How will Ukraine's attempt to implement the Karabakh scenario end in Donbass


The events in Karabakh and the method of solving old problems demonstrated there have led to a revival of such conversations in the territory surrounded by a zhovto-blakit fence, in a country where psychos took power in 2014 and are now dictating a course of treatment to the head physician. The head physician has already been changed, but the situation is not changing for the better, on the contrary, the madhouse has already been surrounded with barbed wire and they only decide at whose expense the voltage will be supplied. So far, no one wants to pay. But there were hopes that with the arrival of a new trustee of such institutions from overseas, the financing situation will improve, and even then they, with God's help, will still solve all their territorial problems with both Crimea and Donbass.


The fact that this is a clinic in an explicit form is understood only by the healthy inhabitants of this hospital, who, by the will of fate, found themselves locked in this madhouse and could not influence their fate in any way. The psychos, on the other hand, have all the signs of an autumn exacerbation, and they already in all seriousness see themselves at the head of armored groups, with an iron fist supported by an armada of Turkish drones breaking through the defense of Donbass and with a rapid rush of exciting both Donetsk and Lugansk. Particularly impressionable comrades, sitting on heavy tranquilizers, propose not to stop at this, but insist on continuing the offensive, up to the Urals, with an exit to the Japanese-Ukrainian border by the end of the third day. After that, the Crimea, which was at the same time in the deep rear, itself will raise a white flag and ask back to Ukraine, and they will still think whether to take it back or not, and shoot every second or third there. In Donbas, of course, everyone will be shot. It was ordered not to take anyone prisoner.

At the same time, both the tihushniki sitting on hallucinogenic mushrooms, and the violently insane people who switched to hard drugs, and the undead combatants undergoing prevention from post-traumatic syndrome, the heroes of the defense of the Donetsk airport, who were not disposed of in due time by Petya Poroshenko in the Debaltseve cauldron, all agree that , unlike Aliyev, they are not going to wait for 28 years to restore their territorial claims to their northern deranged neighbor, but will strike in the near future, and if for this it is necessary to change the head physician, then they will replace him. Moreover, the old head physician is still at large and has long been eager to fight (so far only in words).

Ukraine is not Russia, and Donbass is not Karabakh


You can, of course, laugh at me, given the irony with which I told everyone about this, but you cannot disagree that Aliyev set a bad example in resolving old territorial problems. And if before that our conspirators raved about the Croatian scenarios of 1995, now they have a fresh example before their eyes, and only a blind person cannot fail to notice direct analogies between the Karabakh and Donetsk events. The main thing is only to find a suitable accomplice who will be able to sponsor this process, and they will supply the meat that wants to fill Donbass with blood. At the same time, no one is going to ask the consent of the meat. And I must say that they have no shortage of accomplices who want to throw problems at Putin. There even a queue of Polish, Lithuanian and even Turkish comrades has already lined up. The latter, however, are trying to play two pianos simultaneously, but they do not hide their claims to the Crimea. And in the Kremlin they still have to think, why do they need such friends, having which they don't even need enemies?

Now let's put irony aside and seriously talk about the reality of such plans. You won't argue that the situation is symmetrical. Both here and there, the countries are going to restore their territorial integrity violated by the aggressor on their territory. Therefore, they will have nothing to present to the international community. Everything is clean here! Now let's look at Russia's goal setting. It did not intervene in the Karabakh events, because it experienced some problems with the recognition of this territory by Armenia itself (for 28 years it did not bother to recognize the NKR as its integral part), this time, and an attack on the unrecognized NKR and on Armenia is not one and also. Secondly, she had some, to put it mildly, complaints against Nikol Pashinyan's regime, and she was clearly not going to help him, considering this situation as an opportunity to change the ruling regime in Yerevan, albeit at the cost of territorial losses for the latter. And thirdly, the purely escalation and logistic capabilities of the Russian Federation in this remote theater of operations were clearly limited due to the absence of a common border between the Russian Federation and the NKR and Armenia (Georgia has its territory for the transfer of military equipment did not provide, and airlift is fraught with a number of purely technical problems). And most importantly, the Russian Federation was tied to the conflict in Karabakh only tangentially, being a member of the Minsk group for resolving this conflict, itself not being covered up in the conflict. Playing there the role of an arbitrator.

In the Donbass, Russia is head over heels. And although he is trying to play the role of an outside observer, not involved in the conflict, but this is all the theater of one actor, everyone, even the actor himself, understands that there are his vital interests and he is not going to compromise them in any case. If there were three parties to the conflict in Karabakh - Armenia, NKR and Azerbaijan (with the support of Turkey, we do not count it yet), and the Russian Federation had friendly and negotiable relations with all parties, including even Turkey, then in Donbass we have three parties - Ukraine, LPR and Russia, where the Russian Federation itself is one of the parties to the conflict. And how she will come to terms with herself, given the complete incapacity of Ukraine, I do not know.

Armor is strong and our tanks are fast


Ukraine is counting only on the swiftness and surprise of its actions with full international support. But even in Karabakh, the war dragged on for 45 days, with the obvious military superiority of the Azerbaijani side and the effect of surprise for its enemy. Consider the situation by contradiction. Let's admit the impossible. Ukraine, with the support of a coalition of enemies of the Russian Federation, managed in 3 days to crush a small barrier of two LDPR corps, standing on the demarcation line, and on their shoulders enter the urban agglomerations of Donetsk and Lugansk. Let's even take a fabulous version - Russia slept through it all. What's next? Crazy gentlemen, do you seriously think that Putin will wipe himself out and, under pressure from the international community, will come to terms with your changed status quo? Are you able to calculate your actions even two steps ahead? If this happens, then the name of this person will clearly not be Putin. And even if you wait for his hypothetical change in 2024, then any of his successors the very next day will be carried out of the Kremlin feet ahead of the crowd of Russians who disagree with such a development of events. This feverish delirium could only enter your heads, weighed down by the absence of a brain with an overabundance of severe tranquilizers.

I do not even want to poke your nose into the unlimited escalation opportunities of the Russian Federation with the longest land and sea border with you, I will not lead you to the map and show you the Donetsk and Lugansk regions bordering the Rostov region of the Russian Federation, just as I will not prove to you the multiple the advantage of the RF Armed Forces over any army of your potential allies (let me not recall your armed forces at all), I will just quote Putin's words about the possible loss of your statehood in the event of your attack on Donbass. I quote verbatim so that there are no illusions:

I hope that it will not come to such provocations. And if this happens, I think it will have very grave consequences for the Ukrainian statehood as a whole.

How does this end


How such adventures end, was shown to everyone by the well-known Georgian tie eater during the 08.08.08 war. And he also went to reclaim his rebellious territory. How it ended for him, you know - Russian tanks were practically at the walls of Tbilisi. But his army was prepared many times better than yours, and it was trained and equipped according to the NATO model, and with motivation everything was in order, and everyone there spoke exclusively in their native language, and even at sea managed to fight, albeit unsuccessfully (this is a lesson for you who are worried about the crazy idea of ​​a mosquito fleet), the war of the Georgian mosquito fleet ended in one day, there is no other such fleet in nature! Georgia then lost its territories, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Moreover, forever. What you risk losing, I don't know, I don't think that Putin will capture Kiev, but you will definitely lose the entire left bank, Odessa inclusive. But what do you want Mikho Saakashvili with his tasteless ties? You have never learned from the mistakes of others, even on your own for 7 years you have not learned anything, and your ties (unlike Georgian ones) will be tastier.

Therefore, I ask you very much - you really do not delay your attack on Donbass. And so we all have been waiting for him for 7 years. I really would not like to wait as long (and you will not last longer, you will disappear from the world map in a natural way with a reduction in external funding). Let's fry already on these Tatar-Mongols who invaded your land, drenched with the blood of ancient proto-ukr, and show them that you are worthy sons of Roman legionaries, from where you lead your family. Please, please! .. Funeral at the expense of the institution. Russia pays for the banquet.
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  1. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 07: 35
    -1
    there will be no Georgian scenario. no one will feed Kharkiv and Kiev. will bury several thousand ukrov and push the borders of ldnr a few kilometers and that's it. and by the way, Putin promised to increase the number of hotspots in baboons in such a case ... so it could also blaze in the west.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 10: 55
      +6
      Feeding is optional. You can deport all UKROPs, like the Nazis from Kaliningrad. And it is not only possible, but also necessary. Those who are involved in the genocide of the Russian people should be shot at the first barn they come across.
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 10: 57
        -1
        where to deport them? Ukrainians are not at all and no one needs.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 00
          +4
          There are a lot of Ukrainians, for example, in Canada, it actively hosted Hitler's undead from the SS Galicia and similar units. So where to deport is not a question. As a last resort, to the rotten Bandera barge ...
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            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 04
              +5
              Canada's consent should be the least worried about the Russian Federation. Canada will not accept, because there is a lot of space in the Black Sea, everything will fit there. In the Donetsk ditches, they have already been dug quite a bit, and they can be dug even more.
              1. passing by Offline passing by
                passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 06
                -2
                So let them put themselves in there, hang, cut, smash pots against the wall ... but without Russia's interference! the traditions of Sahaidachny, Khmelnitsky and Bandera are well developed, they have enough imagination.
                1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 10
                  +5
                  Without the intervention of the Russian Federation, it will not work. People like you do not understand that Dill is a mad dog and you cannot come to an agreement with it and living next to it is anxious and dangerous, for it is fraught with nasty surprises. They shouted that Crimea would be Ukrainian, or deserted ... So I see no reason to stand on ceremony with them ... But give them Crimea now, so they have great appetites, they will trample on Voronezh and Lipetsk and Kuban, they have long write that Ukraine needs a common border with Georgia, of course, at the expense of the territories, as they believe, temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation
                  1. passing by Offline passing by
                    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 13
                    -2
                    they will be burned in the digging area and will not give anything away. they have been actively committing suicide for 6 years now and will continue this in the future. no one will divide shit by grade. the Kuban of the temporarily occupied Russian Federation is also believed by the supporters of great Armenia.
                    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 16
                      +1
                      Everything is relative. They can go to Voronezh, but Perekop is not there. Several mechanized divisions, these animals can quite collect. The border guards of the Russian Federation will only have to die on the ground, as in 1941. Further from the border to the big cities, the tanks have a few hours of travel. And to knock them out of their territory, forgive me, is already a crime and genocide of the Russian people, this cannot be allowed, because the battle in our cities will lead to huge casualties among our civilian population.
                      1. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 19
                        -2
                        what divisions? they cannot cover their front. one battery for 10 tanks and fuel from Belarus. plus the complete absence of aviation. they will not arrange Karabakh, but the slaughter of plague pigs!
                      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 22
                        +1
                        Do not worry, they now have divisions, because of those who like to scratch their tongues, because of which they were not discharged in 2014, and then it could have been easier to do. I already wrote to you, they will enter the settlement of the Russian Federation and who are you going to bomb there ?! Own ?! Only those who have not been to the war can reason like this. Aviation is a good thing, but it will not work to bomb so as not to catch the houses, with which the UKROPs will cover themselves.
                      3. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 25
                        -2
                        lovers of feeding the captive Ukrainians, in order to understand and forgive them again, were in the minority. I would have hooked at home, but this is my personal opinion laughing with similar reasoning to Tuzakov, he considers the Ukrainians to be a fraternal people, not me.
                      4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 29
                        +3
                        At home it is better to cling to strangers, not your own, and for this you need to fight in Dnepropetrovsk, and not in Voronezh. For me, these animals are not fraternal people, but just animals. Back in the 90s in Odessa, at the Soviet base of missile boats, they staged robberies and massacres, because not everyone there wanted to swear allegiance to Ukraine. I don’t need prisoners, I need a Russian Odessa without Bandera’s, and what to do with them, I don’t care, even under machine guns in the very first ravine. They did not stand on ceremony with ours and I do not consider it necessary to feel sorry for them
                      5. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 31
                        -3
                        will they get to Voronezh by train? Hitler traveled from all over Europe for several years, and here ... take Luhansk, Donetsk, Rostov, Volgograd ... dreaming is not harmful
                      6. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 34
                        +1
                        And here Voronezh is a border town and it's not a problem to get to it, if you do not forestall the ghouls and turn their heads
                      7. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 36
                        -3
                        I get tired of answering nonsense. echelons, barracks, fuel and ammunition depots are destroyed. thousands of Ukrainians go to feed the dogs and do not cross the Russian border.
                      8. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 38
                        +2
                        this is if they struck a preemptive blow, and if we continue to chew snot, we will wait until they have to fight on the streets of Rostov, Voronezh, Lipetsk, Belgorod and the loss of civilians in our cities will be huge
                      9. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 39
                        -3
                        first let them get to the streets of donetsk ... 2/3 of the equipment since 2014 they have already lost
                      10. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 43
                        +2
                        They'll get there. Karabakh has now greatly inspired them. More than 72 T-150s alone were repaired + about 50 T-80s + about 20 new Oplots ... We bought 300 BMP-1s. UAVs from Turkey. One and a half dozen planes were repaired and they are going to attack simultaneously with the attack of the Romanians on Transnistria. You would read their sites, then you would have no doubt that you will have to fight with them.
                      11. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 44
                        -4
                        what kind of drones? they have no engines !!! and how they "repaired" is known. painted boxes in tow. and Petya solemnly handed over.
                      12. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 46
                        +1
                        Do not confuse drones delivered from Turkey with the rubbish that they tried to pass off as the achievements of Ukrainian factories. There are Turkish engines and they are quite combat capable
                      13. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 47
                        -4
                        on Turkish drones, Canadian engines! Canada no longer supplies.
                      14. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 48
                        +1
                        So she does not supply it now, and then, the Turks are already setting up the production of their motors, there is not a big problem, the engine is only 100 liters C. The delivery of Turkish drones to Ukraine was six months ago and everything is complete
                      15. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 51
                        -5
                        and then suddenly, on the border with the Rostov region, electronic warfare begins to work and drones are pouring in ...
                      16. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 53
                        +3
                        In order for everything to work so dashingly, you need to have an army at the border, but there is none, because everyone is playing with Minsk nonsense, despite the fact that even the donkey understands that Kiev will not fulfill these agreements. In addition, the one who waits until he is kicked and is going to defend himself always loses, or has Pirov's victory.
                      17. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 55
                        -4
                        how many hours did it take to transfer the Russian army to Georgia?
                      18. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 56
                        +1
                        Not hours, but a day, but in a day they will take all the border towns and villages
                      19. passing by Offline passing by
                        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 14: 10
                        -4
                        "strategist" Girkin also argued that there would be no Debaltsevo boiler and that the Ukrainian army was the strongest ...
                      20. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 16: 35
                        0
                        I am not Ukrainian and I know the value of my guys. By the way, whoever, and the Polish special forces in the Donbas, we tore like Tuzik a heating pad. Our colleagues tore apart the Romanian special forces in the Crimea. They won't talk about it on TV, but it happened.
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                      22. cdmax Odessa Offline cdmax Odessa
                        cdmax Odessa (cdmax Odessa) 25 November 2020 02: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        I am not Ukrainian and I know the value of my guys. By the way, whoever, and the Polish special forces in the Donbas, we tore like Tuzik a heating pad. Our colleagues tore apart the Romanian special forces in the Crimea. They won't talk about it on TV, but it happened.

                        Are you on the author's pills? What special forces in the Crimea ???
                      23. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 November 2020 04: 22
                        0
                        I will ask the author not to add to this! completely on the side of Sapsan 136, although I know for sure that the Crimean parliament took Girkin's detachment and there was not yet any special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs there (everything happened very quickly, they did not have time to transfer). Later, the guys who entered the RG structure a couple of years later took control of everything (then they were just maroon berets, special forces of the BB)
                      24. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 25 November 2020 19: 59
                        +4
                        Romanian special forces abandoned in Crimea in 2014 with the aim of committing sabotage and terrorist acts at military and civilian facilities in Crimea. For example, groups of militants repeatedly attempted to poison a number of facilities supplying water to civilian facilities in Crimea in Crimea.
          2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 November 2020 04: 07
            -2
            I will ask the chief specialist in electronic warfare and electronic warfare on this site just a couple of questions:
            1) what are you doing here in the middle of the working day?
            2) is it hard to work without getting off the couch, the bosses will not scold?
            3) what kind of electronic warfare do you intend to use to cover 800 km of the border and what will you do if the Ukrov UAVs encode their communication channel or even jam their signal, crossing the border in radio silence mode?
          3. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 25 November 2020 09: 43
            -4
            To be fair, Albert Einstein was a crook.
  2. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 49
    -4
    I read the sites of Romanians. they say first they will start with the Ukrainians
  3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 50
    +1
    In Moldova, a Romanian woman has now become president, so the absorption of Moldova by Romania will be forced, and for this they need to cut out Transnistria
  4. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 54
    -4
    transnistria is on the other side than romania. that's when the united romania decides to clean up Bukovina then the question will be raised. thousands of dead Moldovans will increase the rating of this lady?)))
  5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 54
    +1
    Tomorrow Moldova will announce that it is part of Romania and then you will have Bukovina ...
  6. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 57
    -4
    neither tomorrow nor this year. such issues are not quickly resolved. Germany is still not fully united.
  7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 11: 59
    +1
    Decided. The President of Moldova is already a citizen of Romania, what are you still missing ?! Moldova is poor, many have or want to have Romanian passports in order to be able to work in the EU
  8. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 00
    -4
    So what? there are millions of non-citizens. different economies, different currencies, different languages, etc! to raise poor Moldova and fight? laughing
  9. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 02
    +1
    Currency is not a problem at all, not citizens will be made citizens, forced to leave, or destroyed. Unarmed civilians are worthless here. Romania will simply bring in an army.
  10. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 03
    -4
    Can Russia also destroy in Donbass those who did not have time to get a Russian passport in order to quickly attach? don't talk nonsense !!!
  11. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 10
    +1
    Here the question is, did not have time, or did not want to ?! Enough time has passed. Whoever wanted, he received
  12. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 14
    -4
    no one has had time or received anything yet. Russia has better relations with the Romanians than with the Bulgarians.
  13. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 15
    +2
    Blessed is he who believes. You should go to Donbass to see it yourself, and listen to fairy tales on TV. And relations with the Romanians have never been and never will be, because the Romanians are aimed at absorbing Moldova and liquidating Transnistria.
  14. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 18
    -4
    this "donbass" half of the composition has long been in Russia in the face of all sorts of noguzaderischenko .... to look at all sorts of shocking, you can not go anywhere. all geography. luhansk, donetsk, mariupol. already in the bosses and they teach life.
  15. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 20
    +1
    You shouldn't be like that. Shocking they are different. Someone considers himself Russian and is ready for it even to the cross, like Jesus Christ, while others seem to speak pure Russian, but Bandera.
  16. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 22
    -4
    that there was no one other than the Tolstoy. the rest of the "vacationers" can Pavlov be a native of Donetsk or Girkin? Ukrainian surnames are not found among the militia commanders.
  17. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 24
    +1
    Yes, there are more than 50% Russians. in any case by surnames, and with Ukrainian surnames there are quite a few Russians, but there are also Bandera, including those with Russian surnames
  18. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 27
    -4
    when asked why there is no sabotage on the railway, they answer that this is a terrorist attack against the Ukrainian brothers. let them russify further. and I do not need here about the Bandera. in comparison with the "exploits" of the Cossacks they are just children.
  19. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 41
    +2
    This is how everything comes from Moscow. Chernomyrdin, for example, merged the interests of the Russian Federation in favor of Ukraine in full growth, and the GDP had enough cleverness to name an icebreaker in his honor. Not for nothing they say that the heroism of the soldiers is a consequence of the criminal stupidity of the commanders
  20. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 45
    -3
    Chernomyrdin is a war criminal like Khmelnytsky or Sagaidachny? Let's go on the second round? Moscow is smart enough not to reeducate Ukrainians. And he does the right thing. it's useless. the doctor said to the morgue.
  21. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 53
    +3
    Chernomyrdin is a criminal, through whose fault the Russian fleet was left without ship turbines for a long time. You are wrong to think that in Ukraine everything will resolve itself. You need to be relocated to the villages of the Rostov region bordering on Ukraine, in order to save you from fantasies dangerous for the Russian Federation.
  22. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 12: 55
    -3
    there was nothing initially to build factories from ukrov. now turbines are produced in Russia and their performance is better. and they would have used the old stuff from the Sumerians and wondered why the Japanese on boats overtake our border guards.
  23. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 12: 56
    +1
    So after the collapse of the USSR, 30 years have passed, it was necessary to turn on the head, build factories at home, and not rely on UKROPs to the last. And people like you still live with UKROPs according to the principle - Thunder will not break out, a man will not cross himself.
  24. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 00
    -4
    firstly, hundreds of lost factories and communications cannot be quickly restored, and secondly, there are no countries that produce everything for themselves. Tomorrow the bulbashi will kick up and start to be indignant why didn’t find a replacement for their tractors?
  25. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 02
    +1
    in the first 30 years, this is more than a lot, in order to turn on the head and build factories. secondly, all normal countries provide key points, such as defense, for themselves ... and in the third, there is nothing to nod at the USSR, which is 30 years old, you have to answer for your mistakes and stupidity, and not look for your stupidity even more not smart excuses ...
  26. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 04
    -6
    who should have included? Nemtsov, Gaidr, Yeltsin? or are you talking about yourself? everyone is to blame except for himself ...
  27. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 05
    +2
    I'm talking about Chernomyrdin, who, for bribes, sold the interests of the Russian Federation to Ukraine and similar clowns who, in Minsk, sell the interests of the Russian Federation and its people for a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies.
  28. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 10
    -3
    everyone understands Russia's interests differently. Ukrainians are not in my interests either alive or carcass. neither Poroshenko nor Zakharchenko. fat died and the earth rest in peace to him.
  29. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 12
    +2
    I don't give a damn about Ukrainians, but I'm interested in the lands of Russia. And people like you, who have a hut on the edge, because there is no war in their city, the Russian Federation is useless. For your information, in the villages of the Rostov region, people have already died because of the Bandera shelling, the same citizens of the Russian Federation as you are no worse than you and you do not care about them, because they are not shooting at your house ...
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  31. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 17
    +1
    The Internet will help you. I would like to know when they died, I would know, but you don't care, they are not shooting at you.
  32. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 18
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    I know perfectly well when they fired and what they looked like afterwards.
  33. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 19
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    Well, tell me, otherwise we are the officers of the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation are not in the know ... Although, we were in the Donbass, and you are not
  34. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 21
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    you look more like the daughter of a Crimean officer than special forces. and not in Donbass, but in Donbass. Or Russian special forces officers are not taught the Russian language?
  35. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 24
    +3
    I would say who people like you are like, but I don’t want to offend the administration of the site ... Instead of shooting the Bandera people who escaped from the encirclement to the territory of the Russian Federation, you wiped their snot, and then they went to kill the Russians again ... They killed the residents Russian Rostov region and you swallowed it, showing that you do not care about the people in the Russian Federation and the fact that in the West you have not been considered men for a long time
  36. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 27
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    How did they run away from the environment of the "spetsnaz"?))) and who are you? don't you consider yourself a Russian already? and what they think gays in the west are not interesting. by the way, you have violated at least the presidential decree now ...
  37. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 32
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    You, who have a hut on the edge. You should be judged like that, because you are tearing the Russian Federation to pieces. Today you don’t care about Rostov, and tomorrow in Rostov they will say that they don’t care about you and your city and will have the moral right to do so, because when in Rostov you had problems you didn’t raise your z ... from the couch, and after that and Nobody is obliged to help you.
  38. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 36
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    There were no problems in Rostov. there were several arrivals of Ukrainian shells before the ukrov drove away and several heroes wounded in the ass. Rostov will have problems from those who have already been issued a Russian passport. and therefore you, as an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. I belong to the army, not to cops. truncated?
  39. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 38
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    Well, since there were no problems in Rostov, it means that you won't have any problems when your house and your family will be smashed to such a grandmother with shells or something else ... That's all ... And the special forces are not cops, cops like you Sober people are transported, and we did not get out from the Caucasus, while you were grooving women at home, ate vodka and slept in a warm bed.
  40. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 44
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    don't judge by yourself) ... you can't even clearly explain how the Ukrainians will suddenly find themselves on the border with Russia, and have already sent them to Voronezh. warrior .... I see tactics, strategy, military maps, and so on, you did not pass.
  41. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 13: 54
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    And we have never been there, at your demonstrations and do not whistle here about shells allegedly accidentally flown into Rostov ... They fired at the Crimea, too, you will say by chance ... If your pants are wet, resign, or shoot yourself somewhere, that's enough country shame and let people down !!!
  42. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 58
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    what "my" demonstrations?))) you need to eat! I'm not going to fight your Ukrainians and divide them into good and bad! I think that they ALL should stop feeding, not give any passports, and not wait for the next Maidan in 50 years. Protect Shevchenko from Bondarenko because one is supposedly a European and the other is "Russian"? both of them are Ukrainians!
  43. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 16: 37
    +1
    And I believe that it is necessary to free the Russian lands from non-Russians, and to evict the non-Russians who are sick with Russophobia from the Russian Federation ..
  44. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 16: 45
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    So how many types of "non-Russians" live on the territory of the Russian Federation? 100-150? Turkic: Tatars, Bashkirs, Finougorsk: Mordovians, Chuvash, Mari, not to mention the Mongoloids from Altai to Vladivostok. will you destroy everyone? Probably you feel fierce hatred towards Kabardians, Circassians, Adyghes, Dagestanis? Or are you talking about those whose national republics are not part of the Russian Federation? for example Little Russians with Belarusians?
  45. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 November 2020 21: 00
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    Nerus, these are not those who differ from the Russian nationality, but those who are sick with Russophobia and this is the lion's share of immigrants from the former republics of the USSR, who have pinned themselves to the Russian Federation for profits, and not out of love for the Russian Federation. And in Belarus animals under red and white flags differ from UKROP animals under red and black flags only in name, but not in essence. They consider it normal to shout that Crimea will be Ukrainian or deserted ?! So why don't they start to get used to the idea that Odessa can become Russian, or deserted (it will not become deserted, but I do not consider Bandera people as people, but they consider only themselves people, but not like me, in general, we have they have mutual warm feelings for each other, so in the war we will figure it out hu out of yu) ... And I see you like them ?! Can you change your citizenship ?!
  46. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 21: 03
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    Well, then it's all Ukrainians at least. They are not going to give their lives here for Russia. vyrus add do not forget to non-Russians.
  47. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 25 November 2020 19: 53
    +4
    22.10.20/25.11.20/XNUMX Special Forces of the FSB of the Russian Federation neutralized a group of immigrants from the countries of the former USSR who were preparing terrorist attacks in Moscow and Vladimir. On XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the special forces of the FSB of the Russian Federation neutralized a group of immigrants from the countries of the former USSR who were preparing a terrorist attack in Moscow. And after that we must love you ?! Let the devils love you for this !!! And do not mow here under the Russian, this is already ridiculous!
  48. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 25 November 2020 20: 02
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    ..I will not call them people not exactly fraternal people. if a Ukrainian is Russian for you, that's your problem.
  49. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 25 November 2020 20: 04
    +3
    Well, you may not call the UKRs people, but you do not consider the Russians as people, and the interests of the Russian Federation are alien to you.
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  51. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 25 November 2020 20: 25
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    The interests of the Russian Federation are to return their lands, and not to feed at its own expense any two-faced animals and their country, who are sick with Russophobia, from the countries of the former Union who are sick with Russophobia.
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  • bubasa Offline bubasa
    bubasa (Konstantin) 24 November 2020 16: 58
    -1
    Europeans, like Pavlensky;) they want - they do not want, the problems of the Aborgen sheriff do not care;) are they already feeding the Arabs? fed, so let them feed ukrov.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 17: 09
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      if without moronism they will be forced out to Kiev, which is not part of Novorossiya, Little Poland, Transcarpathia and Bukovina. and let them build an agrarian power.
      1. bubasa Offline bubasa
        bubasa (Konstantin) 24 November 2020 17: 12
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        build? Ukrainians? You are clearly mistaken about building, the Central Europeans are incapable of this ..
        1. passing by Offline passing by
          passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 17: 17
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          The labor market in Europe fell like dominoes ... before, Ukrainians washed toilets instead of Poles ... now unemployed Poles have no choice. they will not be allowed to wash the toilet in Germany. have to wash at home instead of Ukrainian. how they will build another question. the more their cascade of dams is cracking. can wash off half of the tribe at once.
  • maybe to Yamal?
  • Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 24 November 2020 08: 08
    +1
    It seems to me that country 404 is intended for an auxiliary strike. Namely, in a massive attack on Russia from all sides (Karabakh, Transnistria again). It will simply fall on all sides at the same time, and if you consider that in fact Karabakh and Transnistria are our peacekeepers, then Russia will have to react and not childishly. And this is a scattering of forces and means. But this is my personal opinion.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 08: 54
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      This "blow" has been going on for 6 years ... Ukrainians are dying, and Russia has not come to the war. more than half of them do not pay for gas now, and then what? Bankruptcy, blackouts, hunger? do not want to be a neutral territory, they will become an empty territory.
    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 24 November 2020 10: 15
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      I fully support what you said, the ukrogaly people will wait for the order "fas" from their overseas masters, who, in collusion with the Japanese, Chinese, Turks, British and Scandinavians, can invade our lands from all sides, and due to the complete superiority of NATO and European-Asian The Entente over our army, and we, as a last resort, will have to use nuclear weapons, and as they say, everything is in dust ... Biden has very big health problems, akin to the health of the late McCain, and his new Secretary of State is generally frostbitten, so you can expect anything from them, but I think that the US military leadership still has common sense.
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 10: 39
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        only Galicians? And whose commands were the Cossacks of Sagaidachny, Khmelnytsky and Mazepa fulfilling?
        1. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 24 November 2020 13: 46
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          Well, you have an analogy .... You will still remember how in the days of the Neanderthals people ate each other, and even raw and without salt. Where the current descendants of Bandera studied, in Western Ukraine, in Galicia, in specially created camps, which were supervised by envoys from the CIA, here Galicia is today's hotbed of terry Banderaism ... And who opposed them in April 2014, stopping their tanks and armored personnel carriers with their bare hands when they burst into Donbass to educate the Russian region of Ukraine in the spirit of the Galitsai national patriotism? The common people, the inhabitants of Donbass. Yes, there were also Russian renegades, with brainwashed for 25 years, in whose veins even a tiny fraction of "Great Ukrainian" blood flowed - that's all they are, Galicians and "Ivans who do not remember kinship", and were the driving force behind them. Maidan and the outbreak of a civil war, and their puppeteers were still sitting in Washington, and little people, such as the Poroshenko and Turchinovs, were simply "overseers" and sponsors of this madness .... And I support Sapsan 136 that now we need to conduct Russia is not harsh, but cruel, we do not need such "gangrene" on our borders, and we need to lay down a huge device on the hysteria of the West, we have never had peace with them, no, and never will, let alone a military reason to start with Ukraine We have plenty of conflict, but the further we drag it out, the more blood we will have to shed, after all, it is clear to the naked eye that we will not part ways with Ukraine in peace.
          1. passing by Offline passing by
            passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 13: 48
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            I'm not Ukrainian and I have a good memory. when the Cossacks in Russia killed hundreds of thousands, Bandera had not yet been born. but you have to answer! and the Novorossians, too, for the massacre of the Haidamaks !!! There is nothing worse for a Ukrainian than not paying attention to him! his conceit is everything to him. to kick them - only to get dirty
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 24 November 2020 10: 54
    +2
    I read it and smiled. But what about the surrender plan that Putin himself recently proposed to Donbass at the talks? Recently they wrote here in detail from 15 points? When this is offered, they do not get involved in war.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 24 November 2020 11: 00
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      the plan is cunning ... it's like Stalin would offer surrender to Germany in exchange for the castration of all Germans.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 24 November 2020 18: 12
      +1
      Did the Ukrainians accept him? No. The plan was calculated for that.
  • Lechi B. Offline Lechi B.
    Lechi B. (Treat Bashirov) 24 November 2020 14: 01
    +1
    Ukraine is not Armenia, you will have to tinker with it, Donbass is an example.
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 24 November 2020 15: 34
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    Now let's put irony aside and seriously talk about the reality of such plans. You won't argue that the situation is symmetrical. Both here and there, the countries are going to restore their territorial integrity violated by the aggressor on their territory. Therefore, they will have nothing to present to the international community.

    The author did not understand. There is nothing to argue with. The situation can be called just symmetrical. It is, in both cases, diametrically opposite.
    In the case of NK, the UN Security Council Resolution No. 884 of November 12, 1993 takes place. She proclaimed the belonging of NK (in total, entirely) to Azerbaijan. No comments, conditions, etc.
    In the event of an offensive by Azerbaijan, the persuading parties can only promise him trouble, purely unofficially. This was the complexity of the problem. And Russia had to settle it. Since the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh was escalated by Turkey, troubles have now begun for her.
    As for Donbass, there is a UN Security Council resolution of February 17, 2015 No. S / RES / 2202 (2015).
    She legitimized the Minsk Agreements letter by letter.
    Therefore, Putin, with peace of mind, even, in my opinion, last year promised Ukraine problems with statehood in the event of a broad offensive in the Donbass. And they believe him there.
    As for the attitude in Ukraine towards the Karabakh conflict, there have always been enough mournful minds. They were the ones who got a little crazy for a month, looking at Azerbaijan. But after 10.11.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX. this courage vanished as if by hand.
    Here I trust Igor Guzhva, the head (in my opinion and the owner) of the STRANA.UA channel.
    He, of course, has not been in Austria for the first year (for incorrect coverage of events, a case was brought against him in an independent one), and the person of the channel, Olesya Medvedev, last year, for a video on the fifth anniversary of the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation, ended up in the Peacemaker. But this is perhaps the most adequate I / O channel. I watch it, just from that video, soon two years.
    So, the entry in Igor Guzhva's FB dated 10.11.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX:

    It is interesting to observe how overnight all the Bonaparte experts who called on Ukraine to repeat the experience of Azerbaijan and return the Donbass by military means disappeared overnight.

    I used to trust the opinion of this channel and Guzhva. In any case, according to the situation in Ukraine, they are completely in the subject. As for the LPNR, Medvedeva herself is from Gorlovka, aware of the situation.
    As for the attack on Voronezh discussed in the comments, this is not serious. It is not enough to have divisions; their concentration will become known before it begins. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, of course, not all geniuses are, but the instinct of self-preservation (and there are also families) cannot be avoided.
  • bubasa Offline bubasa
    bubasa (Konstantin) 24 November 2020 16: 57
    0
    than what, hard lyuli for Svidomo
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  • Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 25 November 2020 02: 10
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    Quote: Valentine
    I fully support what you said, the ukrogaly people will wait for the order "fas" from their overseas masters, who, in collusion with the Japanese, Chinese, Turks, British and Scandinavians, can invade our lands from all sides, and due to the complete superiority of NATO and European-Asian The Entente over our army, and we, as a last resort, will have to use nuclear weapons, and as they say, everything is in dust ... Biden has very big health problems, akin to the health of the late McCain, and his new Secretary of State is generally frostbitten, so you can expect anything from them, but I think that the US military leadership still has common sense.

    There is no common sense and there was no word at all!