What Turkey will get in Azerbaijan as a winner


The second Karabakh war ended with the complete defeat of Armenia. Turkey's intervention allowed Baku to regain control of key positions in the unrecognized republic in a month and a half, which, apparently, will soon be completely liquidated. Now the only intrigue is that Ankara will get the second winner in the South Caucasus.


The Turks may be interested in many things, in particular, access to the Caspian Sea and further to Central Asia, where they will receive more opportunities to develop hydrocarbon resources, control cargo flows and build a hypothetical "Army of Turan". To a large extent, Ankara has already advanced on this issue, "breaking through" through the territory of Armenia a land corridor, which will ultimately connect the Turkish Mediterranean coast and the Azerbaijani Caspian coast by rail. A good bonus would be the opening of a Turkish military base in Transcaucasia, which will become a guarantor of the security of infrastructure investments, but on this issue the points of view are diametrically opposed.

As soon as Armenia recognized the fact of its surrender, President Aliyev was the first to talk about the possibility of bringing Turkish peacekeepers to Nagorno-Karabakh. The Russian Foreign Ministry denied his words, hastily declaring that there would be no Turkish peacekeepers there, there was only room for observers within the monitoring center. But Ankara clearly has a different opinion on this matter. According to the Sabah news agency, the Turkish parliament began drafting a resolution two days ago allowing the deployment of armed forces to Nagorno-Karabakh. Note, we are talking about the troops, and not about some kind of "observers". Where the Turkish army will be deployed will be decided by President Erdogan.

Unpleasant? Does it not agree with the vision of the Russian Foreign Ministry? Strictly speaking, what can Moscow do, let's figure it out.

At first, Nagorno-Karabakh is de jure the territory of Azerbaijan, this republic is not recognized either by Russia or by Armenia itself. By the way, it was on this basis that Yerevan was denied military assistance.

Secondly, as a result of the military defeat, this unrecognized republic de facto ceased to exist. Russian peacekeepers are guarding Stepanakert for a transitional period, the Armenian population has already begun its exodus.

Thirdly, President Aliyev, as a winner, stressed that "certain regions of Nagorno-Karabakh" will not have any "special status":

There is no status. This is our big политическая victory. Karabakh will not have any status as long as I am president!

That is, this is still the territory of Azerbaijan, in respect of which Baku has no international obligations. And by military force, he was able to regain control over it. I would like to ask a question to domestic political scientists and advanced liberal journalists - what can prevent the two sovereign states, Turkey and Azerbaijan, from agreeing among themselves on the deployment of Turkish troops on the territory of the latter, in particular, in Nagorno-Karabakh? Do I need to be interested in the dissenting opinion of the Russian Foreign Ministry? Alas, this is completely unnecessary.

Moving on, what will happen when the losing Armenian side fulfills the demands for demilitarization and the population who does not agree to live under the new administration will finally leave? That's right, Baku will officially ask the Russian peacekeepers to leave its territory. And if Moscow starts to delay this, then the Syrian terrorists, already deployed to Karabakh, will arrange for our second "Khmeimim" there, continuously attacking with drones. By the way, it is the Turkish drone UAVs that are rightfully considered the weapon of victory in the Second Karabakh. Prospects are not very clear, let's face it.

How can Russia prevent the appearance of Turkish military bases in Azerbaijan? Yes, in general, no way. A month and a half ago, for example, it was still possible to arrange a symmetrical offensive in Idlib with the help of Syrian allies for "friend Recep", and now it is too late. Well, it's not the first time to regret missed opportunities.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2020 11: 14
    -3
    A new topic for 10 years ahead: to scare a little with Turkey. (a strategic partner, by the way) and her volunteers ...
    Now, for sure, gasoline will rise in price even more)))))
    1. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
      Many_ways_point 15 November 2020 11: 28
      +1
      Why not? Turkey is a really hostile state to the Russian Federation, the purpose of which is to seize part of the territory of the Russian Federation and a war with which is practically inevitable.
      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 15 November 2020 12: 41
        +1
        no more hostile than japan, usa, uk and dill.
        1. rrt Offline rrt
          rrt (rrt) 15 November 2020 14: 40
          -1
          Unlike the above, Turkey is ready to fight with Russia even yesterday. It invited many times to the war (meaning Modern Time), and Russia brushed aside, throwing "bones" into the jaws of a "mad dog" (no / s / paid pipelines and nuclear power plants with training of Turkish specialists, the latest air defense systems, tourists, an ambassador, many soldiers and officers, destroyed military equipment, Artsakh). I hope the General Staff understands that London has made a strategic decision and its "dog", sooner or later, will grab the Russian Federation's neck. Russia will get a war, with or without shame. Now it's the Armenians' turn to get popcorn)) (a little bit of black humor) In fact, everything is very serious ...
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 15 November 2020 15: 47
            0
            The dog of London is probably Pashinyan, who is the girlfriend of His Majesty the King of Great Britain?))) Armenians have already shown how they can be grateful. and the president of Artsakh put all the points in their places. Pashinyan is not a traitor and YOU ALL !. no one tore off the sofa. You're not big enough to stock up on popcorn. Russia can again not interfere with the Turks ...
          2. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
            Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 07: 12
            -1
            What are you talking about. Why didn't Turkey start fighting when Russia killed 33 Turks in Idlib, when it destroyed the Turkish proxy camp quite recently?
            1. white gentleman Offline white gentleman
              white gentleman (Ivan) 16 November 2020 12: 43
              0
              Quote: Elena Ushkova
              Russia killed 33 Turks in Idlib when defeated Turkish camp

              What nonsense? In Syria, the Syrians killed the Turks, for which they paid dearly, and the camp was not Turkish, but pro-Turkish - feel the difference.
              The Turks shot down a clearly Russian Su-24, and Russia wiped out, yes.
              1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
                Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 18: 20
                0
                An air attack in the Jebel al-Dweila area of ​​Idlib province that targeted a training camp of Failak al-Sham, one of the largest Turkish-backed militias in the area, was Moscow's message to Ankara.

                “This was not so much a Russian attack on the Syrian opposition as a direct blow to Turkey and a message to it,” Charles Lister, director of the US-based Middle East Institute, told Al Jazeera.

                https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/10/28/rossiya-udarila-po-turcii-v-idlibe-poka-ona-razminala-muskuly-v-karabahe
    2. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
      Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 07: 14
      -5
      In which countries is gasoline cheap? By the way, I agree with your first proposal. Hysteria is being whipped up deliberately. But not by Putin's propaganda.
      1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
        Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 10: 51
        0
        In all, oil-producing and not so much (Kazakhstan) countries, gasoline is cheap, and if we take the ratio of salary to the cost of a liter of gasoline, then in general, very cheap.

        ... Hysteria is being whipped up deliberately. But not by Putin's propaganda ...

        - that's how! Can you name Western television programs, where would their propagandists, splashing saliva, whip up hysteria? Why is there such confidence that the West is stirring up hysteria, that you watch Western television and read their press?
        The usual cliché, pro-Putin suckers, everyone is bad, we alone are in white.
        1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
          Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 18: 27
          +2
          The top ten countries with the cheapest fuel include Algeria, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Uzbekistan, Nigeria, Egypt, Malaysia, Oman and Venezuela. There, the cost does not exceed $ 0,6 per liter. In Russia 0,7. In the United States, 0,79. Hysteria is whipped up by liberda.
          1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
            Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 19: 13
            -1
            Madam, from the troll factory. You so elegantly indicated $ 0.6 per liter, but I would like to be more precise. Moreover, in terms of production we have the first - second place, which means that gasoline should cost as in the most oil-producing countries. And so in US dollars. We are somehow far from our two main competitors in the oil business, the Saudis and Kuwait.
            Azerbaijan - 0.46
            Kazakhstan - 0.37
            Iran, Qatar - 0.31
            Egypt - 0.3
            Algeria - 0.22
            Kuwait - 0.21
            Saudis - 0.17
            Libya - 0.11
            Venezuela - 0.01
            Hysteria is being whipped up by the central TV channels, Soloviev and Kiselev spat saliva on all the TV cameras and keep up with them from the bunker. Well, you, of course, are making your contribution that the Motherland is in danger and it is necessary to save our oligarchy from the attack of London!
            1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
              Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 21: 04
              +1
              Why is gasoline expensive in Norway and in the United States? Yes. I agree that Soloviev and Co. are also stirring up hysteria. The synagogue rules there.
    3. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 10: 46
      0
      I agree that when Poseidons and Armata run out, they will scare evil Turkey in order to justify the failed policy of the eternal president.
      And there, you see, Moldova will catch up.
      1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
        pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 21: 12
        0
        Well no. They will be intimidated by the ban on titanium supplies to the United States. The ban on the supply of uranium to the United States. The ban on the participation of our firms in the joint program for the exploration of the moon. Let the Mask fly on the crap. The shuttles have already flown, before the first accident with casualties. Prohibiting American companies from participating in gas and oil production. Nationalization of Gazprom, where the share of bourgeois property is 25%. There is something to scare. And shitty smartphones can be bought in China.
        1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
          Rashid116 (Rashid) 23 November 2020 23: 22
          -1
          (Pavel) Why have not they used such wonderful arguments so far? There, by the way, there is still a lot of things that would be critical for them. Yes, the same RGD engine seems to be, even if they were going to the station by foot, they would have fallen behind us, but no, the mole waited until they finished their move and sent Roscosmos to hell. Do you really believe that? I'm just wondering where people generate such thoughts, well, what made you write this comment? Were there any grounds? Has he already acted so harshly with our enemies? Well, at least something.
          1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
            Rashid116 (Rashid) 23 November 2020 23: 40
            -1
            By the way, the share of bourgeois owners is greater, if my memory serves me. I was interested in this issue, everything is in the public domain. There is still a share of "others" - a rather unhealthy percentage. And foreign owners recently owned a controlling stake. But apparently they decided that even for ours, they endured it too much and lowered the percentage a little. Now, a little less than the controlling stake, but taking into account the "others", they will block any deal. By the way, the state also does not have a controlling stake. There, if all state owners get together, it turns out to be about half with the bourgeoisie. So in the case of kipish, just all sorts of "others" will put an end to the dispute, but they will not vote for us, believe me. So, a national treasure is only an advertising slogan. By the way, they seem to have been banned from using it through the court, where they came across, laziness was to dig, and so everything is clear to me about this sharazh.
  2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 15 November 2020 11: 24
    -2
    That is, this is still the territory of Azerbaijan, in respect of which Baku has no international obligations. And by military force, he was able to regain control over it. I would like to ask a question to domestic political scientists and advanced liberal journalists, and what can prevent the two sovereign states, Turkey and Azerbaijan, from agreeing among themselves on the deployment of Turkish troops on the territory of the latter, in particular, in Nagorno-Karabakh? Do I need to be interested in the dissenting opinion of the Russian Foreign Ministry? Alas, this is completely unnecessary.

    - Pff ... - Yes ... of course ... - Personally, I've already stated this several times ...
    - It is worth adding to this the fact that ... that ... that Russia has set itself up like this by introducing a military contingent; that it is even difficult to imagine all the consequences of this "reckless" act ...
    - 1. Now Russia is simply obliged to supply Armenia with the latest weapons ... - to practically re-equip the entire army of Armenia (since the CSTO); where to get this "latest weapon", if Russia itself does not have it;
    2. It is already becoming clear that Pashinyan "sat down" and will not go anywhere ... - this means that the whole anti-Russian policy of Armenia will continue;
    3. Azerbaijan may agree to deteriorate relations with Russia and, in an "alternative form", propose the creation of Turkish bases on the territory of Azerbaijan ... - And most likely Turkey itself will not want to establish its bases on the territory of impoverished Karabakh, like Russia ... and will prefer the territory Azerbaijan ... - But this does not mean that Turkey will not get too involved in the "Karabakh problems" ...
    - Ie Turkey and Azerbaijan are simply using the presence of Russian troops in Karabakh to create Turkish bases in Azerbaijan ... - that's how Russia put a pig on itself ... - Alas ...
    4. After some time, Azerbaijan will simply demand Russia to withdraw its troops from Karabakh ... - And Russia, having spent colossal funds, will be forced, abandoning all the constructed facilities ... - to leave Karabakh (as the Soviet troops once left Western Europe) .. ...
    - Russia will leave; and the Turkish military bases in Azerbaijan will remain ...
    - Further ... - no comments ....
    1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
      Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 07: 11
      0
      Again the truncated was gone, for the umpteenth time. What is it. How many such analysts have already read about Syria and Donbass ...
      1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
        Rashid116 (Rashid) 23 November 2020 23: 47
        -1
        Well, where did you see success? Maybe share information. And here and there we did not achieve any of our goals. Maybe at least one of these countries does not kill the locals and ours too. In the results I see only overweight generals and coffins of soldiers back home ,everything.
  3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 November 2020 12: 25
    +1
    now adherents of the Kremlin prisoner will explain what the author is wrong
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 15 November 2020 12: 56
      +1
      There are views on a half-full and half-empty glass, the author sees a half-empty glass, but there are explanations for this. Winners always want more, this is their right, but in reality they will get as much as they deserve. The main thing is not taken into account, the bankruptcy of the influence of the United States and Europe in the Transcaucasia, this is the main victory of Russia ... To stop the expansion of Turkey (in Central Asia, among the Tatars and others), Russia needs to become economically and politically stronger, today the Russian Federation looks like a conquered colony supplying resources to the winners with a comprador predatory rule and a poor people ... In this situation, Russia will clearly lose ...
    2. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 10: 53
      -1
      They have, in your opinion

      ... adherents of the Kremlin inmate ..

      - but in my opinion, simple, Putin suckers. Always ready, Poseidon, Vanguard and the genius geopolitician Putin, who never loses. Poor people, you can't argue and convince.
      1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
        Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 18: 34
        0
        The Americans and the British are probably also suckers by your logic, since they estimate the military potential of Russia highly.
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 18: 38
          -3
          About nuclear weapons yes, high. As for the rest, the Kremlin propaganda whistles into your ears that armor is strong and tanks are fast. And so that there are no doubts, then through the Western Internet - garbage dumps it does, they say, in the Western media, everyone is ready to surrender from one kind of formidable Russian bear. Believe further, madam.
          Armenians quite recently also believed that their army was super-duper, it would reach Baku in a week.
          1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
            Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 21: 08
            0
            Well, read from the fresh about Tank 90 in the National interest, about Poseidon. You can read about electronic warfare. You compare the Armenians with the Ukrainians. It is necessary to compare the comparable. Taking into account Crimea, Syria, Donbass, Ossetia, Abkhazia and peacekeepers in Karabakh.
          2. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
            pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 21: 15
            +1
            Yeah, we have propaganda. And the Americans are downright true. THE AMERICAN MEDIA IS BREAKING. When was Trump turned off the air there for the truth? The United States has long been occupied by transnational corporations and ordinary Americans are enslaved.
  4. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 12: 38
    -3
    Don't they read newspapers at your place?

  5. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 15 November 2020 22: 03
    +5
    A month and a half ago, for example, it was still possible to arrange a symmetrical offensive in Idlib with the help of Syrian allies for "friend Recep", and now it is too late.

    Who said it's late? With any step of Turkey that goes across the interests of the Russian Federation, you can demolish the base of the pro-Turkish militants, snatch a piece of the territory of the SAR from them, close the exit to tourists under the pretext of quarantine, find a terrible disease in tomatoes / oranges ...
    And what will he do? Who will cover him?
    Erdogan is holding back until he seriously touches on the interests of Turkish business with ties to Russia. Now he is hanging by a thread. The two previous presidents have long kept the lira course within reasonable limits.
    01.10.2001 - 1,6 lire per dollar,
    01.07.2014/2,14/XNUMX - XNUMX lire per dollar. Erdogan became president in August. And away we go.
    01.10.2020 this figure has reached 8,34 lira per dollar, now - 7,66.
    It doesn't look very good. What Erdogan is doing now is not about the economy. And not even about politics. It works out the control center from MI 6. And this can give short-term leaps up a little, but in the future it leads the country's economy to failure.
    Now the main players are waiting for the stabilization of the situation in the United States. Therefore, they do not take strategic steps. It doesn't matter who wins. After the final victory of any candidate, this or that scenario comes into force. Both are ready for a long time. And, once these scenarios begin, unpleasant surprises await Turkey. She is not needed.
    Iran is needed, Azerbaijan is needed. Turkey is not needed.
  6. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 16 November 2020 00: 47
    -3
    Who is Turkey anyway? As a state, it has ten years left to exist, and this is at best. That with her to be worn like a written sack. This is for the leadership of Russia.
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    2. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
      Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 07: 08
      -1
      You better advise American penguins to bomb Turkey.
  7. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
    Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 07: 06
    -2
    Turkey will get bases in Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan an unstable regime? Why Aliyev and the state as a whole need this is not clear. Well, that's their problem. Another question is, will Turkey fight Russia? Like, they are completely crazy?. Turkey is an unpleasant partner, but even in the same Syria it is perfectly contained, bombed and in spite of everything, Turkey does not twitch against Russia, because it perfectly measures its strength. Where will Turkey penetrate? To Armenia and Georgia? They don't wait for her there. To the North Caucasus? In the form of builders did the Turks penetrate all over Russia, in the form of teachers? Well, if the North Caucasus has a memory like fish .... And the FSB suppresses the activities of such shepherds. All this hysteria with Turkey is similar only to the one-on-one Russia squeezing into Turkey, so that a real, and not a fictitious, conflict arises between them.
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 11: 00
      -2
      Turkey, of course, does not want to fight with the Russian Federation. But, let's say, suddenly you have to come to terms with Turkey. You understand that at best it will be a stalemate, the turkey of the modern Russian Federation is too tough. They will snap our landing in the Dardanelles and will not sweat, the entire Black Sea Fleet will sink in 4 hours, and at the same time they will smash the base in Syria, and this is where our war with Turkey will end.
      Putin has brought the Russian army to the point that if not nuclear weapons, then an average regional power is too tough for us. They sailed, as they say.
      Yes, people can show tank biathlon, let them be happy.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 November 2020 12: 45
        +1
        And why does the Russian Federation need a landing on the Dardanelles, if the Russian cruise missiles can multiply by zero all the military facilities of Turkey and Ankara to boot ?! The entire territory of Turkey with missiles from the Russian Federation is shot through and through, Turkey has no opportunity to shoot through the Russian Federation through and through.
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 13: 04
          -3
          In modern wars, it is not customary to fire cruise missiles at cities, they will not understand, sir. How many cruise missiles does the Russian Federation have, 200 combat-ready pieces, and will they get into the bridge or the GDP? The American was shocked at the Syrian airfield with a hundred tomahawks and the result was not very impressed. I am afraid that the Russian Federation will have enough cash, combat-ready, only for Incirlik.
          NATO will help Turkey with cruise missiles, and the Turks will pull the answer. Moreover, the straits will be closed and the Black Sea Fleet will be allowed to go to the bottom.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 November 2020 14: 20
            +1
            Well, after Turkey's participation in supporting the Chechen terrorists in the Russian Federation, they will understand completely, but they don't care about others, they bark, well, they will impose sanctions and they will sit on the priest. Do not worry, in the Russian Federation there are only Soviet X-55s more than 2500 thousand, not counting others. In Syria, they ended up in a bunker, I don't think that the bridge or the GDP is a more difficult goal. Well, the Tomahawks did not make it ... But they will fly to Turkey, because one S-400 division cannot fight off, especially since it is in export performance. and the basis of Turkey's air defense is made up of the antediluvian RZK Hok, the price of which, according to our times, is 3 kopecks. I do not think that NATO will harness itself. Relations with Turkey have been seriously damaged, and the Russian Federation may react to the transfer of missiles to Turkey by transferring its missiles to Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and then what! And then the Yankees will not have enough valerian ...
            1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 14: 41
              -2
              Ah, well, yes, the mythical 2500 units of X-55, from storage, power, write that 250 000 units in warehouses, the Internet will endure! And they even start, will not rush at the start? And maybe there are also mosinki and 45s on the scads of the Ministry of Defense, too, it will be possible to attach to the blow to Turkey!
              At the last Caucasus 2020, the Ministry of Defense was pretty good at it, here is a link from a "patriotic" resource related to this one:

              https://topwar.ru/175470-skshu-kavkaz-2020-ili-chernomorskij-razgrom-rossijskogo-flota.html

              NATO will not harness, it will help with weapons and intelligence, but NATO will not be needed, Turkey will figure it out on its own.

              ... The Russian Federation can respond by transferring its missiles to Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and then what! And then the Yankees will not have enough valerian ...

              - and how will a hypothetical CD transferred to Venezuela fly to the United States to be done there? Wet, rosy dreams of Putin's sucker, who believes in the omnipotence of old weapons left over from the Soviets and the readiness of third countries to use it against the United States. Well, Turkey will not smack about the cities, but will occupy the corridor that goes from Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan, and then what will the Ministry of Defense do, Konashenkov will conduct briefings and cry.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 November 2020 15: 11
                +2
                I did not vote for Putin. I am not interested in the problems of Armenia and the Armenians, and as for me, the Russian Federation has nothing to do there. Separated from Russia, banned the Russian language, called the Russians invaders. Let them solve their problems themselves, and as for me, then shish you and not the citizenship of the Russian Federation, this is me about all the scoops who are sick with Russophobia, who have their own independent non-state. And the Russian Federation has quite decent rockets and bombs. This could be confirmed by many patients with Russophobia, if they had not died.
              2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 November 2020 16: 07
                +2
                The missiles of the Russian Federation are quite combat-ready, this could be confirmed by many animals, if they did not bent. Namely, animals, because such as the murderer of women and children Basayev, people cannot be called. So go with your Turkey and Ukraine to scare hedgehogs. The Russian Federation has only tactical nuclear warheads 30000, and the volumetric explosion bombs are better than the US.
                1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                  Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 17: 35
                  -3
                  And the Russian Federation also has a Death Star, Putin himself and his pearls, in the form of this:

                  ... Right now, for the first time in our modern history, Russia possesses the most modern types of weapons, which are many times superior in strength, power, speed, accuracy to all existing and existing today [weapons], no one in the world has such weapons, in any case, not yet, "Putin stressed ...

                  I think that the enemies are more afraid of Putin himself, and not his Death Star!
                  We will not be able to handle 30 TNW, nuclear weapons are a perishable product, there the regulations, temperature, humidity are important, not the curvature of the personnel (which cannot be said about modern Shoigu warriors). 000 30 TNW is more dangerous for us than for NATO. Therefore, tell tales about 00 TNW at a children's matinee at school.
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 November 2020 21: 51
                    +1
                    Shoigu is one of the most intelligent generals today, and where he is, there is more order. US nuclear weapons are older than in the Russian Federation and there is a hundred times more curvature there. So go scare the Yankees with your fears, I know very well how it really is in the army. It’s not brilliant and there are many problems and fairy tales tell the people a lot about how everything is OK with us, but everything is not as bad as you hope, and it is better not to fight between Turkey and the Russian Federation if it does not want to return to the Stone Age. with which Turkey is armed, it can frighten such countries as: Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova ... Greece is no longer very scared, and Russia, or France, is not scared at all ...
                    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                      Cudgel (Dubina) 17 November 2020 13: 20
                      -3
                      Write right away that the Generalisimo of all times and peoples, the Great Shoigu, is the new Rokossovsky, Suvorov and Lexander Nevsky! Where Shoigu appears, ISIS is running at full speed, the Americans are rolling up their bases and the blind become sighted.
                      Shoigu, an ordinary PR man and opportunist, like the glorious Rogozin, like their chief.
                      And how will the RF Ministry of Defense drive Turkey into the Stone Age, throw it with officers' caps? Wake up, young man. The rival of the Russian Federation is countries such as Georgia, Azeybarjan and Kazakhstan, Moldova, the rest, if you do not take nuclear weapons too tough. They were reformed, however.
                      1. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 18 November 2020 01: 22
                        +3
                        The Russian Federation has a lot of ways to drive Turkey into the Stone Age, and Turkey has no way to defeat the Russian Federation. Compared to his predecessors, Shoigu is quite a decent minister, and if not all, then he has a lot, as it should. With its Leopards-1, which form the basis of Turkey's tank fleet, it can only frighten Somalia.
                      2. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 12: 56
                        -3
                        Yes, Putin has already demonstrated this, he banned Turkish tomatoes. Faberge was prevented from driving Putin into the "Stone Age", and the Turks can answer that it will not seem like little.
                        The basis of the tank fleet of the Turks is Leo-2A4. And the Turks are not frightening Somalia, but the group of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria, where the Turks wrested the territory, while ours sit under a mat and do not climb the territory to return. But in the words of Putin's words all the brave, have already recaptured the Straits and turned Istanbul into Constantinople.

                        ... Compared to his predecessors, Shoigu is quite a decent minister ...

                        - and in comparison with Volochkova, Shoigu generally turns out to be a megamarshal! Is Shoigu able to at least voice a text of a couple of sentences without a piece of paper, or is this thought process unavailable for him?
                      3. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 22 November 2020 01: 15
                        +1
                        The basis of the park is what makes up the lion's share of it. Turkey has 2 Leopards-316, and 1 antediluvian Leopards, so think about what the Turks will fight. There are another 397 pieces of no less antediluvian M-100. These tanks are inferior in performance even to the Soviet T-60.
                      4. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 22 November 2020 13: 02
                        -1
                        It's good that you can copy the number of tanks from Wikipedia. M-60 (Sabra) they have pretty decent, with reactive armor, 120 mm cannon, German diesel. At first they were used by the M-60 Sabra, now they are using the Leo-2A4. And Leo-1A, in reserve and it seems that there is no plan to modernize, which means that they will be used to a limited extent.
                        Therefore, the main tank is the one used by the Turks Leo-2A.
                        The USSR also had tens of thousands of T-55s in storage, but the T-72 was considered the basis.
                      5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 11: 27
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                        Sabra burned like a candle in Syria. The M-60 is the same age as the T-54, but you can't make a good tank out of a museum piece. The same Israel has long written off all the captured T-54, T-55 captured from the Arabs, because they understand that modernizing old stuff is an endlessly stupid idea. The USSR has not been for more than 30 years. Grandma remembered how she was in girls.
                      6. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 12: 05
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                        T-72s burned like celuloid in Donbas (and in Donbas there were relatively new, modernized T-72B3s), in NGOs, in Syria, and dozens, if not hundreds, burned. And the Turks lost relatively few tanks.

                        ... the USSR has not been for more than 30 years ...

                        - the last T-55s were removed from service in 2010 (they were on the Kuril Islands), and not 30 years ago. And they took it off, because there was no money even for storage.
                        Upgrading to the T-72B3M version didn't improve the trash much. They will also burn, like the T-72B3. If we compare the losses of the T-72 in all wars from 2000 to 2020 and the losses of Leo, during the same period, then the T-72 burned ten times more.
                        Turkish M-60 Sabra, surpasses the T-72B3M. There is nothing to say about the modernized LEO.
                      7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 12: 15
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                        I have not seen a single T-72BM3 in the Donbas. There were a small number of Soviet T-72BMs, which alkanafts from the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to pass off as T-72BM3, then as T-90 ... The Turks lost almost everything that they used on the front line ... so long ago, and the towers from the IS-3 stood ... so it's not tanks. There is no tank named T-72B3M in nature. If you really want to write the name in full, write T-72BM3, that's right. It's not that simple with him. The first series of T-72BM3 were actually quite budgetary, then, in fact, they returned to the previously proposed version of the T-72BM2, with more solid armor and this will be more serious. Tank Leo-2 was not fought anywhere except Afghanistan and Syria. By the way, the first losses of Leo-2 were suffered precisely in Afghanistan, as part of the Danish military contingent, but they tried to keep silent, but frankly it did not work to shade the losses in Syria. M-60 bullshit, call it Sabra or the Death Star, will still remain bullshit. Proven in Syria. Yes, and the IDF are not stupid people, if these tanks were worth something, they would not have been removed from service. This poor Turkey is buying buckets of bolts for its army, because there is no money for new equipment in the required amount.
  • Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
    Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 18: 30
    +2
    That's what I see, Turkey crossed Russia in Syria and captured half of the country. And also tolerates when her camps are bombed. When the storyteller is a club.
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 18: 57
      -3
      The Russian Federation in Syria captured only Damascus and the desert. In significant areas, Americans with Kurds and Turks with Turkomans. And the Russian Federation crossed over the Syrian opposition, which has zero air defense assets. But Turkey and the Americans are too weak, the RF Ministry of Defense does not even try.

      ... And also tolerates when her camps are bombed ...

      this pearl of yours is especially strong! The news that the Aerospace Forces bombed some camps in northern Syria came from the pro-Assad TV, which lies, probably, more than our Konashenkov (although no, Konashenkov is not so easy to misinterpret). And Putin's fuckers, in a patriotic frenzy, began to replicate it. Similarly, when 200 Wagnerians were sent to the next world, news immediately appeared that the Aerospace Forces in Kurdistan had bombed 2000 US Marines. There were also poor people who believed these opuses. Well, believe it and you live so much more sopkoy, because everything is fine.
      1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
        Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 21: 13
        +3
        Well, well, comfort yourself) Yes, the Americans took over the oil fields. And direct confrontations are not needed not only by Russia, but also by the United States. Let them Syrians pound like guerrilla. Well, you believe Uncle Sam and their media. But for some reason they did not help either Georgia, although there were their instructors and weapons, or the Ukrainians from the Crimea and Donbass, or Armenia. Here is your master, club)
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 17 November 2020 13: 29
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          Direct clashes in Syria, only the Russian Federation is not needed. Americans spat on us there, in view of the incompatibility of military potentials. Therefore, ours are quietly, quietly sitting in Khmeimim when an American plane flies over Syria, so God forbid, not to provoke the Americans. I would very much like to see the Syrian partisans who are fucking the Americans. Americans for one of their killed, shoveled all of Syria.

          ... But for some reason they did not help either Georgia, although their instructors and weapons were there, ..

          - I agree with that. Georgia is a rival of which the RF Ministry of Defense can still win! As many as five infantry brigades, mighty! And what kind of American weapons did Georgia have in the 08.08.08 war? Counterfeit M-4 rifles and four radio-equipped Humvees. And at the same time they have thinned our Air Force pretty well.

          ... and the Ukrainians with the Crimea and Donbass, or Armenia ...

          - Well, we captured Crimea when there were no Americans there. At the same time, these were agreements with the Ukrainians and treaties in which we guaranteed them territorial integrity in exchange for nuclear weapons, so the Ukrainians did not develop their armed forces, which we used. Regarding Armenia, why are the Americans afraid to help the country, which is a member of the CSTO. It's like we would help NATO Estonia.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 11: 42
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            Ukraine held more units in Crimea than in Galicia. Several times more. So there is no need to sing the tales that Ukraine allegedly had no soldiers in Crimea. Another thing is that Ukraine regularly forgot to pay these soldiers normally, to buy new military equipment, and the majority of them were Russians by nationality even after the massacre on ethnic grounds. they simply refused to serve the Kiev animals. Well, the planes of the Russian Federation were shot down not by Georgia, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the air defense missile systems that fought in Georgia were removed from combat duty in Ukraine. They shot down several Soviet-made aircraft, but the very first Su-34 raid sent the Banderaites to hell. At the expense of treaties with Ukraine, so the Russian Federation recognized the territorial integrity of Ukraine with one big reservation. 1) Ukraine retains its neutral status ... And it gathered in NATO under Yushchenko ... Is this a violation of the agreement by Ukraine ?! Of course !!! 2) Ukraine has signed a treaty of friendship with the Russian Federation ... So what ?! And the fact that Ukraine went to fight against the Russian Federation in Chechnya and Georgia ... Well, let's say you can still whistle that in Chechnya, they say, there were not the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but volunteers. But in this case, Ukraine, positioning itself as a friendly state of the Russian Federation, should have surrendered the terrorists and bandits who fought against the Russian Federation on the side of Dudayev's separatists to the Russian Federation ... But no, Ukraine refused to the request of the Russian prosecutor's office to extradite these persons. Moreover, Ukraine did not even extradite the criminals who fled from the Russian Federation to Ukraine ... And where is the friendship ?! Yes, Ukraine simply did not give a damn about these agreements !!! As for Georgia, Ukrainian military equipment was used there and Ukrainian vacationers from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to whom the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine then issued apartments ... So the agreement was violated by Kiev, not the Russian Federation ... But there is no contract, no conversation !!! The Russian Federation does not owe anything to UKROPs !!! Well, except for luli for Odessa and stuff !!!
            1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 12: 26
              -3
              Ukraine signed an agreement with the Russian Federation on the guarantee of territorial integrity, in exchange for the withdrawal of nuclear weapons from its territory. And considered the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, their ally, the largest group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was in the West. Nuclear weapons gave Ukraine a full guarantee of territorial integrity, after the rejection of nuclear weapons, guarantees of territorial integrity were implied from all kinds of Poland and Romania. But the stab in the back was not from Poland or NATO, but from the "guarantor".
              Maintained neutral status. Yes, we supported partnerships with NATO, just like we did, we even allowed NATO to use our territory.

              .. Well, let's say you can still whistle that in Chechnya, they say, there were not the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but volunteers ...

              - the regular troops of Ukraine were not there. The putinoids were completely crazy, of course, that in any conflict there will be a bunch of rabble from different countries, in Chechnya the Russians were on the side of Dudayev, so what?

              ... Ukrainian military equipment and Ukrainian vacationers from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to whom the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine then issued apartments ..

              - and of course, can you provide addresses and apartment numbers?

              ..Well, except for luli for Odessa and so on !!! ..

              - couch marginal - a patriot, will go to hang for Odessa, do not fall off the couch.
              Any state now knows that the Russian Federation is not negotiable, and the events in the NGOs once again confirmed this. The OBDC ally was defeated, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense only threw pens.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 12: 35
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                So she considered her ally that in Chechnya she fought on the side of the separatists undermining the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, and in Georgia she fought on the side of Saakashvili against an ally ... Don't make anyone laugh with such stupid statements !!! Frank lies !!! The largest group was in the Crimea and the surrounding area (in the South-East). Part of the forces was transferred to the west after 2014, after the outbreak of complications with Hungary. And the fact that in the Russian Federation the persons who fought on the side of Dudaev received a criminal record, and only in the countries of the former Soviet Union that are sick with Russophobia, they live without straining. in Georgia, from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the Reporter program even a film was shot, capturing the faces of these (heroes) directly in the apartments received from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, for the murders of alleged allies from the Russian Federation, in apartments ...
      2. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
        pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 21: 26
        +2
        What deserts? What a cheap Decepticon bullshit. 80% of Syria has been freed from the occupiers, including the Americans. And this was done with just 50 aircraft.
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 21 November 2020 23: 41
          -3
          ... 80% of Syria was freed from the occupiers, including the Americans ...

          - and even released five times! The great Generalisimus Shoigu liberated all of Syria three times. And the Great Geostrateg Putin two more times and both in a row liberated the whole of Syria. Total 3 +2 = 5 times. Yes, each time they liberated territories that are three times larger than Syria itself.
          Damascus was liberated by 3/4 and deserts that no one needs. The North is under the Turks. The left bank of the Euphrates under the Americans.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 21 November 2020 23: 46
            +1
            Cudgel , you are very emotional about the victory of Russia. smile
            1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 21 November 2020 23: 52
              -2
              The introduction of troops into Syria is a dead end for Putin. By the way, a part of Syria was liberated by the Iranians, Hezbola, the Iraqi police and the SA itself. And our Air Force was simply the Air Force, because the Syrian Air Force was shooting down Israel.
              Syria has not been restored, and if any of these "actors" leave Syria, everything will return there by 2014. It is impossible to restore Syria with one country, Russia. The Syrian company pulls in a lot of money. The Americans are sitting in the oil fields and laughing at the loser, Putin, got involved in a game with negative gains and then, if they are lucky.
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 22 November 2020 00: 29
                -1
                Cudgel, you often complain about low salaries in Russia, apparently you are paid little. Try yourself in literature, fantasy genre. Your tongue is suspended ... smile
                1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                  Cudgel (Dubina) 22 November 2020 13: 09
                  -1
                  Do you "complain" that you are too tall?
                  They are not low, they are beggarly, like a pension, if you are not a former bureaucrat or some kind of security officer. This is the social base of the bunker inmate.
                  For the rest, a TV with wins and braces.
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                  2. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 22 November 2020 17: 41
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                    Quote: Cudgel
                    Do you "complain" that you are too tall?

                    No.

                    PS It turns out I'm a beggar, and I need to listen to Dubina. He knows how to deal with it.
                  3. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 22 November 2020 19: 45
                    -1
                    Put on a jersey that says "I am not among the 22 million poor" and go in it.
                    I believe that you are from the last call of the Putin Oligarchs, you are just bursting with pride from your own self.
                    Take a walk in the Non-Black Earth Region, look for vacancies in provincial cities.
                    If we agree that 17 rubles. this is the middle class, then of course everyone is rich.
                  4. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 22 November 2020 19: 59
                    -1
                    Quote: Cudgel
                    Take a walk in the Non-Black Earth Region, look for vacancies in provincial cities.

                    I will look at the opinion of the inhabitants of the Non-Black Earth Region about Turkey.
                  5. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 22 November 2020 20: 00
                    -1
                    Take a look. Just don't be blinded by the wealth and splendor of the province.
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  • pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
    pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 21: 24
    -1
    Another set of phrases for the cheap "officer's daughter". The purpose and main duty of the RF Armed Forces is to defeat any aggressor, which was successfully demonstrated in Syria, when ten of the three hundred vaunted Tomahawks flew to the target. And the complete defeat of the American barmaley in Syria and the instant peacekeeping operation in Karabakh are just another confirmation. Cheap "officers' daughters" can spit poison as much as they like, but the people of Russia see the truth, and the truth is that Putin is respected in Russia and abroad, and enemies are afraid.
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 21 November 2020 23: 35
      -2
      Uh-huh, with zero air defense at the enemy, they defeated. And even with zero air defense, they managed to lose aircraft. And so that if the SAA or ISIS had air defense, in a month all 50 aircraft would have run out.
      I would like to see how, for example, the valiant Air Force from Khmeini and the Israeli Air Force clashed. Although there is no need to look, they would have skied to Rostov or Voronezh.

      ..but the people of Russia see the truth, and the truth is that Putin in Russia and abroad is respected by friends, and enemies are afraid ...

      - the people of Russia see that Putin is a complete zero on the international arena. Is that Kyrgyzstan did not click on his nose. However, inside the country it is the same zero. 15% of the rating and those from the marginal - patriots.
      1. bear040 Offline bear040
        bear040 22 November 2020 06: 28
        0
        Something I do not remember that the Jews fought with someone other than Arab soldiers of the 6th grade and won the war. Have you already gathered in Voronezh ?! In Voronezh, the regiment, in which Adolf Hitler served in the First World War, was massacred in XNUMX hours, where would you go if he tore you like rams, and in Voronezh they stabbed him. Putin's punctures are his personal problems, which will come back to haunt him in the elections. If you were going to fight with pensioner Putin, then, perhaps, you would have a chance, and the Russian army would kick you.
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 22 November 2020 13: 06
          -1
          ... In Voronezh, the regiment in which Adolf served in the First World War was massacred in XNUMX hours ..

          - the favorite pastime of the putinoids, the merits of the soldiers of the USSR, to whom neither Putin nor him ... have anything to do with, to prolong for today.
          But in reality, NATO will soon be near Belgorod, Turks in the Caucasus, and the real combat capability of the army is such that it cannot cope with the regional powers. This I flattered that only to Voronezh will skedaddle.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 11: 44
            -1
            But in reality, you cannot even take the corpses of your bandits and mercenaries from Chechnya, and dogs drag their bones through the mountains.
            1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 12: 10
              -1
              What are you talking about, comrade, whose corpses, what corpses, where in general have you been carried? About the corpses of the Wagnerites in Syria and Libya? So their corpses are of no use to anyone, they are consumables. Like their injuries, after a Wagnerian loses his leg, he is paid a disability pension at these rates:
              Disabled people of the 1st group receive 200% of a fixed payment or 11372 rubles 50 kopecks.
              Or by these:
              disabled people of the 2nd group - 100% of a fixed payment or 5686 rubles 25 kopecks;
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 12: 19
                -1
                The corpses of mercenaries and military advisers from NATO, including from Turkey, or do you think that there are blacks in Chechnya ?! So they are not there and have never been, except for visitors !!! In Chechnya, only Ukraine lost 50000, and you are all about WAGNER ... You gather your own, otherwise they have been gnawed by dogs in Chechnya for a long time.
                1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                  Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 12: 36
                  -1
                  Did the corpses that were found in Chechnya have certificates of NATO advisers with them? The screeching, of course, was that in Chechnya the whole world was fighting against us, it was necessary at least somehow to justify the enormous losses. Only now, the evidence, as always, is zero.

                  ..In Chechnya, only Ukraine lost 50000 ..

                  You need to take a sedative. The ground forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2013 are 57 people.
                  And our losses in the 1st Chechen, killed: 5042 missing: 690, you wrote about them that they were not found ???
                  wounded: 17
                  So, one regiment of the Airborne Forces.
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 12: 40
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                    And what, there are Negroes in Chechnya, or can a Chechen be confused with a Negro ?! In Tskhinvali, we also found documents more than once, both from Ukraine and the NATO countries, on the corpses of their ichtamnets. Officially, the army of the Russian Federation is about 800 thousand people, but this is official ... So do not write to me about the army of Ukraine, especially since the Ukrops liked to talk on the radio in Chechnya and did not hide who they were ...
                  2. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 12: 50
                    -2
                    ..In Tskhinvali, we found documents more than once, both from Ukraine and from NATO countries, on the corpses of their ichtamnets ...

                    Did you personally find a couch fighter? It's good to fill in, they took some NATO equipment and that's it. Even the Ukrainians were not represented. And what kind of "documents have been found more than once," a NATO military ID?
                    They explain to you that they are trying to justify the gigantic losses in the 1st Chechen war by the presence of NATO, ukrov, Turks and other things there. Rather, you are trying. It’s clear that the RF Armed Forces are more of a ceremonial army, for the most part incapable of fighting a strong enemy, such as regional powers.
                  3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 13: 20
                    0
                    Here you are a sofa fighter, and I am an officer of the Russian special forces. Passports and military cards of Ukraine and a number of other foreign countries. Or do you think that 14,5 mm Elephant sniper rifles fell from the sky into Chechnya ?! Yes, no ... The Russian Air Force Mi-24 helicopters at the Grozny airport covered the military transport An-12 (a healthy four-engine aircraft) of the Azerbaijan Air Force and brought it clearly not pomegranate juice. Well, yes, such a front door that Saakashvili ate his tie and Grozny was taken 2 times
                  4. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 13: 32
                    -3
                    ... Passports and military cards of Ukraine and a number of other foreign countries ...

                    - and what was not presented then? It is now possible to rattle about passports, who will check.

                    ... The Russian Air Force Mi-24 helicopters at the Grozny airport covered the military transport An-12 (healthy four-engine aircraft) of the Azerbaijan Air Force and it was clearly not bringing pomegranate juice ...

                    So brought pomegranate juice, or do you conjecture that the Chechens were brought nuclear weapons and Blasters.

                    .. Well, yes, such a front door that Saakashvili ate his tie ..

                    - it's powerful! Whole Georgia and its two brigades won! Will you reach Washington now too?

                    .. sniper rifles Elephant, caliber 14,5 mm ..

                    - so English rifles or English mercenaries, you comrade decide what you still found there.
                  5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 13: 37
                    -1
                    Many of you are so brave sitting here, on the site they will not give you the ears and they will not force you to ask for forgiveness on your knees ... Yes, they presented it ... If you read more and wrote your nonsense less, you would know that since 2008 The Russian Federation refused to repair and supply spare parts for military equipment to Ukraine, including air defense and maintenance of missiles for air defense systems. Elephant is a Czech relatively modern sniper rifle, and not a British rarity you mentioned. But how do you know about this. In the manuals from Psaki, this is not indicated ... By the way, the British rifles were called Lee Metford and Lee Enfield, not Elephant and the caliber was 7,71 mm, not 14,5 mm ... ...
                  6. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 13: 47
                    -3
                    Okay, Czech, that changes, the bodies of Czech instructors were exchanged for a Czech rifle. So, where are the corpses of NATO members, where is the valor of a special forces soldier like you?

                    .. just since 2008, the Russian Federation has refused to repair and supply spare parts for military equipment to Ukraine, including air defense ...

                    - about missiles and air defenses dragged along, print something else.

                    ... There are a lot of you who are so brave sitting here, on the site they will not give it to your ears and they will not force you to ask for forgiveness on your knees ...

                    - well, yes, here, you are all brave.
                  7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 13: 52
                    -1
                    The corpses of NATO members are in the same place as the corpses of Bandera, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and other riffraff who fought on the side of the deceased Dudayev and company, who fought on the side of the deceased Dudayev and company. Their bones are dragged across the mountains by dogs. You fly, and I write what is. That is why the air defense systems were good. S-300 air defense of Ukraine captured in 2014 in the Crimea only for scrap. Ukraine has never produced air defense systems, even during the Soviet era, so the Soviet air defense systems of Ukraine are doomed to end up in a landfill. Today, the UKROPchiki somehow get out of it due to technical cannibalism, making 3 serviceable out of 1 faulty installations, but this cannot go on forever. So far, only Ukraine has skidded from Donbass. What is not an offensive, then a cauldron and harem pants stinking from (fierce hatred) laughing We brought humanitarian aid there, so their mortar battery fired at us. There will be no more shooting, and the DAMMERS went home with 9 mm holes in their bad heads
                  8. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 23 November 2020 14: 09
                    -3
                    .. There will be no more shooting, but the DIPS went home with 9 mm holes in their bad heads ..
                    - how brave you are. There will be something for the girls to weave. What, then, has the LPNR reduced several times compared to its original area? How could you not skedaddle, skidded and skidded from everywhere. In all recent conflicts, there has been no positive military result. From Libya, you scrambled as soon as the Turks arrived. In Syria and Dombas, it has been making "holes" for more than 5 years, but this is only according to the stories of the "heroes", in fact, it is a peel.

                    ... Ukraine has never produced air defense systems, even during the Soviet era, so the Soviet air defense systems of Ukraine are doomed to end up in a landfill.

                    - what was it written for? This has to do with the fact that people like you - only Georgia can win. Give you a sword too, you
                  9. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 23 November 2020 14: 17
                    0
                    We are too old to run around the girls, and our wives already know who they are married to. Well, Putin is all playing in partnership. He tries to play by the rules, not realizing that the West has double standards everywhere and in any case, NATO will not approve of anything that benefits the Russian Federation. Well, Putin is not eternal, grandfather will sooner or later leave ... retirement, or into another world, it does not matter .. I will only say one thing ... Russians have a good memory and every beast sick with Russophobia will be asked for his crimes. It wasn't us who draped, and is it any wonder that the population, armed with almost pitchforks, rescued in front of the tanks ?! As for me, no ... They will give an order and we will reach Kiev in a week, if there is a man in the Kremlin, and not a drunkard like Yeltsin, who launders money in the war and deliberately ruins the victories of the Russian army. This I mean that Dill was left without air defense and in vain dissolves feathers ...
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 November 2020 10: 04
    +1
    Of course, Azerbaijan can spit on the Russian Federation, but he himself will drown in his spitting. Millions of Azerbaijanis live in the Russian Federation and it depends only on Azerbaijan how comfortable their stay in the Russian Federation will be. Putin is also not eternal, and Russophobia is tired of the Russian order, so the national policy of the Russian Federation may seriously change in the future. Turkey is not a sales market for Azerbaijani goods, well, except for oil, and you can't go far on it alone. Having spoiled relations with the Russian Federation, Azerbaijan will ruin its agriculture in the same way as Poland did it. It is not entirely clear, but the decline will be significant, and this will mean an increase in unemployment and a certain budget deficit, which will backfire on the welfare of the population as a whole.
    1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
      Rashid116 (Rashid) Yesterday, 00: 59
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      Hello, Sapsan. I read with interest your dialogue with Dubina, if only the confused aunt hadn't climbed ... No offense, do you really believe that Putin or Shoigu will give such an order? But what about everything they stole? They understand perfectly well, that at the slightest deviation they will take everything from them. For this they were allowed to steal so that these creatures did not jump off, they do not keep the loot here. Their children are also essentially hostages, well, they do not want to live in the best country in the world that their fathers are already building 30 years old, strange yes? I certainly understand, you are a warrior, I am a commerce, but we were all taught to count and I always look at the result. Well, in the bottom line after the reign of this pretzel for more than two decades, what do we see? near our borders? Who else from the small countries has not lifted their tail against Russia? Have we allies arrived? The majority (not to mention all) became richer and more confident in their future and the future of their children? I did not notice all this, but I noticed that the worse the country is, the more this rat is on TV with his rockets. I feel sick from his face, I switch the channel right away, I don’t even listen, because I know what he’s going to say. And, by the way, the Aizers don’t risk anything, they don’t sell their own, in the main, but they buy all this from our farmers for a penny. I personally stopped a truck in the area, we were on a fishing trip, the locals complained that they were almost squeezing their potatoes. We drove up, pulled three Indians out of the car, why are we asking for the crap? They were muttering something on their own at first, then when they realized, that will not pan out like in the army and after a blow to the liver they immediately remembered Russian. We were already drunk, so the question was immediately specific, where is the loot? They get some kind of jail. I say: what, I didn't eat right away? Okay, let's repeat, and so on until the result will be, we are at home, we are not in a hurry. He leads to the car, opens it, and there is water in the boxes. I told him: and what, did you see alcoholics in us, or what? They buy for a penny, they still get drunk. In short, they had to unload, and they unloaded everything. The vodka was left to the local, they say, almost all the village They walked. And this is not the 90s, but quite recently.
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      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) Yesterday, 10: 25
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        Hey. For all the disadvantages Shoigu, today, is the best head of the Ministry of Emergencies and the Minister of Defense who was with the Russian Federation after the collapse of the USSR. Putin ?! Yes, he clearly lacks courage. Perhaps not so much to him as to his entourage, with dachas in London. But the point is that if Putin leaves the death of 2000 Russian soldiers in Karabakh without a worthwhile answer (this is definitely not a ban on the import of tomatoes into the Russian Federation), his popularity both in the army and among the people will fall below the floor. Remember the film “Midshipmen forward” and the phrase of Mr. DeBrilli - “Paris loves the winners” Winners are loved everywhere, and the losers are hated and despised everywhere. Nikolai II lost two wars and ended badly. So, for Putin, this is not only a question of maintaining power, but, possibly, of life itself. It is foolish to hope that the police will take them away from the people. An ordinary riot police officer receives the wrong money to go to war against his own people without question, which is stupid in itself. Going against the majority means writing against the wind, and if the GDP merges with 2000 Russian soldiers, the majority will be against it. Russia can forgive much, but not the cowardice of the tsar. Something property, then money tend to run out, so it is better to save income in the Russian Federation than to cling to an account in Switzerland, which is finite in any case. Most of those who fled from Russia after the revolution simply died of hunger abroad. A person who has at least a drop of brain and education should remember and understand this. The daughter of VVP himself now lives in the Russian Federation. Iizer is at risk and risk is strong. And if they don't understand this, so much the worse for them. The more a nation is offended, the sooner a tough ruler will come to power there, and after the pogroms on ethnic grounds, in the former republics of the USSR, to which the alkanaft Yeltsin turned a blind eye, in the Russian Federation they can respond in the same way, and those who want to let them into their homes ,, red rooster '' and now more than enough. First of all, these are Russian refugees and their relatives, who will simply go for revenge, with the tacit consent of the new authorities in the Russian Federation. The people will not endure national humiliation forever. He can endure a lot, but not that. Well, we didn't even take vodka from our own people for small shoals. In the end, I will buy vodka, or whatever the bush wants, if I want and when I want. As for the missiles, this year we decided to actually build ships, which makes me happy, at least a little. It is ships, not boats. A contract has been signed for the construction of 8 multi-purpose corvettes 20380 and 2 more multi-purpose 20385. For all its shortcomings, one corvette 20385 is capable of sinking the entire Ukrainian fleet. This is not a lot, but better than nothing and better than RTOs, which can qualitatively replace only missile boats, but not frigates. In addition, a contract has been signed for the construction of 2 frigates 22350. It is better than buying Mistrals in France, because both jobs in the Russian Federation and any foreign car are a money sucker that sucks money from the Russian Federation for the purchase of spare parts and the equipment itself for all its operation. As for summer houses in London, now they began to talk about how to clear the government of foreign citizens and owners of London real estate.
        1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
          Rashid116 (Rashid) Yesterday, 16: 14
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          Perhaps you know better about shoigu. I have nothing to do with warriors. But it bothered me a little that his daughter built such a sickly career in those years. Well, personal experience does not convince me that the children of worthy people are the same as theirs. parents, but rather just the opposite. That's why I put my son after university on the dirtiest and hardest job at home. He should know how money is earned and through this appreciate his employees, and not endure their brain for every little thing. By the way, me These costs are reminiscent of the late USSR. Then we, too, the whole world could have been torn apart, but we were extinguished by our own traitors, not one cannon fired, well, who are we now? New types of weapons are good, of course, but are you sure they will give the order? But no, and all this will rot under the joyful rubbing of the sweaty hands of those who have grown fat like a pig on this. And in a new way ...
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) Yesterday, 16: 33
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            I'm not saying that he is all so ideal and I agree with him in everything, but he is objectively better than Ivanov, or the furniture maker Serdyukov. Only God can give guarantees, I am not him, but even after reading the articles on this sat, I come to the misli that I am not the only one who thinks that any inhabitant of the Kremlin today will be carried forward if he allows himself what Gorbachev allowed and Yeltsin. Wait and see. We can only hope for the best.
            1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
              Rashid116 (Rashid) Yesterday, 16: 56
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              Well, God forbid, as they say. Against the background of these creatures, he really compares favorably. There are very big doubts about "feet first". We hawali even more humiliations, no one sighed. We landed all freedom-loving and those who are ready to fight for themselves back in 90- Look, even on this site, most of them are terpily, although this one is even more or less adequate. On other people, the Zaputins will shake out such shnyaga, you will go nuts. There, even I, named Rashid, are Ukrainian and liberal)))
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) Yesterday, 20: 55
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                В 90-х Ельцин едва не доигрался до виселицы,его вовремя убрали и повторять его фокусы сегодня я бы никому не советовал. Армия очередного предательства не простит ,да и народ тоже. Сейчас людям пудрят мозг патриотизмом,но у народа быстро спадут розовые очки если слить 2000 миротворцев. Ну знаю и я таких,но ты пойми,что им до фени и РФ и Путин,они сейчас у кормушки и им хорошо,хватает на Кипр и Лексус с молодой тупой любовницей,а все прочее им не интересно и этот пир во время чумы их вполне устраивает. Другое дело что их меньшинство,сидят они в кабинетах с сонными рожами,много получают и сидят от безделья на сайтах. Ясен пень начнут скулить на любого,кто угрожает их нахождению у кормушки, только такие даже собственной охране много задолжали и чип чего они не жильцы,да и не воины,так,...ничто на понтах. Стрелять не умеют,думать и видеть дальше собственного носа тоже.
                1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
                  Rashid116 (Rashid) Today, 09: 18
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                  Сапсан,вспомни про ельцина.Там уже ходячий маразматик был,вообще не в адеквате и то сам ушел,а не скинули.Вспомни как эта унижала нашу страну,никто не пикнул.Так же и этого хоть тушкой,хоть чучелом будут держать до талого.Мне нравится,конечно,твоя вера в людей,но сам я уже все,сдулся.Так ворчу по-стариковски)).Я уже себе заработал на безбедную старость,производство отстроил,сейчас в процессе передачи всего этого своему сыну,и на рыбалку пузо греть))).Хотя еще много мог бы сделать для страны,но все,не стоит на это дело.Так,работаю по два-три часа в день,виляю как могу,чтобы этим крысам от меня как можно меньше досталось в виде налогов.Ну и так размотали несколько чинуш.Нарыли на них и кое-что забрали.Кстати,всем советую так делать,у кого есть возможность.Поверьте,они не пойдут в полицию,иначе присядут вместе с вами.Так что,парни,это ваша законная добыча,действуйте.
  • Vladimir Bikbulatov (Vladimir Bikbulatov) 16 November 2020 22: 45
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    Turkey wants something, but who will give it? Today, Turkey has no chance of military intervention.
  • pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
    pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 15: 50
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    Well, for example, you can deliver the latest weapons to the Kurds through Iran: machine guns, machine guns, mines, ATGMs, MANPADS, up to tanks. Turkey will immediately have something to do at home.
    1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
      Rashid116 (Rashid) Yesterday, 16: 19
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      Believe it yourself?