For 5 years, Russia has not responded to the murder of the Su-24 pilot by the Turks


On the eve, exactly five years have passed since the moment when Turkey from a pleasant partner in all respects turned for Russia into a hostile state, with which our country faced the prospect of a thirteenth war. How did the relationship between Ankara and Moscow change after this, and did you manage to draw the right conclusions?


This is, of course, about the destruction of the Russian Su-24M bomber by a Turkish fighter, allegedly for violating the air border during a military operation against terrorists. As a result, one of our pilots died, and a Russian marine was also killed during the rescue operation. The patriotic public demanded revenge "tit-for-tat", but the Kremlin chose a different path, preferring to maintain the status of "partner" with Ankara. For a long time, domestic diplomacy almost begged the Turks for an apology for the downed plane, directly declaring that after that relations would immediately normalize. As a result, President Erdogan expressed something incomprehensible about his "regrets", which we enthusiastically interpreted as an apology and a willingness to pay compensation, and then hushed up the matter. Let's see, five years later, what came of it.

At firstFor some reason, the full text of those "apologies" was not published in the Russian media. Perhaps then the difference in wording would be visible.

Secondly, no compensation has been paid. The press exaggerated the amount from 30 to 100 thousand for the lost pilot and the export value of the destroyed bomber, which is estimated at $ 30 million. According to some estimates, taking into account the wear and tear for the downed Su-24, one could demand from 5 to 6 million dollars. But not a dollar was paid. Why? Because the payment of compensation would be a consequence of Turkey's admission of its guilt, but there was no such admission. There was only "regret". That is why, presumably, the "apology of Erdogan" was not published in full.

In fact, Ankara got off with a temporary decrease in tourist traffic, tomatoes, and we bombed some terrorists' fuel trucks with them, where it seemed that several Turkish soldiers got under the distribution. The answer is not the most overwhelming, and it has clearly not been used as an edifying lesson. Turkish attacks on Russian military aircraft in Syria in fact continued... So, last February, attacks were carried out with the help of MANPADS from the militants and Turkish military instructors who trained them against the Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft carrying out combat missions in Idlib. There is even visual evidence of a missile launch from a Stinger MANPADS at our Su-24 from a building near which Turkish armored vehicles were stationed.

Today Turkey is a state hostile to Russia. There is no direct war between us, but the interests of the two former empires objectively collide with each other in many points: in Syria, Libya, in the South Caucasus. But instead of carrying out an adequate policies, Moscow has set a course for her "appeasement". We have built at our own expense the "Turkish Stream", whose recoupment is in question, we are building a brand new nuclear power plant for the Turks, which will further reduce their dependence on imports of energy resources, have sold the latest S-400 air defense systems, and are ready to sell other types of modern weapons, but we in response, for some reason, they do not consider them friends. On the contrary, Ankara supported Baku, allowing it to defeat Russia's friendly Armenia in just a month and a half, with Moscow's emphasized neutrality. Now the Turkish military will come to Azerbaijan, and Turkey is de facto taking away from Russia the North-South international transport corridor, which, apparently, will soon go from the Caspian to Europe through it.

The “appeasement” policy does not work; on the contrary, President Erdogan continues to bite off piece by piece from the sphere of influence conquered by the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union for centuries. The destruction of our Mi-24 helicopter on the last day of the Second Karabakh War was very indicative. Those who launched a missile from MANPADS at a Russian combat vehicle over the territory of Armenia knew with a very high degree of probability that they would not receive an answer. He was not there. That Mi-24 is a direct consequence of the Su-24 destroyed five years ago. Where will Turkey now attack Russia?
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  1. zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 25 November 2020 16: 21
    -3
    As I understand it, the conclusions from this whole article are:
    -the author needs blood and screams
    -the author needs details (which do not concern him)
    -Author for "someone" is trying.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 November 2020 07: 47
      -4
      Quote: zloybond
      -Author for "someone" is trying.

      Certainly. For Russia.
      And I don't need blood and screams, I need competent people to do their job.
      1. zloybond Offline zloybond
        zloybond (steppenwolf) 26 November 2020 21: 37
        +1
        well, since you were not introduced to the course, it means that without you and me everything is in its place.
    2. 89210393092 Offline 89210393092
      89210393092 (Igor) 27 November 2020 09: 51
      0
      I completely agree with you, the donkey is not destined to know what LEO is thinking.
  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 25 November 2020 16: 25
    +4
    Su-24, a trifle compared to the operation of the Israeli Air Force to destroy a piece Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft and 16 Russian officers in Syria. Direct involvement in the death of the aircraft of the Israeli Air Force was fully proved by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. And what responsibility is there from Israel - no, the Jewish lobby in the Kremlin has completely silenced without an answer this planned murder of Russian officers and the loss of an expensive reconnaissance aircraft ...
    1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 25 November 2020 16: 36
      +3
      Su-24, a trifle compared to the Israeli Air Force's operation to destroy a piece Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft and 16 Russian officers in Syria

      Our Ministry of Defense just needed to somehow whiten the clumsy Syrian allies, so they came up with a story about the Israeli F-16. The fighter was there, but long before the air defense shot. The Krivoruks simply mistook the Il-20 for an enemy plane and fired at it.

      Direct involvement in the death of the aircraft of the Israeli Air Force was fully proved by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

      Yes, as well as the strikes against the militants were proven by footage from a computer game. You can never blindly believe, even in the "truth" that you like. Keep your head cool and your mind sober.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 25 November 2020 16: 38
        -4
        Now a stream of Israeli lies will rush to protect the Israeli Air Force ... Don't lie, look for a briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense with a full calculation of the time and actions of this planned provocation ...
        1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 25 November 2020 16: 44
          -6
          Don't lie, look for a briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with a full calculation of the time

          You can also find the IDF official refutation on this matter. Why is the MO option uncompromising for you, while the information from Tel Aviv is a deliberate lie? And I'll tell you why. Because you are an ordinary cheers-patriot, to whom what was said from the screen, he believes in that. Enjoy watching "Evenings with Solovyov".

          Just try to answer to yourself a simple question: why did Israel need it? You will not find the answer.
          1. passing by Offline passing by
            passing by (passing by) 25 November 2020 16: 48
            -4
            he does not like Solovyov and Putin ... he loves Ukrainians
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 November 2020 07: 53
              -5
              Dislike for Putin and Soloviev does not automatically mean love for Ukrainians, Israelis and Americans.
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        2. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 25 November 2020 17: 11
          -6
          Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
          A stream of Israeli lies will rush now

          Lies are sitting in the Russian Defense Ministry, and starting with the minister, who once said that his subordinates liberated three times more Syrian territories from the Islamists than they have. laughing And that briefing is a complete irresponsible lie that has not convinced even pro-Putin Russians. And call the death of the Il-20

          Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
          Israeli Air Force operation to destroy a piece reconnaissance aircraft

          - pure provocation.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 November 2020 16: 39
    -2
    Again, some kind of anti-Kremlin info.
    In fact, everything is exactly the opposite.
    Answered !!!

    Money and influence don't smell. !!!
  4. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 25 November 2020 18: 08
    -2
    ... sold the latest S-400 air defense systems, are ready to sell other types of modern weapons, but for some reason we are not considered friends in return.

    Yes, I do not care if they consider or not consider friends. It is more important to drive a wedge into NATO. More importantly, Pompeo arrived, and Erdogan and Cavusoglu did not find time to meet with him. Trump will not forget this. And Biden too. This is not a spit at the Republicans, but at the prestige of the country.
    All the provocations are exactly wrong and sharpened in order to aggravate Russia's relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan. And you need to have a level of intelligence and endurance higher than that of a courtyard in order to lead a huge country with a disordered administrative apparatus between Scylla and Charybdis in world politics.
    Where is the pilot who fired (if he pressed the button at all) at the Su 24? The pilots, after the conspiracy, were arrested by buses, no one else heard anything specifically about this. I doubt he is alive.
    In the same way, behind the Turks (or Turkomans) who fired at the Mi 24 were not Erdogan's people, but some
    a figure from MI 6. He, for sure, wanted to give Putin a reason to bang on Azerbaijan (to the delight of all of us) but gave him the means to build Aliyev and Pashinyan to sign a truce at night, while everyone else (like Macron) was peacefully sleeping. And in the morning the train had already left, and the peacekeepers had already arrived in NK.
    And no one will take away the North-South corridor. Aliyev will now do his best to remove pro-Turkish agents of influence from the state apparatus (and there are a lot of them there, the reaction to Bulbul-Ogly's words clearly showed this).
    Aliyev no longer needs Turks. Yes, they have already begun to merge.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 November 2020 07: 45
      -3
      Quote: boriz
      Yes, I do not care if they consider or not consider friends. It is more important to drive a wedge into NATO. More importantly, Pompeo arrived, and Erdogan and Cavusoglu did not find time to meet with him. Trump will not forget this. And Biden too. This is not a spit at the Republicans, but at the prestige of the country.

      What other wedge in NATO? Erdogan simply takes from Russia what he sees fit and does what he wants next.
  5. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
    Rashid116 (Rashid) 25 November 2020 20: 41
    +2
    Well lan, patriotic zaputintsy, I have one more mnogohovochka. I'm afraid you will not like it, but who asks you? Karoch, you need to fill up one or a couple of your sons, you can drain your daughters, for Putin))) And I'll tell you later (but most likely not) what a childish influence we had from this and then we will have a complete trough, probably ... But seriously, you yourself are not dumb to think so? What did you personally get from this? What are their parents? Are you all impotent orphanages, or what? They did not revenge for their children, although they promised, they were simply leaked to please the nullifier. That's all, I will continue, the admin is banned, I just have no decent words for these "people". My sincere condolences to their parents and children.
  6. lahudra Offline lahudra
    lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 25 November 2020 22: 12
    -1
    I remember the tear-stained wife of the downed pilot, who, either out of stupidity, or after conversations with competent comrades, refused the cottage in Kemer offered by Turkey.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 November 2020 07: 54
      -5
      Yes, there was something about the cottage. It looks like people in civilian clothes dissuaded her.
    2. Don36 Offline Don36
      Don36 (Don36) 29 November 2020 16: 34
      +1
      In Turkey, they did not even hesitate to kill the ambassador of the Russian Federation. Previously, they immediately declared war for this, but only a very unwise woman can go to a cottage in a country that killed your husband. who does not value her life or the life of her children!
  7. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
    SONATA 2.0 LPG 25 November 2020 22: 22
    -3
    Well, think, you are no stranger to Russians. By plane, by helicopter more or less. The main thing is you punished us Armenians this year (it would be for what), and the side effect of this in the form of the Turks breaking through to the Caspian is nonsense. Wiped and forgotten.
  8. molybdenum Offline molybdenum
    molybdenum (Stanislav) 26 November 2020 00: 05
    0
    Dear author, please send me your e-mail address and I will throw off the information with an apology for our incorrect behavior in the Turkish sky, and at the same time I can also tell you how our Il-20 was let down specially for the Syrian missile.
    You have to live in reality, in reality.
    1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
      Essex62 (Alexander) 26 November 2020 11: 48
      +1
      Why did the Russian army have to go to war for Karabakh, not recognized even by Armenia itself? Not yourself, yourself. I don't want to lose my boys, in someone else's whore
  9. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 26 November 2020 04: 21
    +1
    Quote: molibden
    Dear author, please send me your e-mail address and I will throw off the information with an apology for our incorrect behavior in the Turkish sky, and at the same time I can also tell you how our Il-20 was let down specially for the Syrian missile.
    You have to live in reality, in reality.

    You can tell anything you want. Baron Munchausen also spoke. Until now, the whole world enjoys reading his memoirs. You share the position of the Defense Ministry leadership on the destruction of the Russian IL-20. Your right. Although this is an openly interested party in precisely this version of the incident. But there are nuances:
    1. Your President -VVP regarding this tragedy, specifically and officially stated that a tragic coincidence of circumstances took place. Which fundamentally contradicts the version voiced by MO.
    2. There are objective means of observation, including from space, which refute your version.
    3. None of the pilots of the Russian Federation, or of any other country, has ever stated that it is even theoretically possible for a supersonic fighter to be "covered" by another, moreover, a transport board. The sky is not a track, you need to improvise, in a matter of seconds from the moment the rocket is launched, to combine three points in time and space: two airplanes and one rocket ... The professional military pilot, Alksnis, specifically stated that the reasoning on the topic of "cover" by the Israeli board - nonsense.
    4. Commander Hel Aavir - Amiram Norkin, with the relevant documents, personally arrived in the Russian Federation and showed the inconsistency of the charges. There was no documentary refutation of his position.
    5. The Syrians managed to hit Cyprus with the same missile. What, the Israelis also covered themselves with Cyprus?
    6. And why do you write about "our IL-20, which failed under the Syrian missile"? So the Israeli pilot was hiding behind several Russian transport workers? Link to the studio. You have, just like the heroine of the movie "Shirley-Myrli" Inna Churikova: "I look, there are babies around (IL-20), everyone is crying, they are asking for a boob ..."
    7. The Russian Federation has never demanded compensation or an apology from Israel for the plane shot down by Syria. No sanctions were applied against Israel. This indirectly confirms the knowledge of the Russian side of all the circumstances of the incident. The skull is not tight?
    1. molybdenum Offline molybdenum
      molybdenum (Stanislav) 26 November 2020 16: 14
      0
      "Tramp", thanks for noticing my post, but could you still dive into the essence of the article itself and my commentary on it? Forgive me, I do not understand how to comment on your misunderstanding. What makes you think that I share the position of the Ministry of Defense on the Il-20? And what should the president say: these stupid army mediocrities for some reason brought the Il-20 right under the Syrian S-200? Where did you see my version, was I just hinting? Are you talking about the impossibility of a theoretical cover with a different board whether all the pilots of the Russian Federation were interviewed? Do you know how the S-200 missiles fly? You yourself first imagine all this, putting it into a single and indivisible sequential series, and only then you can go into emotions.
      You can hide behind another side, though in life such circumstances are unlikely to develop. The Israelis flew by themselves, and they were deeply indifferent to the "IL-20". It was interesting for ours to see "what and how", so they directed the Il-20 towards the Israelis. The Syrians unambiguously fired a rocket at Israeli planes, which were bombing Syrian positions at the time. This was very eloquently said at the briefing of the RF Ministry of Defense. Did not hear? Curiosity (MO) killed the cat (IL-20). Why is Israel to apologize for our stupidity, and the Russian Federation to demand it? The Russian Federation apologized to the Turks, for the same downed Su-24, in the Turkish sky, by the way. Something so that you understand the situation.
  10. Yurets Offline Yurets
    Yurets (Yuri) 26 November 2020 12: 43
    +1
    The author of the article needs blood, and he doesn't care how the open conflict with Turechina can end!
    1. _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
      _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 26 November 2020 23: 10
      +1
      you can look at the topic more broadly: who benefits from drawing the Russian Federation into a conflict with the sultan ... it seems to me that I won't have enough fingers to count the interested parties. the fact that the sultan is "boring" is already an indisputable fact and many of the world community are already "biting their lips nervously" .. .but judging by the Armenians who did not want to "climb out of the comfort zone", but are already accustomed to "hang out nicely" no one wants to fight. Whoever says what time works in Russia ... the world is "bursting at the seams" and not only geopolitical fuss
  11. Enoch Offline Enoch
    Enoch (Enoch) 27 November 2020 14: 59
    -1
    For 5 years, Russia has not responded to the murder of the Su-24 pilot by the Turks

    There is no one to answer as long as they only have mercy on the Turks. As the saying goes, money doesn't smell. In this case, they smell like Russian blood.
  12. Paul Warren Offline Paul Warren
    Paul Warren (Alexander Bandurin) 4 December 2020 15: 56
    0
    The author is lying for some reason! Erdogan has publicly apologized, everything is on the Internet.
    No war is immune from mistakes, they are always there. Better love, peace and friendship than war!