The Ukrainian military fleet will change dramatically in the coming years


"Glory to Russian weapons and the valiant sons of the Fatherland who defended Odessa!" - reads the inscription under an old cannon from the Crimean War near the Odessa City Council. Someone has crossed out the word "Russian". Since 2014, Odessa has been the main base of the Ukrainian Navy, the remnants of its fleet have moved here from Crimea annexed (according to Ukraine) by Russia. And also the sailors who did not go over to the side of Moscow.


The only trouble is that the Ukrainian fleet as such does not exist. This is the case with most non-states - there are fleet commanders, but the fleets themselves are not. In fact, there are separate combat units, the number of fingers of one hand, which cannot be called a fleet. More precisely, one combat unit - the flagship of the fleet, the frigate Getman Sagaidachny (more precisely, the SKR - the Soviet patrol ship of project 1135.1 Nereus, which was put on the slipway in 1990 and completed by the Ukrainians in 1993, after which it became proudly called a frigate), the only ship of the 2nd rank. The rest of the ships cannot be called combat ships - they are the Vinnitsa corvette (more precisely, the MPK is a small anti-submarine ship of project 1124P Albatros, built in 1976), the medium landing ship Yuri Olefirenko (former SDK Kirovograd of project 773, built in 1971 ) and the road river minesweeper "Genichesk" (project 1258 "Korund", built in 1985). And it's all!

MPK "Vinnitsa" and SDK "Olefirenko" - ships of the 3rd rank, the minesweeper is generally a river one, the maximum that can be done is to work in the roadstead, all the rest of the floating debris are ships of the 4th rank, they, like auxiliary vessels, are by the fleet can be called only with a stretch, and to talk about their military use only under torture or sniffing hallucinogenic mushrooms. Six years after the hydrological revolution, Ukraine wondered how it could withstand the “Russian aggressor” at sea with this floating garbage? And finally, I decided.

All hope is in the West. Britain will help us


In mid-August, British Defense Secretary Robert Ben Lobban Wallace visited the Ukrainian capital. The time of the visit could surprise - mid-August, the height of vacations for diplomats and officials. But there were reasons for haste. The representative of Foggy Albion was in a hurry on the eve of Zelensky's planned official visit to London to initial a document aimed at reviving the Ukrainian Navy with the participation of the British side. Why he met with his colleague, the head of the Ukrainian military department Andriy Taran and the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak, at which they discussed steps to ensure security in eastern Ukraine and the Azov-Black Sea region, as well as issues of Euro-Atlantic integration and “the maximum use of new tools of defense and military cooperation, which Ukraine received with the acquisition of NATO partner status with expanded capabilities ”.

The result of this visit was the signing on October 7 in London by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine and the Secretary of State for Defense of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (this is the official title of Wallace) in the presence of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy of the Memorandum on strengthening cooperation in military and militarytechnical spheres between Ukraine and UK. According to which Britain undertakes to re-equip the Ukrainian Navy with modern missile boats of its own design in the amount of 8 pieces, and 6 out of 8 boats will be produced at Ukrainian production facilities with the involvement of British specialists. The boats will be equipped with 8 cruise anti-ship missiles, compatible with NATO standards (later they can be replaced with the Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship missiles). These boats, upon receipt, will have to cover all the needs of the Ukrainian Navy for ships of this class in the Black and Azov Seas.

At the same time, the first two hulls will be manufactured at a British shipyard with the participation of specialists from a Ukrainian manufacturing enterprise (it must be determined by the government), during which the Ukrainians will learn from the experience of their British colleagues. In the future, all production - from assembling hulls to equipping ships with weapons, will take place in Ukraine, at a shipyard that the government will choose and agree with the British side. For this project, the British Export Credit Agency opens a credit line in the amount of 1,25 billion pounds sterling ($ 1,6 billion at the current exchange rate) with a maturity of 10 years. The funds will also go to the construction of port infrastructure for basing these ships in Ochakov and Berdyansk.

In this whole story, two points are most revealing. First, this is the amount of the contract, the maximum possible under British law to provide third countries - 1,25 billion pounds, with a grace period of 10 years. To understand the significance of these funds, this is almost half the cost of the newest English aircraft carrier of Her Royal Majesty's Fleet "Prince of Wales" (HMS "Prince of Wales"), launched in 2019. Given the unsatisfactory state of its own navy, this money for Britain would not be superfluous, but it allocates it for the military needs of Ukraine. What is it for? The British have never suffered from charity. The answer is simple - this money is simply passed through another department. It was not for nothing that Vova wiped his pants in the office of the MI6 director. You can see the results with your own eyes. For comparison, the United States has allocated a similar amount ($ 1,5 billion) to Ukraine for military needs in all the years since the hydrological revolution, starting in 2014.

И second the moment to which you need to pay attention is the localization of the project. Our mass media have already hurried to tell that the cunning British, allocating this money, actually finance themselves, paying for the construction of these ships by their workers. However, it is not. These cunning Americans, allocating money for military needs for the 404 country, financed themselves, while the money did not even leave American jurisdiction, and the non-brothers, receiving outdated weapons, also fell on interest on the loan. The British, on the other hand, are doing a noble thing: 6 out of 8 missile boats will be built at Ukrainian shipbuilding facilities by local forces with the involvement of British specialists. Localization of the project 75%.

For comparison, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine recently concluded a similar agreement with France on the supply of patrol boats for the Border Service, and according to which 25% of the ships from the order package will be built in Ukraine. And here we are talking about 75% of the ships of localized production! Part of the money is provided for the development of the infrastructure of two naval bases for these ships (in Ochakov on the Black Sea and in Berdyansk on the Azov Sea), because the Odessa Southern Naval Base of the Ukrainian Navy cannot accept such a number of ships physically. The built bases, equipped according to all NATO standards, will also be able to receive allied ships (for which, in fact, they are being built). A British loan makes it possible to cover these costs, because the cost of the missile boats themselves fluctuates between $ 60-80 million per unit. In addition, "Britain will lead the Naval Training Initiative for the Ukrainian Navy, which kicks off in September." This will be a multinational effort to empower Ukrainian sailors, ”the UK embassy said, commenting on the visit of its minister to Kiev.

RTOs and corvettes


The boats are available in several configurations - depending on size, tonnage, weapons, etc. The British are waiting for the details of these parameters from Ukraine. Ukraine expects, from the mouth of its authorized representative, for a boat 50 meters long, speed 30-50 knots, tonnage up to 400 tons with weapons and basic ammunition of 8 cruise anti-ship missiles (British or Swedish production), which can later be replaced with Ukrainian sea-based "Neptunes" (which do not exist yet!).

The degree of corruption of the 404 country can only be judged by the fact that their own missile boats, which they planned to produce instead of the British, based on the 30-year-old Soviet MRK (small missile ship) of Project 1234 "Groza", which they were going to upgrade to modern standards, even without missile weapons, according to their calculations, should have exceeded the amount of $ 110 million. And with missiles, he would have cost half a corvette of Project 58250.

By the way, the idea of ​​building corvettes of this class does not turn out for Ukraine, by 2023 it plans to complete and launch the head of them, "Vladimir the Great". The ships of the project 58250, although they are called corvettes, are closer in characteristics to light frigates.


With a length of 112 m, a width of 13,5 m and a draft of 5,6 m, their planned displacement is expected to be about 2650 tons. The crew will consist of 110 people, sailing autonomy - 30 days. The ship, thanks to the hull lines, hidden weapons and equipment, will be invisible to radars (such as "stealth"). It will be equipped with the latest Ukrainian radar, sonar system and communications complex. From weapons on it are planned anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles (including the latest anti-ship systems "Neptune"), torpedoes and three gun mounts, which will allow it to perform a wide range of missions to combat surface, air and underwater targets. In total, until 2028, Ukraine plans to build 4 corvettes of this series, each worth $ 192 million (according to the Cabinet of Ministers decree No. 879 dated November 22.11.2019, 32, UAH 1,5 billion is provided for this). Moreover, the cost of Ukrainian corvettes will be 4 times cheaper than that of their partners in the Black Sea basin of Romania and Bulgaria, which also plan to build XNUMX such ships.

The existing status quo through the eyes of Ukrainian "colleagues"


But at the moment the situation through the eyes of the Ukrainian military department is not developing in the best way. "Russia's aggression against Ukraine in Donbass and the occupation of Crimea" sharply raised the issue of the fleet. In fact, the country was left without naval forces, because most of them were captured by the "aggressor" in the Crimea, the remaining ships are morally and physically obsolete. However, the crew, for all their importance, is only part of the problem. A significant part of the infrastructure, port and other facilities, including repair plants, remained in Crimea. Almost all of the Black Sea and Azov coasts of Ukraine, and this is about 1700 km, were left without naval cover.

A particularly difficult situation has developed in the Sea of ​​Azov. Part of the Ukrainian coastline there is controlled by a puppet regime (this is the version of the Ukrainian side) in Donetsk. It comes close to important for economics Cities of Ukraine - Mariupol and Berdyansk. In addition, Russia transferred several dozen warships to the Sea of ​​Azov, which allows it to violate with impunity the agreements on the division of the sea and the conduct of economic activities in it, concluded in the past. All this has sharply raised the question of the actual creation of a new fleet, coastal infrastructure and the supply of appropriate missile weapons systems. Both Ukrainian and imported.

Construction strategy and tasks of the Ukrainian Navy


But the issue of creating a fleet is connected not only with the financial and industrial capabilities of the state. First of all, there should be an understanding of what kind of fleet Ukraine needs. Unlike Moscow, Kiev has no imperial ambitions to enter the world ocean. For a regional state, it is necessary to have a fleet to ensure the inviolability of territorial waters, the economic zone within the contractual borders and protection from attack, as well as patrolling trade routes, combating the mine threat and destroying ships of the types that Russia has in the Black Sea.

In connection with the above, in the strategy of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since 2019, the stake has been made on the creation of a "mosquito fleet". The advantage of these ships over large ships is the swiftness and surprise of action, the possibility of redeployment by land and the ability to operate on rivers. Such a fleet will be sufficient for coastal defense, control of territorial waters and economic zones. Sweden and Norway follow a similar strategy. It was obvious that Ukraine could not solve this problem on its own, even having the necessary shipbuilding capacities. Therefore, she had to rely only on the help of the West.

According to the developed "mosquito" strategy to ensure its own security, Ukraine needs to have three types of ships. First - these are ships that provide patrolling, protection and escort of ships. At least 6-8 of these boats are capable of protecting ports, Zmeiny Island and the Dzharylgach region. Second type - fast amphibious attack boats, capable of responding to the possibility of landing DRGs, adapted to operate on sandy spits with the delivery of 15-20 marines to the required area. You need 16 of them. The third type - these are missile boats capable of preventing a possible landing. They need about 8 units, with an ammunition load of up to 8 missiles.

The United States helped Ukraine to get the first two types of "mosquitoes". These are Island and Mark VI class boats. In 2018, the United States transferred two Island-class patrol boats to the Navy. Georgia received two similar ones two years earlier. And in the summer of this year, the US State Department approved the sale of 16 ultra-modern Mark VI patrol boats (developments in 2015, previously not supplied to anyone except Ukraine, were developed exclusively for their own needs). Initially, 14 such boats will be delivered and two more can be purchased if necessary.

Information: The Mark VI boats are a versatile platform that can be used to mount weapons and equipment in several directions, ranging from the patrol function to the landing of sabotage forces near the enemy's coast, equipment for searching and destroying mines, and short-range missile systems to destroy the enemy.


The agreement with the British on missile boats completely covers the "mosquito" needs of the fleet. It should be understood that the decision to manufacture weapons of this class (small missile corvettes) is political. For many years it determines the vector of development of the Ukrainian Naval Forces. The choice of an ally in the face of the Kingdom of Windsor holds great promise for Ukraine and will help to overcome many problems, including technical ones.

From the practice of countries whose threats and types of fleets are closer to us, such as Sweden and Norway, small missile boats are one of the best options for meeting existing needs. They allow not only to protect the coastal 12 miles, but also to advance further into the Black Sea.

- stated in the Ukrainian military department, which took the most direct part in the development of the strategy of the Ukrainian Navy.

The world today has entered another scientific and technological revolution, its direction is small unmanned systems, experts dream of "swarms" of drones that suddenly appear from all sides and beat traditional monsters. "Mosquito" fleet, albeit not unmanned yet, is one of this trend. In the end, our tasks at sea are not a global demonstration, but patrolling trade routes, combating the mine threat, and also destroying ships of the types that the Russian Federation has in the Black Sea. Moreover, it must be done quickly, cheaply and in large quantities. There is simply no other solution than "mosquitoes" for different purposes - neither technically nor financially

- Andrey Klimenko, editor-in-chief of Blackseanews, shared this conclusion.

Summary


From all of the above, it can be stated that, based on the adopted strategy of the Ukrainian Navy, Ukraine is more likely preparing to defend its own maritime borders than to attack the Russian Federation from the sea. This does not remove the problems of the Russian Federation in Azov, where it does not have a small-tonnage fleet to confront the Ukrainian Navy in shallow water.

And to all Ukrainians, raving about a military campaign against Russia, dreaming of reaching at least the Urals, I suggest already starting to stock up on breadcrumbs and warm clothes, because, of course, you can get there, but only in a column of prisoners of war.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 15 December 2020 09: 05
    +1
    The question is, what kind of fuel and lubricants is going to use this whole Ukrainian armada? Who will supply gasoline and diesel fuel for the Ukrainian troops?
    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 15 December 2020 09: 58
      +1
      The main supplier of petroleum products to Ukraine is Lukashenka's daddy, and our oil moneybags are also added to this, so there will be plenty of fuel for tanks, armored personnel carriers and all kinds of Ukrainian boats and pie.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 15 December 2020 10: 04
        +2
        So everything is fine and there is no need to stir up panic? Otherwise, would they not supply fuel from Russia and the union state of Belarus, if they considered Ukraine an enemy?
        1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
          Alexndr p (Alexander) 15 December 2020 18: 30
          0
          if they considered Ukraine an enemy

          do not count. partner. poor - but what it is. Here on the outskirts we are considered enemies - and they even pass the tax on the war with the Russians

          Circus actors, what to take from them
    2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 12: 18
      -4
      Apart from Russia and Belarus, there is simply no one. No one in the world has come up with such trifles as an oil refinery.
      1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 16 December 2020 15: 38
        0
        Nobody came up with the prices for refinery products like those from Russia and Belarus, will this option suit? :)
        But what am I talking about? Well you lads are rich, you can buy matrassan coal from Donbass by transfer through Rosmiya, and "negazpromovsky" gas in Europe (Europe is like that, it is a direct main gas producer) the rich have their quirks laughing
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 December 2020 11: 57
    -1
    Everything is correct. No money, but you hold on - a universal strategy.

    Iran builds boats, Korea builds boats, we build boats. Well, and no one even remembers about some Brazil ...
  3. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 12: 17
    -2
    A clear split personality. Or did two people write this opus?
    First, tons of bile and antics.
    Then, a rather sober analysis, crossing out the conclusions of the first half.
    Ergo. There are no imperial ambitions, no desire to anoint the flag near Pakistan, too.
    So, the protection of your coast, no further than the EEZ.
    The named types of ships fit perfectly. Almost all, moreover, are either new or the latest. With the world's best achievements in the maritime and arms business. It doesn't smell like Chinese diesels.
    At the end of the article, a break in the plot, the author is angry with indignation that the vile Ukrainians do not intend to attack the Russian Fleet.
    Traitors, what to take from them.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 15 December 2020 19: 33
      0
      At the end of the article, a break in the plot, the author is angry with indignation that the vile Ukrainians do not intend to attack the Russian Fleet.

      And against whom are the non-brothers going to use their cruise missiles, don't you tell? Probably against the Romanians? Or Georgians? With whom do they share the Sea of ​​Azov? With the Turks? It’s clear that the Russian Federation is not going to attack Ukraine, then why are our sworn "partner friends" stuffing it with hexogen? If in the 1st act there is a gun on the stage, then in the 3rd act it will definitely shoot!
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 22: 23
        -1
        "against" and "attack" are not the same thing.
        And the missiles, they said, are against a possible landing, which they are going to "break through the corridor" with.
        And the fleet is being prepared, for the same opera.
        No attacks, no landing on the other side of the sea. Pure defense.
        From whom? The question is rhetorical.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 16 December 2020 01: 41
          +2
          anti-ship missiles against the landing? insanity grew stronger!
          1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
            ODRAP (Alexey) 16 December 2020 03: 00
            -4
            Against landing vehicles. And ships of fire support for the landing.
            You are not taught in school that amphibious assault forces are disembarked from ships and vessels?
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 16 December 2020 07: 57
              0
              and how does a ship differ from a ship, excuse me? and why should the Russian Federation land troops when it has the longest land border with Ukraine?
              1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                ODRAP (Alexey) 16 December 2020 13: 31
                -2
                Have you read the article?
                Oh yes... winked
                So, it is about the Naval Forces of Ukraine, and about whom they oppose.
                Correctly there someone wrote that - only an attack from the sea. Didn't you write?
                What is the difference between a ship and a vessel, you will ask Timokhin. Or Mina's. You will be explained.
                Therefore, coastal anti-ship missiles are just in the subject, but shipboard ones are not very much.
                About the "land corridor," - no need. Everything is very sad there, for the attacking side.
    2. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 15 December 2020 23: 28
      +2
      Why immediately traitors? There is simply no money for an attacking strategy. laughing
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 16 December 2020 03: 02
        -4
        There is no desire to attack. And it never did.
  4. Dear sofa expert. 15 December 2020 20: 10
    +2
    The Ukrainian military fleet will change dramatically in the coming years

    Oh! How long?)
    This, so to speak, "people", after the collapse of the USSR, got the strongest army in the European part of the globe, technology, production facilities. Well, where is all this?
    This "people" can only drink, eat, and jump from one neck to another.
  5. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 15 December 2020 22: 08
    +6
    I read the article. Now let's talk seriously.
    1) There is no naval version of the Neptune rockets, and it is not known whether they will exist at all and when. For the corvette Volodymyr Veliky UKROPs from the very beginning planned German engines, French PKL Exocet block 40 and other western stuffing, so there can be no talk of localizing the production of ships in Ukraine by 75%. The maximum that Nezalezhnaya can do is make hulls, yes and with this, not everything is smooth there. The corvette corvette Volodymyr the Great has not been in service for many years.
    2) While the UKROPs want to launch the body of their corvette Volodymyr Veliky by 2023, the Russian Federation is going to replenish its Black Sea Fleet with a new corvette of Project 2021 by the end of 20380, which, according to NATO classification, also belong to light frigates.
    3) UKROPs will not be able to equip their ships with Ukrainian electronics, since even the flagship of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Hetman Sagoidachny is now equipped with a civilian radar of foreign production, yacht class, purchased by volunteers.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 22: 29
      -4
      Well, they wrote about land Neptunes in the same way.
      Plans are changing. German diesels, British rockets.
      Russian electronics is also somehow not expected.
      The corvette, most likely, is not really needed - there are no plans to conquer the Galaxy.
      Mind. And by the way, with what forces, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is going to defeat the Ukroflot?
      1. bear040 Offline bear040
        bear040 15 December 2020 22: 37
        +6
        1) And the combat effectiveness and the possibility of mass production of land-based Netpoons are still in question. It's one thing to launch a blank with a motor left somewhere in warehouses inherited from the USSR, and a completely different real destruction by these missiles of an enemy ship, which will use both electronic warfare and air defense missile systems and retaliate against the positions of the Neptunes.
        2) In order to destroy the rubbish that is now afloat in Ukraine, even the antediluvian patrol ships inherited by the Russian Federation from the USSR, such as Ladny and Pytlivy, are enough. There is no air defense system on the ships of Ukraine, with the exception of the antediluvian air defense missile system OSA on Sagaidachny, but this system is suitable only for a museum, it has been proven in Karabakh, and its serviceability is questionable
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 22: 45
          -5
          So you have answered the author's question (above) against whom the RCC Neptune will be directed.
          Land complexes will be put into service, there is no doubt about that. Well, don't you.))]
          And "wet" missiles are not very necessary and necessary, sea battles are somehow not supposed.
          About electronic warfare, you made me happy. I did not think that my Service is so omnipotent that it is treated with such reverence.)))
          1. bear040 Offline bear040
            bear040 15 December 2020 22: 54
            +6
            1) It depends on what electronic warfare is. If the systems of the Bean type were inherited by Ukraine from the USSR, then they can only make tourists laugh, well, they can also scare Romanians, whose air defenses still have antediluvian S-75 air defense systems, no more. In the Russian Federation there are quite advanced systems and the notorious Khibiny here for a long time is not the newest and most perfect electronic warfare system in the Russian Federation.
            2) Land Neptunes may be delivered, but what they can do in reality, and not in words and how many there will be, is a big question. Looking at the production rates of Oplot tanks, for example, we can already say that there will not be many Neptunes, and their quality and real combat capability are in question.
            3) The article wrote about attempts to revive the Ukrainian fleet and Ukraine's ability to independently build ships by 75%. There will be no first or second in Ukraine. The most Nezalezhnaya can hope for is the delivery from the USA of old decommissioned patrol ships (escort frigates) of the Oliver Perry class. But everything is sad there. There is no air defense system for them and it has been removed from the US armament. The ships are worn out and they are not stealth. And even for them (repair, crew training, modernization) Ukraine has no money
            1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
              ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 23: 05
              -3
              Well, "no so no" (c) wassat
              1. bear040 Offline bear040
                bear040 15 December 2020 23: 07
                +7
                Well, no, I'm objectively. You have not even been able to build an empty hull for the corvette Volodymyr the Great, and all the filling for it and in the best times for Ukraine was planned by you Western, not Ukrainian production
                1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                  ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 23: 09
                  -6
                  The above quote is the American response to the message that "there are no Russians there."
                  Battle of Konoko. laughing
                  1. bear040 Offline bear040
                    bear040 15 December 2020 23: 13
                    +7
                    Ukraine is not part of the United States and the Black Sea is not Syria. They won't joke here. The United States will not die for you, they even got scared of North Korea, as soon as Kim threatened the Yankees with a dozen of his nuclear warheads. By the way, I can congratulate you. Western Ukraine has officially become one of the probable targets for a nuclear strike by the Russian Strategic Missile Forces. I hope you're still having fun. good
                    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                      ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 23: 19
                      -7
                      Are you ready to die for Donetsk? tongue
                      1. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 15 December 2020 23: 20
                        +6
                        laughing Why did you decide that I'm going to die and you will have the opportunity to kill me ?! You and only you will have to die. For the United States, you are not an ally, but cannon fodder, like Georgia.
                      2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                        ODRAP (Alexey) 15 December 2020 23: 36
                        -6
                        Yes, I never decided.
                        You decided that for me. Cannon fodder and all that.
                        Alas, your opinion on this issue does not matter at all.
                      3. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 15 December 2020 23: 37
                        +6
                        And yours at all. At the moment, your army, air force and navy are not famous for anything other than surrender and escape from the cauldrons.
                      4. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                        ODRAP (Alexey) 16 December 2020 00: 01
                        -7
                        Could you name, at least one battle or battle, where the valiant Russian Fleet, the Invincible-Legendary Army, on the extreme, the Space Force, gained glory? Well, in the last thirty years?
                        Do not offer Kuzi Battle of Konoko, Kerch Massacre or Heroic Trek.
                        Six victories over ISIS (banned in Russia) is also not interesting.
                      5. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 16 December 2020 00: 18
                        +7
                        Well, if you are not interested in how the Ukrainian missile boat was sunk under the flag of Georgia and a few more with it, then the Ukrainian fleet cannot offer anything more serious than a tie-expert in 2008. By the way, you have no victories at all, especially at sea, not in the last 30 years, not at all. That the Sich Riflemen, that the Banderaites, were dying of cleaning up foreign toilets and only those who managed to escape from the battlefield, the others remained to fertilize the fields with their carcasses
                      6. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                        ODRAP (Alexey) 16 December 2020 00: 20
                        -7
                        That is, there will be no list of battles and guards.
                      7. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 16 December 2020 00: 22
                        +7
                        Well, if you don't know how to read, or the broken army, navy, air force and air defense of Georgia + Ukrainian units in Georgia do not count, then of course
                      8. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                        ODRAP (Alexey) 16 December 2020 03: 04
                        -9
                        I can read.
                        But, no matter how I try, in your posts I did not find a list of grandiose victories.
                        Yes, at least one victory.
                        To the extreme, at least some battle ...
                        No? what a pity.
                        I believe you are still ahead!
                      9. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 December 2020 10: 19
                        +4
                        And it’s not enough for you that your army, air force, air defense, navy were kicked out of the Crimea with garbage rags ?! One rotten BOD Ochakov without weapons on board defeated the entire ukroflot!
                      10. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                        akarfoxhound 16 December 2020 16: 34
                        +4
                        What other nafur "battle" is needed? The Georgians who attacked in the direction of Tbilisi, that they did not have time to catch up or our "assault" on your xupa defense of the Crimea? And with Konoko, what with such delight for the owners then? Has the clash with the GRU special forces happened, that they had the right to use something more serious? Ratibor PMKshnikov was repulsed from the art and the cheerful Yankes, represented by their special forces, jumped out to finish off the survivors, of whom there were practically none left after the artillery attack. And then a surprise! Another company of the Carpathians, which was on the flank, did not come under attack, came out on the brave striped rams, and it did well - there were 20 people missing rams (not infantry, but special forces, a trifle, right?), Brave army specialists who found themselves face to face in in an open battle with the mercenaries, suddenly at a gallop, picking up bloody snot, they ran "on the attack" back to the base under the roof of the arts. PMCs Karpaty turned out, as fighters, more professional than your masters, well, and artillery is also in Africa artillery (the matrassans, even though the same BW, do not boast for their private artillery with aviation? Well, at least a small 3-gun battery or squadron b a link of some crumpled old A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft, eh? No?)
                      11. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                        ODRAP (Alexey) 16 December 2020 19: 32
                        -4
                        I read it three times.
                        I couldn't find the name of the battle.
                        belay
                      12. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                        akarfoxhound 16 December 2020 22: 18
                        +1
                        I sympathize crying
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  • polev66 Offline polev66
    polev66 (Alexander) 16 December 2020 04: 33
    +3
    Well, where are these neptunes? ragulatina except for firecrackers on the camera did not launch anything
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 16 December 2020 21: 29
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    Quote: Volkonsky
    anti-ship missiles against the landing? insanity grew stronger!

    against surface delivery vehicles, what's not clear?
  • istrem Offline istrem
    istrem (alexsandr istrem) 19 December 2020 19: 36
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    Really, the bottoms will be updated with plywood + tarpaulin covered under the "armor" ?!