How Russia's victory in Karabakh can turn into a heavy defeat


Judging by some signs, the brilliant diplomatic victory won by Moscow in the course of the settlement of the armed conflict in the Caucasus, which, reluctantly, even Western experts and media authors who were far from friendly to our country were forced to admit, may well end up not even nullifying it. but the hardest failure.


A fiasco in one of the historically most important geostrategic areas will cost Russia very dearly and will inevitably “backfire” with problems far beyond the borders of one specific region. Let us briefly consider what events can lead to such a sad outcome.

"War" around peacekeepers


Today, the situation with the deployment of a peacekeeping contingent on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is beginning to look more and more uncertain. The original version of the agreement, voiced by our president and signed by the heads of both Armenia and Azerbaijan, dealt exclusively with the Russian military, who will have to ensure peace in this explosive region for five years. Nevertheless, almost immediately after the conclusion of these agreements, Ilham Aliyev began to talk about the "peacekeepers" from Ankara. At first, the Kremlin reacted quite sharply and absolutely unequivocally to such inclinations: “What kind of Turks? What does the Turks have to do with it ?! In this scenario, as the saying goes, "they weren't even close"! Nevertheless, little by little, the topic of the participation of the Turkish military in ensuring peace in the Caucasus began to acquire more and more clear and concrete outlines. First, a kind of "joint Russian-Turkish center for monitoring the observance of the ceasefire" emerged. No, it, of course, can be located exclusively in Azerbaijan ...

Just do not forget that just a few days ago, Vladimir Putin publicly, on the air of the Russia-1 TV channel, once again voiced the thesis: "Nagorno-Karabakh is an integral Azerbaijani territory ..." In accordance with the "norms of international law ", Naturally. It should be noted that throughout the conflict, Moscow has repeatedly stressed its own full adherence to the previously reached agreements on the settlement of the long-standing territorial dispute, and the corresponding UN resolution. Therefore, she confirmed: Karabakh belongs to Baku. So, de jure, Turkish warriors may well end up on its territory. The further, the more likely that this is where they will end up.

At some stage, the tension that had begun to emerge was somewhat defused by the Azerbaijani ambassador to Russia, Polad Bulbul-oglu, who said that there would be no Turkish military presence in Nagorno-Karabakh comparable in volume to the Russian one. Ankara, they say, intends to limit itself to "purely technical control" of the implementation of the agreement. Dmitry Peskov also hurried to confirm these words, once again clarifying that there is "no need" for the presence of Turkish soldiers on the contact line, moreover, there are no grounds for him. However, the leader of our country once again spoke on the same occasion, this time as concretely as possible. Vladimir Putin clearly pointed out that, given the well-defined historical events (the Armenian massacre, which is considered genocide by the Turks in Yerevan), the appearance of this army's servicemen in the immediate vicinity of the territory of Armenia will be unambiguously “provocative”. The President also expressed the hope that his colleague Recep Erdogan "understands and understood all this." As it turned out, in vain ...

According to information from reliable sources, the Turkish leader, after the signing in Moscow of the agreements on Karabakh, which was realized not only without his personal participation, but even without direct coordination of the provisions of such with him, on the part of, at least, Ilham Aliyev was in an extreme degree of displeasure ... Well, this is the mildest option ... The absence of Erdogan's troops on the demarcation line does not suit in any case, and he firmly intends to correct this "misunderstanding", and he absolutely does not take into account the opinion of Moscow.

How many Erdogan do not feed ...


An appropriate presidential decree on sending a military contingent to Azerbaijan was sent to the Turkish parliament. As far as we know, local parliamentarians supported this document with great enthusiasm (but they would have tried not to support it ...), after which Ankara at an accelerated pace began to transfer its own units to the Caucasus. As far as we know, the first of them have already arrived at their new location. In this case, we are talking about the stay of the Turkish "peacekeepers" in the "brotherly country" for one year. Let me remind you that our contingent will have to “cover” Nagorno-Karabakh for five years. It seems to be a win, but not everything is so simple. On November 11, the Ministers of Defense of Russia and Turkey, Sergei Shoigu and Hulusi Akar, nevertheless signed a memorandum on the creation of a jointly "monitoring center for overseeing the end of the conflict." Thus, the military presence of Ankara is recognized by Moscow, fully and fully legitimized - despite all the statements made earlier. Where this very center will be located is also not clear yet: “on the territory of Azerbaijan”. Well, about this, see above.

Generally speaking, our defense department did not disclose any details on this structure, and this in itself suggests that they are not very advantageous for the Russian side. What the "joint peacekeeping activity" with the Turks can most likely result in, is perfectly illustrated by the sad example of Idlib, where it almost came to a direct armed confrontation between the "allies". So, at least there was no Armenian factor in Syria ... One can only really hope that the Turkish leader and his generals will be smart enough not to stick a torch into a powder keg. Although ... What if this is their ultimate goal?

It must be admitted that if Ankara decides to try to “finally show Moscow its place”, then it is difficult to imagine a better location than Nagorno-Karabakh. Our troops will have to conduct hostilities in this theater in extremely unfavorable conditions. The plane carrying the heads of the domestic military and diplomatic departments, who recently made visits to Yerevan and Baku, had to go there through the airspace of Turkey. The Georgian side, quite expectedly, refused to let him through. Under war conditions, this can lead to the most unpleasant consequences, up to catastrophic ones. It seems to be closer than Syria or Libya, but, as they say, there are nuances here, and quite negative ones. Can Erdogan agree to such an aggravation? Judge for yourself. Not so long ago, this newly-minted sultan (or who does he consider himself to be by the standards of the Ottoman port he is reviving?), Without blushing, proclaimed that, it turns out, peace in Nagorno-Karabakh was established "by the joint efforts of Turkey and Russia." Only this way and nothing else!

Moreover - literally the day before, Erdogan said that the country he leads "has every opportunity to significantly expand and strengthen its influence" in the conditions, as he deigned to say, "a new world order" - both economic and political. If you believe the reports of the same Turkish Anadolu (why not believe them?), Then everything was according to the classics: "Recep suffered." He said that Turkey “has repeatedly proved its superiority to everyone” (I wonder - over whom exactly?), Recently “has made great strides in solving its geopolitical interests” (a stone in our garden?), And in addition “is fighting with coronavirus more successful than many developed countries. " Well, and, accordingly, "firmly intends to expand its influence in the world." If I were our leaders, I would not turn my back on this figure ... After all that has been said, even more so.

One should also not forget about the considerable number of pro-Turkish militants still, most likely, on the territory of Azerbaijan, drawn there by Ankara to participate in hostilities on the side of Baku from almost all over the world. Aliyev, as far as is known, promised to expel them from the country as soon as possible, but the question is whether he will be allowed to do this. The way and when our helicopter was shot down in Nagorno-Karabakh raises suspicions about the possibility of even larger and more daring provocations from the same customer in the future. If it comes to a direct armed clash, in which our peacekeepers find themselves in the forefront, the matter, I repeat, will most likely end badly. There will be no Georgian option due to purely geographical reasons. In the best case, they can be evacuated with minimal losses. And this will already be an unambiguous defeat, and not Artsakh or Armenia, but Russia.

However, in this context, even Erdogan himself is not as terrible as his potential allies. Everyone understands that Moscow's diplomatic success in resolving the crisis in the Caucasus is not least due to the fact that the main "world gendarme", the United States, at that moment was immersed in its own internal problems. However, the electoral epic there, apparently, is nearing its end, and clearly not in favor of the current president, desperately clinging to his own chair in the Oval Office. Erdogan's relationship with Donald Trump went wrong. And what about Biden? Most likely, the Turkish leader will have to deal with him. In all respects, Ankara in its current state can represent an ideal instrument for the United States both to destabilize the entire Caucasian region and to create the maximum set of problems for Russia. What if she was given both the F-35 and the Patriot, and something else to boot? And at the same time throw some money, which the Turks now desperately need? With American support behind him, Erdogan will become an adversary a hundred times more dangerous. More arrogant and impudent - this is definitely.

We should not forget about Europe, which is now desperately trying to "squeeze" itself into the issue of settling the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, and, most importantly, resolving its future fate. Emmanuel Macron, not a friend of our country, has already stated his desire to "include the Moscow agreements" in some "framework of international control." What exactly we are talking about is not yet entirely clear, but NATO military forces can also be expected to gain a foothold in the Caucasus. Pure control ...

Having acted as a force that quickly and uncompromisingly stopped the bloodshed in Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia has indeed achieved great success. But this victory must now be retained and no one should be allowed to turn it against our country. Believe me, there will be those willing. Yes, in fact, there are already more than enough of them ...
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  1. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 23 November 2020 10: 34
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    The process of peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflict, where Russia acts as a mediator, peacemaker and guarantor of peace in the region, is proceeding as usual, but not without scandalous episodes.

    In particular, the Russian flag was not displayed at the meeting of the Russian delegation with the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan.
    At the same time, the action with the absence of the Russian flag very well fits into the outline of the public policy of Armenia and Pashinyan towards Russia. The current prime minister of this small and very proud country is a convinced Westernizer, in some ways even a liberal, which means, according to the established tradition, a Russophobe. Therefore, to do a small but public and symbolic disgust in relation to our country is, in general, not an accident, but the political credo of the Armenian leader.

    Moreover, now he has huge political problems in connection with the defeat in the Karabakh conflict. The opposition calls the Armenian prime minister almost a traitor to the country's national interests and demands, if not blood, then at least his resignation. And in this situation, it is extremely important for Pashinyan to at least somehow demonstrate independence and sovereignty. And also the very “little national pride”. Well, that's how he can, and demonstrates. At the level of flags in negotiations.
    The gesture with the Russian flag demonstrates the true attitude of the Armenian political elites towards Russia. And clarity is always good. In order not to delude ourselves in the future with crying and lamenting about the "brotherly Christian people."

    By the way, in the last days of this crying on the web more and more. And it seems that the issue of “fraternal Christianity” of Armenians should also be clarified. Armenians are not Orthodox, but Gregorians. They did not recognize the decisions of the Chalcedonian Ecumenical Council. Therefore, the Russian Church, and indeed any other canonical local Orthodox Church, does not have Eucharistic communion with them. Speaking non-diplomatically, but honestly, the Orthodox treat the Gregorians as schismatics. We are, perhaps, related only to the very great similarity between Gregorian theology and Orthodox. But similarity does not mean at all - identity.

    To make it clear, at a certain stage, the elite of the Tatar-Mongol Horde was also mostly Christian. Nestorianism became popular there. This even allowed Alexander Nevsky and Batu's son Sartak to undergo the rite of adelphopoiesis (Christian fraternization). But this Horde Christianity did not add especially fraternal and warm feelings between Russia and the Horde.

    So in terms of religious closeness with the Armenians ... Well, here it is about the same as it was with the Horde at one time.
    The second important point is, in fact, the "brotherhood" of peoples. Fortunately, in Russia after the events in Ukraine, and in Belarus, all illusions on the topic of "fraternal peoples" have already ended. Brotherly, they are allied, we have an army, navy and strategic troops with nuclear missiles on hypersonic. All others can be long-term or situational partners on a mutually beneficial basis. Or it may not be.

    Actually, this is the choice that Armenia faces now. Either this small and proud country will be a little less proud, or a little smaller. Because, I think, the same Aliyev does not really like how Nakhichevan is separated from Azerbaijan. And if it had not been separated by the territory of Armenia, then it would have been very wonderful and wonderful for Aliyev, and for many Azerbaijanis as well. And, in fact, the only thing that prevents this dream from being realized is Russian peacekeeping efforts.
    And so, of course, yes, you can not stand the Russian flag, and generally arrange Russophobic dirty tricks, then moaning about the "fraternal people" and how "Russia betrayed centuries-old friendship." Keep up the good work, gentlemen, Armenians, you are doing very interesting things. Suicidal interesting, to be honest.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 23 November 2020 13: 50
      -8
      In the first Karabakh war 1992-1994 the armed forces of Russia fought against Armenia, by the way, together with the detachments of Basayev, Raduev, Khattab on the side of Azerbaijan. And what kind of attitude can be expected from Armenia after that? The Armenians can be respected only for the fact that they have managed to bring down their mafia-corruption regime - an analogue of the current Russian one - together and bloodlessly. It is this fact, as a precedent, that infuriates the current inhabitants of the Kremlin! That is why the Russian media let all the dogs down on Pashinyan!
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 23 November 2020 14: 01
        +5
        alternative history or mushrooms wrong? maybe even in Beslan the school was seized by Russian special forces, and Basayev was liberated?
        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) 23 November 2020 20: 38
          -2
          alternative history or mushrooms wrong? maybe even in Beslan the school was seized by Russian special forces, and Basayev was liberated?

          In my opinion, you are wasting your time, this is another "ventriloquist" reading excerpts from the Sumerian Rukhnama coming out. hi
  2. Evgeny Vinokhodov (Evgeny Vinokhodov) 23 November 2020 11: 03
    -4
    Now we are being forced to believe that we have lost, but Russia is not entering the Caucasus. What do you want Turkey to come in and send ISIS to us?
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 23 November 2020 11: 04
      0
      no ... they want the usa instead of turkey. igil is not the brainchild of Turkey but of the Americans.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 23 November 2020 18: 12
        -1
        The fact that the Turks would send their military to the conflict zone was clear from the outset, why create noise in vain?
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          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 23 November 2020 18: 37
            -1
            You were right. smile
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      2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 23 November 2020 23: 07
        -2
        ISIS is more of a Soviet brainchild, since its core is the former military of Saddam's Iraqi army who trained in the USSR.
  3. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 23 November 2020 11: 13
    +3
    There is a very important point in the signed agreement - ensuring transport accessibility or connectivity. Unblocking all transport communications means that trains will start running, and then all problems will be automatically removed. Trains and electric trains completely remove the "bear" of this "corner". And it is included in the trade turnover. Imagine that the Swallow "Stepanokert - Baku" starts walking ...
  4. Alkatrass A Offline Alkatrass A
    Alkatrass A (Аlkatrass A) 23 November 2020 12: 04
    0
    On November 20, the world celebrates the 75th anniversary of the start of the Nuremberg Tribunal. Many articles are being written about the importance and significance of this precedent, about its great influence on ensuring security in Europe, in Russia they even want to make a feature film. But the meaning of any international legal precedent is that it is the FIRST, but not the LAST. And Nuremberg, as many lawyers of that time feared even then, became a political, but not legal precedent, as, indeed, all international security law, which will become clear later.
    When they ask me how I "got" into the Armenian question, I answer: at the age of 20 I learned about the Armenian genocide and the absence of the Armenian "Nuremberg", and then about the massacres of Armenians in Sumgait and Baku, and again the absence of "Nuremberg".
    Either genetic Jewish memory, or just common sense made me feel literally vital fear due to the lack of an adequate response to these crimes committed against one people by representatives of formally two different states, but, as it will become obvious later, they feel like a single whole.
    And no, the trial of the Young Turks in 1919, which took place in Turkey, and the isolated criminal cases following the pogroms in Sumgait and Baku, heard in Azerbaijan in the late 80s - early 90s, are not Nuremberg at all.
    Nuremberg literally crucified Germany: divided it, disarmed it, agreed to a Jewish state (this can be seen as a kind of recognition of the right to self-determination as a result of violence). The world has literally shown what and how it will be to the state that will unleash a war and commit genocide. The main backbone of international law was created following the results of Nuremberg.
    And what is happening yesterday and today with Turkey and Azerbaijan? Nothing. And this is a stronger precedent than the Nuremberg one. And this precedent has been going on since 1915, and the civilian population of an increasing number of countries is suffering from it.
    Vladimir Putin:

    Azerbaijan is an independent sovereign state and has the right to choose its allies as it sees fit. Who can deny him this.

    Georgia and Ukraine at that moment probably choked, but that's not even the point.
    Azerbaijan unleashed a war in violation of the UN Charter, which does not at all contain an article allowing it to start in the name of "restoring territorial integrity" - this is prohibited by the results of Nuremberg
    Azerbaijan attracted mercenaries - it is prohibited by the results of Nuremberg
    Azerbaijan was the first to start shelling cities and civilians, monuments and civil infrastructure - this is prohibited by the results of Nuremberg
    Azerbaijan entered into a military alliance with a NATO member ... This is not prohibited by the results of Nuremberg, but it is prohibited by Russia.
    The issue of territorial integrity in Russia is sacred, but a military alliance with a NATO member ... on our borders ... this is some kind of cognitive dissonance
    Azerbaijan shot down our pilots. He did the same as Turkey. There was no punishment. There was no visible. And punishment must be visible to everyone, otherwise one of its goals is lost - intimidation, which gives an awareness of the consequences.
    In Azerbaijan, (not the first) nationalist rallies are held, where not only Armenians, but also Russians are called enemies. The Azerbaijani authorities do not condemn and do not suppress this, and the Russian Federation does not react in any way. (By the way, the Armenian anti-Russian rallies that took place after the tragedy in Gyumri were never nationalistic and were suppressed by the Armenian authorities).
    Putin is taking personal control of the protection of Armenian monuments, and the network is teeming with new and new photos and videos of vandalism.
    Russia did not win this war, as they are trying to assure us, Russia is having difficulty in controlling something, Russia is obviously preparing for a possible war. And this is partly a consequence of the carte blanche that Russia, including, gave, NOT initiating a proper condemnation and punishment of the Turkish-Azerbaijani aggression.
    Every year Nuremberg, as the greatest precedent, as a phenomenon loses its significance, it literally melts away. Each new aggression and massacre taking place in the world, not condemned by the COURT, and not by resolutions, nullifies the events of 1945. In fact, we have nothing to celebrate.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 23 November 2020 12: 07
      0
      but what about the only Russian Orthodox Church in Karabakh destroyed by the Armenians? the tribunals try the losers. Russia, even in the person of the late Primakov, warned the Armenians that they would be killed for Karabakh, if they were not surrendered. and if they still kick up, they will continue to kill. and no UN will help.
    2. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 November 2020 15: 37
      -2
      It is necessary to carry such nonsense ...
    3. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 November 2020 00: 00
      0
      This is certainly not barbaric. "It's different." Nuremberg does not shine for this. For this, apparently, it is necessary to give the Nobel Peace Prize.

      https://vesti.az/kultura/azerbajdzhanskij-dirizher-pokazal-rossijskim-kollegam-fakty-varvarstva-armyan-foto-422886


      And before you write "aggression", learn what the word means. And who is the aggressor in this case.
      God, fell levels comment .... But it does not matter to you, and to the universe. There is still no answer.
    4. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 24 November 2020 00: 44
      -3
      Quote: Аlkatrass A
      And where is your vaunted army, which, according to Aliyev, will take Karabakh in 24 hours if you leave them alone with us ??? .... The sixth day is on the way, and your valiant army did not even break through the defense line ... laughing ...

      I was not too lazy to find it, you recently wrote it. Now write something completely different and a lot. Alkatrass A, shame on you?
      1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
        Peter rybak (Patrol) 24 November 2020 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: isofat
        I was not too lazy to find it, you recently wrote it. Now write something completely different and a lot. Alkatrass A, shame on you?

        Hello. Pay attention to the style of both comments. This is heaven and earth. Differences in grammar and vocabulary are visible to the naked eye.
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 November 2020 12: 59
    -2
    And this will already be an unambiguous defeat, and not Artsakh or Armenia, but Russia.

    And this will depend on the determination (education) of our government. The fact that Putin can make the right decisions and quickly implement them was shown by Nagorno-Karabakh and Crimea too. But why does he surround himself with obvious mediocrity? Who can only receive a salary and create problems for the country and people! Putin has only to lift a finger and many problems will not only be solved, but they will not be just for years, decades. All these problems: "Ukraine, Belarus, Transnistria, Georgia, Armenia, etc." Ordinary journalists foresaw and wrote and talked about them before they appeared! But the authorities did nothing. Then Putin appears and that's it, the problem is solved. I believe that with such a policy of Putin, we will “wash ourselves off” with blood.
  6. Alexander Zima Offline Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima (Alexander Zima) 23 November 2020 13: 09
    0
    Russia is following the example of the United States .. has gone and whether it will come out a question .... but there will be provocations, but how can we do without it ... since there is a military and a weapon and it seems to shoot like.
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 November 2020 14: 16
    +2
    Here! and less than a week has passed, and we have already won this conflict and won everyone.
  8. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 14: 48
    +3
    It all depends on who will be in power in the Russian Federation at the time of the outbreak of hostilities. If it were not for the excessive and extremely erroneous softness of the GDP in the foreign arena, we would not miss the Russian plane with the diplomatic mission on board. Georgia would have received a break in diplomatic relations with the Russian Federation with a complete embargo on trade and the expulsion from the Russian Federation of all Gaster and patriots of Georgia ... Yes, Turkey also forgets that Turkey will be responsible for the attack on the peacekeepers of the Russian Federation of the Turkish army, and for this the Russian Federation does not necessarily have to fight with Turkey in Karabakh, you can also probe the territory of Turkey with Iskander and Caliber bombs and volumetric explosion bombs and see how the Turkish fleet burns under the blows RCC Onyx, Dagger, Tempest, Volcano ...
    1. Binder Online Binder
      Binder (Miron) 23 November 2020 18: 10
      -3
      Quote: Sapsan136
      you can also probe the territory of Turkey with Iskander and Caliber and aerial bombs of a volumetric explosion and see how the Turkish fleet burns under the attacks of the Onyx, Dagger, Tempest, Volcano anti-ship missiles ...

      There are a lot of people on the site who did not even shoot with a slingshot in childhood - my mother forbade, but you fought, you must understand, but you write such nonsense. fool
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 23 November 2020 19: 02
        0
        This is not nonsense. As soon as they understand that there will be no mercy, they will immediately turn on the back. It will be like in Georgia. Ties will get tired!
        1. Binder Online Binder
          Binder (Miron) 23 November 2020 19: 16
          -4
          How familiar it is from history - "We'll throw our hats!", "With little blood, a mighty blow on someone else's territory!" So they did not learn anything, although there is a proverb from your people:

          Do not boast on the army walking, boast on the army walking.
          1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
            steelmaker 23 November 2020 19: 19
            -1
            And how to boast when Putin is afraid to answer for the death of his soldiers?
            1. Binder Online Binder
              Binder (Miron) 23 November 2020 19: 24
              -2
              Why brag? It is necessary to do business, boasting is an unworthy occupation ...
              1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                steelmaker 23 November 2020 19: 26
                -2
                Then don't write any nonsense! In order not to justify later!
                1. Binder Online Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 23 November 2020 22: 17
                  -1
                  Are you talking to me? lol I'm certainly not inclined to boast ...
                  1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                    Peter rybak (Patrol) 24 November 2020 19: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                    Are you talking to me? lol I'm certainly not inclined to boast ...

                    I do not understand who and why you are minus. Are there some jingoistic patriots here? Listen, logic in our country is still not forbidden to be turned on.
                    1. Binder Online Binder
                      Binder (Miron) 24 November 2020 19: 34
                      -1
                      Sigmund Freud once wisely remarked -

                      An inferiority complex gives rise to a superiority complex.

                      These gentlemen, with their minuses, confirm the correctness of the Viennese psychoanalyst ...
                      1. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 24 November 2020 20: 44
                        -2
                        Gentlemen show with their minuses that they do not agree with you in some way. And that's all, don't flatter yourself. smile
            2. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
              Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 27 November 2020 20: 32
              +1
              How to avoid the death of soldiers in war? Why write nonsense?
      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 22: 53
        +3
        And where did you get the idea that if Ankara kills 2000 Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh, the Russian Federation will not respond with a missile strike on Turkey ?! The Russian Federation will answer, with Putin, or after his resignation ... You're kind of smart, then you should know that in Russia the rulers who lost the war are not honored !!! The annihilation of 2000 Russian soldiers in Karabakh will not weaken the military potential of the Russian Federation, but will drive the army and the people of the Russian Federation into a rage ... Do not hesitate, Russia will respond with blow for blow !!! fool stop soldier
        1. Binder Online Binder
          Binder (Miron) 23 November 2020 23: 28
          -2
          Fresh legend ... (c)
          1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
            unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 24 November 2020 00: 28
            +1
            The legend has already been in Georgia in 2008. After this legend, Georgia almost ceased to exist.
            1. Binder Online Binder
              Binder (Miron) 24 November 2020 15: 20
              0
              The unrecognized republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia will definitely cease to exist, once again becoming part of Georgia.
              1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
                unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 25 November 2020 15: 37
                +1
                I guess when will Georgia become part of Russia again? Well, in that case, I suppose yes - they will. But in real conditions, if they cease to exist, it will only become the provinces of the Russian Federation, as Crimea did. And it's time to admit it. Themselves first cut off these regions from themselves with a rabid nationalist agenda, and now go mad screaming "Ryayayaya! Evil Russians stole our land !!"
                1. Binder Online Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 25 November 2020 16: 00
                  -2
                  Quote: unholyknight
                  I guess when will Georgia become part of Russia again?

                  This is out of the question. not only will Georgia never become a part of Russia, but many Russian regions will secede from the Russian Federation.
    2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 23 November 2020 18: 59
      +1
      Everything is correct. As soon as one Iskander or Caliber falls on the territory of Turkey, and Erdogan is sulking. His guts are thin, to fight with Russia! Ponty is everything. Erdogan simply knows where the stash of Putin and his friends is kept. So he plays on this.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 23 November 2020 20: 24
        -1
        Oh, where? And then they are looking, looking, they cannot find everything ...
  9. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
    Rashid116 (Rashid) 23 November 2020 22: 32
    0
    Our country will pay for everything, including the lives of our guys, and blacks will use everything. Do not buy anything from the Azeris and Turks, and from the Armenians too. Let them fight for their homeland, both of them. Whoever they occupied here, in the markets. Do not pass by when they crowd your compatriots, always harness for your own people, do not care whether he is right or not. Fast food, do not buy from them and do not sell, have pride. I have been doing this for a long time. The only one I work with from their tribe is the Dagi. People seem to be adequate, at least I come across such, not pontorez yes and the Russians seem to be all the same.
    1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
      Rashid116 (Rashid) 23 November 2020 22: 57
      -1
      But no, there was one case with the dags. They came to us in Tatarstan for equipment, my friend sold them his used earmuff, looked after himself a new one. We discussed everything in absentia, sent all the photos, agreed on the price. They come and start downloading, like this is not Well, my friend has no problems, guys, I will complete them for a fee, they saw the pictures, they agreed on the price, no question at all. No, they need a full set for the same price, otherwise the mobile team will come to you at Here we were torn apart, it was in the sauna, everyone was already on edge, we were going to go to them in our underwear (we knew where we were staying). The same comrade stopped, I need to throw him off quickly anyway, he says. It turns out that he has already made an advance payment for the new one. Lan, we say, you understand that you are rushing us with such a movement, our man for the next negotiations. They have such dumb things, the next (she is the last) meeting was complete mutual respect. Our man I see to it that these are calculated as agreed and our friend did not return line I didn’t give a penny. And if I began to chew snot and didn’t blabber about drunkenness, I would have spread the sweet))).
      1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
        Peter rybak (Patrol) 24 November 2020 19: 22
        0
        Baptized Tatar?
        It seems to be an adult, but you carry all kinds of heresy.
        1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
          Rashid116 (Rashid) 25 November 2020 09: 23
          -1
          Not baptized, I don’t believe in anything at all, only in myself))). I don’t force anyone to believe me either.
  10. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
    unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 24 November 2020 00: 30
    +1
    The statement about "airspace" is just a laughing matter for the chickens. As if the Russian Federation will care whose airspace is there when their soldiers are under fire. Yes, there are calibers and iskanders flying in Azeri-djan, knocking out the air defense, and then airfields will be captured and reinforcements will be provided along them. So if they start firing at the peacekeepers actively, only Georgia 2008 will be repeated. And Baku fully understands this.
    1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 24 November 2020 19: 24
      0
      Why shoot at them? Under the agreement, they can simply be asked to leave. And they will have to do it.
      How many more firefighters are there? Did you serve, fight, see corpses with severed limbs?
      Warriors.
      1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
        unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 25 November 2020 15: 33
        0
        So it is said about a military scenario, when Azerbaijan decides to destroy peacekeepers behind some forest like Georgia in 2008. I spoke about this particular scenario, which was described above. The fact is that if Azerbaijan is satisfied with something, then the Russian Federation will not care a little about whose airspace is there.
  11. Alkatrass A Offline Alkatrass A
    Alkatrass A (Аlkatrass A) 24 November 2020 13: 17
    +1
    Russia is a military ally of Armenia. At the same time, Russia is a mediator in the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement, which does not give Russia the opportunity, both formally and in fact, to directly use its allied obligations to Armenia. This has become a very heavy burden for Russia and has revealed many problems.
    But now, to all its other problems in terms of allied relations, Russia has added one more problem. In addition to the unbearably heavy burden of alliance with the Armenians and active mediation in the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement, generous Russia has also shouldered the peacekeeping responsibilities in the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement.
    Straight some sort of trouble. If mediation prevented Russia from fulfilling its allied obligations to Armenia, then the duties of a peacekeeper in the conflict zone further complicate the fulfillment of allied obligations, if, for example, the Ivory Coast makes claims to the Ararat valley.
    We all understand perfectly well that Russia will instantly fulfill its allied obligations if Armenia is subjected to aggression by alien states, and then if the alien attack on Armenia is actually proven by the relevant commission.
    By the way. What happened to the commission to identify the facts of the attack on Armenia, which was created a month ago after the attacks on Gegharkunik and Syunik? Is the commission still in the sobering-up center?
    1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 24 November 2020 19: 25
      0
      What is Gegharkunik?
      1. Alkatrass A Offline Alkatrass A
        Alkatrass A (Аlkatrass A) 24 November 2020 19: 30
        0
        This is actually a region in Armenia. Whose ally is Russia
        1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
          Peter rybak (Patrol) 24 November 2020 19: 31
          -1
          Quote: Alkatrass A
          This is actually a region in Armenia. Whose ally is Russia

          You just wrote the text and made a mistake - "ally". Why are there no mistakes in your large texts? Because you copy them from somewhere? Not from the Sputnik Armenia website?
  12. Lechi B. Offline Lechi B.
    Lechi B. (Treat Bashirov) 24 November 2020 19: 37
    0
    Nobody is immune to surprises.
  13. Azer Hasanli Offline Azer Hasanli
    Azer Hasanli (Azer Hasanli) 24 November 2020 20: 39
    -4
    Yeah, great, what kind of victory for Russia is the author inventing in the South Caucasus? Russia simply reintroduced its occupation contingent in an insolent manner when the war was already ending with the complete victory of Azerbaijan. The illegitimate agreement between Putin, Aliyev and Pashinyan caused sharp discontent among the people of Azerbaijan. Russia had the audacity to steal our complete victory. Well, thus Russia has the folly to continue to breed Russophobia in the world.
    The author is completely wrong about the version of the collapse for Russia in the South Caucasus. Namely, on what basis does the author associate this version with the introduction of Turkish troops into the region? This input of Turkish troops has long been demanded by the people of Azerbaijan. The author simply does not know this nuance, engaging in primitive reasoning about the alleged expansion of the Turkish "Sultan" (ay author, you are stuck in the 19th century, today there is a president in Turkey, not a sultan). Erdogan's strength is not in himself as such, but in the powerful development of Turkey in recent decades.
    The weakness of Russia is that it is merely a raw material appendage of the West. Russia has never been able to modernize its economy. Russia missed its chance in the form of oil money because of Putin's thieves' regime. Russia could have had money, if not the domination of w / Freemasonry, which fused stolen finances into foreign banks, into a mass of factories and factories built by these thieves abroad. And the Russian bear cub (Russia is no longer a bear) can only suck on his fingers to fight his half-starved state.
    Azerbaijan, at the cost of the lives of its valiant soldiers, defeated the Armenian army. At the same time, there was not a single foreign mercenary in the Azerbaijani army at the front. Our soldier is much stronger than mercenaries, because he is strongly motivated to liberate his native land. This is where the main danger for Russia is - if necessary, our soldier will throw the Russians out not only from Karabakh, but also from Yerevan. The Russian contingent will not be in Karabakh for five years. We will not allow Russia to establish a base on its soil. And we have powerful allies - Turkey, Pakistan, the Turkic world, Afghanistan, Iran, etc. The 100 million Azeri ethnic group will not allow Russia to sit in Karabakh and in the South Caucasus in general.
    Russia, you have a lot of problems in the economy. Why the devil are you meddling in your own business? What, a dull thirst for foreign lands, resources does not allow you to deal with your screaming problems? Russia, know that if you fall on your feet of clay, then only yourself will be to blame for this. It's time to grow wiser .... Otherwise, Russia simply will not. Hasanli. Azerbaijan.
    1. magma Offline magma
      magma (Tatyana) 25 November 2020 12: 15
      +1
      our soldier will throw the Russians out not only from Karabakh, but also from Yerevan. The Russian contingent will not be in Karabakh for five years. We will not allow Russia to establish a base on its soil.

      He will not allow ... lol You won't go anywhere. You will twitch as ordered.
      1. Azer Hasanli Offline Azer Hasanli
        Azer Hasanli (Azer Hasanli) 19 December 2020 18: 27
        -2
        It's time for you to twitch to escape the mafia, thieves' regime. During the post-Soviet period, 35 million Russians have left for good in other countries. If it had not been for the arrival of guest workers from post-Soviet countries, then today it would hardly have been Russia at all, and you would have had to grope in Chinese, and the other part in Hebrew. Less unreasonable ambition. From the former Russian Empire, only horns and legs remained. Azerbaijan.
    2. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
      unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 25 November 2020 15: 36
      0
      Where did Azerbaijan get its opinion in foreign policy from, and when the great powers began to take it into account, you will not enlighten me? Azerbaijan is a limitrophe on the southern border of the Russian Federation, where it considers its backyard. If the Turks decide to get there, the Russian Federation considers this a problem and considers it necessary to take appropriate measures, and does not care a little about the opinion that your government, and even more so your people. Guys - excuse me, but in foreign policy you are an empty place, as it should be for any limitrophe. So when a white man tells you to "jump" your government will ask "how high?"
      1. Azer Hasanli Offline Azer Hasanli
        Azer Hasanli (Azer Hasanli) 19 December 2020 18: 31
        -3
        Do you consider yourself smarter than me? On what grounds? You haven't presented a single clever idea yet. You are still living with 19th century performances. Ay, wake up.
  14. bb Offline bb
    bb (mmm) 25 November 2020 09: 15
    -1
    Here it should be added that the victory of Russia was also ensured by the hardest defeat of Armenia, if Armenia had not found itself in a situation of losing all of Karabakh, Russia would not have been able to squeeze into this agreement, for Baku it was a chance to legitimize the seizure of most of Karabakh and a 5th respite for strengthening their position just in time for them
  15. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 27 November 2020 15: 22
    +1
    Some sort of demagoguery. Fortune-telling, not analysis.
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