Source: Armenia itself abandoned Russian anti-drone systems


After the start of Azerbaijan's "counter-offensive" operation in Nagorno-Karabakh, many noticed that the Armenians did not have REB / REP systems to fight the drones that dominate the sky. This was due to the fact that Yerevan, represented by Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, rejected the complexes proposed by Moscow that could adequately withstand such a threat. This was announced on the air of the YouTube channel Capital by the Russian political columnist for the publishing house "Kommersant" Maxim Yusin.


The journalist noted that the corresponding countermeasures were delivered to the territory of Armenia from Russia. However, they remained in the warehouses "because they were unnecessary" and were not used.

Informed people say that Moscow supplied Yerevan with what Pashinyan asked for. One can guess what, obviously, the means to combat drones - Israeli and Turkish

- he specified.

According to the data available to Yusin, Russia rendered Armenia a serious militarytechnical help. In addition, the Russians immediately offered mediation services for the settlement. But the Armenian leader brought the situation to a critical one.

Yusin explained that Moscow “on an unofficial level” has a grudge against Pashinyan, since the Russians do not understand why he did this. After that, the journalist, whose sphere of activity includes understanding the events taking place in politics and public life, set out several hypotheses, referring to his sources.

From knowledgeable people, I heard that almost from the second week of the conflict, Moscow made proposals to agree to some clearly more acceptable conditions than what Yerevan received in the end

- he said.

Rumor has it that he (Pashinyan - ed.), Before rejecting, consulted with his Western friends, and they told him that do not agree to this

- he added.

According to another version, which does not contradict the first, Pashinyan often trusted the bravura assurances of the Armenian military. But Russia, which was closely watching the development of events on the Karabakh front, became clear quickly enough.

Therefore, Moscow minimized the damage to the Armenians while it was possible and it was not too late by implementing the peacekeeping initiative. Russia was not interested in the fall of Nagorno-Karabakh and the exodus of Armenians from this region.

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  1. Vladimir_ Voronov (Vladimir) 17 November 2020 17: 02
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    The journalist noted that the corresponding countermeasures were delivered to the territory of Armenia from Russia. However, they remained in the warehouses "because they were unnecessary" and were not used.

    the Russians immediately offered mediation services for the settlement. But the Armenian leader brought the situation to a critical one.

    It is with such statements that Soros's protege Pashenyan will be removed, and this is not at all a pro-Kremlin journalist.
  2. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
    Ser sash (Ser Sash) 17 November 2020 17: 24
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    This was done for the same reason why the Ukrainian generals drove the army into the cauldrons.
    Only there, in order to strengthen anti-Russian sentiments, and here it would be nice to get rid of a suitcase without a handle. Like - it's a shame, but what could we do?
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 17: 55
      -4
      ... This was done for the same reason why the Ukrainian generals drove the army into the cauldrons.
      Only there, to strengthen anti-Russian sentiments ...

      - everyone will twist Putin's people, they say black for white, for black white, there is no bottom in moral decline to which putinoid can sink. The "boilers" were formed, not because of stupid Ukrainian generals, but "stupid" Ukrainian generals could not even think that when they attacked, battalion tactical groups of the RF Armed Forces would hit their rear. Although at that time the army of Ukraine, frankly, did not shine, but it could defeat the irregular formations of the Donbas.
      1. Paramon Pictures (Paramon Pictures) 19 November 2020 09: 14
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        Cudgel - you are cudgel
      2. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
        Ser sash (Ser Sash) 19 November 2020 12: 59
        -1
        The generals are not stupid, they deliberately sought high losses in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions.
  3. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 17 November 2020 17: 31
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    a journalist whose field of activity includes the comprehension of events,

    - I am delighted! Journalist. He is simply obliged to convey the events! He is not an analyst. This is a separate area, he does not write epitaphs.
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  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 November 2020 21: 22
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    Ha ha ha
    Pashinyan is in flight and now everyone will blame him.
    No one stuttered during the entire war that Russia brought electronic warfare to Armenia, but they "remained in warehouses" because they were not needed "and were not used",
    And now that's it, it turns out that there was electronic warfare, but Pashinyan and her military men ...
  7. DeGreen Offline DeGreen
    DeGreen 17 November 2020 22: 30
    +1
    I remember Pashinyan's interview well, where he said that the Karabakh army would reach Baku in 72 hours
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 20: 49
      -2
      Yes, the liar is still the scoundrel Pashinyan! Whether it is we, Grozny, in 72 hours with one airborne regiment! And 25 million highly paid jobs and a pension at 60 and Moscow is the World Financial Center by 2020! And in every interview "there is no time to swing" and "get off the oil and gas needle", I remember those interviews well, and there are witnesses and there are records of these interviews too! I never lied, not that this scoundrel Pashinyan!
      Ostap Ibragimovich Bender turned over in his coffin three times with envy.
      1. DeGreen Offline DeGreen
        DeGreen 19 November 2020 07: 30
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        Citizen from the country of jumpers, you (the Ukrainian Armed Forces) defended Grozny in the first Chechen war. Together with Dudaev
  8. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 18 November 2020 00: 17
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    Hike, I start to have a split personality: they are absolutely confident in reporting how "the Soviet secret Russian electronic warfare systems sent quickly" have confidently landed Turkish UAVs and now everything will be chiki-bunches, otherwise they say that the Armenians have abandoned them.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 18 November 2020 07: 08
      0
      Armenians are still those storytellers. There was no electronic warfare or Wagner there. As the Azerbaijanis planned to seize Shusha, they did so.
  9. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 18 November 2020 01: 09
    +1
    Actually, the Maginot line on 14.06.1940/1/7. attacked and, in a few hours, broke through the XNUMXst and XNUMXth Infantry Armies of Army Group C of Colonel General von Leeb.
    Who, subsequently, closed the blockade of Leningrad and became the great-uncle of the singer Maksakova. But, "tse vzhe same ...".
    But you need to know about the Maginot line, because a person makes money as an expert.
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  11. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
    Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 18: 42
    -2
    The vile Sorosite Pashinyan was in power for only two years, before that the pro-Russian Karabakh clan was in power, which (the clan) was supposed to turn NK into a fortress. But the clan took up stealing, and some of the clan decided to become prime minister (for life) in 2018. The Yerevanians did not support this and clashes began between the Prime Minister and Pashinyan, mind you, not the hand of the State Department, but the usurpation of power by one comrade from the Karabakh Clan. Armenia is not even a poor country, may the Armenians forgive me, but a beggar. Moreover, poverty in Armenia was precisely under the Karabakh clan, and the Armenians considered the clan to be the main culprit of their poverty.
    Here is a typical attitude of Armenians towards the Russian Federation:

    ... the role of Russia in the eyes of Armenians is not as unequivocally positive as it seems to us from here (from the Russian Federation). The main claims are: a) "Lenin's betrayal" with the transfer of significant Armenian territories to Turkey b) stopping the victorious offensive on Baku during the Karabakh war under Russian pressure, despite the fact that Russia traded in arms equally with Armenians and Azerbaijanis c) politics "or Russia, or the whole world "led by our brilliant state - the Armenians would like (see point 2) to have close good relations with France, and with the United States, and with Russia at the same time; d) withdrawal from the economic turnover of a huge amount of land for Russian military bases, training grounds and the border strip. On the Turkish side, the beds and houses go all the way to the banks of the Araks, on the Armenian side - a plowed strip, thousands of hectares of land taken out of circulation (the border, like on the Amur, the Far East will understand me), associated with a serious moral decay of the Russian officers; ...

    ... for Armenia, the key diasporas are French and American Armenians, and not at all Gagik from the restaurant "Ani" in your yard; ... "probably meant the yard of Rostov or Stavropol.
    When Pashinyan became Prime Minister, he naturally could not inspect every trench and every minefield. And the military, that we have, that in Armenia, sing the same song: "Little blood, on foreign territory ...

    It is now clear what happened, what happened. And on September 27-30, the result of this company was not at all obvious. Moreover, when the RA (Republic of Azerbaijan) Armed Forces approached the foothills of Karabakh, many were sure that the war would stop there. Everyone is smart in hindsight!
    There is an opinion that it was the Karabakh clan who, at the initial stage of the war, played along with the AZ Armed Forces so that Pashinyan would lose "a little". But the strength of the RA Armed Forces was not calculated.
    Moreover, if in the place of the army of Karabakh (Armenia), the RF Armed Forces from some 20th or 22nd army, everything would end in the same way as the Armenians. Look at the exercises of the RF Armed Forces, the same window dressing, deception, disregard for camouflage and the lack of reconnaissance and strike UAVs and drones - kamikaze. Generalisimo Shoigu honors window dressing, PR, hiding inconvenient facts about the army, any report on the situation in the Armed Forces - everything is either wonderful or very, very wonderful. Do you know, for example, how many cartridges a conscript fires a year?

    ... Just want to note that not everyone in the army is shooting. Most often it is 1 or 2 times for the entire year of service. Or how it happened to me about 15 times in the whole year ...

    Our officers have more squabbles and laziness than the Armenians will have.
    Well, about the super-mega-help that we could have provided to Armenia, had it not been for the henchman of the scoundrel Soros! Firstly, they help the people and the country, and not the current leader, who today is alone, and tomorrow is different (this does not apply to the Russian Federation, we have a lifelong one). be in power in Armenia, not Pashinyan, but some kind of Akopyan or even Ivanov Andryusha, has anything changed? Yes, not a fig! We do not have modern weapons, modern tactics and influence on regional powers (hello Turkey)!
    So that we put the Armenians and their Prime Minister Ivanov Andryusha, Buki and slightly retouched Arrows, so the Armed Forces of the AR would have showered them with imitators and countered with Harps, the result would have been the same, the outfit of forces would only have been more. How would we then justify our helplessness? Gasket mantras?
  12. _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 18 November 2020 20: 54
    0
    How can you supply something if no one in the world has 100% effective at all, and even more so (because there are no drones) in Russia in particular?
  13. Pound Offline Pound
    Pound (Alexander) 19 November 2020 04: 14
    +1
    Quote: Cudgel
    ... This was done for the same reason why the Ukrainian generals drove the army into the cauldrons.
    Only there, to strengthen anti-Russian sentiments ...

    - everyone will twist Putin's people, they say black for white, for black white, there is no bottom in moral decline to which putinoid can sink. The "boilers" were formed, not because of stupid Ukrainian generals, but "stupid" Ukrainian generals could not even think that when they attacked, battalion tactical groups of the RF Armed Forces would hit their rear. Although at that time the army of Ukraine, frankly, did not shine, but it could defeat the irregular formations of the Donbas.
  14. Paramon Pictures (Paramon Pictures) 19 November 2020 09: 17
    0
    This must be conveyed to all Armenians so that they insert Pasha ...
  15. Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 19 November 2020 14: 33
    0
    Why help the Armenians at all? To spit in the back again? It was enough for us to see and hear from the mouths of Armenians so much slop addressed to us in several years that the disappearance of even the whole of Armenia would not become something remarkable for us.