SpaceX continues to break records, overtaking Roskosmos

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Elon Musk's company continues to break its own records in 2020, despite the COVID-19 pandemic. So, on Sunday December 6, SpaceX launched its 23rd rocket launches this year. The Falcon 9 launch vehicle has successfully launched a cargo version of the Crew Dragon into orbit.

It should be noted that the previous record was set by the company in 2018. Then SpeceX conducted 21 rocket launches.



But that's not all. Two weeks earlier, the American aerospace company “managed” to establish two new achievements at once. The Falcon 9 launch, held on November 24, was the hundredth for this class of rockets. In addition, during the mission, SpaceX used the same first stage of the carrier for the seventh time, and one of the halves of the nose fairing was used three times.

We have previously Reportedthat the aforementioned launch became the most profitable for Elon Musk's company. At the same time, the first stage of the rocket successfully landed on a floating platform, which means that it is likely that it will be used for the eighth time.

Recall that the state corporation "Roscosmos" this year carried out 14 launches, 13 of which were on the medium "Soyuz-2" and one on the heavy "Proton-M". Consequently, the figure of the Russian space agency is more than one and a half times inferior to the American private company.
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  1. 123
    123
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    9 December 2020 13: 49
    Well, at least one project from Musk is profitable. True, the data is closed, do not check. Gentlemen take their word for it winked
    1. Cyril
      Cyril
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      9 December 2020 13: 54
      Tesla is also confidently keeping profit for the second year.
      1. 123
        123
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        9 December 2020 14: 13
        Tesla is also confidently keeping profit for the second year

        ABOUT!!! Has it been working without losses for a whole year? Are things going well?
        Tellingly, sales are falling, while profits are growing ... although the 3rd quarter is growing.

        https://auto.vercity.ru/statistics/sales/marks/2020/tesla/

        What about the rest of the projects? Are you surely following the events, new batteries are on the way?
        1. Cyril
          Cyril
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          9 December 2020 14: 29
          ABOUT!!! Has it been working without losses for a whole year?

          Almost two. Tesla went into profit at the end of 2018, since then every quarter has shown profit.

          Tellingly, sales are falling, while profits are growing ...

          In the first quarter of 2020, due to covid, profit also fell, but remained above zero. Increased in the second quarter. Overall, car sales are growing steadily.

          What about the rest of the projects? You probably follow the events

          Of Musk's projects, I only follow SpaceX and Neuralink. The first one has been demonstrating stable success in recent years, the second project at the moment is purely research, so it is simply pointless to talk about profitability / unprofitability.

          So far, everything is in order with Tesla, Solar City seems to be afloat too. And what other projects does he have besides these?
          1. 123
            123
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            9 December 2020 15: 16
            Almost two. Tesla went into profit at the end of 2018, since then every quarter has shown profit.

            Here is the news of the bourgeoisie came out in the summer, when had "almost two" had time to run?

            Tesla has made a profit for the first time in its 17-year history for four consecutive quarters ...

            https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-posts-fourth-consecutive-quarterly-profit-defying-pandemic-shutdown-11595450752

            And what other projects does he have besides these?

            I didn't really understand that he had a "breakthrough" battery "in operation" again promised. The rest of the "hyperloops" I threw into the "far corner of memory". I don’t follow.
            1. Cyril
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              9 December 2020 15: 34
              Here is the news of the bourgeoisie came out in the summer, when had "almost two" had time to run?

              So the news you quoted is that profit has been observed for 4 quarters in a row. For the first time, the company entered profit in the 3rd quarter of 2018 - that is, exactly 2 years ago. Q4 2018 was also profitable. Maybe then in some of the quarters of 2019 there was a subsidence?

              I didn't really understand that he had a "breakthrough" battery "in operation" again promised.

              I don't really follow Tesla, I can't say anything about the battery.

              The rest of the "hyperloops" I threw into the "far corner of memory". I don't follow.

              "Hyperloop" is not a commercial project at the moment. In general, Musk himself simply expressed the idea, and other companies are engaged in the implementation. And they didn't give up their work, by the way. At the moment, several companies are implementing pilot sections of the route in the cities of Toulouse, Dubai, Las Vegas, Seoul, Tongren and several others. Recently at VO there was news that in a South Korean project it was possible to accelerate the capsule in the experimental section of the pipe to a speed of more than 1000 km / h.
              1. 123
                123
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                9 December 2020 15: 54
                So the news you quoted is that profit has been observed for 4 quarters in a row. For the first time, the company entered profit in the 3rd quarter of 2018 - that is, exactly 2 years ago. Q4 2018 was also profitable. Maybe then in some of the quarters of 2019 there was a subsidence?

                Maybe so. it's just a company that has been working at a loss for 16 years ... And we scold Chubais for Rusnano ... laughing
                1. Cyril
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                  9 December 2020 16: 06
                  just a company for 16 years working at a loss ...

                  Any businessman, even the owner of some seedy restaurant, will tell you that for the first few years ANY business will be unprofitable.

                  And we are talking about a company that produces a complex industrial product. Moreover, it would be okay for this company to produce some ordinary car, for which there is a ready-made infrastructure of gas stations, as well as quite stable demand and trust among the mass buyer, due to which you can count on a quick payback.

                  Tesla, on the other hand, produces an electric car, and when the company was founded, there was no talk of any infrastructure or trust among the mass buyer. All this had to be worked out - naturally, this requires time and large expenses, due to which the company will not receive any profit in the first years - it will not even go to zero.

                  The trick is that Tesla, albeit with certain problems, produces a very specific product, but I have not heard something about the products of Rusnano - have you?
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                    2. Cyril
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                      9 December 2020 18: 30
                      Without proof, I cannot accuse a person of "sitting here" for money. It doesn't matter to me.

                      I just love to argue. 123, with all our disagreements with him, at least knows how to do it.
                  2. 123
                    123
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                    9 December 2020 18: 05
                    first few years

                    Did you mean the first decade and a half?

                    Any businessman, even the owner of some seedy restaurant, will tell you that for the first few years ANY business will be unprofitable.

                    That is, as a rule, a person opens a business realizing that for several years, or even a dozen or a half, it will be unprofitable? belay do you think many have a similar margin of safety? I directly presented a picture of how such a businessman brings a business plan to the bank and asks for a loan. winked

                    And we are talking about a company that produces a complex industrial product. Moreover, it would be okay for this company to produce some ordinary car, for which there is a ready-made infrastructure of gas stations, as well as quite stable demand and trust among the mass buyer, due to which you can count on a quick payback.

                    Oh yeah!!!! I think the question of stable demand is quite debatable. feel all the more the trust of buyers because it is difficult to name a quick payback that they began to reach after 15 years.
                    Blah, blah, blah ... dear bankers, give me money and in 15 years I will start giving credit laughing

                    The trick is that Tesla, albeit with certain problems, produces a very specific product, but I have not heard something about the products of Rusnano - have you?

                    Even a broken watch shows the correct time twice a day. Chubais, or rather, under him, they began to release nanotubes. Interestingly, even extremely lazy feet wiped everything about Chubais, and Musk is a super effective manager winked
                    1. Cyril
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                      9 December 2020 18: 27
                      Did you mean the first decade and a half?

                      Depending on the nature of the business, its recoupment can come in general within 3-4 decades. There is nothing surprising.

                      That is, as a rule, a person opens a business realizing that for several years, or even a dozen or a half, it will be unprofitable?

                      Naturally. Especially if we are talking about a business that involves a large contribution to scientific and technological development and infrastructure.

                      I directly presented a picture of how such a businessman brings a business plan to the bank and asks for a loan.

                      That's exactly what happens. If a businessman asks for money from investors or from a bank, the investment project always includes both the predicted payback and the probability that the business will never pay off at all. Therefore, investors are diversifying their investment portfolio, investing money in several projects at once, because only a small part of them will bring profit. Whether you can imagine it or not.

                      Oh yeah!!!! I suppose the question of stable demand is quite a controversial feel, all the more the trust of buyers, since it is difficult to name a quick payback that began to appear after 15 years.

                      So I'm talking about that, that at the time of Tesla's opening there was neither infrastructure nor stable mass demand for electric cars - therefore, for a long time the company was at a loss.

                      When the company won the trust of a mass buyer (there was a large and stable demand), and created a more or less developed infrastructure, profit appeared, which has been holding for the second year.

                      Chubais, or rather, under him, they began to release nanotubes. Interestingly, even extremely lazy feet wiped everything about Chubais, and Musk is a super effective manager winked

                      I, if anything, have nothing against Chubais and Rusnano. I just don't really follow what Rusnano enterprises produce. If under him they began to produce something that is in demand and is actively used in industry - honor and praise to him.
                      1. 123
                        123
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                        9 December 2020 18: 57
                        Depending on the nature of the business, its recoupment can come in general within 3-4 decades. There is nothing surprising.

                        What a touching loyalty good And really, what are we? think 30-40 years. Musk was in a hurry. And yet you have so many complaints about Rogozin ... Since what year has he been there in Roscosmos? since 2018? winked

                        That's exactly what happens. If a businessman asks for money from investors or from a bank, the investment project always includes both the predicted payback and the probability that the business will never pay off at all. Therefore, investors are diversifying their investment portfolio, investing money in several projects at once, because only a small part of them will bring profit. Whether you can imagine it or not.

                        Try an experiment, go to the bank and ask for money for a project with a payback period of 40 years. It's so simple, for sure bankers will tear each other to shreds for such a client laughing
                        Some citizens eat up a bald patch for the Power of Siberia, they suspect that it will pay off in just 40 years and say how awful it is. Apparently I'm not the only one with a weak imagination.
                        And here they are talking about the terrible Gazprom, the recoupment of the pipe of which can stretch from 4-8 years to 15 years.

                        https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/05/12/85350-bolshe-chem-truba

                        I, if anything, have nothing against Chubais and Rusnano. I just don't really follow what Rusnano enterprises produce. If under him they began to produce something that is in demand and is actively used in industry - honor and praise to him.

                        I have long noticed your favor for various kinds of rogues.
                      2. Cyril
                        Cyril
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                        9 December 2020 19: 20
                        And really, what are we? think 30-40 years. Musk was still in a hurry. And at the same time, you have so many complaints about Rogozin ... Since what year has he been there in Roscosmos? since 2018? winked

                        Firstly, Rogozin came to a ready-made organization, with a ready-made infrastructure and production facilities, with a high and stable demand for the organization's services. He didn't need to create it from scratch.

                        Musk (if we are talking about Tesla) had to create from scratch both the main product and the infrastructure, and win the trust of consumers, and create a stable loyal demand.

                        Secondly, my claims specifically against Rogozin are not connected with his organizational activities at Roscosmos, but with often unfounded statements.

                        Try an experiment, go to the bank and ask for money for a project with a payback period of 40 years. It's so simple, for sure bankers will tear each other to shreds for such a client

                        If I have a large industrial project (involving the creation of a developed infrastructure, new production facilities, etc.) with reasonable payback and the means of achieving it - there will be investments.

                        Naturally, if I come to the bank just with a speculative idea and an unconfirmed predicted payback, they will send me

                        I do not understand what you tried to prove with this "argument".

                        Some citizens eat up a bald patch for the Power of Siberia, they suspect that it will pay off in just 40 years and say how awful it is. Apparently I'm not the only one with a weak imagination.

                        With regard to the Power of Siberia, they are eating up the bald spot because its implementation was through one place. As it turned out, the field from which the main gas intake was planned was estimated incorrectly. There were also mistakes with the initial interest of the Chinese in Russian gas. And all this against the background of the fact that Power of Siberia was positioned as geopolitical a project that will fundamentally change the relationship between Russia and the West, that it will help Russia not to depend on Western buyers of Russian resources.

                        As a result, it turned out that the Chinese are not particularly keen on buying Russian gas in the original volumes, and the gas from the Chayandinskoye field itself is not enough for the original purposes (therefore, one more field will have to be connected), etc.

                        Tesla is doing things, albeit not without problems, but steadily on the rise. Sales are growing, the company has shown a stable profit for 2 years.

                        I have long noticed your favor for various kinds of rogues.

                        I have no inclination for rogues.
                      3. 123
                        123
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                        9 December 2020 20: 58
                        If I have a large industrial project (involving the creation of a developed infrastructure, new production facilities, etc.) with a reasonable payback and the means to achieve it, there will be investments.
                        Naturally, if I come to the bank just with a speculative idea and an unconfirmed predicted payback, they will send me
                        I do not understand what you tried to prove with this "argument".

                        If you come to a bank with a project with such a payback period, I'm afraid the first thing they will think about is whether you will live to see this happy day.

                        With regard to the Power of Siberia, they are eating up the bald spot because its implementation was through one place. As it turned out, the field from which the main gas intake was planned was estimated incorrectly. There were also mistakes with the initial interest of the Chinese in Russian gas. And all this against the background of the fact that Power of Siberia was positioned as a geopolitical project that would fundamentally change relations between Russia and the West, that it would help Russia not to depend on Western buyers of Russian resources.

                        As a result, it turned out that the Chinese are not particularly keen on buying Russian gas in the original volumes, and the gas from the Chayandinskoye field itself is not enough for the original purposes (therefore, one more field will have to be connected), etc.

                        Again twenty-five ... how long can you talk about this? First, the gas pipeline should not be considered separately from the entire system, however, as the Chayadinskoye field.
                        One small detail, the gas pipeline does not end at the border. Do you think the Chinese are also mistaken about their own interest in Russian gas? Do you think they continue to build gas pipelines on their own territory just out of sports interest?
                        As for the deposit, look at your leisure, take 90 minutes. Maybe your point of view "on what and how it turned out" will change somewhat.

                2. monman
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                  9 December 2020 16: 47
                  Maybe so. it's just a company that has been operating at a loss for 16 years .... And we scold Chubais for Rusnano ..

                  123, do not pretend - you know perfectly well whose money Musk (his and his investors) and Chubais (your personal) spends.
                  1. 123
                    123
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                    9 December 2020 18: 15
                    123, do not pretend - you know perfectly well whose money Musk (his and his investors) and Chubais (your personal) spends.

                    Yes, in the know about investors in civilian clothes Yes And why the reporting is closed, too, we guess. And we also know how to draw conclusions about the relationship between a sharp increase in capitalization and the anomalous activity of the Fed in the production of paper products. You have wonderful investors, they are ready to endure 15 years winked However, if there is a choice between Tesla and shale gas, it may make sense to take a closer look at the mask laughing
                    1. Cyril
                      Cyril
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                      9 December 2020 19: 26
                      Yes, in the course about investors in civilian clothes yes And why the reporting is closed, too, we guess.

                      According to Tesla (you compared Chubais with her), the financial statements are quite open. And the investors there are quite civil. the military is not involved in this project.
                      1. 123
                        123
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                        9 December 2020 20: 59
                        According to Tesla (you compared Chubais with her), the financial statements are quite open. And the investors there are quite civil. the military is not involved in this project.

                        I did not mean Tesla, otherwise I would not talk about closed reporting.
                      2. Cyril
                        Cyril
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                        9 December 2020 22: 03
                        Well, so with you and in this thread they are talking about "Tesla". More precisely, they respond to your own commentary, where you compared Tesla to Rusnano.

                        And you jumped back to SpaceX.

                        However, the closeness of SpaceX in no way indicates that the company is unprofitable. This is not a joint-stock company, whose shares are offered for free sale. Investors who invest in SpaceX receive the necessary financial data from Musk. And if they continue to invest in the company, it means that they are quite satisfied with the data.
    2. monman
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      9 December 2020 17: 21
      Well, at least one project from Musk is profitable. True, the data is closed, do not check. Gentlemen take their word for it.

      123, you are trying on the business of a seller of yuzany cars in Russia to Musk's business.
      Try it like the Forbes business magazine does:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawkins/2020/10/23/elon-musks-spacex-gets-bullish-100-billion-valuation-from-morgan-stanley-double-what-investors-said-it-was-worth-in-august/?sh=3cbef9e86e79

      While Morgan Stanley estimates SpaceX at $ 12bn and its unproven point-to-point space travel at $ 9bn, the bank has raised the assessed value of Starlink (also unconfirmed) to a whopping $ 81bn, up from $ 42bn, based on the revised estimate. potential subscribers from 235 million to 364 million worldwide by 2040.

      The business of SpaceX is invested by Google's money, banks, pension funds. Not a state.
      In Russia, this is incomprehensible - there are state money, and the scale of business is very small, under a microscope, the size of a pug. Therefore, your statement is adjusted to the pug - you do not see the scale ...
      1. 123
        123
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        9 December 2020 18: 22
        you are trying on the business of a seller of yuzany cars in Russia to the business of Musk.

        How scrupulous we are belay Means yuzanye rockets vtyuhivat this beauty, and machines yuzanye means fu, fu, fu?

        Try it like the Forbes business magazine does:

        Also to me authorities. What assessment does Vestnik Uryupinsk give? smile
        I mean, why should I blindly trust everything? You there yourself appreciated the first economy of the world. In 2008, everything was great about the ratings and ratings.
  2. monman
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    9 December 2020 17: 00
    Consequently, the figure of the Russian space agency is more than one and a half times inferior to the American private company.

    An absolutely stupid comparison. Both Musk and Roscosmos launch as many times as the launch services have been sold. Marketing
    SpaceX is dozens of times ahead of Roskosmos, so if Roscosmos wants to compete with Musk, it must do something about the price. And quality.
    1. 123
      123
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      9 December 2020 18: 26
      An absolutely stupid comparison. Both Musk and Roscosmos launch as many times as the launch services have been sold. Marketing
      SpaceX is dozens of times ahead of Roskosmos, so if Roscosmos wants to compete with Musk, it must do something about the price. And quality.

      You haven't got excited a dozen times? winked If he wants .... Should .... you would adjust the ambition settings there, cut the wick or something.
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