What is the advantage of Russian exoskeletons over American


Despite the fact that this year Russian troops received 18 sets of the new Ratnik combat equipment, work is already underway on the next generation of equipment, which focuses on the exoskeleton.


What will be the equipment of the Russian soldier of the future, and how do our solutions differ from the American ones? Let's figure it out.

To date, the Pentagon has as many as three operational prototype robotic exoskeletons.

The most practical of them is the HULC, which is a titanium frame with active hydraulic boosters and control via an on-board computer and a system of tactile sensors. Such equipment allows you to carry a load of 90 kg practically without restricting walking. But its battery capacity is only enough for 24 hours.

Another project called XOS-2, thanks to advanced hydraulic drives and sophisticated electronics, allows lifting up to 200 kg. But he himself weighs 92 kg and requires external power.

Finally, the third option is the TALOS project, in which more than $ 300 million has already been invested. However, today there is only its exhibition concept.

Russia, unlike the United States, has focused on passive designs that do not require external or wearable power supplies.

Our project, called EO-1, allows the soldier to maintain full mobility and at the same time work with weights up to 50 kg. Domestic exoskeleton, developed by specialists from the Institute of Engineering Troops named after Karbyshev, is already completing preliminary tests, including in combat conditions in Syria.

At the same time, due to the absence of the need for power supply, our equipment is able to function indefinitely. Therefore, today it is the most advanced in the world for real use.

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  1. Dmitry Donskoy Offline Dmitry Donskoy
    Dmitry Donskoy (Dmitry Donskoy) 9 December 2020 14: 16
    -2
    Springs are cool and more modern. And the robot that turned out to be a suit with Aliexpress, it will also be interesting in the future
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 14: 24
      +1
      When you break your spine, then you will argue how much better the springs are than the exoskeleton. For some, the exoskeleton is the only chance to get on their feet and not be chained to a wheelchair.
    2. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) 9 December 2020 14: 37
      +1
      Springs are cool and more modern. And the robot that turned out to be a suit with Aliexpress, it will also be interesting in the future

      What's wrong? Nice suit, kids like it.



      There is no shortage of projects, enthusiasts collect them even using the "dendro-fecal" method and it turns out not badly.

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  2. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 14: 44
    -1
    At the same time, due to the absence of the need for power supply, our equipment is able to function indefinitely. Therefore, today it is the most advanced in the world for real use.

    This is a strange conclusion. Passive models can work for an unlimited time, but they also lift much less load. Compare the 50 kg maximum load for the Russian ex and 90 kg for the "weakest" American?

    Charging the American one is enough for 24 hours - that is, a whole day. More, in fact, is not needed - a person in any case needs to sleep, unlimited time no one works. While the person is resting, the battery is recharged. If it's really hot, then the discharged battery can simply be replaced with a charged one - and continue to work.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 14: 56
      +1
      And they will probably charge in a hotel room? In combat conditions, it is possible that you will not be able to sleep and the charging station will not drive up. And even the motor will break in the most inappropriate place.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy Offline Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy (Dmitry Donskoy) 9 December 2020 15: 10
        0
        And where do they wage trench warfare far from supply
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 15: 12
          +1
          In trench warfare, an exoskeleton is not needed. Will he hang 90 kilos of cartridges on himself? Exoskeleton for carrying equipment.
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      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 15: 12
        -2
        In combat conditions, they simply carry a second set of charged batteries.

        And even the motor will break in the most inappropriate place.

        A passive ex also has something to break - so what?
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 15: 17
          +1
          And I see you have already used the American kit in battle. Did you prevent beetles from attacking the ground? laughing Maybe they also carry a spare avatar? laughing
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 15: 46
            -3
            And I see you have already used the American kit in battle. Did you prevent beetles from attacking the ground?

            Have you used Russian?
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 15: 47
              +1
              Believe it or not, I have the brains to understand why, where and how the exoskeleton is used, and not sing the praises of an overseas idol.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 15: 51
                -3
                You won't believe, I have brains.

                I can't believe it yet.

                to understand why, where and how the exoskeleton is used

                Both the Russian passive and the American active exoskeletons are designed for the same purposes and are used in a similar manner.

                and not sing the praises of an overseas idol.

                Nobody sings any praises. I just called the conclusion in the article strange, made on a comparison by only one criterion (autonomous power supply time), while one of the main criteria (carrying capacity) in this conclusion was ignored.
                1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 15: 54
                  +1
                  It is interesting to imagine an American in this motorized armored vehicle in a trench))))
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 16: 12
                    -2
                    Why present? You can see:


                    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 16: 16
                      +3
                      Something I do not see fortified positions where you can recharge and change the kit.
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 16: 19
                        -3
                        Something I do not see fortified positions where you can recharge and change the kit.

                        I gave you these photos as an answer to this:

                        Interesting to imagine American in this moto-armored trench))))

                        And there is no need to replace the entire kit - you just need to replace the battery with a new one. The battery can be carried in a duffel bag.

                        and the photo shows a passive exoskeleton.

                        This is the HULC - the active exoskeleton referred to in the article.
                      2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 16: 22
                        +1
                        or you can not carry two batteries and then you will not need to have such an exoskeleton
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 16: 23
                        -1
                        Yes, you can. But then you can lift not 90 kg, but only 50.
                      4. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 16: 26
                        0
                        He also lifts the battery ... not on an outstretched arm of 90 kg, but in a knapsack.
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 16: 31
                        0
                        The battery even in the first version of this exoskeleton weighed no more than 2 kg.

                        not on an outstretched arm of 90 kg, but in a knapsack.

                        So 50 kg of the carrying capacity of the Russian exam is taken not by the "outstretched arm".

                        Nobody wears anything on an outstretched arm, it's just silly.
                      6. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 16: 34
                        +1
                        When this hulk runs in real combat, and not in Hollywood, then it will be possible to discuss further. so far this is a Tony Stark-style commercial.
                      7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 16: 36
                        -3
                        When this hulk runs in real combat, and not in Hollywood, then it will be possible to discuss further. so far this is a Tony Stark-style commercial.

                        An experimental batch of this exoskeleton was sent to Afghanistan.

                        Counter question - have you seen how the Russian copy is used in a "real battle"?
                      8. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 16: 39
                        +4
                        in Afghanistan, Americans do not go outside the fence. and move in convoys.
                      9. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 9 December 2020 16: 41
                        -3
                        Yes, yes, yes, yes.
                      10. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 17: 05
                        +3
                        I did not find anything about the tests in Afghanistan. only dreams and fantasies from 2010. And about the fact that the developer received practically no money.

                        https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/search.html?q=hulc
  • Dear sofa expert. 9 December 2020 17: 43
    +3
    In combat conditions, they simply carry a second set of charged batteries.

    The battery pack weighs 3,6kg. two sets - 7,2 kg. Plus the weight of the "Hulk" itself = 24 kg!

    Yes, sometimes such a thing is very necessary. As correctly noted -simpleCat-

    Exoskeleton for carrying equipment.

    (eg in the mountains).
    In other situations, it itself becomes a "piece of equipment" that needs to be carried.

    The weight of the Russian ES is only 6 kg! The difference is obvious.

    A passive ex also has something to break - so what?

    But nothing. The passive has one weak link - mechanics.
    The active has mechanics and electronics.
    If you can somehow get along / repair with mechanics in the field, in the end, but not, so carry 6 kg. further, then the active one, under certain conditions (for example - frost), will become a 30 kilogram piece of iron - ballast, which will simply have to be thrown away, in order to have the strength, to drag the prescribed 90 kg. load.
  • cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 9 December 2020 17: 32
    -3
    In combat conditions, it is possible that you will not be able to sleep and the charging station will not drive up.

    And what are the "combat conditions" for the daily refueling of aircraft with weapons? Or does the army rest in peacetime? And if there are thousands of these aircraft (including aircraft carriers)?
    Or do you, in Russia, protect the health of only combatants, and in peacetime, service personnel can break backs / arms / legs?
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 17: 39
      +2
      Garik, an article about combat gear, not exoskeletons for loaders. you can even buy one for yourself, carry tangerines around the market.
      1. cmonman Offline cmonman
        cmonman (Garik Mokin) 9 December 2020 18: 01
        -3
        Garik, an article about combat gear, not about exoskeletons for loaders.

        So amerskaya SEAL is no different from them, movers! Carrying 90kg on yourself for a long distance to perform BZ is very good! And the speed is 11 km / h on mountainous terrain and 16 km / h on the plain!

        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 18: 16
          +1
          Is this where the seals play the role of movers? On board an aircraft carrier? Or in battle, and this is no longer "peacetime".
          1. cmonman Offline cmonman
            cmonman (Garik Mokin) 9 December 2020 19: 01
            -1
            Is this where the seals play the role of movers?

            Yes! By the amount of cargo that is on them! And 16 km / hour on the plain - with a load! And 11 km / hour in the mountains - with a load!
            Have you watched a movie?
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 9 December 2020 19: 36
              0
              Another example of Cameron's "Avatar" laughing
    2. Dear sofa expert. 9 December 2020 18: 23
      +3
      And what are the "combat conditions" for the daily refueling of aircraft with weapons?

      Are the planes on the front line refueled?)

      and in peacetime the service personnel can break their backs / arms / legs?

      And in peacetime a soldier (or what "personnel" are you talking about?) Is engaged in physical training. Well .. so .. in case the exoskeleton breaks))
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 9 December 2020 16: 32
    +2
    I do not know how for whom, but for me it is immediately obvious that ours is simply brilliant. And what is there to argue about? You just have to admire the work of our designers and say THANKS!
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 9 December 2020 20: 34
      +1
      The title of the article is simply haphazard, no, to name it more objectively: the difference between ..., because each product has both strengths and weaknesses. According to the exoskeleton, the direction of the fighter's mobility suggests itself: fast running with sufficient weight, jumping to height and length, fast crawling, overcoming vertical obstacles with the help of anchor drills, etc. ... The road is long, but already necessary for exoskeletons in both peace and military affairs ...
  • greenchelman Offline greenchelman
    greenchelman (Grigory Tarasenko) 10 December 2020 00: 14
    0
    If "Sonar-2050" releases a video, then in 90% of cases to cover up a real problem ... the guys have such a job ...

    Russian developers have problems with the creation of batteries for the exoskeleton of the future soldier "Sotnik". This was stated by the head of "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov at a press conference.
    “A serviceman using an active exoskeleton is capable of carrying up to 60 kilograms of cargo. Energy consumption during running and walking is reduced by 15%, the load on the musculoskeletal system - by 50%. The accuracy of firing from automatic weapons is increased up to 20%, ”Chemezov said.

    And this is a real and very serious problem! "Warrior" is yesterday. In "single-breasted now no one is at war")))
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 December 2020 10: 33
    0
    You are all right !!!

    However, you can look at the similarity with other directions
    So, the Americans for a long time developed caterpillar "porters", "dogs" with cross-country ability and almost never did with weapons. (according to media reports and reviews). Only recently have they realized it.
    Ours are exactly the opposite. We have developed a bunch of models of controlled different-sized "mini-terminators", and almost never heard of transport robots.

    So it is here. Amers - obviously to carry something heavy.

    Ours - "no money, but you hold on." armor + something like a tourist frame of rigidity (they wrote that it is already on sale for tourists / mushroom pickers, etc.).
    Those. as with savage tourists - bring it yourself. Naturally, from new materials, with pribluds, etc.
    At exhibitions I saw, on soldiers in real life somehow not ...
  • Praskovya Offline Praskovya
    Praskovya (Praskovya) 7 January 2021 02: 27
    0
    Oh, these tales!
    Oh, these storytellers.