MW: Turkey will respond to Greek F-35s with advanced Russian fighters


Amid growing pressure on Turkey in the Eastern Mediterranean due to ongoing territorial disputes with Greece, which received French support in defending its claims, the Greek Ministry of Defense announced the need to purchase F-35A stealth fighters from the United States. How Ankara can respond to such a move by Athens, The Military Watch Magazine argues.


Turkey was negotiating the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighters and showed great interest in purchasing even more advanced Su-57s. But orders for these combat aircraft have not been received, so the ability of the Turks to withstand the F-35 remains limited. Retired Turkish Major General Nejat Eslen said that Turkey can rely on its recently supplied Russian S-35 air defense systems to counter the Greek F-400s - the notorious "invisibility" of the F-35 will not be an obstacle for Russian air defense systems.

Previously, Turkey was not only the world's largest foreign customer of the F-35A, but also an integral participant in the fighter production program. Turkey's exclusion from the program after purchasing Russian anti-missile systems put Turkey in an uncertain situation in this context. At the same time, the project of the Turkish fifth generation fighter TF-X has very vague prospects so far.

Although the S-400 was designed to neutralize modern stealth fighters, the use of ground-based air defenses to counter the Greek air force only guarantees the defense tactics of the Turkish armed forces. The situation could be changed by the acquisition of advanced Russian fighters, which will effectively complement the S-400.

It is possible that Ankara will respond to the possible deployment of the F-35 in Greece by purchasing the Su-35 or even the Su-57 from Russia. As the US seeks to thwart the development of Turkish-Russian defense ties, such action by Turkey could be an effective deterrent against the sale of fifth-generation warplanes to Greece.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 November 2020 09: 43
    +1
    It seems like it's already officially on Putin's offer: secret, but for sale, terrorist partner Endogan: no, no ...
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 20 November 2020 09: 57
      -1
      as the Americans would say? Erdogan is of course a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch ... laughing It is time for the Greeks to unite with the Armenians. they have a lot in common: myths and legends laughing
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 November 2020 10: 14
        0
        It's time, it's time ... That still mixture will be ...
        1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
          Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 20 November 2020 10: 29
          0
          one fig in profile one face ...
        2. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 22: 11
          0
          Better for Armenians and Jews. They are of the same blood.
      2. Bitter Offline Bitter
        Bitter (Gleb) 20 November 2020 10: 58
        +5
        Erdogan is of course a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch ...

        This is the whole trick, Turkey and Erdogan together with her, by and large, is the American and NATO "son of a bitch". "If anything", then he will immediately take his place "in the trench". And all these dances with a stupid partner and cunning plans are just tinsel on the ears.
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 20 November 2020 10: 41
    +3
    Already I wouldn't be particularly surprised if they sell it and say that this is a brilliant HPP strategist.
  3. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 20 November 2020 10: 46
    -1
    The Turks are somehow in no hurry to acquire Russian aircraft. Why would ... lol
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 20 November 2020 11: 35
      0
      If the Americans sell the Fu-35 to the Greeks, the Turks will buy it, they will have no other choice.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 20 November 2020 13: 41
        -4
        Acquisition of Russian aircraft is not an option for Turkey, they are not able to withstand the F-35 on equal terms.
        1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 22: 14
          0
          Ha ha ha ha. They will tear our Americans like a hot water bottle
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  4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 10: 55
    +6
    Turkey's relations with the Russian Federation today are far from brilliant and it is not a fact that the Russian Federation will agree to supply Turkey with its aircraft. The fact that Turkey is buying up the S-125 air defense system in Ukraine suggests that the Turks do not have money to replace the antediluvian air defense systems of the KHOK, which form the basis of Turkey's air defense, the Turkish economy is going through hard times. And giving loans to countries with which the Russian Federation has bad relations is a very bad form. Suffice it to recall Ukraine, which is not going to pay its debt obligations, and the debts of other post-Soviet republics of the Russian Federation had to be written off many times, since these rogues have nothing to pay with. The Russian Federation is full of its own unsolved problems and in such a situation, only enemies of the people can give away hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign states.
    1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
      pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 22: 13
      -1
      Russia is building a nuclear power plant in Turkey. This is the ultimate in technology. Only two countries can do this, and there are no Americans among them.
  5. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
    Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 10: 57
    -2
    Su-35 with primitive missiles, PFAR, against Fu-35 with Meteors and AMRAAM D. Well, it will be, as in Karabakh, shooting from afar with a dry count. Against the last Mirages, Typhoons and F-16s (15), the Su-35 does not hold out, but against the 5th generation, it is easier and more effective to throw hats.
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    2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 11: 11
      +3
      Something the Indians on the Su-30 won training battles against the Yankees on the F-15, despite the use of the Yankees AWACS. So no songs about the allegedly not killed YUSA
      1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
        Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 11: 21
        -8
        Read more about the battles. Is this a duck about fighting in 2005?
        The Americans, when they participate in training battles against others, expose such a ratio. 1 American aircraft versus 3 others. That is, 1 to 3 is not in their favor and they do not use any AWACS. They fought at close range. Now the concept is different, to fight from afar.
        You should also tell us about the victories of our planes in Vietnam, then they beat the Americans, so now we will beat them.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 14: 52
          +5
          You do ducks here, repeating unsubstantiated advertisements from arms manufacturers in the United States. And how your YUSA will fight from afar, if the Yankees failed to achieve reliable operation of the radar on either the F-22 or the F-35, invisibility is a big question, since the stealth coating is extremely vulnerable to rain and even to clouds with a high moisture content, and the F-35 in a number of characteristics, for example, in terms of maximum speed, does not at all meet the standards of 5th generation fighters.
          1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
            Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 18: 22
            -3
            You were deceived, you were given much more valuable information! Fu-22 and Fu-35 do not fly at all, they are not in nature, this is the PR of the American military-industrial complex. The world's only serial and flying fifth generation fighter is the Su-5! But this is still a military secret.
        2. Ivan Borka Offline Ivan Borka
          Ivan Borka (Ivan Borka) 20 November 2020 19: 09
          +2
          write 1 to 10 - we do not feel sorry for your convolutions. from the number of which your QI is invariably stable ... we will not knock down - loop with "thought")))
        3. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 22: 16
          +1
          Duc read carefully. The Hindus butchered the English like puppies. One to ten or twelve victory for ours .. The British even classified the data of air battles, so that the overseas owners would not upset and not dare customers.
    3. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 20 November 2020 12: 04
      +6
      Dubina, it's just from the couch it's so easy to give out your predictions, in fact, everything is much more complicated than in your fabulous opuses for the glory of US AIR FORCE !!!
  6. zz811 Offline zz811
    zz811 (Vlad Pervovich) 20 November 2020 13: 44
    0
    why not the advanced F-16, so interesting ...?
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 14: 46
      -6
      Honor the equipment of the latest F-16 Block 72 and Su-35. Questions will disappear.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 14: 53
        +4
        Here are just the most modern aircraft of the Turkish Air Force, this is the F-16 block 50+ and those are only 50 pieces, the rest are older models.
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 17: 47
          -7
          I don’t argue. It's about buying new airplanes. And that the Su-35 is better than the Fu-35. F-16 (Super Viper) aka Block 72, about $ 50 million, the MiG-29 costs $ 45 million, but the Mig is all junk. Su-35 (sale to China) $ 85 - 104 million
          Even at the price it wins.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 19: 06
            +3
            Price doesn't mean quality. Leopard 2 costs like 3 T-90s, while in Syria it burned and exploded like BT-7. The Americans fought only with the export versions of the MiG-29, which were not in the best technical condition, and even having an overwhelming numerical advantage, so your reasoning is purely theoretical. There are no Super Vipers in Turkey yet and whether they will be known, and how they will show themselves is still a big question. Recently, the Yankees have not been successful in aviation. They also advertised the new Boeing well, but it turned out to be nothing.
            1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 19: 16
              -5
              ..Price doesn't mean quality. Leopard 2 costs like 3 T-90s, while in Syria it burned and exploded like BT-7s.

              Several hundred T-72s burned down in Iraq and Turkey lost 10 Leopards in Syria. So the T-72 burns and explodes like a Renault FT-17 tank.

              ..The Americans fought only with the export versions of the MiG-29, which were not in the best technical condition ..

              - The Americans did not fight the MiG-29, they did not fight suicides on the MiG-29 against the American Air Force.
              There were practice battles with the SU-30. 1 to 3, one American versus three SU-30 Indians.
  7. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 November 2020 19: 00
    -3
    Quote: Sapsan136
    ... And how will your YUSA fight from afar if the Yankees failed to achieve reliable operation of the radar on either the F-22 or the F-35?

    - Where do you get this ridiculous nonsense? Never and nowhere were there any complaints about the work of either APG-77 or APG-81.

    invisibility is a big question, since the stealth coating is extremely vulnerable to rain and even cloudy clouds with a high moisture content

    - And this is a complete and stupid lie. It's just not true.

    ... and the F-35, in terms of a number of characteristics, for example, in terms of maximum speed, does not meet the standards of 5th generation fighters at all.

    - Who told you that high speed is the main attribute of the 5th generation ?! Nobody in the world has long been chasing high speed for fighters. For bombers, too. There was an XB-70, three-wheeler, but they did not release it. And the B-2 is generally subsonic, and the B-21 will be subsonic.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 19: 08
      +2
      Either after Yugoslavia, both the B-2 and F-117 were discontinued, but it was a show-off ... F-35 is a flying coffin and you will be convinced of this as soon as someone twitches on them against a relatively strong enemy.
      1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
        Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 19: 21
        -5
        Convinced. You will knock them down, the 5th generation from the slingshot. But do not twitch, you, as a strong opponent, will be scared.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 20: 07
          +2
          I have not seen their technique better than ours. Leopard-2 costs 3 times more than T-90, and burns and explodes like BT-7. So go scare hedgehogs with American flying coffins
          1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
            Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 20: 11
            -7
            ..Several hundreds of T-72s burned down in Iraq and Turkey lost 10 Leopards in Syria. So the T-72 burns and explodes like a Renault FT-17 tank.

            - already wrote above. And how quickly the LDNR and the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost the T-72. And the Turks are only 0 Leo.
            More recently, the Armenians also swagged, with little blood, in foreign territory, to Baku in 3 days. The Americans are more, hnm, a serious enemy, and their Air Force is especially strong. But you have already defeated them all with your hats.
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 20: 23
              +4
              In Iraq, it was not T-72s that burned, but their Iraqi copies made by someone, it is not clear how and it is not clear from what, on the basis of the antediluvian T-72 Ural-E (export version) long removed from service in the USSR. The APU lost mainly T-64s. The Armenians lost because they did not use all the air defense and air forces. The Su-30 remained on the ground throughout the war. But tanks do not roll against aircraft, this was proven back in 1941
              1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 20: 59
                -5
                In Iraq, it was not T-72s that burned, but their Iraqi copies made by someone, it is not clear how and it is not clear from what, based on the antediluvian T-72 Ural-E (export version)

                I was waiting for you to write this, saying that the tanks are not of the same system, here we have tanks so tanks.
                The Turks also did not burn the LEO-2A7, but the old model Leo-2A4.
                Still often they write about the "gaskets" between our weapons, they say the Arabs are not soldiers, so ours would ask pepper. This is always the case when our weapons fail. It is good for the APU T-64, on the part of the LPNR, T-72 and far from export and not the oldest (or they did not burn).
                In the first Chechen, T-72, our tanks and also burned in large quantities.

                The Armenians lost because they did not use all the air defense and air forces ...

                would have lost all the same, the Azeybarjan army would have used more kamikaze drones, and the result would have been the same.
                1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 21: 15
                  +3
                  So the T-72 Ural-E, even of Soviet production, is hopelessly outdated, not to mention the Iraqi home-made products based on it ... The Leopard-2A4 is a fresher tank than, for example, the Soviet T-72S (export version, the best tanks in Syria), but showed themselves worse than the Syrian T-72S, which did not explode from the first hit on them, but often took a hit. There is nothing to say about the cost of the Leopard-2A4, it is more expensive than the T-90. Yes, the soldiers of the Arabs is not important and it's not just my opinion, but everyone. The same Yankees do not put Arab mercenaries high, in comparison, for example, with the Russians or the Chinese. LDNR uses Soviet versions of T-72, and only drunks from the Armed Forces do not know how the Soviet T-72BM differs, which they confuse now with the T-72BM3, now with the T-90, from these tanks. In the first Chechen war, tanks were thrown into battle without active armor, so this was Yeltsin's and company’s jamb, not a tank. Georgia also tried to use drones against the Russian Federation in 2008, the Russian Air Force quickly landed them. There is a video on YouTube on this topic. The last minutes of the flight of an Israeli-made Georgian drone, which was destroyed by a MiG-29 missile of the Russian Air Force.
                  1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 21: 49
                    -6
                    Now I understand, opened my eyes, I will summarize:
                    If the T-72 is on fire, then it is an Iraqi or Polish fake, our T-72s do not burn, they are gritty and the ATGM bounces off them. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all drunks, tankers are twice drunks and tank modifications are confused. Arabs - dermosoldaty, our all - Rambo, the Chinese - Rambo nachetvert. Georgia shot down 5 (7) aircraft, but this was by accident. Leopard-2A4 burns from the very first hit in it, in any projection and explodes very effectively, probably cardboard.
                    If we carry these maxims to the airplanes, from which the discussion began. Then the following emerges:
                    F-22 or F-35 on actually seeing our Su-30 (35) they certainly see. The radar of the Fu-35 is fragile and has no range. If it is raining, then Fu-35 can be seen by everyone and everywhere, even from the Kremlin towers (but only through binoculars). There is no speed either, Yak-9 or Foker-190, Fu-35 will still overtake, but never Su-35!
                    Have not yet walked through the shooters, ships and missiles. But the Yankees are even worse there.
                    I propose to send a Collective Note to the Pentagon demanding surrender, we guarantee life! Who will make them surrender, you, me or Generalisimus Shoigu?
                    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 November 2020 22: 02
                      +4
                      Mr. good, I appreciate your irony, but there is a video of the Anna News channel, real military operations and real hits on Syrian tanks, which are not always T-72S, there were also more ancient T-72M and T-72M1 ... and at the same time they burst Syrian export versions of the T-72 are far from always. The leopards burned like matches ... Well, it was not Georgia that knocked it down, but the ichtamnets from Ukraine from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the air defense system there were removed from combat duty in Ukraine, but they were all destroyed by the first blow of the Su-34. As it turned out, the UKROPs can shoot down Soviet planes, but the Russians are no longer. Israeli drones in the Georgian Air Force showed themselves only as targets for the Russian Air Force. In fact, the B-2 and F-117 Yankees were discontinued when they got access to the MiG-29B (export version) of the GDR Air Force, whose radars were perfectly visible by all American invisible people at all altitudes.
    2. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 20 November 2020 19: 20
      -4
      I already told him that the Americans do not have 5th generation aircraft at all.
      And AFARA, serial Americans have been putting on for a long time. Now AFARs have gone on gallium nitride.
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  8. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 21 November 2020 02: 07
    -6
    Quote: Sapsan136
    Then after Yugoslavia, both the B-2 and F-117 were discontinued, but it was show-off ...

    - The B-2 did not begin to produce the 100 units planned in the Soviet era, since the USSR collapsed, the F-117s began to be decommissioned in 2008, because in 2005 squadrons of F-22s began to be completed and there was an urgent need dropped in the F-117. Nevertheless, they are still on the storage base, and 4 aircraft are constantly flying - the instructors maintain the level of training in order to commission several dozen pilots if necessary. And only in the foreseeable future all F-117s promise to be eliminated.

    The F-35 is a flying coffin and you will be convinced of this as soon as someone twitches on them against a relatively strong enemy.

    - At the Red Flag exercise the year before last, the F-35 flunked the F-15, F-16 and F-18 with a resulting score in almost three weeks of the exercise 20.7:1... If you consider the F-15, F-16 and F-18 "not very strong opponents" - please accept my sincere condolences! laughing lol
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    2. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 22 November 2020 01: 27
      +1
      And who can confirm this except the Yankees and their slaves ?! None?! Well then, this is another advertisement from Lockheed Martin and similar companies and nothing more ...
  9. Igorzxc Offline Igorzxc
    Igorzxc (igorzxc) 22 November 2020 15: 19
    0
    Russia has no opportunity to sell SU-57.
    We have not yet managed to build a single SERIAL aircraft for ourselves.
    A show-off, as always, above the roof!