After Kernes's death, pro-Russian forces began to rise in Kharkov


The notorious "Kharkov partisans" who did not show themselves in any way in 2014-2015, limiting themselves to threats and ultimatums


After the death of Kharkiv mayor Gennady Kernes, according to some ukropatriots, “pro-Russian forces have become more active” - the deputy secretary of the NSDC of Ukraine, ex-deputy commander of the Special Operations Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, General Serhiy Krivonos, said in an interview with the Internet channel Apostrof.

Krivonos promised the Ukrainians to maintain control over Kharkiv and prevent the growth of pro-Russian sentiments, and also assured that there are enough forces for this. In his opinion, the “pro-Ukrainian layer” of the city is concerned about the emerging situation.

I say yes, the state will be able to defend the city unequivocally - they held Kharkiv in the 14th year, we will hold them directly in the 20th and 21st

- noted Sergey Krivonos.

Meanwhile, the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine is not limited to only defensive rhetoric. In an interview with the Kiev newspaper Observer, he complained about Ukraine's weakness in comparison with Russia, comparing his country to a hare, and the Russian Federation to a bear, and said that Kiev needs a spear to “kill a Russian bear”. In his opinion, Russia, feeling the weakness of its western neighbor, will not yield to Ukraine in the same way that a hare will not be able to persuade a bear.

We are weaker than that bear. Therefore, we need to have a spear with which we can either stab this bear, or keep it at a distance.

- noticed Krivonos.

This passage of the Ukrainian military attracted the attention of the Russian media. Correspondents "Komsomolskaya Pravda" note that Moscow will never go to the occupation of Donetsk and Lugansk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukraine in the near future will not become stronger than Russia, just as a hare cannot grow to the size of a bear. But the Ukrainian hare probably considers himself a bear inside, but the main thing here is not to look in the mirror.

And it is desirable that a real bear does not come and put things in order in the forest. But in this case, there is no need to expect any progress from Ukraine towards peace. And hope not

- concludes "KP".
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  1. Vadim Ananyin Offline Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin (Vadim Ananyin) 18 December 2020 15: 32
    +2
    Pompously the people of Kiev are struggling, Kernes has merged everyone. Now, apparently, Kiev does not know who to rely on there, of course there is enough Judas, but everyone will want to take risks. So the nerves are losing.
  2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 15: 42
    -8
    At 14m, Hepa and Dopa flew to Zurich, to BeNe.
    He said: Sha, boys!
    Returning to Kharkov, Hepa repeated, Zhilina with the Stronghold: Sha, potsy!
    And Kharkov remained Ukrainian.
    Then Zhilin wanted a piece of the pie and demanded to replay.
    Kharkiv residents expressed dissatisfaction and fed Zhilin with lead in a cafe near Moscow ...
    And now, observing the realities of life in Coal Switzerland, few people want to rewind the film back.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 20 December 2020 09: 41
      +2
      And now, observing the realities of life in Coal Switzerland, few people want to rewind the film back.

      I suppose the inhabitants of Coal Switzerland do not hurt so that they rush back to Agrarian Honduras because everything is there through the "tape back". What are you unwinding or winding up bothers them less and less.
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 22: 37
        0
        Live in the Free Republics?
        How is it on New Years, will the curfew be canceled?
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 21 December 2020 01: 47
          +1
          Live in the Free Republics?
          How is it on New Years, will the curfew be canceled?

          In free yes In Siberia. We do not observe any curmudgeon.
          What do you care about this? All the same, you will not have money for nightlife, and if there are more communal apartments they will raise. so it doesn't matter if you have a "quiet hour" or not. In general, it should be canceled. Probably for this to repeat Debaltsevo is required.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 11: 39
      +1
      And the inhabitants of Coal Switzerland do not want to go back to Banderai at all.
      This has long been understood on the main Ukrainian channels. In the past six months, it has become fashionable there to ask the opinion of the inhabitants of the LPNR: what should Ukraine do to make the Donbass want back? In response they hear: nothing, leave us alone, we will not return back.
      And those in the studio who have doubts are reassured by the people sitting in the same studio from there: “Calm down, children have gone to school there, for whom the word Ukraine is associated only with the enemy, war. Nobody will return.” And in the conversation it turns out that life in the LPNR is already, at least, no worse than in / on.
      And soon the Ukrainians will want to rewind somewhere in Kenya, Honduras ...
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 22: 39
        0
        That's completely uninteresting what you want there, in Coal Switzerland.
        Look further, "Ukrainian channels". They will wish you everything and more.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 22: 51
          0
          What are the quotes for? Channels Nash, 112 Ukrainian. Such broadcasts are actually carried out.

          That's completely uninteresting what you want there, in Coal Switzerland.

          And in Coal Switzerland it is not interesting at all, you want to.
          The number of Russian passports is growing. At Putin's press conference, Ukraine and the LPR are already on an equal footing (for now). Roma Dill was present (as always), but he was not given the floor (for the first time). LDNR also did not give a stoow, but they were present (for the first time).
          So, one sad day the drunken (or chipped) APUs will once again cover the peace, kill a peaceful person through and through, and he turns out to be a citizen of Russia. A surprise! And the Russian Federation will start asking unpleasant questions. And to the answer, like, our territory, we kill whoever we want, what your citizen is doing there, the answer will follow: not your dog's business, what is he doing there, why was he killed. Then, at least, the recognition of independence, possibly within the boundaries where the independence referendum was held. The situation is changing rapidly.
          1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
            ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 33
            +1
            Therefore, the quotes. winked No one is deceived by the name "strana.ua", for example.
            So are the named "channels". Does the fact that they are Medvedchukov's? I don't care, I threw away the TV twenty years ago ...
            It doesn't matter how many passports there are. (I think 180 thousand? Of 2,5 million?) Border guards in parallel, how many to deport. But you have to. Citizens of the Russian Federation can be, pomnitsa, 90 through 180?
            And Vladimir Vladimirovich does not get tired of reminding you that Donbass is Ukraine ...
            We, soberly, repeatedly covered those who later turned out to be a citizen of the Russian Federation. A couple of times, even the carcasses were given away - to bury them ourselves.
            And what? CHO, I'm asking ?!
            A nicho. They took him away, buried him. Maybe they dug in there.
            In vain you are trying to scare. Pule, monopenisual, as described in the passport book.
            You go there, go for it, take it, chtol yourself this is a misunderstanding. And then only threaten for six years.
          2. Kazbek Offline Kazbek
            Kazbek (kazbek) 29 December 2020 21: 11
            +1
            Recognition of independence is possible within the boundaries where the independence referendum was held. Your words to God in the ears. But my opinion is that this situation will continue for a very long time. The situation of destabilization in Ukraine is beneficial for Moscow. So far, this is only the LDNR. When Kiev resigns itself to the loss of the territory of the LPNR, the next step will be. The question will be raised about those territories where the referendum was held. And this is a new destabilization. Then the question of Odessa. I. T. D. The main thing is not to relax there.
  3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 December 2020 16: 06
    +4
    Gennady Kernes was treated at the Charite clinic in Berlin, but German doctors never managed to save the mayor of Kharkiv from complications after COVID-19.

    reported by the Interfax agency

    And Medvedchuk, who was vaccinated with the Russian Sputnik-V vaccine, feels great.
    Is it better to follow his example?
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 16: 28
      -6
      Are you sure the Sputnik?
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 18 December 2020 17: 47
        0
        No, "Bread Tear" ...
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    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 19 December 2020 21: 09
      +1
      Late, Vladimir, late - the deceased has nothing to do with vaccinations.
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 18 December 2020 16: 53
    .
    And it is desirable that a real bear does not come and put things in order in the forest.

    It is very desirable, because no one wants it to be like in Donbass, where the bear put his paw to restore order.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 18 December 2020 17: 47
      +5
      I want to. And so it will be. Amen.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 18 December 2020 18: 15
        -8
        Eh, you do not like Kharkiv citizens. In Donbass, half of the population has fled, the other half live in the best traditions of the 90s, and you want it to be repeated in Kharkov as well.
        1. asr55 Offline asr55
          asr55 (asr) 19 December 2020 17: 38
          +1
          In Russia, everyone is exactly up to the Kharkiv and Kiev residents, but the attitude is not bad. You have already gotten us with your snot and whining, everyone is to blame around you, except yourself.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 19 December 2020 20: 37
            -1
            I now live in Russia, in St. Petersburg, if here in the Russian Federation you are "gotten with your snot and whining", no one is holding you, you can find a more suitable country.
    2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 17: 51
      -6
      Right, showcase?
    3. polev66 Offline polev66
      polev66 (Alexander) 19 December 2020 08: 52
      +2
      It was 6 years since the Raguli were looking for Russian soldiers, but they found themselves, Zigovans
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 11: 40
        0
        Soon 7 already.
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    5. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 20 December 2020 09: 44
      +1
      It is very desirable, because no one wants it to be like in Donbass, where the bear put his paw to restore order.

      If the pigs hadn't put their penny there, the bear wouldn't have had to put its paw.
      1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
        alexneg13 (Alexander) 20 December 2020 21: 27
        0
        If the rabbits have a spear, then it will match this rabbit and the bear will take it away to stick this rabbit into a soft place.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 21 December 2020 01: 41
          +1
          If the rabbits have a spear, then it will match this rabbit and the bear will take it away to stick this rabbit into a soft place.

          There is no need to give them any spears, matches are not toys for children.
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  5. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 18 December 2020 17: 09
    -3
    In a residential area snickering, next to the Moscow Ring Road there is a bus station, a path to the city and to the right. Three pharmacies, so I visit this street. I stand at the bus stop, waiting for the bus home. Luxurious buses with German inscriptions on the sides, zhovto-blakitnye plaques, the numbers of the regions are very different ...
  6. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 18 December 2020 19: 51
    +9
    Bandera's Kernes will burn in hell, and the UKROPs will still have to flee from Kharkiv, which is surrounded on 3 sides by the territory of the Russian Federation and historically is not Ukraine.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 20: 29
      -8
      Do Jews have hell? belay
      Dill will not have to run, who will leave their homeland? tongue
      It is surrounded on both sides. This is the Russian Federation, surrounded by enemies on all sides.
      Kharkov was Slobozhanshchina long before Peter coined the word Russia.
      And large settlements of people, there were long before, among the swamps and hills, the Kiev prince laid the foundation for a military fortress.
      1. bear040 Offline bear040
        bear040 18 December 2020 20: 30
        +6
        The Bandera supporters definitely have it, and Kernes, who went to six Tyagneboks, who called to kill both Russians and Jews, is just a cheap six, without a flag, homeland and nation!
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 20: 43
          -3
          The Bandera members certainly do not have Kernes.
          Or are you talking about something else?
          Ah-ah, I got it! Hell!
          I will correct. The Slavs did not have hell. Everybody gets to the virai, hell was invented by the priests, the Chernorians.
          1. bear040 Offline bear040
            bear040 18 December 2020 20: 45
            +6
            Whether he is or not, you will find out in due time and there you will be waiting for the rootless Bandera Kernes. By the way, Dillies are not Slavs, they are a cross between Khazars, Romanians and all other invaders whom Dill greeted with flowers while Russia was at war with them
            1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
              ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 21: 08
              -3
              Russia, fought with the Khazars? belay
              And the Romanians? wassat
              And the rosichi, glade, sivertsy, dulibs, catch, who is it?
              Finns or Ugrians? request
              1. bear040 Offline bear040
                bear040 18 December 2020 21: 10
                +8
                Well, in the Finno-Ugrians you wrote down the Russians. Finns, these are Finns, and Ugrians, these are Hungarians, so in general it is not a shame ... But you yourself are a cross between nothing and nothing. Remind you who is your rootless Bandera Tymoshenko by nationality, or is he aware of it ?!
                1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                  ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 21: 18
                  -2
                  Did I write it down? belay God free.
                  These are the British uchons! repeat
                  A cross between nothing, it can't grow to 50 million, right?
                  Remind me where the homeland of the Ugrians, where did they come to Geyropu, not so long ago? Your ancestors, your ... yes
                  Are you there a qualifier, rootless or by nationality?
                  A counter question: who is your nationality Matvienko, Valka-Polstakana?
                  1. bear040 Offline bear040
                    bear040 18 December 2020 21: 22
                    +6
                    Why not. Donkeys, for example, also breed well, and they do not trumpet diplomas of universities for this. By the way, it was under the USSR and at the expense of the USSR that you multiplied, and now you are dying out and scattering to foreign countries, in search of a bowl of soup, so that in Nezalezhnaya you have long been not 50, but a maximum of 35 million, and then not for long.
                    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                      ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 21: 45
                      -6
                      Off the topic? wink
                      We were fruitful, not long before the USSR, but even before Muscovy. Did not know? Russia was quite well populated at the turn of the millennium. Do not trust?
                      Read about the excavations in Kiev and, accordingly, Moscow.
                      Of course we are dying out!
                      Cities are empty, planes do not fly, so very soon you will come and take empty houses ... bully
                      We run, of course, we run! My children were so amazed that the refrigerator was half-covered with magnets from the cities and countries they visited, and this is not Uryupinsk ...
                      But they live at home.
                      One of these days, I'll run to Warsaw, for a couple of days, but I'll be back? Count how many Russians have applied for an American visa this year.
                      Yes, probably not even 35, but only 34 million. You're right. I'll go get a bowl of soup. With bullfinches ...,
                      1. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 18 December 2020 21: 51
                        +7
                        You are not Rus, you are not! There is no Kievan Rus since the 13th century, in the same 13th century Kiev became a Polish Catholic village with only 200 households, and the Metropolitan of Kiev, due to the persecution of Orthodoxy in Poland in the same 13th century, left Kiev forever for Vladimir, and from it to Moscow and Kiev never returned ... And you pay attention, who is leaving the Russian Federation. This is the same nerus like you, so the more you are dumped from the Russian Federation, the better and it won't hurt, then they are waiting for you in the United States, there will not be 500 thousand of all immigrants from the former USSR. They are waiting for you only in Canada, but jobs there are only in lumbering and in the fishing fleet, so for now, choose your vacancy ... Someone in Ukraine and not Gelika rides like your drunk pastry chef in the smoke, or Benya Kalamosky, but you are a minority, and most of us stand on Leningradka, without pants, or in Poland they pick apples and wash sarters ..
                      2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                        ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 22: 43
                        -1
                        How is it, we are not? belay
                        I look in the mirror - I am. Outside the window Kiev, too ...
                        And so that Russia moved somewhere, from the Pechersk Hills, so no one heard ...
                    2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 19 December 2020 11: 07
                      +4
                      What kind of Russia are you ???
                      They refused from the Russian language, from Orthodoxy too (Turkish, Uniate church), got a master because of a puddle ..
                      No really! Get out more beautifully with tripilians, chi with Sumerians.
                    3. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                      ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 22: 49
                      -1
                      The Russian language was brought to Russia under Peter.
                      Native, banned and eradicated mercilessly (Valuevsky treatise, for example).
                      Church, Byzantine. Baptism, Russia received from the Second Rome, becoming the Third Rome.
                      Until the Fourth Rome, there were three hundred years ...
                      Then Moscow accepted the cross, christening itself arbitrarily and without the consent of Constantinople, and a couple of hundred years later, nourished Nikon. Who broke and perverted the old faith, burned old books, twisted new ones
                      Turkish, Uniate?,. bully
                    4. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 21 December 2020 04: 41
                      +1
                      Tell me more about the construction of the pyramids, and how the Cossack Kolumbenko discovered America ..
                      Otherwise, I will not be imbued with, and I will not be able to consider the proto-ukras as the most ancient people.
                2. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 11: 00
                  +3
                  There were 1992 million of you in 52. Already a couple of years ago, experts in bread sales calculated that 25 million of you live permanently, and I heard the same figure on the air of Rabinovich.
                  Just the other day, the chairman of the audit committee of the "Union of Bakers of Ukraine", on the dynamics of flour production, came to the conclusion that 23 million people live in Ukraine.
                  And the population does not want to conduct a census.

                  Read about the excavations in Kiev and, accordingly, Moscow.

                  What does this prove? Moscow is not the oldest city in Russia. There were Vladimir, Suzdal, Kostroma, Yaroslavl, Novgorod.
                  But people with haplogroup R1a lived here already 4-5 thousand years ago. For example, Fatyanovskaya culture (Oka, upper and middle Volga).
                  By the way, the term "Kievan Rus" is not found in the annals. This is a late invention.
                3. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                  ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 22: 52
                  -2
                  You can also count on bicycle sales. bully
                  So what? In China, for example, forty years ago, the number of Veliks correlated with the population. That way one kdvum. A couple hundred million, statistical error ... laughing
                4. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 38
                  +1
                  This is not my idea. Ukrainian official. And it sounded. Nobody filed a lawsuit.
                  And you are not competent enough to argue with him.
                5. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                  ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 50
                  -2
                  This, you have come up with. laughing
                  There is no such union, this time.
                  Even if there were, then the chairman of the audit council of the LLC, an official is only for the Tax. Fuchs. bully
                  It is incorrect to count the population by bread. For example, I eat a lot of it, for two, but I know a lot of people who do not eat at all.
                  By the way, in the article, where the method of bread calculation was written, it was considered that according to it, the population of the Russian Federation was no more than 85 million.
                  Whom to believe? winked
                  Nobody filed a lawsuit, because there is no need.
                6. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 00: 08
                  0
                  https://www.apk-inform.com/ru/exclusive/topic/1505551
                7. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                  ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 01: 06
                  -1
                  Is the source Russian? What does the bakers of Ukraine have to do with it?
        2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 22: 56
          -1
          I wonder in what documents, the above villages ranked themselves as Rus?
          After 1600 do not offer. The development of the printing business then reached an unprecedented scale. bully
          And the desire to cling to someone else's history has become unbearable laughing .
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        4. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 01: 05
          -1
          They shout in Russian "Busy!" .....
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 20 December 2020 10: 01
    +2
    A cross between nothing, it can't grow to 50 million, right?

    Where have you counted so many? Why not 100 500? belay Well if you count 35, and even then if the workers return. By the way, not all of them fit the definition of an "expanded ethnic group." According to the 1989 census, there were 44 million in the entire USSR. laughing
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 22: 53
      -1
      In the early thirties, there were 80 million.
      The numbers are in the public domain.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 37
        0
        On Wiki: population of Ukraine
        1930 29
      2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 38
        -1
        Was Vick invented in the 1930s? belay
      3. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 39
        0
        Do you yourself understand what you wrote?
      4. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 01: 03
        -1
        Why are you jabbing at me a figure from a rukivik, which Russians themselves call a trash heap?
        The web is full of newspaper scans, with the results of censuses of old. And knowing the name of the other, I can go to the library and see the original.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 21 December 2020 01: 50
    +1
    In the early thirties, there were 80 million.
    The numbers are in the public domain.

    In the astral? Again, a bad question arises, how do you manage to "dry out" like that? Moreover, regardless of the government and the regime.
  • ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 11: 47
    -2
    The shrinkage was ensured by the co-power.
    The figures are only official losses, from 41 to 45, remind?
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 21 December 2020 11: 54
    +1
    The shrinkage was ensured by the co-power.
    The figures are only official losses, from 41 to 45, remind?

    As usual, someone else is to blame. laughing In the 41st Soviet power attacked?
    Has everything changed radically since 91? Remind the numbers? smile
  • ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 12: 11
    -1
    Not as usual.
    But, "to the envy of all the bourgeoisie, we will fan the world fire", this is not the Central Council.
    Let me remind you that imperial, conquest plans have never been demonstrated by Ukraine, since the creation of Rus,
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 21 December 2020 13: 12
    +1
    Not as usual.
    But, "to the envy of all the bourgeoisie, we will fan the world fire", this is not the Central Council.
    Let me remind you that imperial, conquest plans have never been demonstrated by Ukraine, since the creation of Rus

    So the Bolsheviks did not attack in 41? What kind of aggressive plans are there? laughing Now under the Turks, then under the Poles, then under the Hungarians.
  • ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 01: 19
    -1
    In the USSR, there were 280 million.
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 14
    +1
    So are you a racist? Don't like people with haplogroup N1c1? When you are in Finland, do not forget to pick up a poster that you consider them subhuman. I think they will appreciate it.
    Here are the three dominant haplogroups of Russians and Ukrainians:

    Russia R1a 47% N1c1 20% I2a 10,5%
    Ukraine R1a 43% I2a 21% N1c1 6%

    Among the Ukrainians, there are also Ugrophins, but smaller, the haplogroup of the conditional "South Slavs" I2a is larger, the basic R1a is smaller.
    The difference is small.
    And only an evil, stupid idiot can poke people in the face with an "inferior" haplogroup.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 19
      -2
      And what, "Russians", is this a race?
      Surely the highest ... wink
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 43
        +1
        And I meant the Finno-Ugric.
        You, as that, abruptly begin to slide off the topic when there is nothing to cover.
      2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 56
        -1
        And which of them is a race? Ugrians or Finns? wassat ,
        On the map of Ukraine, just in my places, there is a flag with a haplogroup (mine), and next to it is the most common surname in those places. Also mine.
        That's just,
        I trust unbiased anthropologists more. And they clearly and clearly expressed themselves about the "Russian" Slavs.
        Unprintable, really.
      3. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 00: 01
        +1
        That alignment of haplogroups is well known and generally accepted. It's pointless to argue.
        R1a haplogroup "Aryan" basic. The rest - depending on the neighbors.
        But what attracts you to the term race? N1c1 - speakers of Finno-Ugric languages ​​(mostly). You declare them inferior. Including the Finns.
        Swallow and calm down.
      4. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 01: 00
        -2
        No.
        Inadequate as long as a nation is declared, not a race.
        Specifically, the Ukrainians.
        It is those who consider themselves so-called. "Russians".
        I just dot the i's.
        By the way ...
        Do not remind me, over which letter do the Russians dot ?, laughing
        And I also remember well the results of the studies of Russian geneticists, which perfectly correlate with the conclusions of anthropologists, who clearly indicated that the so-called. Russians are not Slavs.
        I don't care, but why lie?
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  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 20 December 2020 09: 51
    +2
    Dill will not have to run, who will leave their homeland?

    What is the old tradition in caches? Could you please tell me where did the diaspora come from in Canada? Or are they renegades and traitors who have abandoned their homeland? Did I understand you correctly? smile

    Kharkov was Slobozhanshchina long before Peter coined the word Russia.

    If I am not mistaken, I have already given you the source. The country was called Russia even during the time of Father Peter. In my opinion, you made a mistake with the site, Fomenko with Nosovsky and similar alternatives are not held in high esteem here.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 04
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      Synonyms, this is the west.
      My ancestors in Slobozhanshchina lived in adobe huts. Around Kharkov, many settlements have been excavated. They did not live in dugouts and tree hollows like reindeer.
      The main part of the Ukrainian diaspora in Canada was formed at the beginning of the 20th century, as is well known. Not for you, of course.
      They do not lose ties with the Motherland. They help, very much.
      For example, in the Odessa hospital (this is next to the House of Trade Unions), I was operated on by Canadian plastic surgeons (one of the top ten) from the Sixth Canadian Mission.
      If you follow your logic, all the "Russians" inhabiting Siberia and the Far East are traitors and renegades. laughing
      You are wrong. It was Peter who suggested the idea of ​​changing the name, so that from the kingdom to become an empire.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 29
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        ... to turn from a kingdom to an empire.

        Our country has been called an empire since at least the 15th century. On old maps, on cartouches, the image of the sovereign with the signatures IOANNES BASILEUS, Imperator Russie, Dux Moscouie.
        And the work of the well-known Jacob Margeret is called Estat de l'Empire de Russie et Grand Duché de Moscovie avec ce que s'y est passé de plus memorable et tragique, pendant le règne de quatre Empereurs: à sçavoir depuis l'an 1590 jusques en l'an 1606 en septembre ".
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 43
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          John Basileus himself, called himself the Emperor? In the office. Documents called Muscovy the Empire?
          Since the word Russia appeared that way at the end of 17, where and when was the expression "Moscow Empire"?
          Harsh, huh? Me too... ))),
          Lubricate the owl, please.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 56
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            You can see the name of Margeret's work on the Wiki.
            1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
              ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 00: 09
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              A. Viki.ru, I do not trust at all.
              B. Margeret, mercenary. Sold
              The opinion of him, in the West, is about the same as about Marco Polo.
              Of. Will you show me the documents? Where is it written that the empire is Moscow? Somewhere, in Russian sources, does this phrase occur?
              Okay, I'll have pity. In those days, regalia was treated very strictly. I will not tell you by what criteria, the state received the right to be called an empire, not a kingdom. This was strictly followed. Remind me of how the queen refused to marry Vanka 4? Inappropriate because., Misalliance.
              Finally, grease the owl.
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 00: 13
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                Should I give you the original? Don't you want a lot?
                You carry a blizzard without bothering at all with any justifications.
                I'm tired of you. I go to bed.
                1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                  ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 00: 53
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                  Yes, to akuyu prose, at least. Prince of Silver, Stepan Razin Zlobin, I adore Black People, half of the shelf is filled ...
                  Peter the first, I adore Tolstoy, evil satire
                  Nowhere. Nowhere, Karl! Nobody calls Muscovy an Empire.
                  Congratulations, citizen, you lied. lol

                  Hush, Little Baby, Do not Say a Word.
                  Does not lie on the edge.
                  A gray top will come.
                  And, bite the barrel!

                  I can't sleep by the wall!
                  Knees rest!
                  I better lie on the edge ... bully


                  I'll go download the Bremenskys, in the rock version ... drinks
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 10: 18
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    This is the Russian Federation, surrounded by enemies on all sides.

    When was it different? Someone always wants to either take a piece from us, or take everything away.
    We are used to it. We can handle it.

    And large settlements of people, there were long before, among the swamps and hills, the Kiev prince laid the foundation for a military fortress.

    That is, Kiev did not exist yet, but the prince was already Kiev ...
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 09
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      Always!
      You were not there yet, but the enemies were already there.
      And they will.
      Tear a piece from you, everyone dreams. Leave everything and move to the Land of Wooden Closets. For life ... repeat
      Cope. Themselves. Don't wait for us.

      The serf was simply called Bad Water.
      In the Aboriginal language, Moscow ...,
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 31
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        I wrote, we'll handle it. Without you. But even then, when you put your teeth on the shelf, no one will take you back.
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 52
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          So I'm talking about, inquire.
          Without us!
          We will definitely put. Are they gold though?
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 53
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            Are they gold though?

            Himmler's laurels keep him awake?
            1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
              ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 58
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              No, I'm not on the party line.
              Or do you impersonate something else?
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 23: 50
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        The serf was simply called Bad Water.

        What language?
        Either "swampy", Either "Bear" or "Cow".
        Any version suits me.
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 00: 02
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          And the devil knows him. I am not trained in the forest language, I believe the aborigines at their word ...
          By the way, oftopan. I served, like in the eighties, in Vladimirskaya, for a term. And there was one guy who stubbornly called himself not Russian, but Erzyan. Even a zyryanin. He claimed that the Russians were living recently. He spoke a little in his native language. Respected ....
  • Sergey Semenov Offline Sergey Semenov
    Sergey Semenov (Sergey Semenov) 20 December 2020 07: 38
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    Banderovets Kernes

    Sur, however. A Jew and he's a Bendera.
    Although, what's wrong with that. The same Zelensky in the face is also not quite Russian, and the holidays of various UPA and so on were adopted by law. Not even a joke. Just business (on blood)
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  • Glenni Offline Glenni
    Glenni (Andrei) 18 December 2020 22: 03
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    Dreaming!
  • volhcovcepgei Offline volhcovcepgei
    volhcovcepgei (Cepgei Volhcov) 19 December 2020 11: 27
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    Ukraine itself got into the skin of a hare. The question is not who will go to Ukraine, but in Ukraine itself, she needs to deal with her Wishlist. Once upon a time migrated from Ukraine, basically Polish migrants, these lands were already seized, then liberated and a happy thing developed. The inhabitants of these lands suddenly became supporters of their lords. After all, those of course ran away, but their slaves remained. Yes, there is a logical explanation for this, collectivization. This is a blessing, Stalin turned into its semblance, but it was all over Russia, and people in the localities carried out the ideas of the leader of the peoples and this caused a protest. But in the west of Ukraine (in other border areas the same thing), propaganda from the former invaders of these lands intervened. It is important that in many there is a worm, one day to become a master personally. But of course, we are not talking about the benefit for everyone. On the lands of Ukraine, many want to be freed from the yoke, but why someone, and not the inhabitants themselves. Now in these parts of the order of simple thieves' gatherings, many came from the same Canada, where the traitors moved, and not only from these places. There is a group of nationalists, there are Nazis, and criminal elements have joined them. The people need to decide on this category of people who live side by side and consider themselves heroes. Now, along with murders at the state level, they are driven to war or persuaded to do it for money, ordinary domestic murders go. Added a seasonal illness, which the population is unable to fight. The true number of the dead is still hidden. They only voice those who went to kill civilians and even those who were killed by Nazi criminals. The war in Chechnya could still go on if the Chechens themselves did not close their borders and did not decide on their fighters. Yes, the role of Kadyrov is not appreciated, his work was continued by his son, but it was the people who listened to their aksakal, put his son over themselves. The people made a choice, and their heroes did not oppose their own people, but against evil from abroad. Kadyrov's predecessor betrayed not only the people, severed their ties with Russia, he betrayed his homeland, opening the border for the gangs led by the United States. Yes, Russian troops will easily close the border, but inside the country, the inhabitants themselves must establish order. And we are not talking about sympathy, about the supply of food, many hid their relatives, it was necessary to decide what was evil, what was good. The amnesty was applied to persons by law, and it was necessary to decide whether these actions were included in the law of this country. Ukraine must decide what to do with its Nazis, what is the role of nationalists, on what basis they want to build their well-being, and this is an individual or a country. The well-being of Ukraine is the entire Russian people or Rusichi, and within it there is one principality. After all, the transfer of the place of the principality as the center of the Russians (then this unifying concept appeared) was a necessity and in opposition to the influence of the Horde army. I decided on my origin, who are you Polish slaves or Rusichi, your principality with Russia or Europe, for which you are commoners, foreigners are not citizens. In many Russian cities, the Nazis began to feel uncomfortable, but this is not enough, they must become outcasts, like you are now.
  • ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 19 December 2020 12: 00
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    Too lazy to answer three raids, from above.
    You would, at least read Soviet history textbooks, tunnels ... there and that, not so neglected ...
    The photo in the article is valid.
    Clowns?
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 20 December 2020 11: 16
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    ... comparing their country to a hare, and the Russian Federation to a bear, and said that Kiev needed to have a spear in order to "kill a Russian bear."

    Krivonos is not at all friendly with his head.
    He, in general, visualizes what a hare is and what a spear is (a short thick spear with which they go to a bear? A hare is 2 - 3 times lighter than a spear. Not to mention the size. What will he do with it?
    Ukraine should adopt such a coat of arms: a hare with a spear in natural proportions. That will be a laugh ...
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 20 December 2020 23: 20
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      Misinterpreted the interview ... we didn't even cope with the translation ...
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  • Patrick Offline Patrick
    Patrick (Patrick) 26 December 2020 15: 30
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    Quote: bear040
    Bandera's Kernes will burn in hell, and the UKROPs will still have to flee from Kharkiv, which is surrounded on 3 sides by the territory of the Russian Federation and historically is not Ukraine.

    Kernes "Bandera" ??? What are you? I've never heard that! This is something new! From Kernes, Bandera is like a Muslim from the Chukchi! In fact, Kernes, on the contrary, is a pro-Russian politician and his electorate, which supports him, these are pro-Russian soviet grandmothers and aunts of Kharkov! Kernes in every possible way defended the Kharkov monument to Lenin from demolition and expressed angry statements after the demolition of the Lenin monument in Kharkov, and because of this, he then went into a fierce rage! Kernes in every possible way defended the monument to Marshal Zhukov from demolition and re-installed it after it was demolished! Kernes many times expressed his angry statements about Ukrainian nationalists, the Right Sector, Kharkov activists of the VO "Svoboda", Bandera and Bandera! Ukrainian nationalists of Kharkiv, Kharkiv Right Sector and Kharkiv activists of VO "Svoboda" hated and hate Kernes! There are numerous videos on YouTube where Kernes laid flowers on the monuments to the fallen veterans of the Great Patriotic War on May 9 and embraced his electorate with pro-Russian grandmothers and aunts of Kharkov! It was from the lips of Kernes in 2014 and 2015 that angry exclamations were constantly heard: "Bandera scum", "Bandera's bastards will not pass in Kharkov", "we will not allow Bandera and nationalists to rampage in Kharkov," and activists of the Kharkov Right Sector shouted slogans in response to him : "Gepu on the bunk", "Gepu on the count", "Gepu on lustration", "Kernes - suitcase, station, Russia", "Kernes retired" and much more!