Military triumph of Azerbaijan and Turkey does not bode well for Russia


The day before, Baku hosted a solemn celebration of the joint victory of the Azerbaijani and Turkish military over Armenia and the return of control over key regions of Nagorno-Karabakh. President Aliyev became a real triumphant who fulfilled the quarter-century dream of his people to return the "temporarily occupied territories", and the 44-day war was called the Great Patriotic War. In addition, a number of promising forward-looking statements were made. Alarming.


We must give Baku its due. For many years Azerbaijanis have been systematically preparing revenge in Nagorno-Karabakh: they trained their army, bought the most modern weapons for petrodollars, attracted military experts from Turkey, who received real combat experience of using shock UAVs in Syria and Libya, to plan the operation. It was Turkish drones with Israeli roots, which made it possible to ensure air domination and destroy a huge number of Armenian equipment, today are considered the weapon of victory. While the Pashinyan regime rested on the laurels of the fathers in Yerevan, unreasonably counting on throwing hats at a dangerous enemy, Baku seriously prepared and won in less than a month and a half. Therefore, the military triumph of Presidents Aliyev and Erdogan is completely justified.

Russia reacted to this event with another "tomato attack", which clearly indicates an underestimation of what happened. And there is something to think about.

At first, dizziness from success will inevitably cause an increase in nationalist sentiments in Azerbaijan, which will have both anti-Armenian and, quite possibly, Russophobic tinges. Moscow is a military ally of Yerevan in the CSTO, but did not intervene in the conflict, and then endured the destruction of its Mi-24 combat helicopter. Yes, experts can justify excuses for non-interference with reference to international treaties and so on, but try to convincingly explain this to some watermelon dealer. Let's just say that at the everyday level, in such a position of the Kremlin, few people will see the manifestation of force, but what else is needed to feed nationalism? By the way, the Armenians hardly appreciated Russia's neutrality either.

Secondly, the common Great Victory welded the brotherhood of the Azerbaijani and Turkish peoples with blood. In the report from the military parade, it was precisely the word "brotherhood" that sounded. Inevitably, you have to be consistent and continue the logic. If Turkey is objectively a historical enemy of Russia, which has become evident again in recent years, then it turns out that Azerbaijan is practically officially on the other side of us. Before the words "we will never be brothers" there is only a direct conflict between Moscow and Baku. There may be plenty of reasons: let's not forget that the Russian military is already on Azerbaijani territory. You never know what can happen there, especially if someone tries to arrange a provocation.

Thirdly, extremely alarming is the statement of the fact that international law has ceased to matter. The President of Azerbaijan directly stated this:

We have seen how international law does not work. Strength became the main factor. International law, UN Security Council resolutions remained on paper. A military solution to the conflict became inevitable.

That is, Baku is now ready to solve their problems by force and have gained successful experience in this. There is no doubt that all the neighbors in the region, and not only they, are watching all this very closely.

At last, the greatest danger from the defeat of Armenia lies in the noticeable strengthening of Turkey. Ankara has firmly tied Azerbaijan to itself, the number one candidate for integration in the format of the Great Turan concept. The Turks cut through the land corridor to the Caspian Sea with its resources, and also got access to Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. In the future, these Turkic-speaking countries will be linked by a common infrastructure network leading through Azerbaijan and Turkey to Europe. The basis is being created for the formation of a new macro-regional association, a free trade zone, where the rules will be set by Ankara. The next logical step will be the emergence of a kind of military alliance, a unified Army of the Great Turan, a kind of Central Asian NATO. In this case, Russia with its CSTO and the EAEU goes through the forest.

It is especially worth paying attention to the words of President Erdogan, addressed to Yerevan:

Armenia should take up its mind. If the Armenian people can learn from the Karabakh war, a new era will begin in the region.

Now this may seem absurd, but a scenario is quite possible in which Armenia will be invited to participate in this supranational economic union by joining the international transit corridor. Armenia is seriously offended by Russia and may well take such a step under security guarantees from Turkey. Ankara constantly proves to all its partners that it does not throw words down the drain and is ready to actually fight for its interests and for allies. And we are her "tomatoes" ...
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  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 11 December 2020 15: 12
    -1
    Is Armenia offended? Means little received. They were warned about Karabakh 30 years ago. And the Turkmens will remember with pleasure the "exploits" of the Dashnaks to the Armenians.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 December 2020 15: 27
      -2
      Quote: Just Cat
      And the Turkmens will remember with pleasure the "exploits" of the Dashnaks to the Armenians.

      But what about democratic values?
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 11 December 2020 15: 43
        0
        This is under the blanket so that others, especially children, do not see ... Otherwise, they rally, you know, under the rainbow flags of democracy ... We are wild, conservative people. We have traditional values ​​in the first place, not democratic ones. Rod, homeland, family ...
        1. Soviet Union Offline Soviet Union
          Soviet Union (Victor) 11 December 2020 19: 19
          0
          Balm for the soul
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 December 2020 15: 48
    +2
    In fact, if we recall the statements of Vlast and the article, then Russia, on the contrary, received a lot of good.
    This is directly called in the articles a victory for Putin and the Kremlin.
  3. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 December 2020 16: 29
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    The 44-day war was called the Great Patriotic War.

    Without a word from the Great. Just Patriotic

    Both in Baku and in Ankara they talk about peace. On joint economic projects between 6 countries of the South Caucasus. Apparently the result of the war is strongly disliked by someone. In real life, it is the Russian military who are in Karabakh. Not Turkish or American. It is in Baku that the flags of Russia are waving along with the flags of Turkey. It is the Turkish president who recognizes the leading role of Putin. Is it really that bad for Russia? The alternative was Turkish or American bases in the region. Do you really like this alternative?
    And here they continue to tell tales about how Russia lost. I can only say one thing. Your articles have a clear anti-Azerbaijani orientation. And anti-Russian too. In any case, they are completely opposite to the statements of the President and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia.
    1. Binder Online Binder
      Binder (Miron) 11 December 2020 18: 49
      -8
      Quote: Bakht
      On joint economic projects between 6 countries of the South Caucasus.

      As far as I know, Transcaucasia or the South Caucasus today consists of three states that were formerly republics of the USSR. These are Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia. Where are the three other countries from?
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 December 2020 19: 24
        +2
        I have written about this many times. Peace in the South Caucasus will come when three countries (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia) stop seeing each other as an enemy. And three big guys (Russia, Turkey and Iran) will control the situation and will be arbiters. And no France, America or the EU.
        This is what Erdogan and Aliyev said. And it seems that Iran and Russia are not against it.
        And I will repeat my old remark. It would be nice to hold a general meeting in Tehran. This will show once again that the States have nothing to catch here.
        Symbolism should not be discounted
        1. Binder Online Binder
          Binder (Miron) 11 December 2020 19: 54
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          Quote: Bakht
          three big guys (Russia, Turkey and Iran) will control the situation and will be arbiters.

          In this situation, Russia, Turkey and Iran are very reminiscent of the Krylov's Swan, Cancer and Pike. The successful interaction of these three parties is highly doubtful.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 December 2020 20: 08
            +1
            Wait and see. While they are all acting in the same direction. All three do not need the presence of the West here. All three need economic development. And all three need peace of mind in this region. Therefore, Lavrov constantly talks about unblocking transport communications.

            The abscess was opened. Now all that is needed is rest and treatment. And not whipping up far-fetched horror stories. You won't get far with articles like this.
            1. Binder Online Binder
              Binder (Miron) 11 December 2020 20: 22
              -8
              I understand the negative reaction of Russians to the victory of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh. There is a strong sense of resentment - the Azerbaijani military, using advanced technical means, utterly defeated the Armenians armed with Russian weapons, thereby lowering the prestige of the Russian military-industrial complex in the eyes of the world community. And the main reason for Moscow's hostile attitude to Azerbaijan, having conquered the territories seized by the Armenians more than a quarter of a century ago, created a precedent, set an example for Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, which have similar problems.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 December 2020 20: 34
                +4
                The problems are similar, but not identical. And they should be solved in the same way. For example, the main difference between Karabakh and Donbass? Before the war, Baku offered Karabakh the status of autonomy. Does Kiev offer this status to Donbass? Even after the victory in the war, Baku guarantees Karabakh the status of cultural autonomy. That is, its own language and culture. Does Kiev offer this to Donbass? In all honesty, if Kiev constitutionally offers Donbass the Russian language, Russian culture and economic self-government, can the conflict be resolved?

                If Kiev tries to repeat the Karabakh scenario, then Donbass is not Karabakh. Russian people live there. Kiev will immediately receive the Karabakh outcome. Russian peacekeeping brigade in Donbass. So I would not compare.

                Concerning the military-industrial complex. Azerbaijan has purchased weapons worth millions from Turkey and Israel. But in Russia, he bought 5 billion. And I bought licenses in Russia. We produce a lot under Russian licenses
                1. Binder Online Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 11 December 2020 21: 03
                  -7
                  It is clear that any of the listed conflicts has its own specifics. You, as I see, are not quite in the subject of the Donbass and misjudge the realities there. But this is a completely different topic.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 December 2020 21: 06
                    +1
                    It is possible that I don’t know anything about Donbass. I see information and sometimes communicate with people from Donbass. However, recently it is less common.
                    But I am firmly convinced that Kiev will not be able to repeat the Karabakh scenario.
                    1. Binder Online Binder
                      Binder (Miron) 11 December 2020 21: 25
                      -5
                      In my opinion, the problems of Donbass, Crimea and Transnistria should be considered as a whole. In 2014. the Russian leadership has launched a large-scale project "Novorossiya". within the framework of which it was supposed to tear away the territory from Ukraine from Kharkov, Donbass, further along the southern regions to Odessa and connect them with Transnistria. The project as a whole failed, it was possible to annex Crimea, to seize part of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. As a result, it turned out like with that suitcase without a handle - it's hard to carry, but it's a pity to throw it away. Crimea is drying up, Donbass is bent over, Russia has become an outcast country, enthusiastic cries of "Crimea is ours!" gave way to disappointment.
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 December 2020 21: 32
                        +5
                        In 2014. Russian leadership has launched a large-scale project "Novorossiya"

                        I must say right away that I disagree with this statement. Moreover. It was in the spring of 2014 that it became clear to me personally that there could be no talk of any NovoRussia project.
                        The return of Crimea is an absolutely logical move that was immediately known. Even Saakashvili declared back in 2013 that if the Maidan wins, Crimea will leave.
                        Russia did not become an outcast country. You have drawn erroneous conclusions from the incorrect first statement. Russia never planned to capture Donbass and the NovoRussia project.
                      2. Binder Online Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 11 December 2020 21: 41
                        -4
                        We will remain each with his own opinion.
                  2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                    ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 12: 38
                    -4
                    Dear Bakht.
                    Please do not write more about the situation in the states to the west of Georgia. OK?
                    So as not to look stupid. Regarding the situation in Donbass, you are, forgive me, carrying a blizzard ...
                    Don't compare with Karabakh. Let me remind you, so, slightly: your Patriotic war lasted 44 days. The war in Ukraine has been going on for six years.
                    Have you agreed?
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 December 2020 12: 46
                      +2
                      Dear Alexey. I have written and will write about any country that interests me. And I would ask you to carefully read what is written. In particular

                      So I would not compare.

                      If you think that I am "carrying a blizzard," then this does not mean ABSOLUTELY that you own the truth. It is quite possible that you are just wrong.
                      Have you agreed?
                      By the way, the war in Donbass has been going on for 6 years. But the war in Karabakh lasted not 44 days, but 28 years. Taking into account the first conflicts, all 30 years.
                    2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 12: 58
                      -3
                      Okay, write. We giggle together.
                      I still know the truth about the situation in Donbass in full measure. Believe me.
                      Comparing, completely in vain. Analogies are only visible, but ....

                      About interethnic relations. About "hatred".
                      A year that way, at 85m, there were two guys in my company (This is in one closed school for boys.)
                      Yurik Karapetyan is from Yerevan, and I don’t remember the second name, but definitely from Azerbaijan. Persian, according to the passport .. I don't remember who, but they confidently said that there would be war.
                      Fighting, 28 years old. Well, how are you fighting ...
                      In 2012, no one in Ukraine expected the war. True, I, in one forum, spoke out categorically against the creation of an ecovillage in the Luhansk region, claiming that there would be something there.
                      Ukrainian hatred of Russians? In Aydar, Azov, Donbass, "Volia" (this is a Lvov baht, volunteers), there are no more Russians.
                      And about the "Bandera", who were prisoners and who were shot, still a blizzard, forgive me. Repeat after nightingale droppings.
                      Be ashamed ...
                      You can, of course, express your opinion further, plz. But, I will correct, do not blame me. I myself am not commenting on the situation in the Caucasus.
                    3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 December 2020 13: 07
                      +1
                      must testify that if the Germans, including the SS men, identified by the blood group tattooed under the arm, as a rule, were taken prisoner (the number of prisoners was an indicator of the combat activity of units and formations), then Vlasovites, if they did not have time to protect them as carriers of information, were most often subjected to "extrajudicial reprisals"... The fate of even those who were only mistaken for ROA servicemen turned out to be tragic. In order not to be unfounded, I will give facts and evidence of a very unexpected nature.

                      On January 12-14, 1945, the 1st Ukrainian, 1st and 2nd Belorussian fronts went on the offensive, in connection with which dozens of agent intelligence officers were given a radio command to leave the German rear to meet our troops. At the same time, intelligence officers were briefed in secret, as well as peensha-two in regiments, divisions and corps and counterintelligence officers in units. In particular, it was proposed: “The retired scouts should be provided with good food, and, if necessary, with medical care and clothing. It is strictly forbidden to take away their personal belongings, documents, weapons and radio stations ”.

                      The scouts began to leave on January 16, what followed is perceived as a ridiculous and terrible dream. This is how it is described in the directive encryption, which was communicated to the commanders of the 2nd Belorussian Front formations ten days later. January 27, signed by Marshal K. Rokossovsky and Chief of Staff of the Front, General A. Bogolyubov:

                      “With the successful advance of our troops to the west from the enemy's rear, intelligence agents of the front headquarters’s intelligence department come out and meet our troops, who for 5-6 months were deep behind enemy lines in extremely difficult conditions, not sparing their lives, fulfilling the tasks assigned to them ... Instead in order to humanly accept and send these people ... 19.01.45, in Mlava, the commander of the intelligence group, engineer-captain Ch-s, came out to meet the soldiers of the 717th regiment of the 137th division, and asked to send him to the intelligence department of the front headquarters, the request of Comrade Ch -you were not executed, and he himself was brutally killed ... 18.01.45, in the area of ​​Tsekhanuv, an agent group headed by the commander Lieutenant G-nd came out to meet the soldiers of the 66th mechanized brigade. The group was delivered to the commander of the 66th mechanized brigade, Lieutenant Colonel L-o, who did not understand the essence of the case, called the presented scouts "Vlasovites" and ordered them to be shot. Only an accident saved the life of the scouts ... ”.

                      This is from an article by the front-line soldier and writer V. Bogomolov. I'm not going to giggle over your passages. Ignorance is not a vice. But you need to study
                    4. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 13: 19
                      -3
                      Sorry, I didn't read the sheet.
                      I was a little bewildered about the book "in August .." Let me explain. Once upon a time, in childhood, my grandfather lived in a neighboring apartment. Colonel. Me, small, did not really spread, but baht, sometimes .... Sudoplatovets. On a parachute badge
                    5. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 December 2020 13: 22
                      +3
                      Well, I understand that you do not like to read. Focus on someone else's words.
                      For God's sake, comment. Always ready to listen to a REASONABLE opinion But I have not seen anything like this yet.
                    6. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 13: 46
                      -2
                      I read it, of course. A front-line neighbor, a Sudoplatovite, a real thug, giggled.
                      Read on, Soviet memoirs about Bandera. An extremely honest and unbiased source. lol
                      Exactly the same as your conversations with people from Donbass.
                      You can also compare the 28-year war with the war in Ukraine.
                      Well, there, in the theater of operations, in the number of participants, in the losses of the parties, (one side of the loss in peacetime secrets), ... At the cost, finally .... You, I understand, have a relation to the military? So count how many ammunition the Coal Switzerland has spent in six years ...
                      In general, continue, I dare not interfere. winked
                    7. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 13: 57
                      -1
                      In pursuit. I love to read. At the age of six. Lot.
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                3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 December 2020 13: 42
                  +1
                  I saw no reasonable arguments. By the way, the above excerpt is not at all from "August ...." This is an article of Bogomolov's review of the writings of G.Vladimov about Vlasov and his army.
                4. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                  ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 13: 55
                  -2
                  I trust reviews even less than memoirs. Well, again. You sincerely believe in Soviet scribbles. With living people, I give a tooth, did not communicate. In those parts, I have not been ... Reminds vividly "I have not read, but I condemn."
                  Again, I dare not interfere. Want to look funny - flag in hand (c)
                  Finish on this.
                5. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 December 2020 13: 59
                  0
                  You have not understood the main thing. This is not about war. It's about resolving conflicts. They all have a different nature. But everyone has one solution.
                  If you only knew how many stupid (to put it mildly) colonels I have seen .... Wars are not started and ended by the military. They have nothing to do with this at all. Their job is to shoot.

                  Finish on this.
        2. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 December 2020 13: 11
          +3
          About hatred. One person to make a conclusion? It's outrageous.
          I have lived in Baku all my life. And friends were Armenians and friends remained. And for the majority of Baku Armenians, the Karabakh events were a complete surprise. There was no question of any war, especially in 1985.
          1985 is still the USSR and Gorbachev just came to power. Who then spoke about the war and the collapse of the USSR?
  • Vit007 Offline Vit007
    Vit007 (Socrates) 14 December 2020 04: 32
    0
    I didn't notice the most important difference. Ukrainians do not hate Russians as much as you do Armenians. This hatred is in your blood. So, if there is hatred, everything else is nonsense ...
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 December 2020 10: 02
      +3
      Another controversial remark. Ukrainians hate Russians much more. Just do not confuse Russians in Ukraine and Ukrainians.
      The Azerbaijanis did not have any hatred of the Armenians until 1988. Especially in the blood. 300 Armenians in Baku alone will not allow a lie. Yes, the last 000 years have changed a lot, but there is no "hatred in the blood".
      This is a question of sociology. Armenians are not traitors to Azerbaijanis. Ukraine is anti Russia. Therefore, the hatred of Ukrainians towards Russia is a necessary condition. As the saying goes, "to become a Ukrainian you have to kill a Russian in yourself." And if you consider Ukrainians (namely Ukrainians) to be brothers, then you are making a fundamental mistake.

      A necessary afterword. During the war, even captured SS men were brought to headquarters. Bandera prisoners were shot on the spot, despite any orders
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 December 2020 10: 17
        +2
        We have no hatred for the Armenian people. We only have problems with the leadership of Armenia.

        Erdogan and Aliyev invite Armenia to new union

        https://haqqin.az/news/196127
    2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 12: 41
      -3
      There is no hatred. There is another ...
      Let me remind you that the battalions of Donbass, Aydar, Azov, and many others are staffed (volunteers), namely from the East of Ukraine. And many of them are Russians (not to be confused with Russian speakers).
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 December 2020 20: 15
    +1
    The presidents of Azerbaijan and Turkey noted the special role of Moscow in the settlement of the conflict in Karabakh. Thus, according to Erdogan, the position of Russian leader Vladimir Putin helped significantly reduce the escalation of tension in the region..

    "I cannot fail to note the role of Mr. Putin. His position has largely helped to reduce the escalation of tension in Nagorno-Karabakh and direct the processes in a positive direction," the president said.

    The main news at the press conference was the initiative of the Turkish leader to create a so-called "platform of six", which will include representatives of all countries of the South Caucasus. According to Erdogan, this will allow solving many issues without the participation of external players, relying on the interests of the countries of the region.

    "Today, my brother [Ilham Aliyev] and I discussed the possibility of creating a platform from six countries - Azerbaijan, Turkey, Russia, Iran, Georgia and, if desired, Yerevan, Armenia. This would be good cooperation for the development of the region," he said.

    Erdogan also noted that this idea was supported by Russian President Vladimir Putin... "Mr. Putin has a positive attitude to this idea. In a telephone conversation, he asked what my opinion on this matter was. I told him that after Ilham Aliyev reacted positively to this, it is important that I also treat this positively." - he added.

    According to political scientist Sergei Markov, such a union is logical and will help strengthen relations between neighbors in the region.

    "This association has very positive prospects. This initiative is due to the fact that Turkey wants to get more positions in the South Caucasus, as well as in geopolitics in general. It gained more positions in Syria, Libya, the Eastern Mediterranean, and also in the Persian Gulf after creating an alliance with Qatar. The formation of such a six is ​​absolutely essential. These are the three countries of the South Caucasus and three powers around it. This is an absolutely logical regional association", - he said.

    Apart from the political component, the group of six also has an economic sense. The countries of the union are interested in a common market and opening of borders.

    https://ru.oxu.az/politics/448288
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 11 December 2020 22: 15
      +4
      Nothing good will come of this, and if it is still possible to negotiate with Azerbaijan and Iran today, Armenia needs to turn on its head, if it does not want to remain a loner among neighbors with whom all relations have been ruined, then it will not work to find a common language with the Turks. The Turks behave like thugs, they climb into a conflict in the Donbass, on the side of Kiev, because of which the war between Turkey and the Russian Federation becomes very likely and here Baku must turn on its head if you do not want your land to become a front line. In the war with the Russian Federation, Turkey will definitely grab the ears. Drones will not ride against the Russian Air Force, they will be shot down, just like Saakashvili's drones in 2008, the Turkish Air Force is rubbish, the Turks have only 50 F-16 block 50+ aircraft, everything else is outdated for a long time, and these 50 aircraft will burn out after the first the same missile strike of the Russian Federation. Tank units of Turkey, this is not serious at all, their basis is the antediluvian Leopard-1 and M-60, and the best Leopard-2 in Turkey, which the Turks have few, showed their weakness in Syria
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 December 2020 13: 42
        -1
        war between Turkey and the Russian Federation becomes very likely

        This is incredible at the moment. So there will be no comments
  • Bitter Offline Bitter
    Bitter (Gleb) 12 December 2020 00: 27
    -5
    Russia was not a party to the conflict and could not lose. yes Fact. But the situation is still not as rosy as it is portrayed; however, gentlemen ministers have missed the war.

    ... completely opposite ...

    Of course, you can always and everywhere write complete "approvals", and in general it is easier to put some kind of emoticon-type icons, and the "not approved" icon for politically correct reasons should not be installed at all to the government, ministers and other officials. Life will become more fun.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 12: 42
      -3
      Means, and could not win?
      So, I got attached ... laughing
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 11 December 2020 18: 56
    +1
    Turks cut through a land corridor to the Caspian Sea with its resources
    Who knows through which countries? Russia, Georgia, Armenia, Iran ?,
    1. Dear sofa expert. 12 December 2020 00: 07
      +2
      Turks cut a land corridor to the Caspian Sea

      You had a two in geography, right?)
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 12 December 2020 10: 05
        0
        You didn't guess. Both in school and in two universities there were fives. There is an automobile border crossing from Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic to Turkey, the border with it is 9 km. There is a border crossing to Iran, further along the highway through Iranian territory, from Iran to Azerbaijan. There are bus routes from the bus station in Nakhchivan to Istanbul and Baku. There is no railway communication with Turkey from Nakhichevan. Previously, there was a railway connection Nakhichevan-Baku, 90 km along the Armenian bank of the Araks. Now the rails and sleepers have been removed. The agreement states that Armenia guarantees free passage of passengers and goods through its territory under the control of the Russian border guards located there. It remains only to restore, and in fact to build anew, this site. Will there be Turkish cargo there, the question is, since at present the trade turnover between Turkey and Azerbaijan is carried out through the territory of Georgia along the Kars-Baku line and highways.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 12 December 2020 13: 46
          +2
          Armenia guarantees free passage of passengers and goods through its territory

          Nobody else, nobody and nothing guarantees. All the more so for the Turks.

          Will there be Turkish cargoes, the question is

          this is your own answer, to yours:

          Turks cut a land corridor to the Caspian Sea

          As required.
          Otherwise I really thought that you didn’t know that there is 30 km of Armenia between the “Nakhichevan” enclave and main Azerbaijan.)
          1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 13 December 2020 05: 23
            +1
            First, not an enclave, but an exclave. Secondly, not 30, but 90 km. a single-track railway, from which virtually nothing is left, no rails, no sleepers, no automation, no traffic lights, no siding. In what condition the embankment, tunnels and protective rockfall canopies, storm drains, etc., to which no one has approached for more than 30 years, is not difficult to guess.
            If the "Lachin" corridor mentioned in the agreement is an operating road, then "Nakhichevan" is a non-existent, and most importantly, unnecessary former single-track railway.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 13 December 2020 09: 13
              +2
              First, not an enclave, but an exclave.

              Don't find fault with the terminology, otherwise you can go far.)
              Nakhichevan, for Azerbaijanis - an exclave, and for other countries (and as an object of international law) - an enclave.

              Secondly, not 30, but 90 km. single-track railway

              The distance of the territory is measured along the overhead line, and not along the winding roads.)

              railway, from which virtually nothing is left, no rails, no sleepers, no automation, no traffic lights, no siding. In what condition the embankment, tunnels and protective rockfall canopies, storm drains, etc., to which no one has approached for more than 30 years, is not difficult to guess.
              If the "Lachin" corridor mentioned in the agreement is an operating road, then "Nakhichevan" is a non-existent, and most importantly, unnecessary former single-track railway.

              This is exactly what it does not really fit with yours:

              Turks cut a land corridor to the Caspian Sea

              How, in fact, we started this discussion.)
              1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 13 December 2020 09: 59
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                This was written by the author, and I quoted and try to understand what he meant. ))) The length of the Armenian-Turkish border is 90 km. and measured by land, In this case, the border runs along the Araks River. Exclave and enclave are different concepts. We also have our own exclave, this is the Kaliningrad region.
                Sincerely yours, Peter)
                1. Dear sofa expert. 13 December 2020 10: 09
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                  Exclave and enclave are different concepts.

                  Yes, different, but there are subtleties:

                  Exclave (from Lat. Ex - outside + clavis - key) - a part of the territory, geographically isolated from the main part of its state and surrounded by foreign territory. ... To be terminologically accurate, the Kaliningrad region is an exclave for Russians, and for other countries (and as an object of international law) - an enclave.

                  https://newslab.ru/article/145389

                  And about:

                  The length of the Armenian-Turkish border is 90 km.

                  Well, the conversation is not about the length of the Armenian-Turkish border, but about the "land corridor" from the border of "Nakhichevan" to the border with main Azerbaijan.
                  This is the distance from border to border, and with this the length of the notorious "corridor", and in fact - the territory of Armenia - about 30 km.
                  1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 13 December 2020 13: 06
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                    And according to the hacked corridor, according to the esteemed author, whom you so fanatically support, the Leopards and Altai are rushing along the valleys and along the hills towards the Caspian and the Central Asian republics with janissaries on their armor ...
                    I wish you success in your business, as well as health and happiness in your personal life!
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 13 December 2020 14: 56
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                      according to the esteemed author, whom you support so fanatically

                      You have a good sense of humor!)
                      I am worried about the author, otherwise he would burst out of pride there.)
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    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 12 December 2020 05: 53
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    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Turks cut a land corridor to the Caspian Sea

    You had a two in geography, right?)

    Marzhetsky has already answered everyone:

    The author understands a lot of things, apparently more than yours. And yes, he can write well on these topics.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 13 December 2020 09: 59
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      The author understands a lot of things, apparently more than yours. And yes, he can write well on these topics.

      Well, yes, and at the same time he praised himself, so modestly.)
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