Stood in jail for 10 years: why the robbed IL-80 could not give out any secrets

December 11 2020

The Doomsday plane, robbed in Taganrog in early December 2020, could not reveal any secrets about Russia's defense capability. The aforementioned Il-80 air command post stood idle for 10 years, it was dismantled and unsuitable for work as intended.

The base of this aircraft is the Chkalovsky airfield (Moscow region). In 2019, he flew to the Rostov region to the facility of TANTK im. Beriev. In total, Russia has four such boards.

<…> But this particular aircraft (r / n RA-86149) was ferried to Taganrog last year. Its fate has remained unclear until now - write-off with utilization or repair. One way or another, he could not perform tasks as intended.

- told the publication "Profile" source in the defense industry.

He drew attention to the fact that for the entire post-Soviet period there was no information about the repair or modernization of this aircraft. The source clarified that the supports under the tail section, which are visible in the footage from the scene of the emergency, are usually placed to maintain balance (balance) when dismantling the equipment in the front section. However, the aircraft's inability to perform its main function cannot be an excuse for what happened in Taganrog.

According to the source, the incident showed that the level of protection of the company's airfield is absolutely insufficient, because a combat aircraft with new equipment could be in place of the robbed side. He added that the aforementioned enterprise also undergoes repair and modernization of AWACS A-50, anti-submarine Il-38 and Tu-142, as well as other special-purpose vehicles. Access to these aircraft by unauthorized persons can be just as damaging. Therefore, the incident should become a reason for strengthening the security of the facility, with the assignment of these tasks to the RF Ministry of Defense. Since the planes are military, then the servicemen must protect them.

Note that what happened caused concern and concern even in the West.

Photos used: Kirill Naumenko / wikimedia.org

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Offline Bulanov

Bulanov (Vladimir) 11 December 2020 09: 40

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stood idle for 10 years, he was dismantled

The plane stood idle for 10 years, and then, in 2019, calmly took it and flew to another airfield? A steamer can't do that, but here's a whole plane ...
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  rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 December 2020 11: 56
  
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  I also thought about this inconsistency, maybe it means that I did not perform the tasks as intended, but I was ready to fly
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  akarfoxhound 11 December 2020 19: 16
  
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  The on-board equipment of the checkpoint / PN could be inoperative. This happens all the time. Engines could be stuck with a resource in the TEC regimental for ferrying to the ARZ, that's all "love". M not such firewood distilled
Offline Sergey Latyshev

Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 December 2020 09: 50

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Yes, a pathetic excuse.

And then, the equipment, for example, 10 years old, is also ogogo.
Recordings of backups, encryption methods, data transmission, the very concept of how what works, a guide for hacking ... you never know what can be interesting ...
1. Offline Afinogen
  
  Afinogen (Afinogen) 11 December 2020 12: 11
  
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  Quote: Sergey Latyshev
  And then, the equipment, for example, 10 years old, is also ogogo.
  
  This is not equipment from ten years ago. and the plane stood idle for ten years. This plane was made by the Soviet Union (still on the basis of IL-86) then they did not spare anything for the "war". there on the boards (which have been stolen, or, as it is now fashionable to say, have mastered ) all parts made of gold or tantalum and other valuable metals, one word of goodness cannot be lived.
  1. Offline boriz
    
    boriz (boriz) 11 December 2020 13: 41
    
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    ... all parts made of gold or tantalum and other precious metals, one word of goodness cannot be lived.
    
    No need to pump up. Gold is there in the form of coating the terminals of electrical radioelements, in extreme cases - in the form of a 40-micron wire for desoldering from the chip to the terminals of microcircuits. Even the official value of the stolen goods in the Ministry of Internal Affairs is 1 million rubles. And this is the full cost of making the stolen. The fact that this equipment can be pulled out in the form of precious metals - a penny is not worth the risk.
    As for "they did not spare anything" - I assure you, they counted money very well.
    1. Offline Afinogen
      
      Afinogen (Afinogen) 11 December 2020 17: 45
      
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      Quote: boriz
      Gold is there in the form of a coating of the terminals of electrical radio elements, in extreme cases - in the form of a 40-micron wire for desoldering from the chip to the terminals of the microcircuits.
      
      It depends on how many mastered and what microcircuits were. For reference, in the simplest logic of the 60-x sample (smallest MC) in 100 pieces, there are almost 2 grams of 999 gold.
      And in military details not only gold, there is tantalum, platinum, palladium (and it is more expensive than gold).
      
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      And this is the full cost of making the stolen.
      
      When copper wires are cut, their cost is also high (plus installation costs), however, those who cut it all the same, then they hand over it for a penny.
      
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      The fact that this equipment can be pulled out in the form of precious metals - a penny is not worth the risk.
      
      I do not agree, there are far from a penny and, most importantly, no risk, they knew that they were not guarded and knew what to take. Surely someone of his brought it.
      1. Offline boriz
        
        boriz (boriz) 12 December 2020 00: 25
        
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        For reference, in the simplest logic of the 60-x sample (smallest MC) in 100 pieces, there are almost 2 grams of 999 gold.
        
        This refers to the 114 series. There was gold in the microcircuits of the 60s - 70s. Girls sat in the assembly shops and welded each microcircuit with the wire I mentioned on automatic machines. From this work, they had a professional violation of posture - constantly raised shoulders. But then they got away from it. The base of the microcircuit began to be made of 22xc ceramics with wiring using the technology of thick films from the legs of the circuit to the chip, and ball leads were made on the chip and, using the inverted crystal (chip) method, the chip was simply welded to the wiring. There was no gold at all. In any case, it was like that at our factory. This is "Voskhod", microcircuits with a racket. And toys "Well, wait a minute" with her. Well 564 series and GIS for our vidaks. Much more.
        But on this plane, the bulk of the microcircuits was already of a different level, logic - 564 series, OU - 140 series, etc.
        In general, they constantly went away from gold wherever possible. In production, gold was very disliked.
        As for the quantity, the Ministry of Internal Affairs listed the stolen goods, so I figured out what was there. You will not get rich, believe me. Not worth the risk. It's one thing - they cut the wire somewhere, quite another - to steal blocks from a government plane. They will be taken by buyers (if they are really their own).
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        boriz (boriz) 12 December 2020 00: 41
        
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        And in military details not only gold, there is tantalum, platinum, palladium (and it is more expensive than gold).
        
        This equipment is mostly just microcircuits. And any exoticism is now unlikely to come true easily. In the 90s it was still all right. Then they got sick of stealing. Thermocouples from diffusion furnaces have been stolen more than once. And there, if the control thermocouples - 2 wires 2 meters long with a diameter of either 0,5 or 1.0 mm, I don't remember. That's where the nightmare was.
Offline Dimy4

Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 11 December 2020 10: 14

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Now they will come up with excuses for each other delirium.
Offline boriz

boriz (boriz) 11 December 2020 11: 36

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Since the planes are military, then the servicemen must protect them.

Why would? If the plant is not directly part of the Ministry of Defense (as military unit No. ......), then the security there is quite ordinary, civilian. Yes, control at defense plants is stricter, a multi-layer system of checkpoints (in accordance with different forms of tolerances), but no military. This is the KGB (now the FSB) garden. I saw a lot of defense plants, everywhere the same thing.
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  nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 11 December 2020 13: 12
  
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  For sensitive and especially dangerous facilities, there is the Russian Guard, or rather its non-departmental security, Everything else depends on greed
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    boriz (boriz) 11 December 2020 13: 57
    
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    Rosgvardia exists without a year for a week. The defense industry enterprises were guarded and always controlled by the KGB / FSB, and the Russian Guard will not let them into their garden. Someone is responsible for such things. Rosgvardia simply does not have such competencies. The implementation of security and compliance with the regime implies a high level of security, which the Russian Guard does not, by definition, and never will. There, and the army is present only in the form of representatives of the customer. Which, as a rule, do not climb even at the level of verification of technical processes.
    Rosgvardia is about dispering the people, about making a warning so that they do not steal and blow up.
    Nobody will let them come close to Rosatom either.
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      persimmon ufimtsev (khurmat ufimtsev) 25 December 2020 20: 22
      
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      boriz, I don't know why you wrote that, the army is present only in the form of the customer's representatives. Which, as a rule, do not climb even to the level of testing TECHPROCESSES ".
      In the days of my youth, they climbed, and even we had a case when a military customer, and not a controller, discovered a violation of the technical process. There was such a noise - the worker was almost imprisoned (conditionally given), the controller was fired.
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        boriz (boriz) 25 December 2020 20: 53
        
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        What did he do this?
        Our technical processes were monitored by shop technologists and quality control department. For violation of technology was punished more severely than for marriage, but in order to imprison? The controller answers yes. But it is necessary to dismiss not only the controller, but also the beginning. BTK, deputy. early workshop (which is responsible for the technical preparation of production).
        But, if the military representative noticed a violation, then there was a specific mess. I just know well how this work is put on. He himself was a deputy. early workshops for technical preparation of production.
Offline boriz

boriz (boriz) 11 December 2020 15: 06

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You can simply forget about the abduction of terrible state secrets in this case.
All electronics in this aircraft are not tightly welded to the aircraft, but made in the form of fairly quick-detachable blocks / packages. Earlier, such equipment was made in the form of standard cut-in blocks. I unscrewed 4 screws and just pulled out. There remains an empty cabinet with wiring harnesses for connectors. In the early 80s, it began to look a little different, but also quite quick-detachable.
So, the movement of secret boards / blocks / products is very strictly regulated. If the plane was removed from constant duty, then these blocks / items were removed long ago and put into a secret storeroom.
And even more so, the plane did not fly with them to an ordinary aircraft plant, where there is simply no one to accept them for storage or under protection in accordance with strictly defined regulations.
On the contrary, to carry out modernization, they probably removed all unnecessary things so as not to interfere.
If it were really secret equipment, which, through an oversight, got to the wrong place, it would not be the plant that answered, but the one who sent this equipment to where it has nothing to do.
This equipment does not affect the flight performance of the aircraft from the word "absolutely".
There are two options.
1. These are really experienced employees of the plant, who decided to get up a little for free. Very similar to the movie "Election Day". But this is a comedy. And in life, what they got there is not at all worth the obvious risk associated with opening such an aircraft.
2. The obviously ostentatious hype raises some doubts. The responsibility was hung on the factory workers in advance. They talk about fingerprints, although in our time you have to have no brains at all to go on such a thing without gloves. They say nothing about video cameras, although nowadays the lousiest shop is viewed by them from several angles. And the emphasis is carefully placed on the secrecy of the aircraft, but it is not explicitly stated that secret equipment has been stolen.
Here we can assume that someone (I will not point the finger) wants to frame the plant management and the grouping under whose control it is. And, accordingly, squeeze this plant under your control. And such a transition is most likely a good thing. We are now quietly and gradually, under plausible pretexts, the cash flows are transferred under the control of the state. For example, the notorious "development institutions".
In general, they sent smart, "specially trained people", explained where what stands and lies and what should be taken. Of course, there is a regime at the plant, but for trained people it is not a question at all to enter the territory (and it is not at all small, the whole Yuzhny airfield, that still perimeter).
So let's see further. If real idiot "metalheads" are quickly taken, the first option. They can take either according to cameras or through sales channels. They can check the fingerprints of everyone who was at the factory. Although, it may turn out to be the prints of people who worked there at the place of the permanent home of the aircraft. They certainly worked without gloves.
And if there are no such idiots, or they will be somehow cloudy, or the dismissal of the management (not necessarily all) of the plant will follow, then the second option is possible.