Nagorno-Karabakh showed a completely different level of warfare


The conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh between Armenia and Azerbaijan was considered frozen and did not attract much attention from the international community. But 26 years after the end of the first war, the disputed region showed a completely different level of warfare and attracted the attention of experts, writes the French newspaper Le Monde.


It was all over in 44 days. The offensive of Azerbaijani troops, which began on September 27, 2020, ended with the defeat of the Armenian forces and the signing of a trilateral agreement on November 9. Only the intervention of Moscow saved the Armenian enclave from completely passing under the control of Baku.

Before the incident, everyone was convinced that the Armenian army was more effective than the Azerbaijani one. However, Azerbaijan has prepared very well. Baku has amassed an impressive military arsenal. In addition, drones were purchased from Turkey and Israel. Moreover, Ankara also shared its experience with an ally.

It took very little time to force the experienced Armenian army to retreat. Israeli and Turkish drones have spread fear among the population and defenders of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The Armenians were unprepared for such a war. Azerbaijanis carried out reconnaissance from the air and launched strikes without hindrance.

Europe should carefully study the military lessons of this conflict, and not see it as a small war of poor countries

- says Gustav Gressel from the European Council on Foreign Relations.

He is sure that in the event of a conflict, most European countries will find themselves in the position of Armenians and they will be shot from the air without hindrance.

No one has ever done such destruction in one campaign

- clarified the expert Michel Goya, adding that it is time for the Western military to stop contemptuous of the "strange flying technology».

The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh marked the beginning of a new form of psychological warfare. Turkey sent mercenaries from Syria to the region, which caused concern among Armenians. A lot of photo and video materials of the killed soldiers have appeared on social networks. Often, the footage was sent directly to their relatives, summed up the publication from France.
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  1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 26 December 2020 18: 28
    +3
    Was the effectiveness of the Armenian army judged by the size of the American embassy in Yerevan?
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 26 December 2020 18: 39
    +1
    It is difficult to say what is true and what is not. But there is also such a view
    https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/geopolitics/2020/1127/180330520/detail.shtml
    1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 December 2020 18: 52
      +1
      Arrogance based on a sense of self-exclusiveness of artificially created territories ends the same. Latvian fishermen are already working in Russia, Ukraine is falling apart, Armenia without Karabakh ... the list will continue.
    2. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 26 December 2020 20: 41
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      Quote: Bakht
      It is difficult to say what is true and what is not.

      The lie in this text caught my eye:

      Quote: Bakht
      Turkey sent mercenaries from Syria to the region, which caused concern among Armenians.

      According to the data that I have, the situation is exactly the opposite - the Armenian diasporas delegated their representatives to the NKR military formations, and there was no massive participation of militants from Syria in Karabakh.
      1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 26 December 2020 20: 51
        +1
        Armenians and Israelis have a lot in common ...
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 26 December 2020 20: 55
          -1
          No more than representatives of any other people.
          1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 26 December 2020 21: 00
            +1
            Do not judge others by yourself.
  3. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 26 December 2020 19: 35
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    Not so much Azerbaijan, but Turkey has shown its capabilities and effectiveness of UAVs and other flying ammunition, thus opening a new era in weapons.
    1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 December 2020 19: 45
      +1
      They did not demonstrate anything new. As the Americans drove the outdated army of Iraq and Libya, so did Azerbaijan the Armenians. The United States has been turning hospitals and schools into dust for several years now.
    2. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 26 December 2020 20: 46
      -3
      But the Turks, with all due respect, are far from the leaders in unmanned aircraft. Imagine being able to make more advanced devices on the battlefield and behind enemy lines. This is where the source of the worst headache in the Russian Defense Ministry is. wink
      1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 26 December 2020 20: 49
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        The Russian army is not armed with lamb skewers ...
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 26 December 2020 20: 57
          -3
          As far as I can imagine, there is a lot of tension in the Russian army with lamb barbecue ...
          1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 26 December 2020 21: 00
            +1
            No more than the Israeli army.
    3. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 26 December 2020 22: 25
      +1
      ... thus opening a new era in weapons.

      This conflict rather showed that this "era" has now become available to almost everyone, only the ceiling for all these UAVs, depending on the advanced technologies and budgets of countries or organizations, differs slightly.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 December 2020 15: 34
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        Comment. Why is the beginning of the era of UAVs and other loitering ammunition - which was first used on a massive scale and was mainly won through them a full-scale WAR ... Previously, it was limited to use against bandit formations and individual targets ...
  4. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 26 December 2020 19: 48
    +1
    The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh first of all showed the political impotence of the European Union.
    1. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 26 December 2020 22: 27
      +1
      And also the multi-vector nature of Russian politics.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 27 December 2020 07: 00
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        And also the multi-vector nature of Russian politics.

        Rather, it is not a multi-vector approach, but mediation and peacekeeping. Russia was able to stay "above the battle" without taking one of the sides, which ultimately bore fruit. The conflict is over, in the sense that no hostilities are being conducted, Russia is in control of the situation.
        1. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter (Gleb) 28 December 2020 02: 14
          +1
          this is not a multi-vector

          It is a multi-vector approach.

          ... stay "above the fight" without taking one of the sides ..

          If Russia had taken the side of the odkabesh ally, there would have been no battle. The Turkish special forces would sit like a mouse under the rug, and with it all the rest. But the goal was different, the "Pashinyans" really wanted to let the yushka go and it was achieved. ...

          in the end, and bore fruit.

          Azerbaijanis and Turks are simply happy, the rest of the "fruits" are still ripening.

          Russia is in control of the situation.

          Azerbaijan is still an independent state and Russian "controllers" will stay there as long as they are useful. So, rather, he is watching the installation of state power in the regions. As soon as the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan establishes the regular work of its bodies, the observation will become just a formality, and then the term will expire.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 28 December 2020 08: 13
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            It is a multi-vector approach.

            Multi-vector is not multi-vector, how will we define it? I guess you shouldn't go into this jungle.

            If Russia had taken the side of the odkabesh ally, there would have been no battle. The Turkish special forces would sit like a mouse under the rug, and with it all the rest. But the goal was different, the "Pashinyans" really wanted to let the yushka go and it was achieved.

            And the "CSTO ally" has decided where is its side? If the goal of "Pashinyans" was to "let the yushka", do you propose to support them in this endeavor? In fact, not fall to Azerbaijan. To win back Karabakh for Armenia, despite the fact that she herself does not recognize it?

            Azerbaijan is still an independent state and Russian "controllers" will stay there as long as they are useful.

            Who benefits? They are not there to please Azerbaijan. The peacekeepers will be there until the moment when the Russian leadership decides to withdraw them from there. In vain you are so dismissive of the Russian military, these are not hired private security companies whom you can simply expel. Moldova and Georgia seem to be independent states too.

            So, rather, he is watching the installation of state power in the regions. As soon as the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan establishes the regular work of its bodies, the observation will become just a formality, and then the term will expire.

            Establish work where? In places of "compact residence of Armenians"? Are you kidding or kidding? As soon as the Azerbaijani security forces begin to enter there, caravans with refugees will be pulled back to Armenia.
            1. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter (Gleb) 28 December 2020 23: 09
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              They are not there to please Azerbaijan.

              They are there exclusively so that they do not hurt the locals very much, and Azerbaijan is already pleased.

              disparagingly about the Russian military, ..

              By no means, military people are forced, why should I speak disparagingly about them? I am sure they will perform their service, as always, properly. The political side of this businessman can be discussed.

              Are you kidding or kidding?

              What do you want to say that this is still not the territory of Azerbaijan and its laws will not work there? Then it was not worth all this "baidu" and venturing.

              refugee caravans pull back

              It will be later and on a "voluntary" basis and the title will be attached to them - settlers or migrants.
              On the territory of one country there should be a single legislation and power for all.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 29 December 2020 07: 43
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                They are there exclusively so that they do not hurt the locals very much, and Azerbaijan is already pleased.

                And what don't you like? Do you want the locals to be hurt or not nice to Azerbaijan?

                What do you want to say that this is still not the territory of Azerbaijan and its laws will not work there? Then it was not worth all this "baidu" and venturing.

                I want to say that peacekeepers, as a rule, are introduced with the consent of both sides. Establishing your jurisdiction "remotely" is somewhat difficult.
                And "baidu" probably really shouldn't have been started. The politicians could not agree, in fact, a lot of people died because of their ambitions.

                It will be later and on a "voluntary" basis and the title will be attached to them - settlers or migrants.

                That is, the Armenian side agrees to the withdrawal of the peacekeepers and the "settlers" leave? Why would they?

                On the territory of one country there should be a single legislation and power for all.

                Did you decide to start defending this principle from Azerbaijan, or look at Ukraine, Moldova and others? As less vivid examples of England, as far as I understand, Northern Ireland will be legally British, in fact in the EU. And they somehow have enough sense not to introduce troops there and to demand uniform legislation. Overseas there is one country with elderly presidents ..... so the legislation there is quite different from state to state, up to the presence or absence of the death penalty. And they live like that.
  5. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 26 December 2020 22: 40
    +1
    The fighting is over. The results are completely unexpected bully

    Armenian opposition proposed to create a union state with Russia
    https://vestikavkaza.ru/news/armanskaa-oppozicia-predlozila-sozdat-souznoe-gosudarstvo-s-rossiej.html
    1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 27 December 2020 07: 07
      +1
      the smallest, little-known and useless party "Alliance" made a statement ... they have two dozen other parties in opposition. And they clarified about the union state. Armenia remains independent, and Russia protects Armenia ... Let them jump again laughing
  6. marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 27 December 2020 02: 20
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    What a new level !!! ??? Children and adults at least 25 years old play shooting games on virtual flying machines, they fly, tanks, ships surf the Internet and you naive think this is a game !? They were originally created for the military and those Americans who played tanks 25 years ago are already teaching somewhere how to operate drones !!!! And you have noticed the current and are discussing, though smart !!!!