"Take Budapest in a week": is a war between Ukraine and Hungary possible

A new hot spot may emerge in the western part of Ukraine. In the European Parliament, deputies from Hungary are already talking about a civil war, meaning not at all Donbass, and in Kiev and Budapest they even agreed to a real war. However, so far at the unofficial level. A war between a country that is a member of NATO and a country that is eager to join this bloc, which requires consent, including Budapest itself, it sounds crazy, but in modern Independence anything is possible.

This problem was created out of the blue by Kiev itself, having adopted a discriminatory law "On Education" in 2017. They aimed at the Russians, but hit all the national minorities of Ukraine, which include the Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Greeks and other peoples. What shot in 2014 in Eastern Ukraine can now flare up in Western Ukraine, given how it once ended up in the Independent. In particular, the new law sharply aggravated the relations between the official Kiev and the 150-strong Hungarian community of Transcarpathia, as well as Budapest, which directly supports it. With the active assistance of the "mainland", Ukrainian Hungarians are in favor of granting them autonomy, but they have faced similar opposition to Russian Ukrainians, supporters of federalization.

Because of its stubborn and unconstructive position, Kiev has already quarreled with the East, having received a war, now it can repeat this sad experience in the West. War is not a joke. The Hungarian Foreign Minister made a number of very harsh statements, the essence of which was that Budapest is ready to protect ethnic Hungarians from anyone - Russia, the United States, including, apparently, Independent:

I do not want a repeat of the war between Hungary and Ukraine ... We are old enough to make decisions on our own. Hungary is not pro-Russian or pro-American. She is a prougorska. Our policies defines the slogan "Hungary - first of all - Hungary first".

The irresponsible national policy of Kiev led to the fact that moods began to change in Transcarpathia. If federalization and autonomy cannot be counted on by legal means, interest in the concept of the so-called “Great Hungary” has grown. It got to the point that in Western Ukraine, they defiantly sing the Hungarian anthem instead of the Ukrainian one. The SBU responded to this with reprisals, and as a result of searches, propaganda literature of an openly separatist sense was found at one of the leaders of the Hungarian community in Transcarpathia. Militants of the "Right Sector" banned in Russia began to publish videos with threats to the Hungarian "separatists". Kiev did not allow a prominent official from Budapest, who was suspected of interfering in local elections, across the border. Before the war, of course, it is still very far away, but in 2020 many unexpected things happened. The war between Hungary and Ukraine seems like a very strange idea in itself, but if you think about it, some scenarios are still possible.

First of all, formally Kiev is much stronger than Budapest. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are ten times outnumbered by the Hungarian army, and this is no longer the rabble that was in 2014. They are, of course, far from the status of the most powerful army in Europe, but there is more order there, the general level of training has increased, thanks to Western instructors, real combat experience has appeared in Donbass, which the Hungarian army cannot boast of. Nezalezhnaya will dominate both in the air and on the ground, thanks to its multiple superiority in aviation and armored vehicles. If these two countries were fighting one-on-one today, perhaps the Ukrainians could eventually reach Budapest. But there will be no one-on-one war, since Hungary is part of NATO. No one will allow the Armed Forces to enter the territory of a country that is part of the North Atlantic Alliance.

So, there will be no hypothetical Ukrainian-Hungarian war? No, after all, there is a variant of a direct violent clash. It is possible if the conflict in Transcarpathia deepens, and Ukrainian nationalists move from threats to action, creating something similar to the events of May 2, 2014 in Odessa. The likelihood that President Viktor Orban will not sit in the "bunker" and will give the order to send troops to Transcarpathia to protect ethnic Hungarians is very high. And then a local military conflict on the territory of Independent is quite possible, from which NATO will try to distance itself, leaving Kiev and Budapest to sort out among themselves, like Yerevan and Baku in Nagorno-Karabakh. And then everything will depend on how far Presidents Orban and Zelensky are ready to go.
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  1. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 5 December 2020 17: 57
    What is "the Ukrainians will eventually reach Budapest" ?! smile
    Dear Author-Sergei Marzhetskiy, you clearly overestimate the bandit-marauding "combat experience in the Donbass" of the Bander-Nazi AFU and allied with them, absolutely extremist, national gangs! wassat
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine and other national gangs cannot have any motivation to "reach Budapest", except for marauding motives (although, in this case, the express delivery service of "New Mail" would no longer require stationary, but numerous mobile points for receiving marauded "items" - after all, in Europe as a whole, people live richer than in Donbass!)!
    But this is only until the first tangible "jab in the teeth", which immediately knocks down any arrogance from the aggressive Banderonazi "non-slaves", discourages the looting and makes them whine humiliatingly, "What about us ?!"
    Hungarians (from Greater Hungary and Transcarpathia) are a priori more united and motivated in protecting their people and their native land than the rootless banderonazi invaders, who are NOT supported by the absolute majority of the inhabitants of the "prison of peoples" itself - the amerocolony "Ukraine"!
    Moreover, all this international Nazi rabble and numerous special forces of NATO countries, training "in the murder of Russians" in the Donbass, will not take part in the aggression against Hungary, a NATO member country, will not!
    Therefore, in an armed conflict for the protection (and annexation) of Transcarpathia, the victory will be for Budapest, and not for the "w / Bandera" Kiev, its anti-popular anti-constitutional comprador "policy of robbery and deriban" bringing to the "boiling point" and the rest of the population of the remnants of the former territory the multinational Ukrainian SSR, not only the Hungarians of Transcarpathia!
    Hungarian armed "polite people" and so freely enter the territory of Transcarpathia, to protect the local Hungarian population during the seasonal "exacerbations" of the Galitsai and Kiev banderlog, otherwise they would have unleashed their bloody murderous crimes in the same way as in Eastern Ukraine!
    While Viktor Orban is at the helm in Hungary and the real Hungarian patriots, neither the Galitsai Banderonians, nor the Kiev "w / Bandera" will be able to touch the Transcarpathian Hungarians with impunity!
    Yes, and the Kiev ameroposol, if anything with Transcarpathia, will be on the side of a NATO member country, and not on the side of their sub-Soviet, over-the-top "w / Banderaites" "to negotiate" with the Hungarians, even at the cost of losing the Transcarpathian territory, is not the long-suffering Donbass, but its own American allies, not at all the direction in which Washington encourages any escalation of the massacre and the bloodthirsty aspirations of "Maidan" Kiev! winked
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2020 07: 56
      Quote: pishchak
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine and other national gangs cannot have any motivation to "reach Budapest", except for marauding motives (although, in this case, the express delivery service of "New Mail" would no longer require stationary, but numerous mobile points for receiving marauded "items" - after all, in Europe as a whole, people live richer than in Donbass!)!

      I understand all these arguments, but I would not oversimplify the situation. The Ukrainian army looks stronger than the Hungarian army, and in general it should not be so underestimated. The negative experience of defeats in Donbass is also an experience. And the lack of personal motivation should be compensated for by such a thing as army discipline.
      As for the trip to Budapest, I immediately made a reservation that this is unrealistic. But a local conflict on the territory of Ukraine itself in Transcarpathia - why not?
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 6 December 2020 11: 08
        hi Well, Sergei, and I do not exclude such an arrogant attempt on the part of the Nazi bands, under the guise of the Armed Forces of Ukraine!
        But foreign advisers from NATO (and there are especially many of them in Zapukriya and Kiev, "in decision-making centers" and training of Banderonazi militants!) Will be against!
        Yes, and the Gauleiter "Ukraine", from the Kiev ameroposolstvo, will NOT approve of such anti-Hungarian inclinations, immediately "dill" Siply "on the carpet" will call and, without any ado, "kindly otshmagat"! request
        So, "the Banderlog would try to strangle Transcarpathia, but who would give them" ?!

        This is a whole military operation and almost all the advantages of the Hungarian army and NATO in it! Not to mention the enormous motivation of the Hungarians and the no less DEMO of the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to lose their life and health because of the obvious to all Ukrainian residents ...
        In the Ukrainian Armed Forces itself, among the gesheftyar "commanders" and ordinary militants, there are not many "stoned" ones, and even those are cowardly marauders, others instead of themselves are pushed under fire and sometimes they themselves are shot in the back.
        There, the very mountainous area-Transcarpathia is literally ON the side of Budapest! After all, with the small forces of the Hungarian special forces, you can simply cut off the communications of the Armed Forces!
        My "dumka" is that if the Banderlogists seriously "rock the boat" against the Hungarians in Transcarpathia, they will "ogrebut" in full and nothing, and no one will help them! Yes, they themselves know this very well in Kiev and in the field!
        And "bubbling" - "crumbling loaf" wretched Kiev "w / Bandera" because their "formidable body movements" are closely watched by the Ukrainian Romanians-Moldovans (and Bulgarians) and Galicia with a "Pole's card" (and many more they do not have it, but they really want to immediately get the Polish "Eurosweiss", because these Zapadenskie "maidaners-euroholops" have already realized that the promised "European integration" of the entire "former Ukrainian SSR" did not work out, but their native Zapukriya has a great desire and "beautiful the opportunity to integrate into Europe privately, "having separated" to Poland, and the desire of the Kiev "Ukrainian" kleptoligarchs - "w / Bandera" to continue to rob ALL "Ukraine" - Eastern and Western, these Western "migrant workers" are deeply ... ", their" hut "is literally" on the edge "! smile "ideological" Zapadentsy very much regret that back in the 1990s, their then leader of the nationalist "Rukh" Vyacheslav Chernovol and his accomplices did not separate Zapukriya from the "former Ukrainian SSR", as they initially planned!), which also have strong outside support and the internal subversive activities of neighboring NATO countries! All of them (and the rest of the Ukrainian citizens understand this well!) Are waiting for an "initiative" and know that if they manage to "separate to their native shores" from the Transcarpathian Hungarians persecuted by Kiev "w / Bandera", then the rest of the "European national mensins" will "grow together" "who have a" hut on the edge of the European cordon (border) "! winked
        So, for the aggressively "Ukrainian" Kiev "Maidan authorities" and their marauding bandit formations, the situation is not very favorable - towards zugzwang, and the "ball on the field" is closer to Budapest!
        But Viktor Orban, apparently, wants to do without excesses at all and, "eloquently hanging" over the "perfumed" Banderlog, simply waits for the "overripe apple" of Transcarpathia to fall into his hands, from the rotten apple tree on the vine ?? !
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2020 11: 20
          I also do not think that there will be a war between these countries. But its probability is somewhat different from zero. My task was to imagine where and under what circumstances it is theoretically possible.
          1. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 6 December 2020 12: 40
            hi I do not argue with you, Sergei!
            But if the neighboring NATO countries Hungary, Poland, Romania (and, like, Slovakia wants to bite off something else for itself ?!) will take away "their" from the decayed "Ukraine", then the local population of those "separations", for the most part , will squeal with delight that they have finally managed to escape from the murderous Banderonazi "madhouse" with all their belongings, with "suitcases and a train station"! smile
            Themselves zapadenskie "banderrivtsi" (as they are, simple "migrant workers" and representatives of the "working intelligentsia" - engineers, doctors, teachers, called themselves in conversation) "back in the" zero "years seriously discussed the dominant Western region, the topic of their" reunification "with Poland!
            And now (when it has already become clear and understandable even to the "vuiks of the full" that with "European integration", as they "dreamed" in 2013-2014, everything "has not become so" at all!) And even more so, the topic of "successful separation" in Poland of the individual regions of Zapukriya they have "for hours"! smile
            Transcarpathian Hungarians and under the Union kept aloof, doing their own thing and cross-border smuggling, and under the "nezalezhnisti", acquired Hungarian passports, "grabbed" entire sections of the Ukrainian-Hungarian border, were "ours and yours" and, of course, supported the promised Yanukovych -Azarov "no alternative European integration" ..., but when the "Maidan authorities" began to obsessively "ukrainizdit" them, and try to take control of Kiev abundant "smuggling flows", then the local "mafia bogs" murmured and craved full "autonomy "- the rival Kiev bandits did not like it and all the" power of the state "available to them, against the background of the richest Soviet resources already plundered by the" papedniks "and very meager dubious" Ukrainian zdobuts (achievements) ", they are trying to intercept from the Transcarpathian" barons "their established "feeding lines" and deprive them of influence, for which they in every possible way destabilize - "muddy" Transcarpathia!
            Well, when the "gentlemen are fighting" among themselves, then ordinary slaves have their "forelocks cracking"! winked
            Budapest perfectly sees all these simple "layouts" and simply "hangs" over this "mouse swarming", ready to intervene at any moment on the side of "friends"!
            If Poland and Romania still do not dare to "annex", also waiting for a convenient moment (in particular, I suppose that only Kiev "rock the boat" on Hungary, as the Romanian and Polish jackal-hyenas will rush forward for "theirs", although, I admit that the "clown" and his Nazi gang of underdeveloped "servants" are not aware of this ?!), then Viktor Orban itself geography and mental kinship with the majority of residents are favored in a wide maneuver by forces and means - he is the master of the situation in the Hungarian Transcarpathia and the "balogam" decree!
            By the way, in Ukraine, and even more so in the NATO countries - Hungary, Romania and Poland (although they like to "cry in public" about the hypothetical "Russian threat", knocking out additional concessions and funding from the EU and the US defense against the bear "), the current," persecuted by all "and" eternally wiped out ", Russia is not perceived as a real player in" Europolitics "and if earlier there were still some fears about" Russian interference in Ukrainian affairs if something happens ", but now, especially after Belarus and Karabakh, such fears are minimal, and even the Romanian-Moldovan Sandu immediately "raised its tail"! request
            1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2020 12: 42
              Quote: pishchak
              Russia is not perceived as a real player in "Europolitics" and if earlier there were some fears about "Russian interference in Ukrainian affairs if something happens", now, especially after Belarus and Karabakh, such fears are minimal - even Romanians -Moldovan Sandu immediately "raised its tail"!

              Alas, this is exactly the case. For a long time, everyone understood everything, except for the fans of VVP.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 5 December 2020 18: 49
    Oh, idle chatter. There will be no war
  3. faiver Offline faiver
    faiver (Andrei) 5 December 2020 19: 03
    I don't want a repeat of the war between Hungary and Ukraine

    - did I miss something? this is when Hungary and Ukraine fought?
    Well, I don’t agree about "taking Budapest in a week", here the Hungarians would rather take Kiev in a week, if ours do not intervene, I remind you that during the Second World War the strongest and most efficient land army among Hitler's allies in Europe was Hungarian ... hi
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2020 11: 30
      Quote: faiver
      during World War II, the strongest and most efficient land army among Hitler's allies in Europe was the Hungarian ...

      Since then, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, how can you transfer all this to modern realities? The German army is also now by no means the Wehrmacht ...
  4. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 5 December 2020 19: 11
    I was especially amused by the thesis about training and real combat experience, if this is an experience to get into the boilers, then maybe. In general, you need to know the character of a wide (real) Ukrainian, if he feels that he will be rebuffed, he will never get into a fight anywhere, so these are all fantasies about the war with Hungary
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2020 07: 50
      Don't underestimate your opponent. And for one beaten two unbeaten give, remember this.
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 5 December 2020 20: 50
    A new hot spot may emerge in the western part of Ukraine.

    The main thing is, when it starts, we need to take our own: Mariupol, Odessa, right up to Transnistria! Girkin-Strelkov is gone, and I hope that Putin will not hesitate.
  6. Admiral Hood Offline Admiral Hood
    Admiral Hood (Vladimir) 6 December 2020 14: 28
    Well, if they can reach Moscow in 2 weeks, then they eat Hungary in a week and will not choke ...
  7. Pal vigula Offline Pal vigula
    Pal vigula (Pal Vigula) 6 December 2020 17: 10

    I regret Rammstein, I should drink beer with them, and not put them on the graves.
  8. Pal vigula Offline Pal vigula
    Pal vigula (Pal Vigula) 6 December 2020 17: 16
    We took all the drunken, lost intruders home. Napoleon to the Arc de Triomphe. We drank champagne and left not the most impotent memories in the Moulin Rouge. PS I come back (Terminator)
  9. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
    Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 6 December 2020 19: 35
    ........ laughing at the title! Keep it up! good
  10. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 6 December 2020 23: 57
    What kind of war?
    They will send troops from the East of Ukraine to the local customs,
    Will strengthen the border guards with a company from the Northern Border Detachment ...
    They will begin to carefully check the goods ...
    The whole fuse will go out in a couple of days. The whole raison d'être of this enclave is smuggling. Transcarpathia is not interesting to the Magyars either militarily or economically. Only in the political field - to pout their cheeks to the EU.
    No later than February, they will get a call from the State Department, and they will politely recommend filling up the slurp. Since Ukraine is an order of magnitude more important and necessary for the United States.
    In addition, there are 72 mountain riflemen lodging there, with enormous combat experience. And with a complete lack of desire to endure separatist antics.
    The Magyars will still remember the First March.
  11. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 7 December 2020 00: 02
    And I will add, on a separate line.
    Mr. Marzhetskiy, before dragging the Alliance into a hypothetical conflict, inquire about the status of the parties.
    I suggest: Hungary was admitted to NATO as a "package", with the rest of the countries of the former VD, its role there - the fifty-fifth wheel in the cart. The importance of its armed forces is less than that of the Romanian and Bulgarian armies.
    And Ukraine is an associated partner with special rights.
    Who will let the Magyars bark in earnest?
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    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2020 14: 55
      Quote: ODRAP
      Mr. Marzhetskiy, before dragging the Alliance into a hypothetical conflict, inquire about the status of the parties.
      I suggest: Hungary was admitted to NATO as a "package", with the rest of the countries of the former VD, its role there - the fifty-fifth wheel in the cart. The importance of its armed forces is less than that of the Romanian and Bulgarian armies.
      And Ukraine is an associated partner with special rights.
      Who will let the Magyars bark in earnest?

      Funny reasoning, smiled. smile
      One can immediately feel the powerful Ukrainian expert school, where everything is turned upside down
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 03: 58
        The expert was blown away.
  12. av58 Offline av58
    av58 (Andrei) 7 December 2020 01: 03
    No matter how many reasons to laugh in Ukraine, one should not fall into insanity. What is the war between Ukraine and Hungary? Author, vodka is good in moderation!
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2020 14: 56
      I'm a teetotaler, if anything. drinks
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  14. Marusya Klimova Offline Marusya Klimova
    Marusya Klimova (Marusya Klimova) 7 December 2020 10: 13
    Quote: ODRAP
    Who will let the Magyars bark in earnest?

    who will let .... grunt smile
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  15. Why is there a week ?! Three days, three - and the Magyars are on sale in the markets of Kiev! Forward, Ukraine!
  16. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 17 December 2020 12: 19
    Hungary is a part of NATO and the EU, and I think that Poland will support it, with its claims to the now 6 western regions, while Ukraine is still, and the Bandera have no friends, the United States needs them only as cannon fodder, the Yankees will fight for them won't
  17. Sandor Csikos Offline Sandor Csikos
    Sandor Csikos (Sandor Csikos) 19 January 2021 01: 25
    Whether NATO would provide support is a big question. The fact is that Hungary's relations with NATO - before and with the West - are tense. Partly because of Ukraine.

    The fact is that for NATO, Ukraine is a country to ram Russia. That is why they strongly support the rapprochement between Ukraine and NATO. Where Hungary has become an obstacle. Hungary has little means to somehow compel Ukraine to observe the rights of the Transcarpathian Hungarians, to return the rights they have taken away. (The general initial principle of European democracy is that to this day it is sacrificed for momentary interests: this is that once already granted rights are not taken away. Hungary demands that Ukraine observe this principle and return the rights taken away from them to the Hungarians. In fact, we have only one remedy: to put obstacles in their way of rapprochement with NATO.

    Which causes growing discontent and irritation in Washington and Brussels. And we get lectures about the need to be "in solidarity" with NATO in its desire to use Ukraine against Russia. During the visit of the head of the State Department to Hungary, we had to make a principled concession in order to leave us alone. The point is in the preparation of a bilateral agreement on military cooperation between the United States and Hungary. And for the above reason, it was necessary to withdraw the objection on two principal points of the agreement. Since 1997, we have disagreed on two points: 1. American troops, without the consent of the Hungarian parliament, can enter the territory of Hungary and pass through it. 2. Hungarian courts will not be able to judge American soldiers even in criminal cases (for example, if a person is run over or injured, someone is killed in a drunken brawl.)

    Handing a note of protest on one case to our Chargé d'Affaires, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry allowed themselves to reprimand us. They say that Hungary should adhere to the general foreign policy course of NATO (obviously having in mind the general course in Ukraine). The Hungarian Foreign Minister is even included in two black lists - in addition to "Peacemaker", there is also a "Posipaka - an agent of the Kremlin". There are only seven on this list from Hungary. The leader is Minister Siyarto, who is charged with preparing an armed invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine is actively engaged in snitching Hungary. Like "Hungary and Russia are acting together not only against Ukraine, but also against NATO." Hungary, they say, is following the orders of Putin / Kremlin / Russia, inciting Hungarian separatism in Transcarpathia. Under the same orders, Hungary is hindering Ukraine's rapprochement with NATO. And obviously not without a response - as evidenced by Pompeo's demarche. With Biden taking office, the situation is likely to get worse. Democrats have always been hostile to today's Hungary. Prime Minister Orban, for example, was not even sent invitations to Biden's inauguration.

    And if we take into account that Hungary, on a number of issues, is also in conflict with the EU, then it cannot be ruled out that the West - maybe or otherwise - will go to ram in order to overthrow the stubborn Orban. And Ukraine will participate with the greatest pleasure in this. For example, all kinds of provocations - to create difficulties for the Orban government. But in the summer of last and the year before last, on a number of occasions we could make sure that there is a very developed cooperation between the special services of Ukraine and the West.

    So NATO will not help THIS Hungary. No matter how it turns out the other way around: at the decisive moment we are stabbed in the back with a knife. Their favorite is unambiguously: Ukraine.

    Which, by the way. recently declared Hungary its enemy number 2. True, not yet at the official level, only according to a poll of political scientists. But ...