Russia's diplomatic blitzkrieg: Aliyev was forced to accept Putin's terms


Four days later, it is already possible to draw some conclusions from the peace treaty signed between Azerbaijan and Armenia on the night of November 10.


War to the bitter end


Epigraph: "The goal of any war is peace on the terms of a winner." (Karl von Clausewitz) ".

Evaluating the chronology of events, it is safe to say that on November 9, as of 17:00 Moscow time, no one was going to sign any peace treaty. It is clear that all wars end in peace. But as von Clausewitz rightly noted: "The war is fought until victory, period." And it is stupid, you know, to sit down to sign a peace treaty with the enemy one step away from complete victory. And it is not for nothing that in Baku, immediately after the news of the signing of the peace, voices were heard about Aliyev's betrayal of national interests. The funny thing is that similar voices were heard in Yerevan, but Pashinyan was already accused of this.

It is clear that peace negotiations were underway. Moscow tried three times to seat the opposing sides at the table, and three times the agreements were thwarted the very next day after signing. Baku was the initiator of the breakdown, because it was not at all for that on September 27 that he began the military campaign, in order to sit down at the negotiating table a week or two later. “War - as the already mentioned Clausewitz rightly noted - is a continuation policy by other means ". With the help of her, Aliyev tried to solve all his problems, which the Armenians had created for his father in 1992. And after the capture of Shushi, he was one step away from their decision. There were only a few days left before the fall of Stepanakert, after which the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh could be closed. That was not at all part of Moscow's plans (I’m not talking about Yerevan at all!), But she could not do anything about this fact - Yerevan completely lost the military campaign and then only peace shone on it on humiliating terms.

Downed Mi-24 factor


Epigraph: "A kind word and a colt can achieve much more than just a kind word" (Al Capone).

And then there was a Belli incident. At 17:30 Moscow time, over the territory of Armenia, adjacent to the NAR (Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic - an exclave of Azerbaijan on the territory of Armenia, bordering on Turkey), a Russian Mi-24 fire support helicopter, performing the task of escorting the 102nd convoy, is shot down from the ground from an unidentified MANPADS. Russian military base. In this case, two Russian pilots are killed (the crew commander, Mr. Yuri Ishchuk and the onboard technician, senior lt. Roman Fedin), the navigator managed to escape, with moderate injuries he was taken to the base. And all this is happening hundreds of kilometers from the war zone in Karabakh. After that, events began to develop with courier speed and not at all according to the scenario that the direct participants in the conflict expected.

While the command of the 102nd base was investigating and establishing the ownership of MANPADS, and we were wondering on the coffee grounds who it could be, lost in conjecture between the CIA, MI6, Armenians or Turks, Azerbaijan took the blame, which through the mouth of its Foreign Ministry apologized for what he had done. This happened already 3 hours after the crash, i.e. at 20:30 Moscow time.

That radically turned the situation around. After the destruction of its military aircraft, the Russian Federation is stuck one step away from entering the conflict on the side of Armenia, which diametrically changes the balance of power on the board. All versions about the possible organizers of this action are immediately poured in. Armenians disappear, Americans and British too. Only the Turks remain, who are interested in disrupting peace agreements and continuing the war to a victorious end, but not by the same methods. Why should they also fight with Russia when they have completely different plans for this conflict (more on these plans a little later).

We are used to always looking for a black cat in a dark room, even knowing for sure that it is not there. We are always looking for some hidden meaning behind these or those actions of politicians, military and other leaders of an international scale. And sometimes the truth lies on the surface, sometimes being the result of someone's negligence, bungling or generally stupid selfish interests, and we are looking for a second or third bottom, weaving or unraveling the threads of conspiracy conspiracies. As Charles Maurice de Talleyrand, a French politician and diplomat of the Bonaparte era who survived three emperors as foreign minister, said: "Whole nations would be horrified if they knew what small people rule over them." Remember Yeltsin, who slept drunk on his working visit to Ireland in 1994. Everybody wondered what it meant? I do not know what the Prime Minister of Ireland Albert Reynolds, who was meeting him at Shannon Airport, thought, but the scandal was international. Yeltsin then honestly admitted himself - he slept, but we understood everything.

And now one could suspect Turkey of the destruction of our Mi-24, which has long been registered in Nakhichevan, and which could be interested in disrupting peace negotiations, but, firstly, at the time of the attack there were no negotiations, and secondly, when would she manage to persuade Baku to take the blame for the destruction of the helicopter in 2 hours? Such things are not done so quickly. And why does Baku need it? It turns out the usual human factor, the excess of the performer. As a result, a possible pretext for war became a pretext for peace.

Putin instantly turned on the turbo mode, tightening all the screws (something, but he can do that!), And blackmailing Aliyev with a possible Belli incident, forced him to sign a peace treaty. And all this happened in a matter of hours. At 17:30 Moscow time, our helicopter is shot down, at 20:30 Baku takes the blame, and already at 23:30 the parties sign the armistice agreement with their signatures (I am writing a truce, because it costs nothing to violate this agreement, it is necessary only notify the opposite side 6 months before, and then the Russian Federation will not be able to help with anything, as it is written in the contract). Here it should be noted the excellent work of the office of Sergey Lavrov, who oversaw technical side of the process, and of course, the bulldog grip of Putin, who grabbed and never let go of his victim.

The victim, however, also wanted to mock the other side of the process, demanding the signing of the Act of surrender on the air, but here Putin did not allow such a public humiliation of the Armenians. True, the Armenians themselves in this action did not look like silent sheep and, as best they could, fought at least to preserve the honor of the uniform, which resulted in several editions of this agreement (more on this below), nevertheless, at 00:00 Moscow time On November 10, the agreement entered into force. That showed the world an unconditional and undeniable victory of Russian diplomacy (Russia, with difficulty, but retained its status of an arbitrator in the Caucasus).

The road to the Caspian


But Turkey has already encroached on this status, forcing Russia to move in the historical domain of its interests, bursting on the shoulders of Azerbaijan into the Russian backyard in the Transcaucasus. What interests did Turkey pursue here, helping Azerbaijan to restore its territorial integrity? What does she care about Nagorno-Karabakh? She wanted to spit on him. Here she was vitally interested in the road to the Caspian Sea. And it was precisely this that the Azerbaijanis broke through, having conquered the southern corridor bounded by Mountainous Karabakh from the north and the Iranian border from the south with Turkish help from the Armenians, thus reaching the border with Armenia.

After that, Stepanakert could not have been taken. On the contrary, he is needed as a hostage in order to force Yerevan to open the road to Nakhichevan through its territory for "enemies" and thus close the land transport corridor between Azerbaijan and Turkey. Whether after that they will become one country or not is no longer so important. I don't think during Aliyev's lifetime. But the Sultan will not give his corridor through Azerbaijan to the Caspian Sea, and from there to Central Asia and China. After which Turkey can quite rightly count on the status of not only a regional power. A textbook-worthy operation.

What did Yerevan manage to defend


Below I will give the text of the agreement, originally signed by three parties (RF, Azerbaijan and Armenia) and published in the press (the first was news agency "Sputnik Armenia"). But already in the afternoon of November 10 at 11:45 Moscow time, the same document appeared on the official website The Kremlin. The documents, however, were different. Moreover, in favor of the Armenian side. You will notice the difference yourself (the deleted text will be crossed out, and the newly appeared text will be typed in italics).

We, the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan I. G. Aliyev, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia N. V. Pashinyan and the President of the Russian Federation V. V. Putin, have declared the following:

1. A complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are announced from 00:00 hours Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, stop at their positions.

2. Aghdam region and the territories held by the Armenian Party in the Gazakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan shall be returned to the Azerbaijan Party returned to the Republic of Azerbaijan until November 20, 2020.

3. Along the line of contact in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in the amount of 1960 servicemen with small arms, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment.

4. The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The duration of the stay of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is 5 years with automatic extension for the next 5-year periods, if none of the Parties declares 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.

5. In order to increase the effectiveness of control over the implementation of the agreements by the Parties to the conflict, a peacekeeping center is being deployed to control the ceasefire.

6.The Republic of Armenia shall return the Kelbajar region to the Republic of Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020, and the Lachin region by December 1, 2020, while leaving behind... Lachin corridor (5 km wide), which will ensure the connection of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia and at the same time will not affect the city of Shusha, remains under the control of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation.

By agreement of the Parties, in the next three years, a plan for the construction of a new traffic route along the Lachin corridor will be determined, providing communication between Stepanakert Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, with the subsequent redeployment of the Russian peacekeeping contingent to guard this route.

The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of traffic along the Lachin corridor of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.

7. Internally displaced persons and refugees return to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas under the control of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.

8. There is an exchange of prisoners of war, hostages and other detained persons and bodies of the victims.

9. Unlocked all economic and transport links in the region. Republic of Armenia provides transport links guarantees the safety of transport communication between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Control over transport communication is carried out by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia.

By agreement of the Parties, the construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be provided.

As you can see, Yerevan managed to defend the Gazakh region and not transfer it to Azerbaijan. And the Russian Federation separately prescribed the withdrawal of Armenian troops from the Lachin corridor and the transfer of it under the control of its peacekeepers. Those. Armenians in this situation were, of course, in a losing position, but at least not wordless.

That's all for me. Peace and kindness to all!
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  1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
    Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 10: 42
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    ... There were only a few days left before the fall of Stepanakert, after which the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh could be closed. Which was not at all part of Moscow's plans ...

    No one asked Moscow and was not going to ask. Moscow's role in the conflict is purely negative. She did not defend an ally in the ODBK, our weapons turned out to be complete junk (it does not even roll against a Turkish one, let alone an Israeli one), allowed the Turks to the Caspian Sea, unblocked the road from Turkey to the Caspian (now in any case, if Armenia tries to close this road, then Azerbaijan and Turkey will jointly restore the status quo, and Moscow (Putin), as always, will be rubbed with tomatoes). The rights of our peacekeepers in Karabakh are bird rights, in five years they will be driven out of there. And Aliyev needs these five years to finally resolve the issue with kkarabakh, to clear it of the Armenians, now it is not very convenient to do, the international screeching will rise, and within five years the Armenians will voluntarily leave Karabakh.

    ... Which showed the world an unconditional and undeniable victory of Russian diplomacy (Russia, with difficulty, but retained its status as an arbitrator in the Caucasus) ...

    - author, you forgot to mention one more side, this is Turkey, or rather the Turkish Foreign Ministry. Indeed, the complete Victory of Turkish diplomacy - the corridor to the Caspian Sea - is forever, and the cost of peacekeepers and curses in the back is the RF, for five years, and maybe even earlier!

    ... Putin instantly turned on the turbo mode, tightening all the screws (something, he can do that!), And blackmailing Aliyev with a possible belli incident ...

    Putin can only rule the Constitution for himself and read the text from a piece of paper, he is no longer capable of anything else. What a blackmail of Azerbaijan, I would wipe it with tomatoes, as always!
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 16 November 2020 11: 10
      +4
      The repertoire is, as always, pretty monotonous, mostly about tomatoes ... are you allergic to them?
      1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
        Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 11: 15
        -2
        And in essence, besides "my tomatoes", there is nothing to cover, as I understand it?
        Ukraine, Belarus, from today Moldova (there is a pro-Romanian president), Armenia, are lost to the Russian Federation. And the author's Putin is tightening all the nuts, probably for a long time tore off all the threads.
        The more complete failures a bunker inmate has, the more such articles that oblige the worthless Putin.
        1. Vladimir Telnov Offline Vladimir Telnov
          Vladimir Telnov (Vladimir Telnov) 16 November 2020 11: 46
          +2
          One word is a club
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        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 16 November 2020 13: 53
          +6
          And in essence, besides "my tomatoes", there is nothing to cover, as I understand it?

          Why then? It's just that you have more sane about tomatoes, the rest is generally difficult to comment on.

          Ukraine, Belarus, from today Moldova (there is a pro-Romanian president), Armenia, are lost to the Russian Federation.

          What suddenly happened in Ukraine? It seems that the situation has not changed for a long time, why is the howl raised now? And what result do you expect there? The coming to power of an "analogue" of Lukashenka or Dodon? What would come to parades and say that we are allies? And did Russia restore his economy for this?

          Belarus, so nothing has changed over the past 25 years. What kind of defeat are you talking about?
          Moldavia? Another multi-vector "doldon" lost the elections. Or do you think it is pro-Russian? If so, why? Because he came to the parade? So Lukashenka was there too, by and large they are not very different from each other. At the same time, you consider Dodon's departure a defeat, as well as the fact that Lukashenko is not leaving. How it fits in your "multi-vector" head I don't understand at all request
          Why is Armenia lost? What happened? What are you talking about? belay

          And the author's Putin is tightening all the nuts, probably for a long time tore all the threads.
          The more complete failures a bunker inmate has, the more such articles that oblige the worthless Putin.

          Nuts, studs ... I don't see any specific facts and real justification for your hysteria smile
          1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
            Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 13: 07
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            Putin's squeals and hysteria, it is necessary to somehow justify the brilliant failures of the mnogokhodovochnik. They (they put it), the multi-vector presidents of neighboring states are to blame for everything, and not Putin's policy, from whom yesterday's allies are turning their backs. The latter, Armenia, quietly began to sail to NATO all the shores, because oligarchic Russia cannot offer Armenia anything, even protect it within the framework of the CSTO.
            Pro-Russian politicians change the population of neighboring countries to European ones, they understand that in a year or two the Russian economy will go to the bottom and no weakening of the ruble, even up to 200, will change the situation. But Putin's people will grunt about the hand of the State Department in neighboring countries and the wild attractiveness of the "Russian world."
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 18 November 2020 15: 33
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              The latter, Armenia, quietly began to sail to NATO all the shores, because oligarchic Russia cannot offer Armenia anything, even protect it within the framework of the CSTO.

              1) Rare Armenia, Georgia, Moldova (underline the necessary) will swim to the middle of the Dnieper of the NATO shores.
              2) How does "oligarchic" Russia differ from NATO members? Is there socialism everywhere?
              3) Not a single foreign soldier set foot on the land of Armenia, from what are you going to defend it? By the way, what do the rest of the CSTO members think about this? Lukashenka in a hurry to help?

              Pro-Russian politicians change the population of neighboring countries to European ones, they understand that in a year or two the Russian economy will go to the bottom and no weakening of the ruble, even up to 200, will change the situation.

              Are you not following the directives of the Washington Regional Committee? belay Where will the economy go? Her Obamka tore to shreds long ago laughing

              But Putin's people will grunt about the hand of the State Department in neighboring countries and the wild attractiveness of the "Russian world."

              For the inhabitants of Karabakh, the question is different, either there is a Russian soldier there and they live, or he is not there, just as there are no Armenians in Karabakh, that is, there are none at all, not one. In my opinion, in this case, the first option is much preferable for them. The Russian world is better than the Turkish massacre.
              As for the "hand of the State Department," judging by the latest events, it has dried up. There are almost more of them at the embassy in Yerevan than our peacekeepers. That's just no sense from them, and the French with all sorts of Germans limited themselves to "air kisses".
              In general, do not fool people with all sorts of nonsense and go to the druid, in my opinion you have cockroaches in the hollow, let them poison them. hi
              1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 19: 17
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                ..1) Rare Armenia, Georgia, Moldova (underline the necessary) will swim to the middle of the Dnieper of the NATO shores ..

                - I agree, they will - they will not, but the trend is in NATO, not in the ODBK.

                ..2) How does "oligarchic" Russia differ from NATO members? Is there socialism everywhere? ..

                - I also agree. A dispute between two noble landowners who stole the mowing from whom. Therefore, all this hype that NATO is about to attack, to distract the population from the bankrupt regime, to switch attention from internal problems.

                ..3) Not a single foreign soldier has set foot on the land of Armenia, from what are you going to defend it? By the way, what do the rest of the CSTO members think about this? Is Lukashenka in a hurry to help? ..

                - and I agree with that. The ODBK is the same dead PR structure as the customs union and the Eurasian Economic Community. Putin cannot create anything worthwhile except for PR. But the CIS countries are beginning to understand this or have understood this long ago, and therefore they are fleeing from the ODBK to NATO, and from the Customs Union to the EU. It is not the hand of the State Department that controls them, the attraction of integration with the EU, not with the Russian world.

                ... For the residents of Karabakh, the question is different, either there is a Russian soldier there and they live, or he is not there, just like there are no Armenians in Karabakh, that is, there is not one at all ...

                - they will remain, well, maybe 20-30 families, the rest will leave. And no Russian soldier will protect them. There is no economic basis for their life. You can't survive on a natural household. And the Russian soldier will be driven out of there before five years and nothing can be done, the guts are thin.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 18 November 2020 20: 05
                  +1
                  I agree, they will - they won't, but the trend is in NATO, not in the ODBK.

                  What do you agree with? What's the trend? Nobody else from the former "Soviet" will be accepted there.

                  also agree. A dispute between two noble landowners who stole the mowing from whom.

                  I don’t know which ear you are talking about, Ternopil folklore is not familiar to me. If you yourself do not see the difference, why are you carrying this nonsense about the unattractiveness of "oligarchic" Russia and the wonderful "West"?

                  Therefore, all this hype that NATO is about to attack, to distract the population from the bankrupt regime, to switch attention from internal problems.

                  What's the hype? On the contrary, all of Europe is intimidated, attacks by Russians are expected from day to day, Ukrainians and the Balts do so three times a day. But the bases are new to Russia, they are pulling up and not vice versa.

                  and I agree with that. The ODBK is the same dead PR structure as the customs union and the Eurasian Economic Community.

                  The list is not complete, NATO and the EU forgot to add.

                  But the CIS countries are beginning to understand this or have understood this long ago, and therefore they are fleeing from the ODBK to NATO, and from the Customs Union to the EU. It is not the hand of the State Department that controls them, the attraction of integration with the EU, not with the Russian world.

                  Are you reading a training manual from 20 years ago? Who fled and where during this time? Who has been taken to the EU or NATO? would you still go to the druid for prevention repeat

                  they will remain, well, maybe 20-30 families, the rest will leave. And no Russian soldier will protect them. There is no economic basis for their life. You can't survive on a natural household.

                  Refugees are already returning to Karabakh, so far a little, but only a few days have passed and there are not 20-30 families of them.

                  https://www.1tv.ru/8a5e4934-ee01-4ecb-be8a-9a31e2567878

                  And the Russian soldier will be driven out of there before five years and nothing can be done, the guts are thin.

                  "Racer" has not grown, you are only strong at war with civilians in the Donbass and you can do nothing.
                  1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 21: 49
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                    ..No more of the former "Soviet" will be accepted there ....

                    Neither you nor I can know whether the CIS countries will join NATO or not. But the fact that they will go to NATO and not to the ODBK is a trend! Moldova (though it is not in the ODBK), Belarus without Lukashenka will go to NATO.

                    ..What is the hype? On the contrary, all of Europe is intimidated, attacks by Russians are expected from day to day, Ukrainians and the Balts do so three times a day. But the bases are new to Russia, it is they who pull up and not vice versa ...

                    Europe is busy with business, trying to save citizens and the economy from Covid, about what you wrote, the domestic TV tells you in your ears. No one in Europe, well, with the exception of Internet channels created with Moscow's money, is not afraid of the threat from Moscow. They are logical people, if Moscow needs to sell resources to Europe for its physical survival, then Moscow will not destroy its breadwinner. And about the Russian attack on Europe, this is for you from Russian TV. Can you talk about the bases, what do they tighten up more vigorously?
                    In Estonia: one "base" infantry battalion and 20 tanks, in Latvia one base: no tanks, 1400 infantry. Strengths! Federal channels scare you with these "bases", let us rally around Putin, enemies are all around.

                    .. The list is not complete, NATO and the EU forgot to add ... Are you reading out a manual from 20 years ago? Who fled and where during this time? Who has been taken to the EU or NATO? you would still go to the druid for prevention ..

                    - here is a list of countries that have applied for partnership in NATO: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova and Serbia. Somehow NATO does not fit with the "dead structure", yes, some of these countries are members of the ODBK. If NATO decides to accept them, then they will jump out of the ODBK and only saw them.

                    ... Refugees are already returning to Karabakh, so far a little, but only a few days have passed and there are not 20-30 families of them ...

                    - it's rubbish to pick up and who has nowhere to stay in Armenia itself. Does the economy influence what and to whom the Armenians of NK will sell potatoes to the peacekeepers?

                    .. "Racer" has not grown, you are only strong at war with civilians in the Donbass and you can do nothing ...

                    - the other side says the same thing that the DNR militia is fighting only with the Ukrainian peacekeepers, and their "chase" has not grown against the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 18 November 2020 22: 54
                      +2
                      You and I can't knowwhether the CIS countries will accept NATO or not. But the fact that they will go to NATO and not to the ODBK is a trend! Moldova (though it is not in the ODBK), Belarus without Lukashenka will go to NATO.

                      Don't you find a contradiction? We cannot know, but they will definitely come .... Is this your belief in the omnipotent West? Hopefully and lace panties are available?

                      Europe is busy with business, trying to save citizens and the economy from Covid, about what you wrote, the domestic TV tells you in your ears.

                      And how it turns out? smile Have you looked at the map for a long time?

                      https://yandex.ru/maps/covid19?ll=92.039346%2C56.494700&z=4

                      France overtakes in the number of cases, England, Spain, Italy have not gone far, but in the number of deaths ahead, and in fact they have a smaller population. Maybe they'd better not try and save? You probably have a different TV, shows everything about permogues. winked

                      No one in Europe, well, with the exception of Internet channels created with Moscow money, is not afraid of the threat from Moscow. They are logical people, if Moscow needs to sell resources to Europe for its physical survival, then Moscow will not destroy its breadwinner. And about the Russian attack on Europe, this is for you from Russian TV.

                      Oh, this omnipotent hand of the Kremlin, reached out to everything .. Here is one example.

                      Experts warn: Russia is preparing for regional wars in Europe, although no one is provoking it, the German newspaper Welt reported on Sunday and asked the question: how realistic is this nightmare scenario?

                      https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-49005976

                      Poland and the Baltic states can count on NATO military assistance if Russia attacks them. By deploying troops in these countries, the Alliance is sending "a strong signal to Russia," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in an interview with the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita on Tuesday, December 3. "If Poland and the Baltic states are attacked, the entire alliance will respond," Stoltenberg said.

                      This is DW (link is long). Open any Polish or Baltic publications, you won't be mistaken, there is everything about this topic. In general, either you are stupid or you are lying. I don’t know which is better.

                      Can you talk about the bases, what do they tighten up more vigorously?

                      Explore at your leisure hi


                      here is a list of countries that have applied for partnership in NATO: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova and Serbia. Somehow NATO does not fit with the "dead structure", yes, some of these countries are members of the ODBK. If NATO decides to accept them, then they will jump out of the ODBK and only saw them.

                      This is probably difficult for farmers, I will explain. Partnership for Peace is NATO's bilateral cooperation program with non-NATO member states. This is not an application to join NATO. Everything else is just your crazy fantasies.

                      it is junk to pick up and who has nowhere to stay in Armenia itself. Does the economy influence what and to whom the Armenians of NK will sell potatoes to the peacekeepers?

                      They even have something to sell, your svidomye potatoes have long been transported from abroad.

                      The other side says the same thing that the DPR police are fighting only with the Ukrainian civilians, and their "chase" has not grown against the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

                      Lying again. Those who served in Debaltsevo or Ilovaisk can tell a lot about boilers. In a real battle, punishers die out quickly.
            2. Evgeny Popov Offline Evgeny Popov
              Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) 19 November 2020 20: 59
              0
              Back in 14, Obama spanked his lips about the economy torn to shreds ...
        3. Dear sofa expert. 17 November 2020 20: 39
          +3
          And in essence, besides "my tomatoes", there is nothing to cover, as I understand it?

          There is a question according to your statement:

          Victory of Turkish diplomacy - a corridor to the Caspian Sea - forever ...

          Turkey has no common border with Azerbaijan. What corridor are you talking about?

          The rights of our peacekeepers in Karabakh are bird rights, in five years they will be driven out of there.

          The peacekeepers, as you say, will remain there for at least the next five years, which means that the territory has been and remains disputable. This means that Azerbaijan also has bird rights there.

          And Aliyev needs these five years to finally resolve the issue with kkarabakh, to clear it of Armenians, now it is not very convenient to do it,

          It will be inconvenient for them to do this for all five years. Otherwise, what are the Russian peacekeepers for?

          the international screech will rise,

          You have correctly noted this. It is already rising.

          And within five years the Armenians will voluntarily leave Karabakh.

          Most likely, over these five years, the Armenians will draw the right conclusions, improve relations with Russia, build up their military potential and take back Karabakh.

          I would wipe myself with tomatoes, as always!

          So all the same .. except for tomatoes, do you have any adequate arguments?)
        4. Dear sofa expert. 17 November 2020 21: 04
          +4
          Ukraine, Belarus, from today Moldova (there is a pro-Romanian president), Armenia, are lost to the Russian Federation.

          Is Ukraine lost? ... Crimea was returned in return, Donbass is on its way, ... so gradually all the rest of the primordially Russian lands will return home.
          And there, and Poland will catch up with its historical territories.
          And what will be left of the “lost Ukraine” there?

          Is Moldova lost? Do you mean the loss in the future, of its statehood in favor of Romania?
          Well, what will be, is inevitable. The artificially created state will return back to the "Romanian kingdom".
          For that, Pridnestrovie will have a real chance to return home - to Russia.

          Armenia? The Armenians had a chance to turn on their brains and regain the lost disposition of the Russians.

          Belarus? No comments.)
          1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
            Cudgel (Dubina) 18 November 2020 13: 30
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            ... is Ukraine lost? ... Crimea was returned in return, Donbass is on the way, ...

            - yes, a very profitable exchange, lousy, subsidized, waterless Crimea for the whole of Ukraine, this is Victory.
            Donbass in the Russian Federation, you don't watch TV at all in Kashenka. Even the poor fellow Putin realized that the seamy side of the "Russian world" turned out to be so vile and dirty that Donbass slowly began to move towards Ukraine (Europe), there are still all sorts of individuals who will not receive amnesty in Ukraine, so they cling to the current status of "gray zone "Donbass.

            ...Armenia? The Armenians had a chance to turn on their brains and regain the lost disposition of the Russians ...

            - and what will our location give them? Strengthen the army? So we cannot provide them with modern weapons, we do not have it ourselves, there are cartoons and howls about "having no analogues", but in fact old stuff is still from the conscientious arsenals. Diplomatic and or military assistance, don't be ridiculous. Lavrov will come up with the 141st excuse so as not to quarrel with Turkey and Azerbaijan over Armenia.
            20 years of brilliant rule and the Russian Federation has influence strictly along the perimeter of its borders.
            1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
              pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 16: 18
              0
              Well, the careless owner, Ukraine, and the pearl of the Crimea can become subsidized. And in fact, now all of Ukraine, thanks to the efforts of Biden's democrats and their masters from transnational corporations, has become subsidized and survives only thanks to IMF loans. The land has already been laid. And the residents of Donbass sent Ukraine with its empty pans and gay parades and live well, despite constant shelling. Quite calmly, people go to work in Russia and no one keeps them there for "slaves".
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    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 16 November 2020 12: 51
      +2
      "I know two infinite things - the Universe and human stupidity. However, I have doubts about the Universe ..."

      Albert Einstein

      Uncle, have you read the collective security agreement? Shaw someone attacked Armenia? I didn't even notice! Azerbaijan restored its territorial integrity - it has a legal right! Even Armenia itself did not recognize the NKR, so what exactly do you want from the Russian Federation ?!
      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 November 2020 13: 08
        0
        After reading your article, you can make an unambiguous conclusion that absolutely all parties have gotten something from this agreement. Only Russia remained deprived.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 16 November 2020 13: 18
          +2
          I appreciate your sense of humor, especially regarding Armenia. Russia has maintained the status quo and strengthened its position as an arbitrator in the region. Quite enough, while not a single Russian soldier fired a single shot there - KPI 100%

          https://topcor.ru/17343-pozornyj-mir-chto-vyigrali-i-proigrali-storony-konflikta-v-karabahe.html

          - follow the link and open the section "Russia"
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 November 2020 15: 10
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            Armenia, thanks to the Treaty, avoided a complete catastrophe. It costs a lot. In practical terms, Russia's "achievements" are dubious and are clearly inferior in scale to those of Turkey.
            Among other things (NATO in the Caucasus), the opportunity opened up (in connection with the corridor to Nakhichevan) of laying a cross-border trade route bypassing the territory of Russia was not mentioned.
      2. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
        Cudgel (Dubina) 16 November 2020 13: 33
        -5
        The Russian Federation has such a low reputation that it cannot influence events in the CIS countries in any way. The war of Azerbaijan for Karabakh was not profitable for us, it was beneficial for us to be in suspension, in which both countries, Armenia and Azerbaijan, could not join NATO. Plus our role in the Minsk Group. And so we could not prevent this war. Moreover, we were unable to prevent the complete defeat of the NCO army, which is closely related to the army of our last ally in the Caucasus. Well, yes, now it is convenient to hide behind the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and the CSTO agreement.
        What are the conclusions. The Russian Federation cannot protect its allies. The Russian Federation does not have a weapon capable of stopping the blitzkrieg, countries that have Western, Israeli, Turkish weapons. Any CIS country will be able to decide in its favor the issue of territorial integrity by regaining the rebellious territories (Transnistria, Donbass, South Ossetia), if behind this country there is such an ally as Turkey, not to mention the Americans or NATO.
      3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 16 November 2020 20: 00
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        Greetings Wolf! And he said that you "move out" ... On the topic - this commentator is generally not able to read anything from what is NOT written in the manual (after all, he is not paid for this "reading matter"!). The main thing for him is to cry out - "Russia has betrayed the Armenians !!!" And whether it is true or not - it does not matter, the main thing is to throw in and shout this LIE as loudly as possible. Maybe someone will believe! He acts according to the rules of his Goebbels teachers - "To believe a lie, it must be MONSTER!" And that to him EVERYWHERE here.
        1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 16: 12
          +1
          Well, this is empty nonsense in the style of "officers' daughters" with distortion of the truth and falsification of facts. In fact, we have a final end to the 30-year inter-ethnic conflict between Azerbaijanis and Armenians. This is an indisputable victory for Russian diplomacy. And the presence of 2000 armed contingent plus a base in Gyumri will completely discourage all kinds of adventurers from organizing a new massacre. Moreover, the entire region is perfectly shot from both the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea. GDP is well done as always. And the Americans again flew into "large sums".
          1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
            Cudgel (Dubina) 21 November 2020 16: 28
            -2
            If either side wants these 2000 double basses, she will shoot like a sparrow. And it will not be clear what force fired or laid the mine, Turks, Armenians, Azerbaijanis. Therefore, they will behave quieter than grass.
            What will the base in Gyumri do? A scenario was predicted when the Azeibarjan would cross the border with Armenia. So according to the scenario, the entire Gyumri retreated to Iran. Gyumri is for the moral support of Armenia, and not for a real war. Like 2000 peacekeepers, the presence is indicated and no more and still sit still as quiet as a mouse.
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  2. istrem Offline istrem
    istrem (alexsandr istrem) 16 November 2020 15: 09
    -5
    all this is the intrigues of agents of the "war party" as deputies of fat, zatulin (whose dad served in gadruda .. spoke angrily, bespectacled at the pollitsa with the voice of a squealing pig that they cut their throat ... on the show "60 minutes" INadequate ALONE .. spits Ukrainian deputy Goncharenko..One one stand for dropping hydrochloric acid and they themselves are burned
    Putin + Aliyev And, they are always true in their words. There are no such people in the world ... And not knowing the cuisine ...
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 16 November 2020 20: 02
      +1
      Damn, what nonsense! wassat
  3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 16 November 2020 20: 54
    -5
    I don't respect Putin. But here, everything was done beautifully and quickly. After all, he can when he wants. The main thing is the result!
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 17 November 2020 13: 18
      -3
      After all, he can when he wants. The main thing is the result! ,,
      And what is the result? The Turks have become the sovereign patrons of Azerbaijan, their troops (most likely) will be on the opposite side, the abreks have the opportunity to kill our soldiers. If we could have prevented these hostilities, this would be the result, and so another failure.
  4. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 17 November 2020 00: 51
    -2
    Russia has lost more than it gained following the results of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. And the main reason, I think, is the indecision, even the permanent fearfulness (in foreign policy) of President Putin.