"Su-57 at minimum salaries": Military Watch spoke about the future competitor of the F-35 from Russia


The Russians are working on a new generation single-engine fighter that will compete with the F-35, writes the American Military Watch.


A new class of aircraft is being developed. They will complement the heavy Su-57 and the future high-altitude interceptor MiG-41. In fact, it will be "Su-57 at minimum wages", i.e. option in the "light version". It will have one “Product 30” aircraft engine - a fifth or even sixth generation power unit. The Russians claim that it will be significantly more powerful than the American F135, installed on the "invisible" F-35. "Product 30" is just one of the developments designed to accelerate the transition of the Su-57 to the level of sixth generation aviation.

The new aircraft is likely to be the first single-engine fighter produced by Russia after the USSR stopped producing the third generation MiG-21BiS, MiG-23 and MiG-27 aircraft in the 1980s. If it is confirmed that the Su-57 and its new lightweight counterpart will use the Product 30, this will allow for large-scale and more profitable production of these aircraft engines. Using sensors of the same type, of technologies and systems on two aircraft will also help reduce development costs and reduce the cost of final products.

The Su-57 can carry 10 air-to-air missiles in its internal compartments, and its future lightweight counterpart is likely to be limited to six or fewer missiles. But the single-engine fighter will replace obsolete heavy aircraft such as the Su-27 and Su-30. It will have much lower operating costs and maintenance requirements. At the same time, it will significantly surpass them in many of its capabilities.

The head of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, said that such an aircraft has significant export potential. He confirmed the development of the new fighter, specifying that "the company is working on the concept and operational requirements for such a platform on its own initiative, without the involvement of federal funds."

Russia will be able to get a single-engine fighter. It will become the world's first sixth generation aircraft of its kind. Perhaps in cheaper export options, its category will be downgraded to the fifth generation. If Rostec invests its own money, then it clearly sees the future and is confident in success. All countries that operate MiG and Sukhoi products can be safely listed among potential customers.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 December 2020 11: 36
    -1
    Rostec ... Chemizov ... 6th generation straight away ...
    Military Watch successfully knocks money out of Congress
  2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 11: 49
    -7
    Considering how many years the 57th was built, and with what groaning and squelching the pubs30 is born, you understand that it will not become a competitor to the 35th - it will grow old and crumble to dust.
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 15 December 2020 14: 01
      +3
      There is no need to write these ridiculous nonsense here, how many the Americans are already sawing, and so far without much success, their Fu-35, and how much they saw Raptors before, especially since the development of a light fighter with one engine will take much less time than his it took for the Su-57 !!!
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 14: 04
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        Of course, nonsense.
        Of course, the Americans are sawing. I do not argue.
        Only, from under their saw, half a thousand raw penguins came out, and from under Rostekhov, only sawdust. Well, and the oil is much ... for the sawmill operator .. winked .
  3. Herman 4223 Offline Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 (Alexander) 15 December 2020 14: 02
    +1
    Maybe a moment-35 in series? It's faster this way.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 14: 49
      -3
      They won't. Intraspecific graters per pie. Sukhovites are stronger.
  4. Binder Online Binder
    Binder (Miron) 15 December 2020 18: 37
    -3
    Everything in the future tense - Russia does not have a fifth generation fighter, and God only knows when it will appear as a real combat vehicle, and craftsmen from Rostec are already telling tales about the upcoming sixth generation fighter. lol
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 15 December 2020 21: 45
      +5
      Everything is in the future tense - Russia does not have a fifth generation fighter and God only knows when it will appear as a real combat vehicle, and craftsmen from Rostec are already telling tales about the upcoming sixth generation fighter

      Let's wait two weeks, I hope the first 1-2 serials will appear. By the way, when will you have your own? smile And then what is the "non-brothers" remind, they also like to compare with foreign countries, modestly silent about themselves.
      Slowly and squeakily, maybe, but the aerospace business moves with the relentlessness of a steamroller. Yesterday the Angara flew, today, for example, the PD-14 was tested in the air. Surely you will be glad for the Russian aircraft manufacturers laughing

      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 15 December 2020 22: 40
        -4
        Quote: 123
        When will you have your own?

        And we have our own - the F-35 was created and is being improved with the active participation of the Israelis. Don't you know?
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 15 December 2020 23: 13
          +4
          And we have our own - the F-35 was created and is being improved with the active participation of the Israelis. Don't you know?

          So you have one for all? American-Japanese-Israeli-Polish-Italian-English-Norwegian-Australo-Turkish?
          What a friendly family good True, even the Russian-language Wikipedia is modestly silent about your participation in the project and only indicates as operators, but this is probably the intrigues of ill-wishers. I suppose we can just as well talk about our Boeing laughing As far as I remember, Russian participation was not limited to titanium parts. hi
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 16 December 2020 05: 39
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            Quote: 123
            What a friendly family

            You hit the sky with your finger, my young friend. love Indeed, in our time, such large projects are created in cooperation by scientists and engineers from different countries who want to have a modern fighter in their arsenal. And Wikipedia does not always provide comprehensive information, alas ...
            It is international cooperation, together with production capabilities, that provides the collective West with a technological and quality advantage over the Russian or Chinese military-industrial complex.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 16 December 2020 14: 27
              +4
              You hit the sky with your finger, my young friend. Indeed, in our time, such large projects are created in cooperation by scientists and engineers from different countries who want to have a modern fighter in their arsenal.

              As far as I understand, several countries "try to create" such projects, Russia, China, Japan and one of the Koreas laughing and so on little things a circle of young technicians ... And somehow they basically do without cooperation, at least the first two countries. If you remove the United States from your cooperation, then the rest of the cooperative can begin to make Christmas tree decorations, this is what their competence on this topic will be enough for. It is probably more applicable for them to consider themselves partners, but rather it is a buyers' club. They are kept in this "stall" so that they would buy it all. The illusion of "equal" participation in the project only flatters the pride and makes it easier to spend "hard-earned money", because they buy not from someone else's uncle, but from their beloved winked

              And Wikipedia does not always provide comprehensive information, alas ...

              It was a cunning plan to extract classified information .. bully The calculation was that you could not resist, start to brag, put everything out ... But apparently it did not work ... request We'll have to come up with a more complicated combination. what It's a pity, everything was thought out down to the smallest details ... and a political asylum and a house in a picturesque corner near Vorkuta. winked

              It is international cooperation, together with production capabilities, that provides the collective West with a technological and quality advantage over the Russian or Chinese military-industrial complex.

              Of course of course yes Well done, you firmly remember all the propaganda cliches good
              Can you tell me when the "Progressive Dominator" cooperative will master hypersound?

              psAbout the house in the village, think about it ... If Vorkuta does not suit you, there is an option with Birobidzhan. good The homeland is ready to embrace you drinks
              1. Binder Online Binder
                Binder (Miron) 16 December 2020 15: 17
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                Quote: 123
                And somehow they basically do without cooperation

                That is why the successes of Russia and China in this industry are more than modest. lol

                Quote: 123
                that is what their competence on this topic is enough for.

                Competence is above the roof, but manufacturing capacity in the United States is much more significant.

                Quote: 123
                Can you tell me when the "Progressive Dominator" cooperative will master hypersound?

                If you mean mastering hypersound in its animated propaganda format, then never. wink

                Quote: 123
                psAbout the house in the village, think about it ... If Vorkuta does not suit you, there is an option with Birobidzhan. good Homeland is ready to welcome you

                Glory to the Almighty, I already have a homeland, and even a house overlooking the lake, so I thank you for the offer, but I have to refuse. hi
                1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
                  Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 16 December 2020 19: 59
                  +1
                  If you mean mastering hypersound in its animated propaganda format, then never.

                  It must be like this fool The first regiment with "Avangard" has already taken up combat duty near Orenburg, Migi with "Daggers" have been patrolling the South-West strategic direction for a long time, and will soon cover the Northern Sea Route, tests of the "Zircon" are underway, all its launches from our frigates have been recognized successful, which means that in the near future they will arm other ships and submarines, so throw your outdated training manual down the toilet and do not disgrace
                  1. Binder Online Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 16 December 2020 20: 39
                    -2
                    Believe it, comrade !!! lol And I don't have a habit of throwing any nasty stuff into the toilet ...
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                    2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
                      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 16 December 2020 21: 59
                      +2
                      If you want to believe, but if you want to check, you can close your eyes, stand in a corner and shout "I don't believe !!!" Only this will not change reality, your overlord has no protection against these missiles, strategic, sea and air-based, but I understand you, all that remains for you, in view of your lag, is to deny it laughing
                    3. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
                      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 16 December 2020 22: 50
                      +1


                      Enjoy bully
  5. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 15 December 2020 22: 45
    +6
    During the battles in Africa, the MiG-29 lost to the clean Su-27. It is foolish to spend money on second-rate aircraft, the combat value of which is highly questionable. It is necessary to save on the Chubais, not on the army!
  6. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 16 December 2020 13: 44
    0
    Quote: ODRAP
    Considering how many years the 57th was built, and with what groaning and squelching the pubs30 is born, you understand that it will not become a competitor to the 35th - it will grow old and crumble to dust.

    will "compete" with the 7th generation F, most likely ...