Crimea became a nuclear target for the United States


Along with Kaliningrad, Crimea is the main area of ​​Russia's confrontation with NATO. If during the Cold War Soviet patrol ships had to literally squeeze foreign warships out of our Black Sea waters, now the situation is complicated by the status of the peninsula, which is not quite defined from the point of view of international law. Undoubtedly, the militarization of the region will only grow in the future.


Interestingly, NATO considers only the Kremlin to be the source of all problems:

Russia continues to violate the territorial integrity of Georgia and Ukraine, continues to build up its military power in Crimea and is increasingly deploying forces in the Black Sea region.

Indeed, an entire army corps, an air defense division and an air force have been deployed in Crimea, the shores are covered by the Bal and Bastion missile systems. The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy is based in Sevastopol, equipped with Kalibr cruise missiles, and the Tor-M2 air defense system is covering the sky over the peninsula from the threat of attack UAVs from a potential enemy. However, in Brussels, cause and effect are confused.

Even the so-called “annexation” of Crimea by Russia was in many ways a defensive step. Before the events of 2014, the United States showed an increased interest in the peninsula, delegations of American specialists, with the permission of Kiev, repeatedly studied the possibilities of the Soviet submarine base in Balaklava. During the presidency of President Barack Obama, the Pentagon hatched plans to expel Russians from Crimea and turn it into a huge intelligence center, and Sevastopol - into a naval base for the US Navy, writes the American Herald Tribune:

This is one of the best harbors in the world. But the whole of Crimea is of great strategic importance if you want to attack Russia. Crimea is important for controlling other countries, including Iran and Turkey. As the saying goes, the one who controls Crimea controls the Black Sea as well.

In the future, nuclear weapons could be deployed in Sevastopol, which should have become a source of permanent threat to Moscow and key objects of the military infrastructure of the RF Ministry of Defense. In this context, the return of Crimea by Russia cannot be considered anything other than an act of self-defense. But the story of the nuclear threat from the south, alas, did not end there.

So, on May 29, several B-1B Lancer strategic bombers took off from an airbase in the United States, flew over the territory of the European allies and ended up over the Black Sea. On the final stretch of the route, they were demonstratively accompanied by Ukrainian Su-27 fighters. On board each American "strategist" were AGM-158C Long Range Anti-Ship Missile missiles, the range of which reaches almost a thousand kilometers. It is clear that they pose a great threat to our Black Sea Fleet. But we must remember that the B-1B Lancer was created as a carrier of nuclear weapons, up to 24 hydrogen bombs B61 or B63. This supersonic bomber is specially designed for low-altitude penetration of air defense systems. It's not hard to imagine what just one such plane can do.

And this is far from the only demonstration of a nuclear threat from the United States. In early September, two US Air Force strategic bombers B-52H Stratofortress took to the skies from an American airbase in Great Britain and, with Kiev's permission, entered Ukrainian airspace, where they defiantly flew up to Crimea at a distance of 40 kilometers. Despite their venerable age, B-52Hs still form the backbone of the Pentagon's long-range aviation, they are capable of carrying both conventional bombs and precision weapons, and, of course, nuclear. So is it any wonder that after such demonstrations, the RF Ministry of Defense is continuously pumping up the defensive potential of Crimea and the entire southwestern border of Russia?
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  1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 6 December 2020 11: 23
    -4
    Strange.
    From the point of view of international law .... the status of Crimea is unclear .... is this what I read? The UN resolution already weighs nothing?
    And about "control of Turkey and Iran" ... well, perhaps through GoogleMaps.
    1. Mars Offline Mars
      Mars (Mars) 6 December 2020 13: 00
      +5
      international law is a relative thing, from the point of view of world law and such an option is spelled out in it, the population of Crimea decided its own fate. Russian soldiers were there and legally. Everything passed peacefully and legally. But in Yugoslavia, not, not peacefully and at all, and the words Anexia are applicable there. Take the example of Northern Cyprus. So ours did the right thing. And the opinion of Europe and the squeals from the United States are clear to them, this is not beneficial. But where they go, only to reconcile remains. The United States and the Anglo-Saxons comply with world legislation when it is beneficial to them, they have invented it themselves, and they comply when necessary.
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 7 December 2020 00: 29
        -5
        There is nothing relative there. Some things are crystal clear and immutable. As a last resort, the majority opinion, this is the law.
        The UN resolution on the current status of Crimea was supported by more than a hundred countries, and these are serious players.
        So, there is no need to twist and talk. The opinion of the population (part?) Is not spelled out anywhere, do not distort. There is a NATION's right to self-determination. The crowd of retired political officers of the SA is not a nation, and does not even try to call itself that.
        The soldiers, yes, they were legally, but they seized government buildings, it was completely illegal ... will you deny? There are a lot of photos and videos online.
        Don't go to Yugoslavia, there is no smell of annexation there. Or, did I miss something and the Kosovar army entered Serbia?
        Leave Cyprus too, this is not about it. In addition, there are actually TWO completely different people.
        Well, right so right. You have to live with it now.
        1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
          Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 7 December 2020 02: 23
          0
          Not satisfied with the first option.
          Here is the second one.
          This is the right of the strong.
          And your destiny is to endure. This is the fate of all limitrophes.
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2020 08: 59
          -2
          Quote: ODRAP
          The opinion of the population (part?) Is not spelled out anywhere, do not distort. There is a NATION's right to self-determination. The crowd of retired political officers of the SA is not a nation, and does not even try to call itself that.

          Cool interpretation of the past popular referendum in Crimea.
          1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
            ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 10
            -3
            Would you be so kind as to explain what laws or articles of the Constitution regulate the conduct of a referendum?
            And about the "national", plz, do not, - the population of a particular area is not a people. The maximum is part of it.
            Will there be a link to the Law?
        3. Lucifer67S Offline Lucifer67S
          Lucifer67S (Viktor Schmidt) 7 December 2020 14: 01
          +2
          Krim bil otvoevan u turkov Rossiyskoy Imperiey i poetomu po pravu prinadlegit russkim.Istoriju ne perepishite i ne razivayte rot na chugoe-Krim bil, budet i ostanetsja RUSSKIM!
    2. Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 6 December 2020 13: 57
      -3
      In this context, the return of Crimea by Russia cannot be considered anything other than an act of self-defense.

      ... And what is not clear here - from a drink he stuffed his brother's face, and when the police came, he said that he beat him solely for the purpose of self-defense ... am
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 6 December 2020 14: 29
        +3
        Crimea was surrendered quietly and peacefully by conspiracy, complete with the wrong electorate. Who beat someone in the face? You saw it. And now Ukraine can pretend: "I'm not guilty! He came himself!" (FROM). I mean, Putin.
        Why didn't they shoot? The homeland must be defended with arms in hand. Moreover, in Crimea there was someone to defend. But they didn't.
        1. Lucifer67S Offline Lucifer67S
          Lucifer67S (Viktor Schmidt) 7 December 2020 14: 03
          +1
          Tak eto ne ih Rodina i nikogda eju ne bila, poetomu i nezashishali da i voobshe rodini u nih net, vse chto bilo, to prodali zapadu.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 7 December 2020 14: 05
            0
            Well, yes, the freebie has come, the freebie has gone ...
          2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
            ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 18
            -3
            Is this really the homeland of the Russians ?!
            Ayyay, but the men didn't even know ...
    3. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 6 December 2020 14: 22
      +4
      The UN Security Council resolution still means something. And for a long time no one cares about the UN resolution.
      Yugoslavia was bombed without UN sanction, that is, in violation of the UN Charter and international law.
      What is now to pretend to be a girl after the fifth abortion?
      There was a referendum in Crimea. Observers were invited. Don't go? Well, who is the doctor to you?
      Was there a referendum in Kosovo? I don’t remember something.
      Therefore, you should not try to look more stupid than you really are.
      And about the control of Turkey and Iran, this is a respected American publication writes, there are claims to it.
      But he writes fairly. If from the Crimea Caliber and X-101/102 cover the territory of Turkey and Iran, then there is some control. Although, with regard to Crimea, control of southern Europe is more important. And Turkey and Iran (Iraq, Israel, etc.) can be obtained from Mozdok, from the Caspian Sea ..
    4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2020 08: 58
      -2
      De facto Crimea is Russian. From the point of view of international law, Crimea is Ukrainian. From the point of view of Russian law, it is Russian. This is called a legal conflict, there is such a legal term.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 7 December 2020 14: 35
        +1
        In international law, there are two opposing concepts: territorial inviolability and the right of peoples to self-determination. The priority has the right of peoples to self-determination.
        That is why all impacts on Crimea are limited to sanctions, which, by definition, are illegal. Only the UN can impose sanctions.
        It is not legal concepts that operate, but the law of the strong. Until the strong grow weak And this is already happening. I have already cited the example of Great Britain more than once. Now the situation with the non-recognition of the US president is very interesting. Putin did not recognize anyone at all. And it seems to me that his recognition, after the orgy with the elections, will not cost the United States cheap.
        And China (and India) recognized, specifically, Biden. Despite the fact that the president, it seems, will be Trump. Their recognition will cost the United States a lot too.
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 21
          -3
          Not peoples, but nations .... you twist.
          What is the name of a nation that has determined itself in Crimea?
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 6 December 2020 11: 47
    +3
    It's all clear.
    But that the ex-president of Ukraine, hiding in Rostov, wanted to surrender the Crimea to the Amers and did not renegotiate the base agreement with Russia - this speaks volumes.
  3. Dmitry Donskoy Offline Dmitry Donskoy
    Dmitry Donskoy (Dmitry Donskoy) 6 December 2020 11: 55
    +1
    Very funny
  4. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 6 December 2020 11: 59
    +1
    Ukraine has become for them a suitcase without a handle. No sense, more worries. So they fly, they want to push it to our balance sheet, so that our economy really collapses.
    But about a bomber with bombs - this is the past millennium. Will it fly far from the border? Just give a reason for war?
    1. Mars Offline Mars
      Mars (Mars) 6 December 2020 13: 01
      +3
      They just want to make sure they can now fly, even with old bombers, over the country where they staged a coup.
    2. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 6 December 2020 15: 20
      0
      "A suitcase without a handle" is not Ukraine, but Crimea (4,5% of its territory) and another problem region for Russia.
      And Ukraine for NATO is the biggest acquisition since the founding of this bloc. Its potential and the opening opportunities for NATO can hardly be overestimated. It is just as difficult to fully assess the amount of Russia's losses in connection with the loss of Ukraine.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 6 December 2020 15: 37
        0
        Unproven.
        Ukraine was needed for two purposes:
        - its full-scale conflict with the Russian Federation,
        - NATO base in Crimea.
        Neither one nor the other came true. The rest is husk.
        And the former Canadian ambassador to Ukraine has publicly removed his pants from Western policy towards Ukraine. Now it will be impossible to portray the righteous.
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 7 December 2020 00: 34
          -4
          Now a full-scale conflict with half the World.
          Now the NATO base is in Ochakov. And not only.:)))
          Crimea was the pretext. The smell of cheese in a mousetrap.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 7 December 2020 00: 43
            +5
            Now a full-scale conflict with half the World.

            A full-scale conflict is a war.
            The base in Ochakov is funny. But in Crimea, that is our base.
            And the sanctions are starting to unfold. Latvia crept up, squealing.
            In the summer, the WB offered to improve relations, but was sent until the charges against the Skripals, Litvinenko, etc. were dropped (as unfounded). And they need a good relationship with Putin. We tried to put pressure through Karabakh - it turned out crooked. Putin will get tougher.
            Now Putin will be the last to recognize the US president. The image of the United States has sunk to the baseboard, and Putin will also wipe his feet.
            Germany is coming up with options on how to get around the JV 2 sanctions.
            Well, about half of the world - as always, an exaggeration.
            1. sergpol73 Offline sergpol73
              sergpol73 (Sergey The same) 7 December 2020 06: 59
              -3
              Why did such a great PUTIN'S policy fail everywhere? In space, Russia has already abandoned the ISS; in aviation, Russia has not even been able to build a fifth-generation fighter for ten years. India realized that Russia is a pure bluff in creating a good combat aircraft, in tank building, too, a complete collapse, in science and education, Putin's failure, even medicine has shown its widespread ability to not cope with the pandemic. receiving 52 thousand rubles a month salary !! Inside Russia, there is discord and tension, the population is poor, a working person receives a beggarly salary of 20 thousand rubles for his labor, and they are lying to us insolently that 52 thousand rubles! Prices for food products have increased by 15% in recent years alone, and they lie to us that inflation is minimal, no more than 6%, as is unemployment. The politics of lies and corruption is what Putinism is in Russia. All countries of the world have put forward sanctions against Russia because of aggression, rudeness and rudeness in international relations. How to understand this?
  5. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 6 December 2020 13: 56
    +3
    If during the Cold War period Soviet patrol ships had to literally squeeze foreign warships out of our Black Sea water area, but now the situation is complicated by the status of the peninsula, which is not quite defined from the point of view of international law.

    And how does it complicate the situation? Do you think that in the event of a border violation, measures similar to the period of the Cold War cannot be applied? That is, you propose to take into account the "opposite" position, they say they think differently, so is it impossible? Is someone else's opinion on this issue so important to you? Did I understand you correctly sad Congratulations, you are only one step away from the recognition of Crimea as Ukrainian winked
    1. sergpol73 Offline sergpol73
      sergpol73 (Sergey The same) 7 December 2020 06: 46
      -4
      And you say that "Krymnash"? Crimea became the discord of the Slavic world and the beginning of the disintegration of Russia. It remains to be seen how Putin's Russia will end. And the prospect with such a policy - to steal and hide safely, is very bad. It is Putin who is the basis of the discord of all Slavic peoples from Poles, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Slovaks, etc., with the Russians. It was the aggression of Russia that all Slavs entered the NATO bloc. And this is the merit of Putin. It was intended that way.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 7 December 2020 10: 25
        +3
        Crimea became the discord of the Slavic world and the beginning of the disintegration of Russia.

        And when Khrushchev handed Crimea over to another state, a UN member - Ukraine, and eliminated those who disagreed, or sent them into exile, is this not a discord of the Slavic world? And there is no need to talk about a united USSR. In a single EU, the French are unlikely to give Corsica to the Italians, and the Italians Sardinia to the French.
      2. Lucifer67S Offline Lucifer67S
        Lucifer67S (Viktor Schmidt) 7 December 2020 14: 57
        +1
        kakoy agressii? O chem ti paren bredish? Moy tebe sovet ne pey alkohol po utram i ne kuri travku, togda vse budet norm.
      3. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 7 December 2020 15: 02
        +1
        And you say that "Krymnash"?

        Yes yes

        Crimea became the discord of the Slavic world and the beginning of the disintegration of Russia.

        Really? belay That is, until 2014 there was a friendly Slavic family? Have we quarreled with the Poles? belay I don't see any decay request Are you talking about our reality?

        It remains to be seen how Putin's Russia will end.

        We know what, prosperity wink Putin will retire, there will be a new president, life will gradually continue to improve, and Russia ... they are 1000 years old Russia and the same amount will be.

        It is Putin who is the basis of the discord of all Slavic peoples from Poles, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Slovaks, etc., with the Russians.

        You will not believe it, but we have no discord with the Slavic peoples, even with the Czechs and Ukrainians. "Conflict situation" exclusively with pan-headed followers of Nazism and other huskies.

        It was the aggression of Russia that all Slavs joined the NATO bloc.

        Firstly, not all Slavs joined NATO, moreover, hardly any of them will join there, therefore your statement is not true. And I don't see any point in discussing the reason for the failure of the event. No.

        And this is the merit of Putin. It was intended that way.

        You would tie with cannabis, it is harmful. Get well hi
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2020 08: 55
      -1
      Quote: 123
      That is, you propose to take into account the "opposite" position, they say they think differently, so it is impossible? Is someone else's opinion on this issue so important to you? I understood you correctly.Congratulations, you have only one step left to recognize Crimea as Ukrainian

      Don't attribute to me what I didn't write, ok? wink
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 7 December 2020 15: 05
        +1
        Don't attribute to me what I didn't write, ok?

        And I did not attribute No. I have clarified what you mean. since there were no explanations, I can repeat the question yes

        so what complicates the situation in this case

        not quite definite status of the peninsula from the point of view of international law?
  6. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 6 December 2020 20: 50
    +1
    Quote: Mars
    international law is a relative thing, from the point of view of world law and such an option is spelled out in it, the population of Crimea decided its own fate. Russian soldiers were there and legally. Everything passed peacefully and legally. But in Yugoslavia, not, not peacefully and at all, and the words Anexia are applicable there. Take the example of Northern Cyprus. So ours did the right thing. And the opinion of Europe and the squeals from the United States are clear to them, this is not beneficial. But where they go, only to reconcile remains. The United States and the Anglo-Saxons comply with world legislation when it is beneficial to them, they have invented it themselves, and they comply when necessary.

    If not a secret, who annexed whom in Yugoslavia?
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 7 December 2020 00: 37
      -4
      Here, you see, many have a break in the pattern. When they say "Yugoslavia" they mean exclusively Serbia.
      Therefore, on the machine, forcing the Serbs to peace is equated with annexation.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 7 December 2020 00: 46
      +5
      EU and NATO annexed Kosovo. And it gradually comes out sideways.
      1. sergpol73 Offline sergpol73
        sergpol73 (Sergey The same) 7 December 2020 06: 48
        -3
        Who goes sideways? probably the airport in Pristina influenced you greatly. For some reason, all the Balkan countries joined NATO, not Russia.
      2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 26
        -3
        Well, yes.
        The EU and NATO troops were brought in and their governors were put there.
    3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 7 December 2020 10: 27
      +1
      American base in Kosovo - is that enough? America bombed Serbia.
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 27
        -3
        Oh, no longer Yugoslavia, but only Serbia? progressing ...
  7. Pound Offline Pound
    Pound (Alexander) 7 December 2020 04: 35
    +1
    Quote: Igor Pavlovich
    In this context, the return of Crimea by Russia cannot be considered anything other than an act of self-defense.

    ... And what is not clear here - from a drink he stuffed his brother's face, and when the police came, he said that he beat him solely for the purpose of self-defense ... am

    Are these 404 brothers? Do not make me laugh....
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 27
      -3
      Was Russia attacked? Don't tell ...
  8. sergpol73 Offline sergpol73
    sergpol73 (Sergey The same) 7 December 2020 06: 39
    -1
    Crimea should not be a militarized zone of tension, such as "our unsinkable aircraft carrier" and other crap. It should be a free economic zone for the development of health care and tourism, recreation and peace. All military bases must be removed from Crimea, warships and equipment must be excluded from entering Crimea; this must be a zone of pure freedom and good mood free from violence. It would be ideal if Crimea was an open region for all countries with all kinds of weapons strictly prohibited in Crimea. It would not sound bad, "Republic of Crimea" with neutrality and peaceful existence without an army and fleets. Crimea is sufficient as a health resort.
    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 7 December 2020 10: 07
      -1
      Crimea owes you nothing at all.
      And the rest, everything, is the village mriyas. From the category "would be".
      If the grandmother WOULD! apparatus, she WOULD be! grandfather.
    2. Lucifer67S Offline Lucifer67S
      Lucifer67S (Viktor Schmidt) 7 December 2020 15: 03
      +1
      labudu tut pishesh ti, esli bi ne USA i te kto svoju Rodinu predal, to bil bi Krim do sih por kurortom i lechebnicey.
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 15: 18
      +2
      Crimea should not be a militarized zone of tension, such as "our unsinkable aircraft carrier" and other crap. It should be a free economic zone for the development of health care and tourism, recreation and peace. All military bases must be removed from Crimea, warships and equipment must be excluded from entering Crimea; this must be a zone of pure freedom and good mood free from violence. It would be ideal if Crimea was an open region for all countries with all kinds of weapons strictly prohibited in Crimea. It would not sound bad, "Republic of Crimea" with neutrality and peaceful existence without an army and fleets. Crimea is sufficient as a health resort.

      Until 2014, you had the opportunity to realize all these wonderful undertakings. Nothing has been done for this. Now they are being successfully implemented by Russia. Health care and tourism are developing in the peaceful land of Crimea. All Ukrainian military bases have been removed from there, all NATO bases will not be there, as well as the calls of ships and equipment. And the guarantor of a peaceful life in Crimea is the Russian army.
    4. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 7 December 2020 15: 32
      -3
      Great option! Without losing face, change the status of Crimea. With Crimea, Putin drove us into a dead end, that is, Putin was led by the nose like a boy. And to admit it, well, it is in no way possible.
      1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 8 December 2020 05: 49
        -2
        With Crimea, Putin drove us to a dead end

        So you, the evil ukroburatins, should.
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 8 December 2020 10: 25
          -1
          It was he who drove Putin's poverty into a corner with the Crimea. On which money is spent not measuredly, but you personally will not be able to relax there anyway, there will not be enough money.
          1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
            Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 9 December 2020 04: 44
            0
            are you rubbing such game for me, a Crimean man ???))
            1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 9 December 2020 11: 52
              -2
              So you are a Crimean, then I sympathize twice! In Crimea, engineers and doctors are offered 12 - 000, extremely rarely 15. I believe you are not an engineer, and certainly not a doctor. And most likely a barrier worker, or give - bring it to the warehouse, which means the salary is even lower.
              It would be fine if you were broadcasting from Tyumen, St. Petersburg or Moscow, otherwise write comments from the all-Russian "garbage can", with beggarly salaries and without water from the tap.
              A question for you. Do you collect water to wash from a puddle and how do you wash yourself, the whole family, first children, then mom, then dad?
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                1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                  Cudgel (Dubina) 9 December 2020 18: 18
                  -1
                  Oh, I see Pride for the Crimea beats out of you like a stream!
                  So they still did not answer, where do you get the water from, from puddles or do you buy 5 liters of "Shishkin Les"?

                  ... I will not persuade you that ..

                  - write then that you are a local, Crimean super-entrepreneur with an annual income of millions of rubles. The entire low-paid provincial part of the population turned into jingo-patriots, like, yes, we are up to our ears in shit, but the Greatness of Russia is with us.
                  1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 9 December 2020 19: 16
                    0
                    I like it when such spiteful ... tears to pieces.))
                    I live in one of the mountain valleys.
                    And in the valleys (in any), suddenly !!! rivers, streams, springs flow.
                    Here I have water from the spring, no filters are needed. Purest! Yak slyosa selyuk.))
  9. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 08: 36
    -2
    Quote: ODRAP
    Here, you see, many have a break in the pattern. When they say "Yugoslavia" they mean exclusively Serbia.
    Therefore, on the machine, forcing the Serbs to peace is equated with annexation.

    The term annexation has a very specific meaning, and the SFRY is not Serbia at all.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 30
      -3
      In the same way, there is a difference between the state "Russian Federation" and the country of Russia.
  10. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 08: 38
    0
    Quote: boriz
    EU and NATO annexed Kosovo. And it gradually comes out sideways.

    What is it like? Kosovo, by the way, is not a member of the EU or NATO.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 7 December 2020 10: 30
      -1
      But there is a NATO base in Kosovo.
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 15: 33
      +2
      What is it like? Kosovo, by the way, is not a member of the EU or NATO.

      We have forcibly rejected part of the country's territory during hostilities with the subsequent deployment of a military contingent there. It is more appropriate, of course, to use the term occupation, but is it worth breaking spears on the wording? After all, everyone understood what it was about.
      For example, Georgians consider Abkhazia annexed, although there are no formal grounds for using this term.

      https://www.ekhokavkaza.com/a/30967961.html
  11. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 11: 35
    0
    Quote: Bulanov
    American base in Kosovo - is that enough? America bombed Serbia.

    Russia has bombed facilities in Syria, has a base there ... I do not see annexation.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 14: 04
      0
      For Alex - Excuse me, what objects did Russia bomb in Syria, government, state? Or militant bases?
  12. Igor Korbut Offline Igor Korbut
    Igor Korbut (Igor Korbut) 7 December 2020 13: 13
    -4
    This was and will be an eternal confrontation between NATO and the entire Anglo-Saxon empire, until Russia is torn apart or it becomes their "colony" led by their supporters and vassals ...
    1. Lucifer67S Offline Lucifer67S
      Lucifer67S (Viktor Schmidt) 7 December 2020 15: 05
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      ili Rossija unichtogit polnostju NATO i vseh shavok natovskih.
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 32
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        It will definitely destroy.
        All of them.
        But then.
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 15: 36
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      This was and will be an eternal confrontation between NATO and the entire Anglo-Saxon empire, until Russia is torn apart or it becomes their "colony" led by their supporters and vassals ...

      Russia has been standing for 1 years, and NATO, we have seen all sorts of interest clubs like the Entente.
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 34
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        Peter invented Russia in 1721. Before that, it was the Moscow kingdom (principality).
        By the way, can you remind me what the capital of Russia was called, 1000 years ago?
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 9 December 2020 10: 18
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          Peter invented Russia in 1721. Before that, it was the Moscow kingdom (principality).

          This is the title of Father Peter

          The grace of God, We, the Great Sovereign Tsar and Grand Duke Alexei Mikhailovich of all Great and Little and White Russian autocrat of Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod, the Tsar of Kazan, the King of Astrakhan, the King of Siberia, the Sovereign Pskov and Grand Duke of Lithuania, Smolensk, Tver, Volyn, Podolsk, Ugra, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgarian and others, the Sovereign and Grand Duke of Novogorod Nizovskii land, Chernihiv, Ryazan, Polotsk, Rostov, Yaroslavl, Beloozersk, Udora, Obdorsky, Kondiysky, Vitebsky, Mstislavs cue and all Northern countries, the Lord, and the sovereign of the Iversk land, the Kartalinsky and Georgian Kings, and the Kabardinian lands, Cherkasy and Highland Princes, and many other states and lands, eastern and western and northern, the father and the heir, the heir, the sovereign, and the Owner .

          By the way, can you remind me what the capital of Russia was called, 1000 years ago?

          Yes please yes Enlighten hi

          https://moiarussia.ru/vse-stolitsy-rusi/
          1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
            ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 23: 26
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            Does not open.
            So you do not know.
            1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
              Bulanov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 14: 14
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              Odrap! - If it does not open, then call not from Russia!
              1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                ODRAP (Alexey) 10 December 2020 14: 18
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                I’m not calling. laughing
                I just have a good firewall, every d .... blocks.
                Can you name the capital? Otherwise he is shy ...
            2. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 10 December 2020 15: 19
              +1
              Does not open.
              So you do not know.

              The capitals of Russia were different cities. They say at one time there was Novgorod, and before Ladoga.
              Then Kiev, Vladimir (as far as I understand, some time and Suzdal), Moscow, St. Petersburg, Moscow again.
              I suppose you are only interested in the Kiev period? Perhaps you are right, it's time to return the "old woman" home. In the meantime, you can hang a memorial plaque - Here was the capital of Russia. Forgive us, prince, we polymerized everything.
              1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                ODRAP (Alexey) 10 December 2020 23: 13
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                The first time I hear that from the state, at the same time! Karl !, there were several capitals.
                The above-mentioned points have never declared that they are the capitals of a foreign state, often hostile.
                You can, of course, continue to cling to someone else's story. Borscht is already Russian soup, has Ali not been legalized yet? laughing
                Welcome back, hurry up. Desirable, in two days, no more. And then, after all, you come to return, look around, to the rear, - Moscow ... then there is no!
                Do not be ill, you still have a sign on Red Square: "The kettlebell was here. We can repeat it!"
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 11 December 2020 00: 25
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                  The first time I hear that from the state, at the same time! Karl !, there were several capitals.

                  What to do, the level of education in Ukraine is falling dramatically, it's so sad crying Well, never mind, it's never too late to learn. And besides, I did not say that these cities were capitals at the same time. You are not paying attention yet.

                  The above-mentioned points have never declared that they are the capitals of a foreign state, often hostile.

                  Of course they did not, we are a peaceful people winked First, not someone else's, but his own Russian. Secondly, the capital itself cannot declare anything, it is a city, the seat of the country's leadership.

                  You can, of course, continue to cling to someone else's story. Borscht is already Russian soup, has Ali not been legalized yet?

                  Do you worry about borscht? All the same, there is nothing to cook in, all pots are used not for their intended purpose.
                  When there is nothing to brag about in the present, they begin to think up how great they were in the past. This is your case yes

                  Welcome back, hurry up. Desirable, in two days, no more. And then, after all, you come to return, look around, to the rear, - Moscow ... then there is no!

                  And what will happen to her? What rural folklore on this topic is now popular in Svidomo circles?

                  Do not be ill, you still have a sign on Red Square: "The kettlebell was here. We can repeat it!"

                  We repeated and can still yes Besides Giray, many people came, Karl, Napoleon and others. Nobody left without gifts.
                  And about Giray, look at health, educate yourself drinks

  13. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
    Cudgel (Dubina) 7 December 2020 15: 20
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    Even the so-called “annexation” of Crimea by Russia was in many ways a defensive step.

    - and this was the real annexation, you can of course wrap this "annexation" in any verbal husk, such as protective steps, reunification and other things, but the world perceives this precisely as annexation.

    In the future, nuclear weapons could be deployed in Sevastopol, which should have become a source of permanent threat

    - Well, yes, now the Yankees can place nuclear weapons near the border of the Belgorod region. Putin lost Ukraine, Putin always and everywhere loses, but losing Ukraine is a catastrophe, worse than Gorbachev's Perestroika.
  14. Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 7 December 2020 15: 27
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    Quote: ODRAP
    There is nothing relative there. Some things are crystal clear and immutable. As a last resort, the majority opinion, this is the law.
    The UN resolution on the current status of Crimea was supported by more than a hundred countries, and these are serious players.
    So, there is no need to twist and talk. The opinion of the population (part?) Is not spelled out anywhere, do not distort. There is a NATION's right to self-determination. The crowd of retired political officers of the SA is not a nation, and does not even try to call itself that.
    The soldiers, yes, they were legally, but they seized government buildings, it was completely illegal ... will you deny? There are a lot of photos and videos online.
    Don't go to Yugoslavia, there is no smell of annexation there. Or, did I miss something and the Kosovar army entered Serbia?
    Leave Cyprus too, this is not about it. In addition, there are actually TWO completely different people.
    Well, right so right. You have to live with it now.

    The Kosovar army destroyed the Serbian region, and the Serbs lived there. And the Americans did not chop off Kosovo from the Serbs, did they? As for the Crimea, like Ukraine, except for Western, this is the territory of Russia, which the Bolsheviks stole from them. So we have to return it all.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 39
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      And now, on the site of the Serbian Carniola, an empty space?
      Maybe you can open a history textbook and take a look at when this very Serbian Krajina appeared, and how many years did Serbs live there?
      Russia, as a state, appeared nine hundred years after the emergence of the state of Rus. Or would you say that the Queen of France, Anne, was a Russian woman, the daughter of the Russian emperor?
      For the return, you can try. Personally.....
      1. Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
        Dzafdet (Sergei) 12 December 2020 10: 57
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        I can do that, only then there will be a radioactive desert for about 5000 years ...
  15. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 15: 59
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    Quote: 123
    What is it like? Kosovo, by the way, is not a member of the EU or NATO.

    We have forcibly rejected part of the country's territory during hostilities with the subsequent deployment of a military contingent there. It is more appropriate, of course, to use the term occupation, but is it worth breaking spears on the wording? After all, everyone understood what it was about.
    For example, Georgians consider Abkhazia annexed, although there are no formal grounds for using this term.

    https://www.ekhokavkaza.com/a/30967961.html

    Kosovo was declared independent, in violation of international norms. There was no annexation there. The deployment of a military contingent is neither an occupation, nor, let alone annexation.
    Abkhazia with tz. international law is a self-proclaimed state legally part of Georgia, which may consider this territory as de facto occupied by Russia. There was no annexation of Abkhazia.
    Crimea was annexed by Russia - an obvious fact, there is no other international legal assessment.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 18: 15
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      Kosovo was declared independent, in violation of international norms. There was no annexation there. The deployment of a military contingent is neither an occupation, nor, let alone annexation.
      Abkhazia with tz. international law is a self-proclaimed state legally part of Georgia, which may consider this territory as de facto occupied by Russia. There was no annexation of Abkhazia.

      It’s interesting what you’re doing ... This means that the deployment of a military contingent is neither an occupation, nor, let alone annexation, but at the same time Georgia can consider this territory as de facto occupied and, at the same time, trumpets about Russian annexation.
      And Serbia cannot consider Kosovo de facto occupied?

      Crimea was annexed by Russia - an obvious fact, there is no other international legal assessment.

      Annexation is the forcible annexation of a country or part of it to another country. Who was there in the Crimea forcibly annexed? You know, the referendum was, the people are in favor. Go ask what they themselves think about the annexation.
      By the way, has the GDR been annexed by the FRG?
      1. Alexzn Online Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 19: 21
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        The base of the country that recognized its independence is located in Kosovo, which is not an occupation. About 100 countries recognize the independence of Kosovo. Independence may or may not be recognized, but there is no third party to the occupation or annexation.
        Both Serbia and Georgia consider their units to be occupied, there are similar features, but the differences are significant - Kosovo is under international control, and Abkhazia and especially South Ossetia are de facto under the control of the Russian Federation, and the issue of Russian citizenship is annexation (de facto).
        Crimea is annexed forcibly. You forget that the violence (threat of violence) was directed against the state whose subject was Crimea, and not against Crimea itself. This is also annexation. If tomorrow the Russian Federation accepts the LPR-DPR it will also be annexation, even if the republics themselves want it and the process will be peaceful. Legally, it works like this.
        It’s a paradox, but preventing the state from preserving its integrity by armed means, and then accepting a subject of this state into its membership is definitely annexation.
        Lest you suspect bias, I share the position of Israel - we did not recognize Kosovo, we observe neutrality in Crimea, understanding both sides. We do not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 7 December 2020 19: 42
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          The base of the country that has recognized its independence is located in Kosovo, which is not an occupation.

          So in Abkhazia, the base of the country that recognized its independence, which is not an occupation. What are the differences?

          About 100 countries recognize the independence of Kosovo.

          I already told you, the number of countries does not matter. This is not a matter of majority vote.

          Independence may or may not be recognized, but there is no third party to the occupation or annexation.

          That is, the Americans are not, but are the Russians in Abkhazia? Did I understand you correctly?

          Both Serbia and Georgia consider their units to be occupied, there are similar features, but the differences are significant - Kosovo is under international control, and Abkhazia and especially South Ossetia are de facto under the control of the Russian Federation, and the issue of Russian citizenship is annexation (de facto).

          What does under international control mean? That is, the essence of the claims that there are no Belarusians or Kazakhs in Abkhazia? As soon as all claims appear, will they disappear? Since when did the issuance of citizenship become annexation?

          Crimea is annexed forcibly. You forget that the violence (threat of violence) was directed against the state whose subject was Crimea, and not against Crimea itself. This is also annexation. If tomorrow the Russian Federation accepts the LPR-DPR it will also be annexation, even if the republics themselves want it and the process will be peaceful.

          "You forget that violence (threat of violence) was directed against the state whose subject was Crimea." With these words, you very accurately described the coup in Kiev. The Crimeans did not order the Maidan, they did not accept the attempt to forcefully change the government.

          Legally, it works like this.

          What are you referring to? What are these legal norms? In my opinion, from a legal point of view, everything was done flawlessly in Crimea.

          It’s a paradox, but preventing the state from preserving its integrity by armed means, and then accepting a subject of this state into its membership is definitely annexation.

          If anything, the "subject" as an autonomy had the right to secede from the country, which was formalized by the legally elected parliament. And only after that was it incorporated into Russia. Could you formulate more specifically the essence of the claims? What exactly did they violate?

          Lest you suspect bias, I share the position of Israel - we did not recognize Kosovo, we observe neutrality in Crimea, understanding both sides. We do not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

          Yes figs with him with recognition, I'm trying to understand the logic. By the way, you did not answer about the GDR hi
          1. Alexzn Online Alexzn
            Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 20: 37
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            With Kosovo and Abkhazia, Serbia and Georgia are considered the occupation, their so-called. At the international level, Kosovo is on the way to recognition (2/3 of the UN countries with the current 1/2), Abkhazia has no prospects. The number of countries that recognize it is the way to join the UN, and this is very important.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 7 December 2020 21: 20
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              At the international level, Kosovo is on the way to recognition (2/3 of the UN countries, while today it is 1/2), Abkhazia has no prospects. The number of countries that recognize it is the way to join the UN, and this is very important.

              Let me not share your optimism. It doesn't matter at all. No.

              Statement under consideration by the Security Council. Recommendation about admission considered acceptedif 9 out of 15 Council members voted for it and at the same time none of the 5 permanent members - China, Russian Federation, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, United States of America and France - did not vote against.

              https://www.un.org/ru/sections/member-states/about-un-membership/index.html

              At this point, Kosovo's path to the UN is over. As I told you, the issue is not resolved by the trivial number of votes.

              So what about the GDR? winked
        2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
          Bulanov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 14: 33
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          Kosovo under international control

          If Russia and China do not participate in this control, then the control is no longer international, but NATO with grunting ...
  16. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 20: 54
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    Independence may or may not be recognized, but there is no third party to the occupation or annexation.

    That is, the Americans are not, but are the Russians in Abkhazia? Did I understand you correctly?

    Yes it is. Occupation involves control of borders, airspace, administration, supply, economic activity and control over it, the introduction of a monetary unit, laws (I can list further). In the case of Kosovo, this territory is gradually being integrated into the EU, where Serbia is also integrated (like all the countries of the former SFRY), with Abkhazia, it is more difficult - rejection from one subject of law in favor of another.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 23: 04
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      Yes it is. Occupation involves control of borders, airspace, administration, supply, economic activity and control over it, the introduction of a monetary unit, laws (I can list further).

      And which of the following is missing in Kosovo? Americans and Europeans control everything, including money.

      In the case of Kosovo, this territory is gradually being integrated into the EU, where Serbia is also integrated (like all the countries of the former SFRY), with Abkhazia, it is more difficult - rejection from one subject of law in favor of another.

      What's so hard about that? And in the case of Abkhazia, it is gradually being integrated into Russia or the Union State. Do you want to integrate Georgia too? Is this the whole problem?
  17. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 21: 04
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    What are you referring to? What are these legal norms? In my opinion, from a legal point of view, everything was done flawlessly in Crimea.

    We have already discussed it a hundred times. From a legal point of view. everything is broken there! The referendum was initially not legal due to its anti-constitutional nature (the constitution of Ukraine did not provide for such a referendum, the issue of secession could only be decided at a national referendum). Accordingly, all subsequent actions are legally not within the law.
    I remind you that it is stupid to refer to the Kosovo precedent to justify the events in Crimea, because Russia did not recognize the legality of Kosovo.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 23: 31
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      We have already discussed it a hundred times. From a legal point of view. everything is broken there! The referendum was initially not legal due to its anti-constitutional nature (the constitution of Ukraine did not provide for such a referendum, the issue of secession could only be decided at a national referendum).

      Did the Constitution of Ukraine suggest a coup d'etat? Why didn't the Maidan referendum hold? In the conditions of paralysis of the central government, local deputies took responsibility for themselves. Remind me how it was?

      https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/ukraine_in_russian/2014/02/140222_ru_s_kharkiv

      http://pmrf2.ru/0100_all-articles/polnyiy-tekst-rezolyutsii-sezda-v-harkove-22-fevralya-2014-g

      By the way, do not remind me how there is a legal term. with the exit of Ukraine from the USSR?

      I remind you that it is stupid to refer to the Kosovo precedent to justify the events in Crimea, because Russia did not recognize the legality of Kosovo.

      Actually, I wasn't going to, but since I was hooked ... Why not? Nothing prevents Europeans and Americans from recognizing Kosovo and not recognizing Crimea, why can't Russia do this?
    2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 8 December 2020 05: 56
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      It's ridiculous to hear about legality, law, constitution, legal t. S ... From those who themselves put a bolt on all this.
      Panatuse's hypocrisy!
    3. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 43
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      The Constitution of Ukraine, the referendum presupposes, but exclusively all-Ukrainian.
    4. Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
      Dzafdet (Sergei) 12 December 2020 11: 01
      +1
      Let's start with the fact that the Ukrainians staged a coup, almost killing the current president. And only then everything went into a racket. And there is no such state Ukraine, since the dissolution of the USSR was not considered or approved by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.
  18. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 21: 12
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    By the way, you did not answer about the GDR

    Two independent states, subject of international law, mutually decide to create a united state. What's the question? There was not even any disagreement from third countries. Everything is within the framework of international law.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 23: 50
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      Two independent states, subject of international law, mutually decide to create a united state. What's the question? There was not even any disagreement from third countries. Everything is within the framework of international law.

      Was the consent of "third countries" required?
      Crimea seceded from Ukraine and became part of Russia by mutual decision. And let the "third countries" smoke aside, this is not their business.
    2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 46
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      Yes, everything is easier. The German Democratic Republic and the Federal Republic of Germany, two parts of one country, forcibly separated, by armed means, followed by occupation.
      After the de-occupation by the Union, the bases of a foreign state remained, but at the invitation of the government.
      And so, one country, one people.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 14: 51
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        Yes, everything is easier. The German Democratic Republic and the Federal Republic of Germany, two parts of one country, forcibly separated, by armed means, followed by occupation.

        Similarly, Russia after 1917 - Novorossiya has always been the south of Russia, and suddenly became Ukraine with a mandatory cover - and who did not want to speak MOV, the Kaganovichs repressed.
  19. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 7 December 2020 21: 16
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    If anything, the "subject" as autonomy had the right to secede from the country, which was formalized by the legally elected parliament.

    If a. But he didn't. Crimea was not a subject of international law, did not have the right to secede from Ukraine (according to the constitution), only through a national referendum.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 December 2020 23: 56
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      If a. But he didn't. Crimea was not a subject of international law, did not have the right to secede from Ukraine (according to the constitution), only through a national referendum.

      Ukraine in 1991 was not a subject of international law either, and it did not leave the USSR in compliance with the law. How to deal with this? An all-Ukrainian referendum was not possible due to the coup. There was no legal authority in the country, they did not elect Turchinov.
      There were 2 questions at the referendum. Restoration of the 1992 Constitution and entry into Russia.
      Having restored the old Constitution, the corresponding legislation came into effect. It's all in article 6.

      http://sevkrimrus.narod.ru/ZAKON/1991-3.htm

      Maybe you shouldn't have staged a coup?
  20. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 December 2020 08: 32
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    Quote: 123
    Did the Constitution of Ukraine suggest a coup d'etat? Why didn't the Maidan referendum hold? In the conditions of paralysis of the central government, local deputies took responsibility for themselves. Remind me how it was?

    https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/ukraine_in_russian/2014/02/140222
    _ru_s_kharkiv

    http://pmrf2.ru/0100_all-articles/polnyiy-tekst-rezolyutsii-sezda-v-harkove-22-fevralya-2014-g

    This is not true. Ukraine was a subject of international law as a UN member state, Ukraine had the right to withdraw in accordance with the USSR Constitution. Crimea had neither one nor the other.
    Legally, the removal of the President of Ukraine from power and the transfer of power to the LEGALLY elected parliament, although controversial, fit into the constitutional framework according to which the will of the people is a priority (the people, not the people of a part of the country). The deposed president was not supported by anyone, he lost the trust of all branches of government and the entire people.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 48
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      I will add that Ukraine is a co-founder of the UN.
      And about the exit from the USSR, so the RSFSR came out earlier. Also illegal? :)))
    2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 14: 57
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      Since Ukraine was a subject of international law, like Russia, the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was illegal in 1954. There was no referendum and no Supreme Court decision. Only a hastily adopted behind-the-scenes decision of the Presidium of the Armed Forces (Khrushchev's henchmen) - which is illegal. Will France be able to transfer Corsica to Italy in this way, or Italy - Sardinia to France? I doubt it.
  21. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 December 2020 08: 34
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    Quote: 123
    Maybe you shouldn't have staged a coup?

    Even the Ukrainians themselves do not doubt this.
  22. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 December 2020 08: 46
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    Quote: 123
    Actually, I wasn't going to, but since I was hooked ... Why not? Nothing prevents Europeans and Americans from recognizing Kosovo and not recognizing Crimea, why can't Russia do this?

    It may not admit that it is doing it, but it cannot refer (you did with Kosovo, so we can do it with Crimea) due to the non-recognition of the precedent.
  23. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 8 December 2020 10: 24
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    That the United States is ready to exchange blows - Crimea for Washington? I do not believe .... There are a lot of idiots in the media, and few others. And the military understands the consequences. These are provocative statements, and similar articles.
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 23: 29
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      And what, in the Russian Federation are ready to die for Sevastopol?
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 10 December 2020 15: 01
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        And what, in the Russian Federation are ready to die for Sevastopol?

        So, since 1854, Russians have been dying for Sevastopol. They become heroes. And there is an order - Admiral Nakhimov!