The proposed response to the sabotage of the Ukrainian special forces in Russia


Ukraine recently carried out a military operation on the border with Russia, during which Russian border guards eliminated one intruder and freed a captured Russian citizen.


The Ukrainian special services have previously carried out similar actions on the territory of the Crimean peninsula, and also tried to capture military personnel in the Russian Federation. Sergei Grigorov, a politician, historian and co-chairman of the Russian Democrats movement, discusses in his telegram channel how to put an end to such actions in Kiev.

Grigorov proposes to classify such acts of the Ukrainian side either as a direct military attack (and this is followed by a completely logical declaration of war), or as a terrorist operation - in this case, the corresponding military structures and the SBU are recognized as terrorist organizations, they are attacked, and the executors or leaders such groups are liquidated. The same applies to neo-Nazi paramilitaries such as the Azov battalion.

These are not just criminal cases. The command and executors of such operations must be declared by Russia to be legitimate military or anti-terrorist targets. And when a rocket arrives in the car of such a second colonel, general, the rest of the colonels will think about whether to contact the Russian command at hour X and not ask what instructions will be?

- the expert believes.

In addition, Moscow should warn foreign military experts that their presence on Ukrainian territory is highly undesirable - the Israelis act in the same way with respect to Iranian military personnel in the SAR. And if in the course of an attack by the Russians of the Ukrainian military or terrorists foreign military come under attack, Russia should not bear responsibility.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 10: 12
    +11
    In the meantime, Israeli specialists, judging by the press, themselves work in Ukraine and are going to sell their military equipment there ...
  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 10 December 2020 11: 04
    -7
    Call on Putin to defend Russia's interests, what are you talking about? But what about the family, business, real estate of the oligarchs? Who will allow Putin to do this? It's time to call things by their proper names!
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 11: 18
      +14
      It's time to call things by their proper names!

      You serve the interests of the collective West with such posts about the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces - during the information war against our state and institutions of power. The Vlasovs have always been and will be, so this is not new. Reading such characters - I always remember that in the war against the Kremlin 120 such unreliable warriors fought against the Kremlin and the authorities. And you have such a common enemy, the Kremlin. If Vlasov were alive - you would have joined his ranks - and he, having read your outpourings, would have gladly accepted you in them. The most amazing thing is that those who are whining here on the Internet - you were sitting under the bins all the 000s, and now you decided to raise that life is unbearable.

      But you will not be responsible for your words. This is not about you.
      1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 10 December 2020 11: 55
        0
        Totally agree with you.
      2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 December 2020 16: 17
        -8
        Don't cover up shit with deceitful exclamations of patriotism.
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 16: 27
          +3
          not for you to talk about the position of others, I think.
          1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 December 2020 16: 32
            -7
            ..the fundamentals are rotten, and you are defending clearly by involvement in the essence of the crimes ...
            1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
              Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 16: 53
              +2
              and you are defending clearly on the basis of involvement in the crimes ...

              The men who were in the army vowed to defend the constitutional order and obey the orders of the supreme commander - in public. You know what military oath? How many of these have passed through the RF Armed Forces in 20 years?

              you can not understand. and the generation that rode the USSR, apparently, too. Well, don't be offended by rudeness.
              1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 December 2020 16: 57
                -2
                I swore an oath, that's just an oath to the Motherland, not to a clique by deceit and cunning of the rogues Gaidars and Chubais who got into power. In continuation, under the shield of VVPutin, they continue to plunder the Motherland ... As an example, the appointment of the main criminal of Russia A. Chubais as the representative of Russia in the world ...
                1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                  Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 16: 58
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                  I swore an oath, that's just an oath to the Motherland,

                  Was it you who were taught in the army to interpret the oath? Have you read it? Or are you a liar who deceived, solemnly taking an oath?

                  Let's go over the text of the oath under which our army is now swearing.
                  You gave your oath publicly, so you can
                  1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 December 2020 17: 00
                    -5
                    The soldier executes, the officer commands and reflects. Here I am to the second ...
                    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                      Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 17: 01
                      +1
                      So you, the miracle soldier, decided that the text about the protection of the constitutional order and the text about the execution of the orders of the commander-in-chief - you kind of skipped it, and decided to elevate the penultimate line to the absolute?

                      Or how does the violation of the oath and oath get along in your head and the feeling of being a miracle priest?

                      I now know that your oath is not worth a penny. And you are talking about something else here and making claims to the commander-in-chief?

                      You, like him, break the oath and interpret it in your own way. And to me, sergeant of the RF Armed Forces, do you oppose the fact that I remember my oath and the words of the oath?

                      Therefore, you are hammered under the bins. They don't understand this in Russia. Therefore, oppositionists, you were assigned to where you have been for 20 years.
                      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 December 2020 17: 13
                        -9
                        And nothing that for more than 10 years the Commander-in-Chief-President, a dummy outsider who has nothing in common with the last Glano-Commander V.V. Putin ... Start with this, figure out who you serve ...
                      2. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                        Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 17: 37
                        +4
                        what for? you will endure as you have endured before.
                        that's what I'm trying to tell you about. That you - sad - do not affect anything Error. Dust. Which the wind will blow away and there will be no trace left.

                        PS for those who treat their oaths like dirt - everything always fails. Vlasov set an example. And you followed him.

                        I would not want to be in your place with such brothers in the trench. So I will not betray my state and break my oath - there are already many of you
                      3. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 December 2020 17: 44
                        -4
                        Do not substitute concepts, in this case you represent the traitor Vlasov, figure it out and think. I belong to Russian patriots and do not hang your labels ...
                      4. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
                        Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 17: 45
                        +4
                        Vlasov interpreted the oath and oath in his own way. You do the same. Vlasov dreamed of demolishing the power in the Kremlin - you do the same. Vlasov fought against the commander-in-chief and Russian (Soviet) soldiers - you do the same. No, though. He fought. And you write pisuli. Your quality is even lower than that of Vlasov. He acted - you just endure.

                        So I can look at Vlasov as an enemy - and I look at you only with sadness and sadness, that there are such men, as it were, who do not put their oath into anything and try to say something else
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                2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                  steelmaker 10 December 2020 17: 47
                  -10%
                  But about the Constitution in vain. According to the Constitution, Putin is no longer president !!! I say - a victim of the exam!
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              2. Dan Offline Dan
                Dan (Daniel) 11 December 2020 08: 38
                +2
                Quote: steel maker
                It's already over in Khabarovsk.

                Well, what is there in Khabarovsk? They walked around, traded their faces and what did it lead to? Furgal remains in the pre-trial detention center.
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  • sniper69 Offline sniper69
    sniper69 (sergey piskunov) 11 December 2020 14: 18
    0
    you are the first to run if anything happens.
  • Dan Offline Dan
    Dan (Daniel) 11 December 2020 08: 24
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    Don't cover up shit with deceitful exclamations of patriotism.

    Nobody is going to cover you. The time will come, you will be the first to be covered. Fortunately, no one has canceled the IP address yet ...
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  • Serg sh Offline Serg sh
    Serg sh (Serg Sh) 11 December 2020 05: 03
    -4
    Come on, it seems to me that for the sake of profit, GDP encourages this "collective west" of yours, and at the expense of a large part of the population .. there are continuous attempts to establish complete control over the population .. and the struggle for it (the majority of the population) is stupefying ..
  • Slavik rusin Offline Slavik rusin
    Slavik rusin (Slavik Rusin) 12 December 2020 01: 05
    -1
    Putin is not Russia. Putin is an anti-communist, and in the Second World War the decisive role in the victory over Hitler was played by the Communists and the Komsomol. Every third soldier of the Red, I emphasize it was the Red Soviet Army was a Communist. anti-communist if you are for Putin. Throughout the entire history of mankind, the head of state has never destroyed industrial production as Putin did.
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  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 December 2020 11: 16
    +3
    This is all blah-blah-blah, it is not enough to have strong armed forces, you also need to have the courage to respond to provocations, which is clearly not enough for the guarantor, and all these stories about childhood in the backyards are fairy tales for journalists and his adherents
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 10 December 2020 13: 14
      +8
      I would even say that you need to have sufficient decisiveness and toughness for adequate retaliatory actions against any enemy, concomitance and softness at the same time is unacceptable, here our Foreign Ministry is clearly not finalizing, all that it is capable of is expressing its concerns, where it is necessary tough and decisive act it doesn't work !!!
  • Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 10 December 2020 12: 54
    0
    Where did the myth about the bold and courageous leader of Russia come from? Facts in the studio.
    1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 10 December 2020 13: 05
      +1
      he is at least a master of sports of the USSR (do you know how they get it?), an officer and the current supreme commander in chief. and who are you?
      When did you write this, who did you feel like?)

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    2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 10 December 2020 14: 09
      -4
      Try to dive into the Mariana Trench on a bare horse.
      And even emerge with a crane in hand ...
  • Vlad Petrov Offline Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 13: 27
    +5
    Half of the Ukrainians fled and continue to run. Those who remain do not need education, industry, central heating and running water will have enough cesspool. Skilled personnel have dispersed or died out, fixed assets were sold for scrap. A Ukrainian will cook borscht over a fire in a hut without water and sewage, this is exactly what he wants. As a result, there remains a limited, stupid, ignorant and aggressive Svidomo - a Maidan man. True, it has no value for a Ukrainian; he can handle any meanness and any crime.
  • ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 10 December 2020 14: 07
    -1
    Good option, good.
    Hopefully the person who suggested it and implements it?
  • Jozhik_2 Offline Jozhik_2
    Jozhik_2 (Jozhik) 10 December 2020 15: 19
    +2
    It's time.
  • aliev58 Offline aliev58
    aliev58 (Airat Aliev) 10 December 2020 21: 07
    +2
    To destroy this scum, with only one movement, a missile, or an UAV strike, or a VKS. As soon as a border violation, a terrorist attack, or shelling of the DPR, LPR immediately retaliates from where a shot or volley was fired, with the destruction of the enemy, and then the main organizers of the terrorist attacks are destroyed in the rear, targeted anywhere.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 10 December 2020 23: 21
      -5
      To dust! The whole world! But then.
  • Igor Berg Online Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 10 December 2020 23: 39
    0
    movement "Russian Democrats"

    democrats under Putin's nose? Come on, what are you doing ...
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 11 December 2020 09: 25
    +1
    proposes such acts of the Ukrainian side to qualify
    either as a direct military attack (and this is followed by a completely logical declaration of war), or as a terrorist operation - in this case, the corresponding military structures and the SBU are recognized as terrorist organizations, they are attacked, and the executors or leaders of such groups are eliminated.

    The provocations of Ukraine are not suitable for the provocations of the United States.
    Following the logic of Sergei Grigorov, a politician, historian and co-chairman of the Russian Democrats movement, a completely logical declaration of war on the United States follows.
    If the corresponding military structures of the United States and the CIA are recognized as terrorist organizations, they are attacked, and the executors or leaders are eliminated.

    Apparently Sergei Grigorov decided to compete with V.V. Zhirinovsky - to amuse the people and go to the Duma on this wave, or maybe he could apply for the post of President in 2024?
  • Sergey Freeman Offline Sergey Freeman
    Sergey Freeman (Sergey Freeman) 11 December 2020 11: 33
    +1
    everything is very reasonably said.
  • konkinalexandrgeorgievitch (Alexander Georgievich Konkin) 11 December 2020 12: 15
    -1
    Didn't the GDPR warn that the answer would be on the decision-making centers? Or did our leadership mean Voronezh?
  • nataliya mohnorylova (nataliya mohnorylova) 11 December 2020 22: 48
    0
    The answer should be symmetrical. As always, this is accepted. For example, banning Russians from eating lard.
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 12 December 2020 03: 03
    0
    Explain this to our indecisive President with his strange convictions about a certain "brotherhood" of Russians and neobanderites of Ukraine, hostile to us. As long as He will clatter with these creatures ..
  • Anatoly Nekrasov (Anatoly Nekrasov) 12 December 2020 05: 58
    -1
    Vladimir Putin is a patriot of RUSSIA! Or have you already forgotten the times of Boris Yeltsin's rule.
  • mikhail.rybakov2017 (mikhail rybakov) 15 December 2020 08: 47
    0
    The outskirts become a testing ground for new weapons systems. Well - well, a fair wind in the back.
  • Valery Rvachev Offline Valery Rvachev
    Valery Rvachev (Valery Rvachev) 17 December 2020 14: 31
    +1
    For those who hate Putin and those who consider him an infallible god (endorsements):

    1. Putin is the leader of Russia and today there is no formal or informal and equivalent replacement for him in Russia. This is understood by objective-minded people both in the country and throughout the world.

    2. The above does not mean that Putin is an infallible god. Putin makes not only mistakes, but also insidious betrayal of the people of Ukraine. He showed assertiveness and decisiveness, appealing to the Federation Council and receiving permission to use the Armed Forces abroad. He demonstrated to the population of Ukraine and the citizens of Russia that, according to Russian tradition, he would not allow the treacherous government of Ukraine to use the army against its people, which had sold its giblets to the sworn enemy of Russia and was actively helping this enemy fight Russia and denigrate it in all possible ways.

    This instilled hope in the population of Donbass and that part of the rest of the population of Ukraine, which groans and cries from the yoke of the corrupt government and the fascists-Bandera encouraged by it, whose entire strength lies solely in support from the West. Before that, Russia only watched what was happening, indignantly indignant in the media. The residents of Donbass believed that they were the same Russian people as the residents of Crimea, and Russia would do the same with them.

    But Putin suddenly changed his policy 180 degrees. He withdrew his request to the Federation Council, did not recognize the referendum of the population of Donbass (the same as in Crimea), did not recognize the republics of Donbass created on the basis of the referendum. But he recognized the new leadership of Ukraine, which came to power by force under the control of the United States, although he himself has repeatedly stated that the legitimacy of this power is questionable. Then he watched from the sidelines as the Kiev traitors began to use the national army against their own population, kill and maim peaceful people, destroy people's homes, settlements of Donbass.

    I believe that Putin could and should have prevented Kiev from killing its own population. He could have warned that the very first attempts to use the army and heavy weapons against the civilian population would be harshly suppressed by high-precision weapons strikes at the locations of heavy equipment and command centers. I think that knowing the example of Georgia, the Ukrainian authorities would be afraid to decide on such a violation of the constitution, in essence a crime. But even if, under pressure from the overseas owners, they would have done this, targeted attacks on the bandits and their command would quickly sober up both Kiev traitors and their masters. But Putin was afraid of something ... The result: thousands of killed, wounded, crippled, including children, women, old people, massive destruction of housing, infrastructure and the steadily growing arrogance of Ukrainian traitors and their owners.

    So, according to the laws of the universe, everything in life is not unambiguous. And full approval of everything Putin does only harm him. And he himself thinks so. True friends do not flatter, they express the truth, no matter how bitter it would be, which is necessary for any leader to help him avoid mistakes. To those who hate and unconditionally condemn Putin, pretending that they do not know how the whole of Russia has changed after 2000, I do not say anything, because I consider them traitors to Russia. And it's useless to talk to traitors, disinfection must be used against them as against the coronavirus.