Russia could solve the problem of Turkish UAVs in Karabakh in one day


The six-week war in Nagorno-Karabakh has clearly demonstrated that unmanned strike aircraft is a rather serious argument that can tip the scales towards those who have it. Azerbaijan had Turkish and Israeli UAVs, Armenia did not have them. But does this mean that Yerevan obviously had no chances, and is it not too early in Tel Aviv and Ankara to calculate future profits from the sale of their military products?


The role of attack drones in the victory over Armenia was confirmed personally by President Aliyev:

Only with the help of unmanned aerial vehicles, which we acquired from Turkey, we destroyed the Armenian military machinery worth one billion dollars.

These statements are confirmed by colorful video recordings in which UAVs and loitering ammunition famously knock out Armenian equipment, including the Russian S-300 air defense systems. The defense ministries of all leading countries are carefully studying and analyzing the practice of using drones and ways to counter them. The situation is aggravated by the Russian-speaking Israeli "military experts" who, having registered in the comments on popular media, "in full seriousness" argue that the Russian army simply has nothing to respond to the strike UAVs. However, this is not quite true. Or rather, not at all. Russia may still have its own unmanned aircraft in its infancy, but all the necessary funds to “land” Turkish and Israeli aircraft in one day are already available.

At first, an attack drone simply has nothing to oppose to a fighter that can carry UAVs in batches with impunity using air-to-air missiles and an aircraft cannon. Enemy air defense systems that pose a threat to aviation can be destroyed, for example, with the help of operational-tactical complexes. War is not a duel between a UAV and an antiaircraft gun, it is a complex event.

Secondly, yes, drones for S-300 systems are like sparrows, but for small-radius air defense - that's it. Even a veteran like the ZU-23-2 could have contributed to thinning the ranks of Turkish and Israeli UAVs in the skies of Karabakh. The spectacular destruction of the Armenian "Favorite" is precisely due to the fact that it was not covered by systems of short and short range. Do not forget that the Russian Defense Ministry has been preparing to fight unmanned aircraft for several years. In addition to the well-known Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile system, Shilka anti-aircraft missile system, and Tunguska anti-aircraft missile system, a self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery system 2S38 ZAK-57 Derivation-Air Defense was created specifically to destroy UAVs, cruise missiles and air-to-ground missiles "Based on BMP-3.


Anti-aircraft artillery complex 2S38 ZAK-57 "Derivation-Air Defense". Photo: Uralvagonzavod

Its 57-mm automatic cannon fires its "smart" (programmable) ammunition to an altitude of 4500 meters at a speed of 120 rounds per minute, striking an aerial target with a cloud of debris. Given its mobility, the very thing is against UAVs and their missiles. In addition, it is quite cheap when compared with the use of the same "Thors", which, by the way, have proven themselves quite well in Syria.


Electronic warfare complex "Rtut-BM". Photo: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Thirdly, the domestic defense industry has excellent developments in the field of electronic warfare. For example, the "Rtut-BM" complex mutes the frequencies along which the enemy's radio signals go, and also detects a projectile fired in flight and sends a more powerful signal towards it, which leads to a premature detonation of the fuse. The complex operates in automatic mode, covering an area of ​​up to 500 thousand square meters. The well-known "Krasukha-4" is capable of suppressing reconnaissance means not only of UAVs, but even of AWACS flying radars. A specialized anti-drone complex "Silok" has already been developed, which is designed to detect and suppress enemy UAV control systems in automatic mode.

It is worth recalling the recently presented "Rat" anti-drones complex. The novelty has a system of directional microwave suppression, as well as a laser installation for targeted destruction of drones.


Anti-UAV complex "Rat". Photo: Rostec

In other words, the statements of certain "military experts" from among our emigrants that the Russian Defense Ministry has nothing to oppose the Israeli and Turkish "wunderwaffe" are, to put it mildly, groundless, and are nothing but anti-Russian propaganda and aggressive advertising of their own products. If desired, the Kremlin could help Yerevan stop this whole "drone attack" literally in a matter of days by deploying the listed weapons. Why this was not done is another question.
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  1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 19 November 2020 13: 18
    -4
    Respect for the author, but some arguments and statements are not true. Barrel artillery without sufficient precise engagement capabilities (which are not available today) is completely ineffective, the results from practice .... Aviation is excluded from operations due to reliable air defense systems. (therefore it did not operate in Karabakh, because both sides had S-300) ... The issue of combating loitering ammunition remains open today, we are partially solving the UAV, but we are not solving it with development, with an increase in maneuverability and speeds ... We need development ahead of the existing means of unmanned aerial destruction ...
    1. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
      Ser sash (Ser Sash) 19 November 2020 16: 53
      0
      Problems with UAV detection, just in its low speed.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 19 November 2020 19: 05
        0
        Stealth technology is more of a reason (with a span of 12 m and a speed of one hundred kilometers per hour) and with increasing speeds, the dimensions will decrease, the further, the lower the visibility ... The direction of development is definitely clear ...
        1. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
          Ser sash (Ser Sash) 20 November 2020 06: 07
          +3
          The air defense officer explained this to me as follows. There it seems like slow targets are automatically eliminated to throw birds and all kinds of balloons.
          Artillery shells and mortar mines are easily tracked by radar.
          On the subject of size and speed.
          1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 20 November 2020 11: 16
            0
            For micro and mini drones, this is true, where the speeds and dimensions fall under the birds ... The speeds of birds are up to 80 km / h ... But these are more short-range reconnaissance drones ...
    2. Dear sofa expert. 20 November 2020 03: 34
      +3
      Aviation is excluded from operations due to reliable air defense systems.

      Nonsense, illiterate. The size of the territory of these states allows aviation to operate "from the territory of Lebanon."
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 20 November 2020 11: 26
        -2
        And who would let them work "from Lebanon", they are not Israel, and there is no Lebanon nearby, Turkey, Iran and the Russian Federation will quickly close this shop ...
        1. Dear sofa expert. 20 November 2020 14: 26
          +3
          And who will let them work "from Lebanon"

          You took me too literally))
          It was not by chance that I put the phrase "from the territory of Lebanon" in brackets, wrote the name of the country with a small letter. Because he did not mean a country, but a remote position from which aviation can operate. And if we are talking about the defense capability of Russia, then there is enough tactical depth.
          This means that aviation does not need to fly over the front zone to repel UAV attacks. She can track targets and work on them from distances inaccessible to military air defense.
          1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 20 November 2020 14: 27
            0
            For this, a cheaper and more effective sufficient air defense, which is what we are talking about ...
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 20 November 2020 14: 29
              0
              Adding, the overlapping areas of the S-300 are significant, and with this conflict they will get everywhere ...
      2. andrew42 Offline andrew42
        andrew42 (Andrei) 20 November 2020 13: 56
        +2
        Offer to live gorgeous. Keep aircraft in the air to fight drones! - Not that money, there will not be enough motor resources! And the drones "go" not far from the demarcation line, and again it is necessary to cover the aviation. It will not even be from a cannon to sparrows, it will be from a "space cruiser" through cans.
    3. shonsu Offline shonsu
      shonsu (Shonsu) 20 November 2020 23: 40
      0
      Yes you are right. Lasers and electronic warfare equipment look the most effective for countering UAVs. And the smaller they are, the easier it will be to shoot them down with these means. But the air defense derivation with a ballistic computer and controlled detonation of shells also turned out very good. So they say.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 November 2020 13: 42
    -6
    Waving fists after a fight ...
    In Syria, for example, they cannot do anything with gliding bombs.
    The missiles are still intercepting, only somehow strange. 70-90% knocked down, but buildings are still in dust ...
    1. meandr51 Offline meandr51
      meandr51 (Andrei) 19 November 2020 16: 04
      +1
      Is this a fight? A very timely warm-up!
  3. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 19 November 2020 13: 44
    -1
    Once the President of the Russian Federation, in connection with Crimea, remembered the well-known proverb -

    May God grant your calf our wolf to eat.

    In this case, in my opinion, it is also very appropriate. what
  4. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 19 November 2020 14: 29
    +6
    The most important thing is that all of the above systems for combating UAVs were present not only at military exhibitions of weapons, but also were available in the required quantity in all divisions of our army, and for this it is necessary to urgently increase the serial production of this equipment, the rapid organization of serial production in sufficient quantities is the most necessary condition for today and at the same time the weakest point of our military-industrial complex !!!
  5. Mikhail Petrov Offline Mikhail Petrov
    Mikhail Petrov (Mikhail Petrov) 19 November 2020 15: 15
    -1
    They did not specifically solve the problem in order to torment and punish the Armenians for their pro-Western boss.
    1. Andrei Ivanov Offline Andrei Ivanov
      Andrei Ivanov (Andrei Ivanov) 20 November 2020 00: 10
      -1
      but when they realized that Aliyev would reach Yerevan at such a rate, they got cold feet and decided to pacify
    2. shonsu Offline shonsu
      shonsu (Shonsu) 20 November 2020 23: 52
      0
      There are three in one. Punish Pashinyan, solve the NKR problem once and for all and strengthen Russia's influence.
  6. Gennady D. Offline Gennady D.
    Gennady D. (Gennady Dambiev) 19 November 2020 15: 54
    -1
    During the six-week war, it was high time to test at least the Derivation-Air Defense self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery system in combat conditions, and the rest, too, the Rtut-BM complex, the newest Rat. Otherwise, we cannot use it in Syria, or even worse - we are afraid of the destruction of exhibition specimens.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 19 November 2020 16: 27
      +3
      in order to force Armenians to give Karabakh to Azerbaijanis, Russia had to fight against Azerbaijan? Got the wrong mushrooms in the forest? Primakov senior warned the Armenians!
  7. DeGreen Offline DeGreen
    DeGreen 19 November 2020 17: 00
    +1
    Why does Russia need it?
  8. Yarpen Offline Yarpen
    Yarpen (Maksim) 19 November 2020 17: 03
    +8
    It's good to be rich and healthy ... Bayraktar's apparatus is large and operates from afar, so all kinds of anti-aircraft artillery go through the forest, even new ones. From the military air defense system, it is easily taken by the BUK. For direct cover of troops, there is a TOP, which easily knocks down every little thing, including inconspicuous warheads. It is this pair that provides air defense for the ground forces. All this is not cheap and should be in a marketable quantity, so we have 12 TORs per team of 3-4 thousand people. There was practically no military air defense in Karabakh.
    The Armenians did not use the truth and what was in mainstream Armenia.
  9. bulvas Offline bulvas
    bulvas (Vasiliy) 19 November 2020 17: 45
    +1
    Russia has a much more effective means against UAVs and everything else - Iskander or Caliber in command centers and headquarters.
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  10. Sergey Gordeev Offline Sergey Gordeev
    Sergey Gordeev (Sergey Gordeev) 19 November 2020 18: 09
    +1
    In Syria, all the numerous drone attacks were reflected on our base, the Turks must have collected homemade drones there, and they controlled. So it's not all bad.
    1. KYYC Offline KYYC
      KYYC (OXOTHuK) 20 November 2020 03: 11
      0
      militants from Idlib can destroy the airbase in Khmeimim in an hour,
      the distance from the deployment of militants to Khmeimim = 65-70 km.
      About 30 groups of militants with homemade missiles can blow the base from three sides.
      But so far there is no such order from Turkey.
      1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
        pvlshvz (Paul) Yesterday, 01: 32
        0
        They can, they can. Have tried it a hundred times. And not everything.
  11. nbv Offline nbv
    nbv 19 November 2020 18: 12
    0
    What is the best advertisement for a weapon - its successful combat use? No one doubts the combat effectiveness of Turkish UAVs after their use in Syria, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh. If Russia had adequate opposition, it should have used the opportunity to use it through the puppet army of NK or Armenia. Nothing of the kind has happened, and for all military observers, her claim that they have adequate means of dealing with Turkish drones is pure theory.
    1. bulvas Offline bulvas
      bulvas (Vasiliy) 19 November 2020 19: 19
      +5
      If Russia had adequate opposition, it should have

      Russia does not owe anyone. Why will Russia fight for Karabakh?

      We have achieved much more than a few shot down UAVs - Russian troops are in Azerbaijan, Armenia saw who is who, and they did not quarrel with anyone.

      What about drones in Syria when trying to directly attack a Russian base?
      Many of them managed to reach the base?
      1. Vlad Geo Offline Vlad Geo
        Vlad Geo (Vlad Geo) 19 November 2020 20: 19
        -5
        The Israelis, when the Iranians were bombed, who, you can count, built their base right behind the fence of the Khmeimim base, were bombed at our base too .. fortunately, there were no victims - there was no one to raise howling ... the crashed planes had no relatives in civilian life ...
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 19 November 2020 23: 04
          +2
          The blizzard is specific - not a single Israeli missile hit the Russian base, and it could not hit because there was no such order.
        2. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) Yesterday, 01: 32
          0
          Nonsense on vegetable oil.
      2. glory slavic Offline glory slavic
        glory slavic (Daddy Val-n) 20 November 2020 13: 36
        +2
        Russia does not owe anyone. Why will Russia fight for Karabakh?

        Russia does not owe anyone, and it is not the Armenians or Azeris that matter, but pushing Turkey into the Caucasus. Which Russia kicked out 200 years ago, and the Kremlin pygmies let back in.
  12. Baylar Rzayev Offline Baylar Rzayev
    Baylar Rzayev (Baylar Rzayev) 19 November 2020 18: 26
    -4
    The Russians do not know how to excuse themselves
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 19 November 2020 20: 03
      +1
      it looks like your roof has left in Azerbaijan, warriors ...
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    2. Andrei Ivanov Offline Andrei Ivanov
      Andrei Ivanov (Andrei Ivanov) 20 November 2020 00: 13
      0
      for they have a pale appearance
    3. glory slavic Offline glory slavic
      glory slavic (Daddy Val-n) 20 November 2020 13: 32
      +1
      you are almost right, only are all the Russians in the Kremlin? It was they who decided to merge the NKR to please the Turks. There was no loss, but they stupidly surrendered.
  13. Alexey Offline Alexey
    Alexey (Alexey) 19 November 2020 18: 47
    +1
    C300 in Karabakh was hit by Kamikaze drone
  14. Babe Offline Babe
    Babe (vavan kharlamov.) 19 November 2020 19: 58
    +1
    Any technique controlled by a radio signal has a moment of interference in its work.
  15. Vlad Geo Offline Vlad Geo
    Vlad Geo (Vlad Geo) 19 November 2020 20: 16
    +1
    It would not be enough for the Armenians to give iron, they do not train specialists for it in ten days ... An electronic warfare officer is a high-class engineer with broad competencies in radio electronics .. I wanted to add other areas, but for broad competences in radio electronics - there are so many you need to know and understand, from higher mathematics, physics, chemistry, physical chemistry, materials science, electronics ... that in civilian life, such a specialist - employers from various fields - will be bought from each other like a diamond.
    1. Andrei Ivanov Offline Andrei Ivanov
      Andrei Ivanov (Andrei Ivanov) 20 November 2020 00: 15
      +2
      while your highly educated officer is driving a UAZ, Bayraktar will make him
      1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
        Essex62 (Alexander) 20 November 2020 09: 06
        +3
        Well, why is such a highly educated, in theoretical disciplines, an officer needed? Will he be engaged in the development or specific suppression of the target radio channel, at the reflex level, by pressing the buttons on the equipment worked out? Engineer - yes, the rest is not needed, only interferes. Nefig to be clever in battle, extreme concentration and precise execution of typical actions. When I served, in our calculation, only two with a technician were finished and one with an unfinished tower, but half of the village boys. And they learned nothing. The goals were tight.
        1. nbv Offline nbv
          nbv 21 November 2020 15: 09
          0
          Absolute truth! You snatched the words out of my mouth! There is a difference between a developer and a user. You don't need to be an electronic engineer to turn on your TV. You need to know which button to press. The user needs to know the technique on a practical level, and what happens in the depths of the process is not his job.
  16. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 19 November 2020 22: 26
    0
    War is true is a complex undertaking. So why does the respected (without sarcasm) Mr. Marzhetsky not assume that a hypothetical drone attack on Russian long-range air defense systems and other military facilities will not be supported by electronic warfare and other means?

    Nobody argued that drones (large and small) cannot be shot down, that they have no effective countermeasures. The question is to what extent the military doctrine of Russia (and other countries) has worked out a variant of protection against such attacks, how many countermeasures are available in the troops in the event of a hypothetical military conflict, etc.

    Israeli and Turkish drones have actually shown their effectiveness in real combat conditions. Russian countermeasures have shown their effectiveness so far only in the conditions of the proving grounds. This does not mean that they are a priori ineffective, but there are not enough grounds to unequivocally assert their effectiveness.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 20 November 2020 04: 42
      -1
      Israeli and Turkish drones have actually shown their effectiveness in real combat conditions.

      Yeah. They can already boldly attack even America or China, with such powerful drones!)

      It’s not funny for yourself?
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 20 November 2020 06: 14
        0
        Not funny, because, unlike your fantasies, I am commenting on what the article says about the effectiveness of Israeli and Turkish UAVs and Russian countermeasures. There is no talk of any attack on the United States and / or China.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 20 November 2020 13: 02
          +1
          I am commenting on what the article says about the effectiveness of Israeli and Turkish UAVs and Russian countermeasures.

          Yes, no one argues about efficiency. those or other types of weapons, but it has always been so.
          When the man took the sword in his hands, a shield appeared. It will be the same here.
          A new weapon has appeared, and they seek (and find) protection from it.

          You seem to be hiding behind an article, but just in it they gave you several specific examples of the possibility of counteraction.

          Well, the Armenians did not even have such opportunities, but that's it!

          Russia has it all.

          And maybe there is still a lot of other things that the author simply did not tell you.

          Have you ever heard of a layered zone-object system of electronic countermeasures?
          On the electronic warfare systems "Repellent", the mobile multifunctional complex for countering unmanned aerial vehicles "Sapsan-bekas", the complexes "Kupol" and "Rubezh", portable complexes "Luch", or wearable complexes that may be included in an individual set of weapons: "Pishchal" , whose weight is only 3,5 kg.?

          Or can you just comment on what the author said in the article?
    2. glory slavic Offline glory slavic
      glory slavic (Daddy Val-n) 20 November 2020 13: 29
      +1
      all these drones and UAVs are effective and effective only where there is no real opposition. The "great" armies of Israel and Turkey, Azerbaijan, in this particular case, are winning victories over poorly trained and financially poor militias. They have never been opposed by a modern army.
  17. Andrei Ivanov Offline Andrei Ivanov
    Andrei Ivanov (Andrei Ivanov) 20 November 2020 00: 07
    +2
    Look how he was clucking, if only there were mushrooms growing in his mouth. But in fact, they did it
  18. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 20 November 2020 00: 25
    +1
    a funny attempt ... to cover your pants with a fig leaf. But the smell is coming! Even without taking everything point by point, just ONE argument is enough to smash the author's chukhnya into dust, like about "old man zushka - uuuuu is still so powerful and be afraid of it all blah peace! ". The author, I am silent already for its actual aiming" by eye. " Do you think that everyone is so stupid and will fly closer on purpose, only the Russian shaitan-arba could get at least somehow?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 20 November 2020 04: 31
      -1
      Just look at the firing range of the guided missile of the Turkish unmanned rattler and the ZU-23-2. Doesn't it bother you that the blah doesn't EVEN enter its zone of destruction?

      Well, small UAVs can be shot down, and how. They fly low, and the mountains are there ..
  19. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 November 2020 02: 53
    -1
    Quote: Ser Sash
    Problems with UAV detection, just in its low speed.

    - And here they find it - at extremely low speeds and with an incredibly low RCS:



  20. KYYC Offline KYYC
    KYYC (OXOTHuK) 20 November 2020 03: 02
    +2
    Perhaps the author is right in a patriotic way. But in Syria and Libya, we lost Armor, TORs. In Syria, there were several electronic warfare "krauha" but the UAVs did not fall. It is necessary to draw conclusions based on the results of the battles.
    There are big flaws in the combination of the use of existing weapons systems. It was possible to stop, but have not yet learned how to use their weapons properly.

    And the Turkish "bayraktar" flies at an altitude of 9-10 km - declared. The Armor and machine-gun ZUSHKI will not reach there.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 20 November 2020 04: 24
      0
      And the Turkish "bayraktar" flies at an altitude of 9-10 km - declared. The Shell will not reach there

      Baykatar TB2 - ceiling 8200 m
      Shell C1 - up to 20 km to the target, up to 15 km in height.
      1. KYYC Offline KYYC
        KYYC (OXOTHuK) 20 November 2020 13: 00
        0
        Ours declare about their performance characteristics a lot for advertising to buy)))
        1. Dear sofa expert. 20 November 2020 14: 40
          +1
          Ours declare about their performance characteristics a lot for advertising to buy

          Yeah. And the buyers are complete laymen, right? As in the bazaar .. came:

          - does the cow give a lot of milk?
          - you won't milk it in a day, your hand will get tired!


          So do you imagine the arms trade?)
    2. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 20 November 2020 08: 47
      +2
      You can read more about the loss наших "Shell" and especially "Thors"?
      1. KYYC Offline KYYC
        KYYC (OXOTHuK) 20 November 2020 13: 03
        -1
        themselves from our MO admitted that several dozen shells were killed.
        further all questions to Shoigu))
        1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 20 November 2020 19: 01
          +1
          You live in some kind of parallel universe. Perhaps in Ukrainian.
  21. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 November 2020 03: 02
    -3
    Quote: Vlad Geo
    The Israelis, when the Iranians were bombed, who, you can count, built their base right behind the fence of the Khmeimim base, were bombed at our base too .. fortunately, there were no victims - there was no one to raise howling ... the crashed planes had no relatives in civilian life ...

    - Wild and very stupid lie. Israeli planes bombed Iranian targets several kilometers from the fence of the Russian base. For all its weakness, the command of the Aerospace Forces, knowing about the "relationship" between the IRGC in Syria and Israel, would never have allowed the Iranians to build their base close to the Khmeimim fence. This is just nonsense! You are probably a Russophobe and therefore the command of the Aerospace Forces in Syria thinks of them as complete idiots? And you are not ashamed ?!
  22. Hugo Ferreus Offline Hugo Ferreus
    Hugo Ferreus (Hugo Ferreus and Guillaume Porkus Ismailov) 20 November 2020 04: 44
    +2
    The author, the former chief of the general staff of Armenia, Movses Hakobyan, personally confirmed during a press conference that we had bought the latest electronic warfare from Russia and this helped us only for ... 4 days to jam the actions of drones and UAVs. And then the Azerbaijani Army and the Turkish military quickly found "loopholes" and continued to destroy our troops. So EW is not a panacea.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 November 2020 08: 52
      0
      Quote: Hugo Ferreus
      The army and the Turkish military quickly found "loopholes" and continued to destroy our troops. So EW is not a panacea.

      It was about a set of measures, not a word was said about a panacea
  23. Tramp1812 Online Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 20 November 2020 09: 03
    0
    The publication is more hypothetical than semantic. Its basis: if only ... In fact, it turned out just the opposite. Drones made a significant contribution to the victory of Baku. As in its time in 1982 during Operation Medvedka-19. By the way, when suppressing the multi-level Syrian air defense. It is appropriate in this context to cite the words of the President of the RF-VVP, who in such cases advised to remember the parable about the fundamental differences between grandparents. In other words: do not wishful thinking.
  24. Vadim Shepherd Offline Vadim Shepherd
    Vadim Shepherd (Vadim Pastukh) 20 November 2020 11: 51
    -2
    You can not read, but to say it mildly - not true! According to the preamble of this story!
    Everything can be seen in Libya, Syria, Karabakh. It remains to find out the author's opinion about football, as a test, and then everything will be clear!
  25. glory slavic Offline glory slavic
    glory slavic (Daddy Val-n) 20 November 2020 13: 11
    0
    not being a jingoist at all, I am sure that a day is not a day, but within a week the Russian Federation would have cut off the power of the Azerbaijani army, despite the help of the Turks. If I wanted to. If the Kremlin inmates decided. Why didn't they? It is very similar to the agreement between the Russian Federation, Azerbaijan and Turkey. Disgusting and stupid, but there is no other explanation. Like, Pashinyan is punished !? That is, 300 years of Russian history, the life of generations of Cossacks, all down the drain.
    1. andrew42 Offline andrew42
      andrew42 (Andrei) 20 November 2020 20: 49
      +1
      What does 300 years of Russia and the Cossacks have to do with it? In 1991, Armenia was one of the first to leave the Union, immediately after the Balts. Everyone then sharply admired 500% independence and individual prosperity without these Russians, who themselves pull the strap and force others. National kings rambled out loud about greatness - in this case about Great Armenia - to press down the Azerbaijanis, and then to take away Ararat from the Turks, but what? -. That was when it was "disgusting, stupid, etc.", although only yesterday Spitak was restored by the whole Union, it was completely knocked off. That is when the Transcaucasus was lost to Russia, in the 80s, and not at all in the 2000s. The main bondage "the power of the working people" was trampled underfoot, and the bourgeoisie stole all the assets to their "mansions". Therefore, Russia, which is not very rich, has nothing to offer the former republics today. The freebie is over, their bourgeois are seizing, minus 350 thousand of the population per year in Russia, and already "women do not give birth" - the hinterland is trampled down and sucked out. Therefore, everything has been done correctly - I have to take the burden with my strength, and not climb to save against the will of those who are being saved, so that later I can be "guilty without fault."
  26. andrew42 Offline andrew42
    andrew42 (Andrei) 20 November 2020 14: 03
    +1
    A pair of patrolling patrol drones integrated into the control of a tank platoon is the solution to the problem of low-speed UAVs. "Derivation" and "Shilka" are purely for insurance purposes, because they are not a guarantee by themselves. Electronic warfare on a constant basis, too, can not be cut. Fines can be effectively and economically beaten only with other "small" ones, even cheaper, and with a smaller radius.
  27. Sergey Kremenev Offline Sergey Kremenev
    Sergey Kremenev (Sergey Kremenev) 20 November 2020 16: 13
    +2
    It is ridiculous to read the comments of the "all-scum" and the hedgehogs with them: the Armenians from Karabakh lost the war to the Ayzers, and the Russians are to blame, who did not come to the war and gave bad weapons. Only with what fright did the Russians have to harness themselves for the Armenians in the fight:
    1. Someone asked us about it?
    2. Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan!
    3. Nobody attacked Armenia, as a current one, and those who wanted someone else's snowballs should fight for their expansionist (conquest) policy. But the "brave" Armenians prefer to trade, then where are the Russians?
    4. Are there many Russians in Armenia in general who need to be protected from aizers? They are not here. And there are a dozen more such questions, and that's all about why it was not worth harnessing for the Armenians ...

    Now about the conflict itself. As a former military man, I was very surprised by the total indifference of Armenians at the front and in the rear. Even from the point of view of personal safety, after the first strikes by drones on the equipment, the thought comes to mind that camouflage is needed, but it was not there at the beginning, and it did not exist until the very end of the war.
    The commanders, after striking a cluster of fighters, should have simply forbidden more than three to gather in a heap, and the commands had to be given by voice or by district. But the commanders didn't care ...
    About air defense is a separate song, because it was not, in principle, from the word at all. The equipment was sent without air defense and air cover. It reminded me of 1941, but then ours lost all aviation in the first days of the war in battles with the Hans. And here the technique was lost from indifference, arrogance, and just stupidity.
    And the last thing about this war. She once again confirmed the truth about which 200 years ago Napoleon Bonaparte used to say: YOU DO NOT WANT TO FEED YOUR ARMY, IF YOU WILL FEED ANYONE!
    Air defense is a system that requires investments and not small ones, especially since Russia had something to offer and more than it needed. But the Armenians preferred a freebie, slingshots from the USSR, why should the "Russian" pay. It's like in our everyday life: for Armenians to deceive a Russian, not to pay a Russian, to squeeze a Russian away is for a sweet soul, this is how parents teach. Well, Armenian guys, let this be a lesson for you. And if it were not for Putin's kind-heartedness, you would have fled from Yerevan today.
  28. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 21 November 2020 03: 17
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    Quote: shonsu
    Yes you are right. Lasers and electronic warfare equipment look the most effective for countering UAVs. And the smaller they are, the easier it will be to shoot them down with these means. But the air defense derivation with a ballistic computer and controlled detonation of shells also turned out very good. So they say.

    - Buy! wink

  29. nodir979 Offline nodir979
    nodir979 (Nodir Fayozov) 21 November 2020 08: 51
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    Really! So it was possible or what! And it was so in Syria, and in Libya they saw the same thing. Not to mention Azeri.
  30. Semyon Ivanov Offline Semyon Ivanov
    Semyon Ivanov (Semyon Ivanov) 24 November 2020 09: 24
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    Quote: Sergey Kremenev
    not to pay a Russian, to squeeze from a Russian is for a sweet soul, this is how parents teach... Well, Armenian guys, let this be a lesson for you. And if it were not for Putin's kind-heartedness, you would have fled from Yerevan today.

    The impression is that either some clinical person writes this nonsense or an Azerbaijani. I also wrote such a sheet, as if there was at least something besides bile. Not an ounce of valuable information.

    Do you understand that the Armenian generals are 50-60 years old (purchases of weapons), and their parents are not alive, most likely, and they taught them back in the USSR? And here you are scribbling ...