scientific criteria, and scientific criteria prove the existence of causal relationships, not their absence. If in the course of research there is no evidence of a causal relationship between an adverse event and a drug, then a priori it is considered that there is no such relationship.
            7. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 12 January 2021 06: 12
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              There are many words, not enough on the case.

              Evidence-based medicine is based on scientific criteria, and scientific criteria prove the existence of causal relationships, not their absence.

              This is how the company proves that the lack of evidence of the relationship between the adverse event and the drug is evidence of the absence of this causal relationship.

              Is it proven? And how? We don't know for sure. Most likely, this is not us, I swear by my mother. laughing Let's call side effects an undesirable reaction and that's it?

              If in the course of research there is no evidence of a causal relationship between an adverse event and a drug, then a priori it is considered that there is no such relationship.

              Do not lie. negative If you use your terminology, you must prove absence a causal relationship between taking the vaccine and the resulting consequences. Failure to prove the relationship between the use of the drug and the onset "undesirable consequences" does not automatically mean that they did not occur as a result of its use.
              Doctors and nursing home staff in the United States are massively refusing to take the vaccine.
              https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-19-vaccines-distribution-rollout-struggles-n1252617

              Apparently they don't read Kazakh sites laughing Maybe you should spend your gift of persuasion on them? Or even prove her safety by personal example? I wouldn't mind testing on you. yes
              In general, sit down 2. negative And I would also whip with a belt sad
            8. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 07: 34
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              There are many words, not enough on the case.

              With you, yes, as always.

              Is it proven? And how?

              Proven that? Lack of causation between Bell's palsy and the vaccine? Yes, because no convincing evidence has been provided for a causal relationship between them.

              Let's call side effects an undesirable reaction and that's it?

              Can't read? It is written that these two concepts cannot be synonymous in meaning at all.

              If you use your terminology, you must prove that there is no causal relationship between the vaccine intake and the resulting consequences.

              No, they shouldn't. Because the term "undesirable phenomenon" does not imply the presence of a causal relationship at all - only a chronological one. From it does not follow in any way what should prove the absence of a causal relationship.

              Failure to prove the relationship between the use of the drug and the onset "undesirable consequences" does not automatically mean that they did not occur as a result of its use.

              Means. Otherwise, the drug would have to be tested for a causal relationship with all diseases in the world.

              Clarify (that is, conduct additional research) only if earlier in the course of testing and / or use of the drug, the phenomenon in question began to meet with statistical significance. 4 people with Bell's palsy, as has been said more than once, do not go beyond the usual population statistics for this syndrome.

              Simply put, the very presence of 4 cases of this syndrome in the vaccinated group is not evidence that Bell's palsy is a side effect of the vaccine .. It is only a reason for more careful monitoring of the manifestation of this syndrome in the future. And if it manifests itself with such results that it will clearly go beyond the general population statistics - then yes, they will conduct targeted research on this syndrome in the context of its possible connection with the vaccine.

              And even more so, 4 vaccinated people with Bell's palsy syndrome are not sufficient grounds for the categorical statement that Bell's palsy is a side effect of the American vaccine. Namely, this statement was made by Isophat.

              Doctors and nursing home staff in the United States are massively refusing to take the vaccine.

              And here's how the news itself sounds:

              About 50 percent of front-line workers in California's Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine

              So what? What are these "front-line workers"? Are they licensed doctors or recruited volunteers and nurses who, by definition, lack the medical education and qualifications to be a professional judge of vaccine safety? Moreover, given the widespread prevalence in the United States of conspiracy theories about "chipping through vaccines" such a large percentage of those who are afraid is quite understandable.

              Moreover, it is not clear what exactly they are afraid of. You can be afraid of the already established side effects, or you can be afraid of a vaccine that has just completed a clinical trial program. You can generally be afraid of "chipping". This does not in any way indicate the safety of the vaccine - only the level of qualifications of people, the degree of their awareness of the vaccine and other factors that are very indirectly related to medicine.

              And here are other figures for you - already about the trust of Russians in vaccination in general and the Russian vaccine in particular:

              https://ria.ru/20201005/privivka-1578199577.html

              Quote:

              Not ready for vaccination 73 percent of respondents, another four percent said they had had COVID-19 and did not need the vaccine.
              The vast majority of respondents (93 percent) believe that vaccination against coronavirus should be carried out on a voluntary basis. Seven percent are confident that vaccinations should be made mandatory for everyone.
              Russian-made vaccine would be preferred by 24 percent of respondents, and only 13 percent would like to be vaccinated with a foreign vaccine. At the same time, 63 percent of the respondents said that it is not important for them whose production the vaccine is, the main thing is its effectiveness.

              But okay, the news is still October. Maybe now the overwhelming majority of Russians want to go get vaccinated with the safest Russian vaccine tomorrow? Reading: https://www.rbc.ru/society/14/12/2020/5fd738399a7947a25f7d22e8

              Quote:

              If in September and October only 23% of citizens were ready to be vaccinated against COVID-19, tbut now their share has grown to 42%... Most Russians know about the Sputnik V vaccine. FOM believes that confidence in her will grow

              Over the past month, the number of Russians ready to get vaccinated against coronavirus has increased significantly. This is evidenced by the data of a poll conducted by the Public Opinion Foundation (FOM) in November (RBC has it).

              42% of respondents reported their readiness to be vaccinated. The FOM notes that this is almost twice as much as in September-October, when 19% of respondents expressed their readiness to be vaccinated against COVID-23.

              In total, in December only 42% trusted the Russian vaccine and the vaccine against covid in general.

              More, of course, but still somehow not ice.

              But that's okay, these are Russians in general. Maybe Russian doctors, heirs to the "best healthcare system" trust the Russian vaccine? Watching 9news:

              https://www.rbc.ru/society/14/08/2020/5f35d9579a79471d249e8374 (новость августовская, но тогда же вакцина "Спутник" и была зарегистрирована)

              Quote:

              Most physicians interviewed by the Doctor's Handbook (RBC has the results) said they were not ready to receive the coronavirus vaccine created at the Gamalea Center. Of the more than 3000 participants in the study, 52% answered negatively to this question. 24,5% agree to be vaccinated.

              When asked about the reasons for the lack of confidence in the vaccine, which was registered this week by President Vladimir Putin, 66% of those surveyed said there was insufficient data on its effectiveness. 48% were confused by the fact that it was possible to create the tool in too short a time.

              And here are the results of later studies https://openmedia.io/news/n2/pochti-chetvert-vrachej-v-rossii-ne-veryat-v-covid-19-iv-vakcinu-ot-nego-za-mesyac -privilis-tolko-3-medikov /

              Better, but still quite comparable with the results you quoted of the trust of American medical workers in the American vaccine.

              Whether this in some way indicates the quality of the Russian or any other vaccine - no, it does not. This only indicates the level of education of people, the degree of their awareness and other mostly non-medical factors. And that's all.

              Once again, the evidence of the danger / safety of the vaccine is evidence from scientific research.

              And I would also whip with a belt

              You will first cope with incontinence and "spanking" will grow.
            9. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 12 January 2021 07: 52
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              Proven that? Lack of causation between Bell's palsy and the vaccine? Yes, because no convincing evidence has been provided for a causal relationship between them.

              No one has to prove a causal relationship between vaccination and disease. There are cases of the disease and this is an indisputable fact. The company's task is to prove the absence of this connection. And she did not fulfill it.
              People do not believe them and simply do not want to be vaccinated with "kosorylovka".
            10. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 08: 00
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              No one has to prove a causal relationship between vaccination and disease.

              In fact, this is what they have to prove. This is the principle of evidence-based medicine.

              The company's task is to prove the absence of this connection.

              And she did not fulfill it.

              Complied - She found no evidence of an association between Bell's palsy and the vaccine.

              There are cases of the disease and this is an indisputable fact.

              Do not go beyond the general population statistics. This is a fact, but sufficient only for further more careful observation, and not for additional testing.

              People do not believe them and simply do not want to be vaccinated with "kosorylovka".

              And then what do the Russians dislike about the Sputnik vaccine, to which they have a similar level of confidence?
            11. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 12 January 2021 08: 29
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              In fact, this is what they have to prove. This is the principle of evidence-based medicine.

              True? And how does the company follow it? Has she proven the vaccine is safe?

              Complied - She found no evidence of an association between Bell's palsy and the vaccine.

              Not Shmogla? This is not proof. No.
              It must prove precisely the absence of a relationship.

              And then what do the Russians dislike about the Sputnik vaccine, to which they have a similar level of confidence?

              What's the difference? This does not change the essence of the matter. These are your words ...

              Whether this in any way indicates the quality of the Russian or any other vaccine - no, it does not.

              I don't see the essence of going deeper. American Security "KOSORYLOVKI"not proven period.
              If there is evidence, I will gladly consider. If not, don't bother, don't write. Extensive discussions on the use of more correct formulations and how we need to penetrate and forgive American manufacturers, and it is customary for gentlemen to take their word for it, are not interesting. request I do not intend to read or answer them. Goodbye hi
            12. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 08: 43
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              True? And how does the company follow it? Has she proven the vaccine is safe?

              Quite, once the FDA approved it.

              Not Shmogla? This is not proof.

              Not Shmogla? This is not proof. no
              It must prove precisely the absence of a relationship.

              This is just the evidence - if no evidence of a causal relationship is found in the course of research, then a conclusion is made about the absence of this relationship. These are generally general scientific principles adopted in medicine as well. Nobody proves the absence of anything.

              What's the difference? This does not change the essence of the matter. These are your words ...

              How does this not change the essence? Either you, in confirmation of the alleged danger of the American vaccine, cite the reluctance of American health workers to be vaccinated with it, then when I bring up an absolutely similar situation with Russian doctors and the Russian vaccine - suddenly "it does not change the essence" :) Cool 180 degree turn :)

              I don't see the essence of going deeper.

              And it’s just necessary to go deeper. In the methodology and conceptual apparatus of medical research at least.

              The safety of the American "KOSORYLOVKA" has not been proven, period.

              Absolute safety - of course not. Not a single drug or vaccine is absolutely safe, be it Russian, or American, or whatever. An acceptable level of safety has been proven.

              If there is evidence, I will gladly consider.

              They are, just your black-and-white thinking and irrational anti-Americanism does not let you understand them :) This is no longer my problem.

              Extensive reasoning on the use of more correct formulations

              This is not a "lengthy discussion", but a clear definition of terms. It is with a clear definition of terms that any science begins, and it is with a distortion of terminology that demagoguery begins - as you do with Isophat.

              Yes, gentlemen take their word for it

              No one takes their word for it - they trust the data of medical research.

              Read more... and even more so, he doesn't intend to answer them.

              "I have not read, but I condemn" - yes, this is about you :)
            13. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 14 January 2021 00: 49
              -1
              Here interesting data appeared, which vaccine is preferred in the world:

              https://meduza.io/short/2021/01/12/kakie-vaktsiny-v-mire-zakazyvayut-bolshe-vsego-v-odnoy-kartinke
  2. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 3 January 2021 23: 31
    +1
    Quote: Cyril
    I said (and continue to say) that your and Isophat's reasoning is based on speculation, not facts.

    Cyril... I'm talking about the American vaccine did not reason at all, and posted a video to your comment, signing it: "Side Effects of the American Vaccine", as I want and I sign.

    This phrase (signature) is not logical statement... Because it cannot be assigned the values ​​"Truth", "False" - there is no statement! I call video, it's like people give nicknames to their dogs. All your accusations are unfounded.

    In this video, the nurse said she was thinking about the virus. No need to deny factthat there is at least one nurse who thinks negatively about the virus.

    Let people hear different opinions about the American vaccine. And after posting the second part of the video, I again I don't make logical mistakes, absolutely.
  3. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 05: 43
    -2
    I didn't talk about the American vaccine at all,

    You submitted a video about the American vaccine and labeled it as "side effects of the American vaccine." With this phrase, you established a causal relationship between the American vaccine and a specific adverse medical event.

    Because it cannot be assigned the values ​​"Truth", "False" - there is no statement!

    How is it not? In your comment, you wrote "a side effect of the American vaccine." The term "side effect" refers to a well-established causal relationship between an adverse medical event (Bell's palsy) and the American vaccine.

    This phrase (signature) is not a logical statement.

    Is an. We look once:

    Expression in mathematical logic - judgment sentence... If the judgment that makes up the content (meaning) of a certain statement is true, then the statement is said to be true. Similarly, a statement that is an expression of a false judgment is called false. Truth and falsity are called logical or truth values ​​of statements [1].

    The statement must be a declarative sentence, and is opposed to imperative, interrogative and any other sentences, the assessment of the truth or falsity of which is impossible [2].

    Is your signature a declarative sentence? Is an. It has a subject (Bell's palsy) and a predicate (a side effect of the American vaccine). You just expressed it in a short form, which is allowed by the norms of the Russian language.

    Damn, you have to explain such elementary things as if to an adult.
  4. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 12 January 2021 14: 50
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    Quote: isofat
    Side effects from the American vaccine.


    This is a screenshot of the screen area.
    To what have you sunk. Or was it me ... who brought you to such a sad end for you?

    Bye Bye... wink

    PS To the inattentive reader. My opponent changed my phrase.
  5. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 15: 36
    -2
    To what have you sunk.

    You mean that I did not put the preposition "from"? Yes, it is true, I behaved inattentively, I beg your pardon.

    Only this pretext does not change anything. Expression:

    "a side effect (whose?) of the American vaccine"

    the meaning is absolutely identical to your original

    side effect of (what?) American vaccine

    Both that and that form uniquely establish a causal relationship.

    So you can turn around like in a frying pan, trying to get away from what you said. With 123 this trick will work, it is not the same, with me - no.
  6. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 12 January 2021 16: 01
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    DO NOT JUSTIFY.

    Quote: Cyril
    Is your signature a declarative sentence? Is an. It has a subject (Bell's palsy) and a predicate (a side effect of the American vaccine).

    I must admit that I am pleased with your pathetic look. But judging by your behavior, you are not the first.

    PS
    Side effects from the American vaccine.

    There is no verb here, do not invent it.
  7. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 16: 04
    -2
    DO NOT JUSTIFY.

    No excuses. I apologized for the inaccuracy of the quote and showed why my inaccuracy did not in any way affect the meaning of this quote.

    If you have problems with the Russian language, this is again not my problem, but yours.

    But judging by your behavior, you are not the first.

    It's not the first time to chew on elementary knowledge for you - yes, it's not the first time. It really tires me.
  8. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 05: 53
    -2
    There is no denying the fact that there is at least one nurse who thinks negatively about the virus.

    So nobody the fact that this nurse has a negative opinion does not dispute or deny about the American vaccine. However, this does not confirm the existence of a causal relationship between her paralysis and the American vaccine.

    And having published the second part of the video, I again do not make logical mistakes, at all.

    Here in this postscript to the second video:

    In Portugal, a woman doctor died after vaccination with Pfizer.

    You are really not making any logical mistake. Because you are not establishing any causal relationship between the death of a female doctor and vaccination - only chronological. There is no logical error here. But in the caption to the first video, it is, because in your inscription you call Bell's palsy at the nurse a side effect of the American vaccine, and the term "side effect" means an established causal relationship between the phenomenon and the drug.
  • Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 31 December 2020 12: 16
    -1
    Sometimes it would be nice to conduct fact-checking:

    In addition, in an interview with Channel 3, she stated that this is not uncommon for her, and explained what exactly happened. “In my past there was an overreaction of the vagus nerve, and therefore if I experience pain from anything, from a burr or a prick in my toe, I might just pass out»

    https://factcheck.kz/claim-checking/verdict/medsestra-umerla-posle-privivki-ot-covid-19-tak-li-eto/

    Thus, her faint has nothing to do with the vaccine itself.

    Don't be like Kharaluzhny, Pishenkov or Volkonsky, please. You can be a "statist" by conviction, this is normal. But journalism standards are still worth adhering to.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 December 2020 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: Cyril
      Don't be like Kharaluzhny, Pishenkov or Volkonsky, please. You can be a "statist" by conviction, this is normal. But journalism standards are still worth adhering to.

      I will try to. smile Happy New Year!
      1. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 1 January 2021 05: 15
        -2
        Both you and you with the Come
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 2 January 2021 18: 37
    +1
    And it's not just Russia that "suffered" from these environmental standards - in particular, the American auto industry has been suffering from them since the 70s.

    If the automotive industry of a particular country has been "suffering" for 50 years, it seems that it has some problems and at least this indicates its inefficiency. It is impossible to explain this by the "ecological press" alone.
    1. Cyril Online Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 17: 51
      -1
      If the automotive industry of a particular country has been "suffering" for 50 years, it seems that it has some problems and at least this indicates its inefficiency. It is impossible to explain this by the "ecological press" alone.

      Read about what a "muscle car" is and why their age in the United States was short-lived. The unsustainability of the engines was one of the main reasons.

      And yes, the American auto industry was inefficient in the 70s and 80s. This is a fact that I do not dispute anywhere.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 3 January 2021 20: 14
        +1
        And yes, the American auto industry was inefficient in the 70s and 80s. This is a fact that I do not dispute anywhere.

        So was it ineffective or is it still suffering? Literally, you wrote this:

        the American auto industry has been plagued by them since the 70s.

        Note that it is suffering, not suffering. Written in present tense. Are you starting to "get confused about the readings"? How unlike you No. You are a supporter of precise, verified formulations, right? winked As for the American auto industry itself, it looks like its suffering is not over, at least not a prosperous Detroit. In any case, it is not correct to attribute everything to the "oppression of ecologists".
        1. Cyril Online Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 3 January 2021 22: 01
          -2
          Note that it is suffering, not suffering. Written in present tense. Are you starting to "get confused about the readings"?

          Thanks for the amendment. How the American auto industry is doing now, I don't know. But in the 70s she suffered, yes.

          In any case, it is not correct to attribute everything to the "oppression of ecologists".

          And I do not write off the collapse of the American car industry ONLY on the "oppression of environmentalists" - I have not written anywhere that the introduction of new environmental standards was the only reason for the collapse of the American car industry. But it became one of the main reasons for this collapse.
  • Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 31 December 2020 12: 50
    -2
    Despite the activities of systemic liberals in power, we still have a lot of groundwork in the field of high technologies.

    Where only the "systemic liberals" are liberals is not clear.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2021 09: 24
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      Quote: Cyril
      Where only the "systemic liberals" are liberals is not clear.

      here I really like to quote D. Peskov:

      Russian President Vladimir Putin is an absolute liberal by nature, not a conservative, said presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

      You know, enemies - primarily abroad, but also some enemies inside Russia - believe that Putin is rather a conservative and a statesman who is alien to the word "freedom". But Putin is an absolute liberal by nature, and much more liberal than the so-called liberals who call themselves the "opposition

      - said Peskov in an interview with the Mir TV channel. According to him, the president is "absolutely liberal in his economic approaches, social policy and so on."
      Source - Russian newspaper https://rg.ru/2016/12/21/peskov-putin-gorazdo-bolshij-liberal-nezheli-nazyvnye-liberaly.html

      In general, without half a liter you cannot figure out who is a liberal and who is a statesman. drinks
      1. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 1 January 2021 14: 51
        -3
        I think you need to put "liberal" in quotation marks then :)
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 31 December 2020 13: 40
    +1
    Right. The Kremlin almost exchanged the aviation industry for burgers - blame everything on the liberals.

    Do not remember that it was the statesman Medvedev who ruled Gazprom, bought Boeings instead of ILs and, laundered the Superjet, and passed the Duma laws for millionaires ...

    And their Friends rule space, aviation, the Armed Forces and judges ...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2021 09: 21
      0
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      Right. The Kremlin almost exchanged the aviation industry for burgers - blame everything on the liberals.

      What do you mean, blame everything on the liberals? How these liberals ended up in positions is a separate and very interesting question.
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 January 2021 15: 22
        +1
        Since Putin himself called himself a prominent Liberal, how could the liberals not be in office?
        Must have.

        A bunch of Liberals call him a friend, and he calls them.
        It was not for nothing that Red was so happy at the headquarters of the first elections.

        If somewhere is not a Liberal - this is really a question !!!
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 2 January 2021 02: 06
      +2
      Do not remember that it was the statesman Medvedev who ruled Gazprom

      Is Medvedev a "statesman"? belay
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 January 2021 10: 55
        +1
        And how can the President of the Russian Federation, Director of Gazprom, Chairman of EDRA, Friend of GDP, and so on, so on, so on not to be a statesman ???
        You do not.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 2 January 2021 13: 27
          0
          And how can the President of the Russian Federation, Director of Gazprom, Chairman of EDRA, Friend of GDP, and so on, so on, so on not to be a statesman ???
          You do not.

          As much as he can. The definition should be given "by deeds" and convictions, and not indirect signs.
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 January 2021 18: 16
            0
            It is clear who is turning over billions in our country - he is a prominent statesman and an inviolable future senator.
            And who "should" - they have forgiven for a long time.
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 31 December 2020 14: 07
    +1
    The average pension in Russia, compared to 2013, increased from 9153 rubles. up to 14904 rubles, that is, from $ 295 to $ 193. And you say space, aviation !? The main thing is that there should be no war. Putin has been feeding us slogans for the last 20 years. We do not die of hunger and it’s already good !?
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 31 December 2020 15: 33
    +3
    Maybe the country is not wild and not backward, because it is a fragment of the USSR. But the country's rulers are wild and backward, even backward.
  • Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
    Hayer31 (Kashchei) 31 December 2020 16: 24
    +1
    Nicely said, but who was convicted of robbery or sabotage? Then they say blah blah blah.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2021 09: 29
      +2
      Chubais has been promoted to an international negotiator on particularly important issues with globalists. But someone believes that, on the contrary, he was demoted, depriving him of the status of a civil servant. True, now he can accept any gifts, obtain foreign citizenship, etc.
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 31 December 2020 17: 49
    +2
    Why are the fans so inactive? You should squeal and cry for joy! Well praise your idol! Or have you already eaten with joy?
  • Yurets Offline Yurets
    Yurets (Yuri) 1 January 2021 16: 13
    0
    If we go, at least, to state capitalism, then maybe something will work out. Otherwise, seams!
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  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 2 January 2021 10: 50
    +4
    false myths turned into predatory privatization, which spawned a narrow layer of oligarchs

    The oligarchs gave birth to the Yeltsin coup in 1991.
    To carry out a coup is half the battle, it was necessary to contrive and hold on to power, and in order to keep it, you need money to maintain associates, law enforcement agencies and the media, to buy supporters in the regions.
    The fate of the CPSU money is shrouded in darkness, and there were no others in the country devastated by Gorbachev.
    Yeltsin's associates from the so-called. “Families” were endowed with entire industries of the former national economy of the USSR and ministries. This is how the class of big capitalist oligarchs was created from the "boys" who were thirty at that time.
    A.B. Chubais carried out an outstanding seizure scam, when regional and other local authorities got hold of the largest enterprises in their estates for vouchers and became the support of the putschists in the regions.
    The most active citizens took up the expropriation of the expropriators and some succeeded. Even after many years, the affairs of some of them are still heard today.
    The bulk of the population survived as best they could.
    Thus, the restoration of capitalism and the stratification of society took place, a class of capitalists was created, which became the most reliable and loyal support of Yeltsin, ready to fight for his property to the last servant.
    The imperialist states could not help but support Yeltsin's coup d'etat and the restoration of capitalism, and in exchange for participation in the division of the former people's property and the robbery of the country, and when, with the advent of Putin, it became more and more difficult to plunder, they took up arms against V.V. Putin.

    In all its glory, the validity of this statement was manifested in the period from 2014 to 2020.

    The dependence of the Russian Federation on its geopolitical opponents is a derivative of Yeltsin's coup d'etat and the restoration of capitalism, capitalist integration and cooperation. It is not just that big business has been trying to join the WTO for more than a decade, for example.
    After the restoration of capitalism in the Russian Federation, it is impossible to live differently in principle !!!
    Large-scale industrialization and diversification of the Russian economy, real import substitution, etc., are aimed not at changing the social system, but at increasing the competitiveness of big capital in the international market. It is clear that no one is waiting for competitors in this market and therefore they are trying to crush them in the bud, and in order to crush them it is necessary to change the leadership of the Russian Federation and, first of all, V.V. Putin.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 January 2021 09: 15
      +1
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      The imperialist states could not help but support Yeltsin's coup d'etat and the restoration of capitalism, and in exchange for participation in the division of the former people's property and the robbery of the country, and when, with the advent of Putin, it became more and more difficult to plunder, they took up arms against V.V. Putin.

      Tell me, has the privatization of state property ended under Putin?
      1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
        Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 3 January 2021 10: 42
        0
        Has the social system changed?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 January 2021 09: 09
          0
          Quote: Jacques Sekavar
          Has the social system changed?

          Are you from Odessa?
      2. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
        Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 3 January 2021 13: 53
        +1
        Yeltsin's Privatization and Putin's Privatization are different concepts and their essence.
        Yeltsin-Chubais' privatization is the seizure of former public property as a result of a coup d'etat and its division in order to create a class of large capitalists, a support for the putschists.
        Putin's privatization is an element of a compromise between capitalists and the entire spectrum of their employees, aimed at encouraging and supporting capitalists in order to save the economy, prevent civil war and the collapse of the state. At the same time, big capital is not allowed in all spheres, and many strategic industries that were privatized during the Yeltsin-Chubais period have been returned to state control. Therefore, capitalism in the Russian Federation is not an integral economic system as in the rest of the capitalist world, it is controlled and regulated by the state, serves the state interests, and not one or another leading group of big business.
        This situation a priori cannot please the owners of “factories, newspapers, ships”. Therefore, by imposing sanctions on Russian capitalists and their property, the United States is trying thereby to increase their discontent and push them to oppose Putin, incl. and by downsizing and wage delays. This should provoke mass discontent and protest actions of the population, under the guise of which the government will change, there are enough “democrats” in the Russian Federation.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 January 2021 09: 06
          0
          Quote: Jacques Sekavar
          Yeltsin's Privatization and Putin's Privatization are different concepts and their essence.
          Yeltsin-Chubais' privatization is the seizure of former public property as a result of a coup d'etat and its division in order to create a class of large capitalists, a support for the putschists.
          Putin's privatization is an element of a compromise between capitalists and the entire spectrum of their employees, aimed at encouraging and supporting capitalists in order to save the economy, prevent civil war and the collapse of the state. At the same time, big capital is not allowed in all spheres, and many strategic industries that were privatized during the Yeltsin-Chubais period have been returned to state control.


          Eerie demagoguery. bully
          Under Putin, Chubais shattered the country's unified energy system and sold it off to foreigners.

          At the same time, big capital is not allowed in all spheres, and many strategic industries that were privatized in the Yeltsin-Chubais period have been returned to state control. Therefore, capitalism in the Russian Federation is not an integral economic system as in the rest of the capitalist world, it is controlled and regulated by the state, serves the state interests, and not one or another leading grouping of big capital.

          Terrible demagogy
          hi
          1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
            Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 4 January 2021 13: 28
            +1
            Anatoly Borisovich is a smart uncle, and RAO UES has enough smart specialists and even exports to other countries. There are many owners of generating stations, including Rosatom and RusHydro, but all, without exception, are within the framework of a single state energy system.
            The backbone networks are controlled by the federal grid company.
            Distribution networks are integrated into interregional companies.
            The regional ones are operated by an all-Russian operator.
            A.B. Chubais's reforms have increased forecasting, reliability, optimization, balance, efficiency, and, of course, are cost-effective.
            Therefore, there is no reason to worry about the state's energy security.
  • Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
    Rashid116 (Rashid) 3 January 2021 11: 50
    0
    "Energy" - I have been hearing these tales for twenty years. Like, development is underway, just about to break. What is the bottom line: we have built a nuclear power plant for Bulbash (with Russian money), we are building for Turks (with the same money). And they built a floating wunderfruit for themselves, and then she sailed somewhere to Chukotka like))). This is not where Abramovich robbed robust and rushed to London? Why haven't you written about super-duper gas pipelines yet? Two of them are half-empty, and the third is generally suspended in the air.
    "Cosmos" - I'm not special, of course. But, if you fly a little, then you will fall less, no? Well, then again slogans - we will develop, fly, launch ...
    "Aviation" - the experts may have gotten out of it, but where did our leadership look, and why the heck is it necessary? Why do we need these parasites, who cannot calculate a little ahead? That the confrontation began yesterday?
    "Shipbuilding" - supertanker, gas carriers ... I'm happy !!! Now we will be able to sell the resources of future generations even faster. "We" have already taken our share, don't you think?
    "Medicine" - I'd better not say anything. Although not))). Maybe your maskals are all bad, but in our regions the planned activities have almost stopped, although they are chatting on TV that they are not. No one can make an appointment with a doctor and even an ambulance must be persuaded very strongly. I generally had to threaten, there was a case, not for myself caused.
    Epilogue: I agree, there is a lot of groundwork left from the USSR, which is being abused by all, and the youth began to stir. In my opinion, everything was moving because "our" rats were given in the ass in the west, and they were declared who they really are, rats who steal from their own people and drag them there. There are such hardened scoundrels there, and they disdain ours. We get the benefit from this))). So the hell would they change something, everything suited them.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 January 2021 09: 13
      0
      Quote: Rashid116
      Epilogue: I agree, there is a lot of groundwork left from the USSR, which is being abused by all, and the youth began to stir. In my opinion, everything was moving because "our" rats were given in the ass in the west, and they were declared who they really are, rats who steal from their own people and drag them there. There are such hardened scoundrels there, and they disdain ours. We get the benefit from this))). So the hell would they change something, everything suited them.

      Yes, there is still some groundwork from the USSR that does not allow us to slide down to the level of a third world country. We must grab onto this and try to climb up.
      1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
        Rashid116 (Rashid) 4 January 2021 09: 19
        0
        It seems that this is being done now. Here and there such infa slips. Too lazy to dig, but you have to go to work, but it seems like even modern super-duper rockets are the developments of those Soviet scientists. They were simply finished taking into account new technologies, but I don’t approve.