Yakov Kedmi: By letting the Turks into Karabakh, Russia achieved a more important goal


Militarypolitical expert, former head of the Israeli special service "Nativ" Yakov Kedmi analyzed the reasons and consequences of the conclusion of a trilateral agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh by the leaders of Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. He presented his conclusions during the broadcast of the Israeli Internet TV channel ITON.TV.


Signed agreement on Karabakh stopped Azerbaijani tanks on the way to Yerevan

- the expert considers.

He is confident that by letting the Turks into Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia has achieved a more important goal. Even if after the incident the influence of Ankara increases slightly, but at the same time the influence of Washington and Europe on the Transcaucasus will significantly decrease, this will be quite acceptable for Moscow. He noted that the US authority has already begun to decline in the region, but the Americans still control certain forces in Armenia.

Europe, led by this carapet (an allusion to French President Emmanuel Macron - ed.), Who walks in de Gaulle's boots, that's it. European influence declined, American influence declined, Russian influence increased. It became clear to everyone who the main force was. Is it bad for Russia that someone in Ataturk's place is boasting? This makes it easier to remove the US from the Caucasus

- the expert is sure.

According to Kedmi, Washington is now trying to influence Armenia through its embassy in Yerevan. He drew attention to the fact that the main demand of the “peaceful protesters” in the Armenian capital is to remove the Russian peacekeepers from Nagorno-Karabakh.

Whom to send? American Marines? Are they ready to go? Or a French Foreign Legion? Or Saakashvili's forces? Who will protect you? Do you have any brains?

- the expert wondered.

Kedmi also recalled that the United States declared Russia an enemy. This leaves a certain imprint on everything that happens in the world.

She wants (Russia - ed.) - she does not want to, but she will have to play this role. And one of the duties of Russia as an enemy of the United States is not to allow the strengthening of American influence in the Transcaucasus. And if this will increase the influence of the Turks by 5%, and by 70% will hit the influence of the United States, then Russia, of course, will do it.

- The expert added.


Note that a few days after the Azerbaijani army launched a "counter-offensive" operation in Nagorno-Karabakh, Kedmi saidthat Russia in this conflict must achieve two goals. The first is to preserve the territorial integrity of Armenia (Nagorno-Karabakh is not part of it). The second is to prevent Turkey from placing its military bases on the territory of Azerbaijan.
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  1. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2020 11: 04
    +2
    The tanks did not go to Yerevan. The protesters in Armenia (for the most part) are not going to remove the peacekeepers.

    https://www.pravda.ru/world/1550677-georgia/
  2. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 14 November 2020 12: 26
    -3
    Even if after the incident, Ankara's influence slightly increases, but at the same time the influence of Washington and Europe on the Transcaucasus will significantly decrease ...
    Actually, the influence of Ankara is precisely the indirect influence of Great Britain.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 14 November 2020 13: 18
      +5
      Former Prime Minister of Armenia Hrant Bagratyan stated that Nikol Pashinyan is controlled by British intelligence and its new chief, Richard Moore. However, according to him, Pashinyan is only a successor to the cause of Armenian President Armen Sarkissian, who is friendly with British Prince Charles and is “the first swallow of a color revolution,” Bagratyan said. He stressed that Russia is Armenia's only ally, but it will not fight instead of Armenia.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2020 08: 15
      +2
      Israeli experts - they are
  3. Rusa Offline Rusa
    Rusa 14 November 2020 12: 44
    +2
    Western "partners" want to push the Russian Federation and Turkey against each other.
    In this case, the offensive of the SAR and VKS in Idlib is inevitable.
  4. arija Offline arija
    arija (arija) 14 November 2020 13: 37
    -3
    I assess the results of the war in Karabakh by two parameters: 1. From the video of how the Azerbaijani army using Turkish and Israeli weapons on the air as a shooting range destroys armored vehicles and air defense of Armenia. 2. For two hundred years, Russia and the USSR did not allow the Turks to come close to the Caucasus. They are there today. With which I congratulate you all.
    1. meandr51 Offline meandr51
      meandr51 (Andrei) 16 November 2020 16: 54
      0
      These are just your wet dreams. There are no Turks in marketable quantities. And it won't.
  5. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 14 November 2020 14: 11
    -6
    Yakov Kedmi: By letting the Turks into Karabakh, Russia achieved a more important goal

    - Yes, this Kedmi has been carrying some crap lately ...

    Kedmi said that Russia must achieve two goals in this conflict. The first is to preserve the territorial integrity of Armenia (Nagorno-Karabakh is not part of it).

    - Who, in general, encroaches on the territorial integrity of impoverished Armenia ???

    The second is to prevent Turkey from placing its military bases on the territory of Azerbaijan.

    - And how can Russia suddenly "prevent Turkey from placing its military bases on the territory of Azerbaijan" ??? - What can she do ???
    - Allows Azerbaijan to shoot down a couple more Russian helicopters with impunity; and then he will quickly listen to the apology of Azerbaijan; and then Azerbaijan, on account of payment, will promise not to place military bases on the territory of Azerbaijan for some time ... - so what ???
    - Well, okay ... - promised Azerbaijan; and then several months passed ... - Well, there was a tense situation in Karabakh ... - there was a shootout in Karabakh between our soldiers and unknown attackers ... - there were casualties ... - troops ... - and asked for help from Turkey ... - And here it is ... - a joint Russian-Turkish patrol in Karabakh. (Syria is resting) ... - appears as if by magic ... - And the Turkish military bases in Azerbaijan after all this ... is a logical self-evident fact ... - Who will prevent ???
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 14 November 2020 16: 22
      -7
      Quote: gorenina91
      Lately this Kedmi has been carrying some crap more and more ...

      Correction - he was always talking complete nonsense, it's just that it's clearer today.

      Quote: gorenina91
      who generally encroaches on the territorial integrity of impoverished Armenia

      Naturally, no one attempted to kill, the goal of the Azerbaijanis is to return their occupied territories and they achieved this goal.
  6. Khakim Kuchmezov_2 (Tom Kuchmezova) 14 November 2020 15: 30
    -2
    Yakov refuses to say. It is not the time for Turkey and Russia to sort things out and remember history. It is time to form a new world, a new axis Ankara-Moscow, because only this union of two Eurasian regional powers will make it possible to force their interests to be taken into account. Having formed the Eurasian Axis, they will become the core of a new world center, the contours of which are already visible and the Germans were the first to perk up there. Then the Moscow-Berlin-Ankara Axis will become the main geopolitical force in the world.
    1. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
      Many_ways_point 14 November 2020 20: 26
      -9
      It seems that in some fool, the patients got hold of the chief doctor's computer and went online.
    2. EMMM Offline EMMM
      EMMM 14 November 2020 22: 55
      0
      Everything would be correct, but there is a "small BUT", there is a real force that does not need the appearance of such axes ...
  7. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 14 November 2020 20: 07
    +3
    So far, everything seems to be in the black: the Karabakh people stayed at home (under the canopy of friendly bayonets), there is a connection with the "mainland" (under the canopy of military bayonets). Azerbaijan received ground communication with Nakhichevan (under the canopy of our border guards). Turkey got awesome drone ads. Question. And what did we get? Downed helicopter and dead pilots (plus one wounded). Plus the cost of peacekeepers ...
    Is Turkey a direct road for the transfer of military and equipment to the Caspian? Two Armenian borders, yeah! It would be necessary, they would have thrown it through Georgia long ago ...
    I will gladly listen to opponents ...
    Respectfully all, Peter
    1. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2020 20: 55
      +3
      And with what to argue? Everything is correctly noted. Especially correctly noted about Turkey's access to the Caspian Sea through two Armenian borders and under the control of the border guards of the Russian Federation. The Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway has been operating for a long time. And it is constantly being modernized.
      But now, after the war and the results obtained. By analogy with the well-known books, "Armenia's Lost Opportunities". In the 90s, they had a great chance to consolidate everything for a long time. Almost forever. What prevented Armenia from insisting on the presence of Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh in the mid-90s? And even after April 2016 they could do it. Or at least try. And then the situation would look like a mirror. But for some reason they didn't. Least of all, I think it's stupid. I was counting on something. Here's what exactly?
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 14 November 2020 21: 19
        0
        Chok guzel ...))) If I remember correctly ... Gee-gee !!!
        1. Bakht Online Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2020 22: 01
          0
          Almost correct. Anyway, it's understandable.
      2. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 November 2020 22: 55
        -5
        What prevented Armenia from insisting on the presence of Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh in the mid-90s?

        Well, at least such an insignificant fact that the Russian armed forces in the 1992-1994 Karabakh war fought against the Armenians on the side of Azerbaijan.
        1. Bakht Online Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 08: 01
          0
          The answer is wrong. This was a very short period of time and depended on the situation in Moscow. And then Russia provided maximum military assistance to Armenia.
          Otherwise, we will have to admit that in the 1992-94 war. Armenia defeated the Russian armed forces.
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 11: 58
            -1
            During the summer offensive of Azerbaijani troops in 1992, the Russian 328th Airborne Guards Regiment under the command of Vladimir Shamanov fought on the Azerbaijani side. Later, the ex-Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan Rahim Gaziev, known for his pro-Russian position, linked the participation of the paratroopers with a direct order from the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Grachev: “Thanks to my good relations with Grachev, we received a lot in the division of property of the Soviet troops (who left the country in just three months) more than envisaged. Don't forget about the Agderin operation, which was carried out by Russian paratroopers. The Armenians were slapped well there. But it was Grachev who gave the order to help us. Do not forget that then we liberated 52% of the territory of the former NKAO. And this is thanks to the support of the Russian troops.

            1) What exactly is "wrong" here?
            2) What is the "maximum military assistance provided by Russia to Armenia"?
            3) Armenia actually won a victory in the 1992-1994 war over all its opponents, incl. and over Russia.
            1. Bakht Online Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 12: 09
              0
              You read this on Wikipedia? I do not deny that Russian troops took part in the hostilities. With both litters. And it depended on the political situation. I also know that the Russian troops stopped on orders from Moscow. 1992 is the overthrow of Mutallibov and the coming to power of Elchibey. That is, the Popular Front.

              The offensive was led by the Russian military, and, surprising as it sounds, it was also stopped by the Russians. In early July, the Karabakh Armenians faced the threat of defeat.

              the Armenian authorities persuaded the Russian military to intervene and help them turn the tide at the front. Raised into the air, Russian assault helicopters launched a series of strikes that left the Azerbaijani offensive drowning. As a result, it turned out that the Russian military at some point fought against each other. The Armenian official stressed that this was the only time in the entire Karabakh war when the Russian military actively intervened in the hostilities to help the Armenian army.
              1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 14: 48
                -5
                And after that, someone else dares to condemn the Armenians who do not want to have anything to do with such a fickle and unreliable partner as Russia!
                1. Seal Offline Seal
                  Seal (Sergey Petrovich) 16 November 2020 13: 24
                  +1
                  If the Armenians, at the direction of the Fashington Regional Committee, decided to crawl into our "best friends and allies" - this does not mean at all that we should remain suckers.
  8. Semyon Ivanov Offline Semyon Ivanov
    Semyon Ivanov (Semyon Ivanov) 14 November 2020 22: 36
    +1
    The main requirement is to remove Pashinyan! But pro-American NGOs are trying to substitute questions by slipping "peacekeepers". Pashinyan grabbed the chair like a rat, although his hands are covered in Armenian blood up to the elbows, like Aliyev and Erdogan! And it does not go away! I am even ready to go through a civil war.

    Meanwhile, Armenian troops were not allowed into Shushi, which could break the ridge and completely change the course of the war by exasperating the most combat-ready units of the Azeri-Turks, who had accumulated in a trap without supplies in Shushi and could not stay there.

    There was clearly a drain of Karabakh, even Pashinyan himself is only a pawn there, like Armen Sargsyan, an English agent. But the Turks turned out to be overly bloodthirsty. And the Armenians did not retreat, did not skimp. There are many victims - this is not forgiven. I had to openly open a corridor along the border with Iran. No counterattacks were made there, although it was the Azeri-Turks who were trapped there.
  9. Uneven Offline Uneven
    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 14 November 2020 22: 49
    -1
    And who and how can prevent the creation of a Turkish military base on the territory of Azerbaijan? Could it be that Russian peacekeepers are hostages in a Karabakh bottle?
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 15 November 2020 05: 46
      -2
      Yes, the position of the brigade of Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh, frankly, is unenviable ...
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 08: 04
        -1
        Is someone going to attack them? What is the position of the Russian base in Gyumri? There the border with Turkey is right next to it. So what? Turkey attacked them? Or is he terribly afraid of the Armenian army? It has already been stated here that the Armenian army defeated the "Russian armed forces" in the first war. And he can handle the Turkish one with one left.
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 14: 52
          -3
          Russian "peacekeepers" in Karabakh will play the role of hostages and scapegoats. Need to chew?
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 14: 54
            +1
            Of course, you need to "chew". A brigade of contract soldiers, equipped and trained according to the standards of the Airborne Forces and even more. Are these "hostages" with the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces? I do not at all envy those who take such "hostages". Otherwise, the Russian Armed Forces will have to be recognized as non-combatant.
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 19: 03
              -1
              1) Russian peacekeepers on the territory of Karabakh are surrounded from all sides by, to put it mildly, not friendly states. From the point of view of the terrain, their positions are extremely vulnerable. Here, even non-regular armed formations will be able to inflict tangible damage on the "peacekeepers". And there will be no one to ask ... 2) By the way, can you tell me where and when did the Russian Armed Forces demonstrate their "combat capability" in the confrontation with the enemy, which has a sufficient number of modern aviation and air defense? 3) Can you remember at least one case when the RF Armed Forces openly dared to attack any of the NATO countries?
            2. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter (Gleb) 15 November 2020 20: 55
              +1
              I do not at all envy those who take such "hostages".

              What for? They must ensure the orderly withdrawal of Armenians from the region, as well as prevent lawlessness in the establishment of Azerbaijani power structures. And when everything settles down (suddenly, maybe), then "hardships and deprivations" on the ground can be created without resorting to hostilities. Five years will fly by like five moments, if they have not done anything worthwhile in thirty, then they will certainly not be in time in five. The Turks managed, so to speak, to confidently place their boots in the Caucasus, now you cannot easily smoke them from there. Even if three more nuclear power plants are built on credit and six diplomats are "substituted", not counting everything else. But of course, "if something", then mediocre surrendered positions can be easily won back by the tactical heroism of a simple soldier. In the meantime, God forbid that this mission would cost minimal losses.
        2. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 15 November 2020 15: 08
          -1
          The position of the Russian peacekeepers is unenviable because both sides, delicately speaking, do not have good feelings towards them. The Armenians believe that the Russians betrayed them and doomed them to defeat, the Azerbaijanis consider the Russians to be allies of the hated Armenians.
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 15: 12
            +2
            Surely there are such statements. But the main trend on both sides is that the presence of Russian troops is necessary. This is what I have been writing about for the last month. This is what the Armenians urgently need (preservation of the Armenian population) and Azerbaijan (return of the occupied regions).
            It is quite possible that there will be some incidents (and not necessarily at all). But in general, no one will encroach on their presence within the next five years. The State of Azerbaijan and the State of Armenia welcome their presence.
            What about incidents? They happen all over the world and not necessarily in overseas bases. Are there no fatal incidents in Russian garrisons on Russian territory?
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 15 November 2020 15: 22
              -3
              Quote: Bakht
              This is what the Armenians urgently need (preservation of the Armenian population) and Azerbaijan (return of the occupied regions).

              I can't believe that in the absence of Russian paratroopers the Azerbaijanis would have rushed to exterminate the Armenian population of Karabakh. And the Azerbaijani army has already regained the occupied regions.
              1. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 15: 27
                +1
                You can guess whether or not you rushed. But the fact that the Armenians are already returning to Stepanakert is broadcasted on Russian television. 5 years is a long time. Everything will settle down.
          2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
            Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 November 2020 10: 27
            +1
            In an attack on Russian peacekeepers, anyone who wants it can get it, as in Georgia.
        3. andrew42 Offline andrew42
          andrew42 (Andrei) 21 November 2020 13: 41
          +1
          Bakht will probably have to agree with the Russophobes that the position of the Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh is a dangerous situation, potentially dangerous. The Turks will not calm down, they will continue to goat. Common people will not calm down either - they will stir up trouble in Armenia, continue to drag it away from Russia. Of course, this does not mean that Russia needs to retreat and yield. You need to get up there, you need to! But we must be aware that there is no "victory" for Russia there, there is nothing to celebrate, everything is still ahead, and we need to be ready and decisive for the most severe measures. Geopolitically, Russia has been tied to yet another point of tension. I just can't get rid of the thought that a solid American-British game is being modeled behind the screen of the Turkish "fronda".
      2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 15 November 2020 09: 03
        -1
        Yes, the position of the brigade of Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh, frankly, is unenviable ...

        - Yes ... personally, no matter how much I try to enlighten the local "couch patriots" in my comments ... - They don't care about everything ... - Give them only ... - "Eternal memory"; "Glory to the lost" and so on ...
        - And what is in real life today ... - Motorized infantry, driven into the mountains, where there is not even water; not covered and protected by anything or anyone ... - No barracks; nor, at least somehow equipped ... - location; no corresponding premises and facilities ... - and all this on the eve of the coming winter ... - All airfields where our aircraft deliver everything they need ... - are very far from the place where our troops are located ... - And for helicopters mountains ... - this is also ... - far from the best route option ... - All of our servicemen will have to live in tents ... far from the supply bases ... - And all the "couch patriots" and I want to savor the new version of "Heroes of Shipka"; where our troops in the century before last fought not very successfully for the independence of the Bulgarians against the same Turkey ... - Well, well ...
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 15 November 2020 15: 15
          -3
          The biggest question that arises in connection with the dispatch of a Russian brigade to Karabakh is what is the use of Russia from the presence of its military personnel in the mountains of Azerbaijan?
    2. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 08: 04
      -1
      Nothing gets in the way. Except for the little things. Why does Azerbaijan need it? What will be the purpose of this base? And what have the "hostages" to do with it?
      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 12: 04
        -3
        First of all, Turkey needs it. Therefore, it will be necessary, because (unlike the Kremlin), Ankara has been successfully implementing all of its plans in the last couple of decades.
        1. Bakht Online Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 12: 10
          +2
          Wait and see.
          I still see the absolute conviction on this website that Azerbaijan is a puppet of Turkey. Already tired of refuting. You won't believe it anyway.
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 14: 53
            -3
            In this case, it is not at all necessary to be a "puppet". Common interests are enough.
            1. Bakht Online Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 14: 57
              +2
              Turkey and Azerbaijan have common interests for 30 years already. No less. But nevertheless, I don't see the bases yet. But common interests do not at all mean a base. Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran have common interests in the area. Do not confuse warm and soft.
              Turkey's base in Azerbaijan can appear only in one case. If there is a threat to the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. While this threat is stopped by the Russian brigade.
              1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 19: 11
                -1
                1) If there is a need, there will be bases. No one will ask Russia. Turkey solves its problems there, which are much larger than the "territorial integrity of Azerbaijan."
                2) Russian "peacekeepers" have different tasks. I will be surprised if they can be mastered without great losses ...
          2. Bitter Offline Bitter
            Bitter (Gleb) 15 November 2020 21: 12
            -1
            Azerbaijan is Turkey's puppet. Already tired of refuting.

            Probably Turkey so skillfully plays on "common" strings and embraces these same communities so carefully that Azerbaijan no longer notices this. And the Russians and other representatives on this site have a different view, so to speak, a side view.
          3. andrew42 Offline andrew42
            andrew42 (Andrei) 21 November 2020 14: 00
            +1
            So far, Azerbaijan is not Turkey's puppet. But! I would like to be sure that Azerbaijan WILL NOT BECOME a puppet of Turkey, but there is no such confidence. I believe that the ruling elite of Azerbaijan itself does not have this confidence. The dynamics of the process is evident - Turkey is recognized as an "elder brother", and this "elder brother" will sooner or later force the younger one to live by his own (Turkish) rules. The process has been launched, and even the sudden (if personally pressed) desire of Aliyev and the ruling clan to abruptly put aside the pro-Turkish policy will not change anything. In the person of Turkey, Azerbaijan got in touch with the revanchist and arsonist of the Middle East. Good luck with such a fellow traveler! All that remains is to wish Azerbaijan to jump off the cart in time, so as not to fall asleep and get a scimitar in the throat and robbery of junk.
            1. Bakht Online Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) Yesterday, 09: 46
              0
              I would like to know who is the "Middle East arsonist"?
              I have said a hundred times that I do not like Erdogan's policies. But in this particular case, the role of Turkey is too exaggerated. As well as Turkey's influence on Azerbaijan's policy
    3. Seal Offline Seal
      Seal (Sergey Petrovich) 16 November 2020 13: 26
      +1
      If Azerbaijan lost, then a NATO base would definitely appear in the Caspian. And if you won, and even with our support, then you can forget about the NATO bases in Azerbaijan.
  10. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 15 November 2020 11: 29
    +2
    I don't understand why everyone considers the corridor to Nakhichevan as a bonus to Turkey.
    In fact, it is necessary (first of all) directly to Azerbaijan. But also Russia and even Armenia.
    The Turks have almost devoured this Nakhichevan. The appearance of the corridor will greatly increase the influence of Azerbaijan on this exclave. Armenia is also not interested in the presence of a territory nearby, where the influence and presence of Turkey is constantly increasing.
    Well, for Russia ...
    The helicopter was shot down from the territory of Nakhichevan. I never believe that this is an initiative of the Azerbaijani military. Aliyev pretended that they were his military. And Putin pretended that he believed Aliyev, like this, immediately and recklessly. Because, if not, it is necessary to officially deal with Turkey. What the provocation was calculated for. And here - Azarbaydzhan is to blame, but he apologizes and "it won't be like this again." The conflict did not escalate.
    A pro-Turkish group in Azerbaijan signed a former singer to shit on relations between Russia and Azerbaijan. And it seems that this group is so strong that Aliyev not only could not force the Foreign Ministry to disavow the ambassador's words, but he himself could not do it. If he said, it would be necessary to make organizational conclusions. And he will not be able to punish the ambassador, Erdogan's guys are in the Foreign Ministry. Therefore, he instructed his man (an official from the presidential administration) to voice his attitude to the incident. And ours again pretended that everything was in order. In order not to complicate the life of Aliyev. It is already hard for him in such a mess.
    And the influence on Nakhichevan must be restored, this is the ancestral land of the Aliyevs, their Motherland. By taking control of Nakhichevan, Aliyev will strengthen his influence in the country as a whole. And he will deal with the Erdogan in his rear.
    He cannot fail to understand that his friendship with Recep must end. Everything that he could get from Erdogan, he got. If he did not understand his fate in Veliky Turan, then Putin explained to him.
    Further shura-moles with the Turks are extremely dangerous both for Azerbaijan in general and for Aliyev (and his clan) personally.
    And, to restore control of Nakhichevan and expel the Turks from there, this corridor is badly needed by Azerbaijan, Russia, Armenia.
    1. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 12: 13
      -1
      In Azerbaijan, it is necessary not to save Nakhichevan, but to save Azerbaijan from Nakhichevan.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 15 November 2020 14: 29
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        That is, give Nakhichevan to Turkey?
        1. Bakht Online Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 14: 32
          0
          Of course not. For many years in Azerbaijan, Nakhchivans have been at the helm ... Even in Soviet times, it was better to be a Nakhichevan than a Baku citizen ...
          There is some joke in this. But exactly the share.
          Another recent joke:

          Vasif Talibov does not give Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan. Moreover, it will not give it up to Turkey.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 15 November 2020 14: 58
            +3
            Vasif Talibov does not give Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan. Moreover, it will not give it up to Turkey.

            This show-off at the household level. The level of the average housewife.
            Who will ask him, this Talibov? Turkey has already climbed there for the most "don't spoil".
            Neither Russia nor Iran needs such a supplement to Turkey. Aliyev has no other choice but to establish "revolutionary order" there. And if he needs help from the Russian Federation and even from Iran, he will receive it.
            To begin with, bring in reliable troops there. There, everything is needed, under a plausible pretext to tie a person 10 - 15. Then clean up the power structures from their supporters.
            The troops of the Russian Federation are already there, if there are 2 special forces among the 000 peacekeepers, no one will notice. Aliyev will not do this on his own, there will be leaks. And then the Azerbaijani Armed Forces will be able to take control of the territory.
            Aliyev must show himself as a worthy son of an NKVD and KGB veteran. wink
            1. Bakht Online Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 15: 01
              +1
              This is all at the level of the average housewife. What troops, where to enter. Do you seriously think that Nakhichevan is under Turkish control?
              It's good that it's just me here. Don't tell anyone from Azerbaijan.
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 15 November 2020 15: 17
                +1
                You contradict yourself. If Talibov distances himself from the central government, he has no resources to resist Turkey's influence. Aliyev himself is not very good at it.
                1. Bakht Online Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 15: 34
                  +2
                  I'm telling you that this is a joke. But in every joke there is only a grain of a joke. In Baku, speaking in plebeian language, the "Nakhichevan clan" rules. In any case, the number of representatives of Nakhichevan in the power structures of Baku is disproportionately large. I just do not want to give the names and positions of specific persons. But believe me, there is no danger. Nakhichevan has always been isolated. When H. Aliyev was subjected to obstruction in Baku, he left for his homeland in Nakhichevan. And from there he returned to Baku. All (without exception) power structures were then occupied by people from Nakhichevan.
                  In general, this is an internal showdown within the Azerbaijani elite. But Nakhichevan will not go under Turkey. This is currently out of the question. And for 5-10 years ahead, I do not make forecasts.
    2. Seal Offline Seal
      Seal (Sergey Petrovich) 16 November 2020 13: 29
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      The helicopter was shot down from the territory of Nakhichevan. I never believe that this is an initiative of the Azerbaijani military. Aliyev pretended that they were his military. And Putin pretended that he believed Aliyev, like this, immediately and recklessly. Because, if not, it is necessary to officially deal with Turkey. What the ARMENIAN provocation was designed for. And here - Azerbaijan is to blame, but he asks for an apology and "it won't be like this again." The conflict did not escalate. And Pashinyan was forced to sign the agreements dictated to him. Otherwise, it would have been announced that our helicopter was shot down as a result of an Armenian provocation with all the sad consequences for Armenia.
  11. Isa targim Offline Isa targim
    Isa targim (Isa Targim) 15 November 2020 11: 42
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    Whoever wrote or said what Azerbaijan returned and forever
  12. Sergey Freeman Offline Sergey Freeman
    Sergey Freeman (Sergey Freeman) 15 November 2020 14: 03
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    Everyone should remember the obvious thing: Azerbaijan and Turkey are our strategic partners in this region. The chess game by Russia has been performed flawlessly. We received a metered strengthening of Turkey's positions, supported by our actions Azerbaijan as a strategic partner in the Caspian region, weakened the Americans and the British, received strategic dividends in Syria in these auctions, showed the entire CSTO what they are without Russia, and what it will cost them an alliance with the States ... Kedmi was right and made a clever assessment of what happened.
    1. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2020 14: 34
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      The most interesting thing that I have seen in recent days.
      This is a nice union of views of "Russian patriots" and Western political scientists. Both sides are unanimously opposed to the signed agreement. What is it for?
    2. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 15 November 2020 15: 10
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      1) Does it matter that Turkey is a NATO member, and its goals are diametrically opposed to those of Russia? Could you give at least one example of the coincidence of the strategic interests of Russia and Turkey?
      2) In what way and in what way did "we weaken the Americans and the British"?
      3) What kind of "strategic dividends in Syria" received Russia? In what bidding and with whom? (Taking into account the complete failure of the Russian Syrian company).
      4) What exactly did Russia show to the whole CSTO by introducing its hostages into the territory of Karabakh?
      5)

      The chess game by Russia was played flawlessly.

      Judging by the results of the "game", these chess players are only suitable for playing checkers in "Chapaev" (giveaway) ...
      1. _AMUHb_ Online _AMUHb_
        _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 15 November 2020 16: 12
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        V. I. Lenin said:

        One () can ask so many questions that a thousand sages cannot answer.

        With regards to the "hostages" they will tear everyone apart, it is possible that the "inner-Mkadovites" will have a hard time if the "snot starts to chew" in case of an aggravation. interest is simple turkey "the European pipe is reeling." dividends are not the goal when the adversaries cut throats and mess with the "democratic tune" and finances (and advertising is the engine of trade). dkb - the slip is still that ... modernization still moderates the word "()" it is obviously wrong, but without the meaning of the expression is lost ... it's time to tie a post here
      2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 15 November 2020 17: 08
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        Judging by the results of the "game", these chess players are only suitable for playing checkers in "Chapaev" (giveaway) ...

        - Yes, of course ... - Personally, I have already spoken about this in several of my comments ...
        - Russia drove its motorized infantry into the mountains ... - Hurray !!! - "New Heroes of Shipka" ... - as in the century before last, when the Russian army very clumsily defended the independence of Bulgaria ...; which has always betrayed Russia ... - Well, but here instead of Bulgaria ... - Armenia ... - Well, the enemies ... - the enemies remained the same ... - this is Turkey ...
        - What's next ??? - And then provocations against our troops will begin ... - this is very easy to do ... -tk. our troops there are very vulnerable and are in very unfavorable conditions ... - our guys will start dying ... - And Turkey will begin, "at the request" of Azerbaijan, to deploy its bases in Azerbaijan ...
        - Yes, the Aliyev clan is against these Turkish bases on the territory of Azerbaijan; but Aliyev will no longer be able to do anything; since he himself made a big mistake, that he so publicly caved in under the Turks ... - and this "victory" in Karabakh will still come back to him ... - Now the Turks will begin to undermine our equipment on the roads, shoot at our soldiers (who and what can do against snipers in the mountains) ... - And Aliyev will have to answer for all this ...
        - And Erdogan is now a national hero in Azerbaijan ... - and Aliyev is already in second place ... - Erdogan succeeded ... - But Russia itself voluntarily got into a trap ... - as in Afghanistan; like in Syria ... - and now Karabakh ...
        - My plus to you ...
        1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
          Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 November 2020 10: 36
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          - Now the Turks will begin to undermine our equipment on the roads, shoot at our soldiers (who and what can do against snipers in the mountains) ... - And Aliyev will have to answer for all this ...

          Well, if need be, Aliyev can answer by cleansing the pro-Turkish beys. I think he has the lists.
        2. andrew42 Offline andrew42
          andrew42 (Andrei) 21 November 2020 14: 14
          +1
          Pleases your sober assessment. Bravura cries about some kind of "victory" of Russia (over whom? Over what?) Got pretty sick. The problem is that Russia had no other moves, they did what they had to do, and now it remains to watch "what will happen" and keep the powder dry. Comparing with a chess game, Russia successfully broke through to the opponent's position with a single "knight", temporarily upsetting other people's pieces (Turkish, Armenian, Azerbaijani, American-British). What's next? You cannot win a game with one "knight", although you can do it 3-4 moves ahead. We hope for the "protection of Alekhine", suddenly it will work.
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) Yesterday, 09: 50
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            The comparison with chess is interesting, but not always true. The results show that the Russian and Azerbaijani pieces on the board have a clear advantage. Turkish to a draw. Western and Armenian are simply taken off the board.
            And this situation has been fixed for at least five years. And in our reality, five years is almost an eternity.
  13. Rus Offline Rus
    Rus 15 November 2020 14: 32
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    This expert is constantly looking for pluses in everything and everywhere ...
  14. amart Offline amart
    amart (A M) 15 November 2020 19: 06
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    It seems that he is Russia in the person of Putin, trolls with such fables.
  15. marcosBrazil Offline marcosBrazil
    marcosBrazil (marco aurelio) 15 November 2020 20: 00
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    I really like this site, it is serious and talks a lot about geopolitics.
  16. art573 Offline art573
    art573 (Artyom Vladimirovich Yarovikov) 16 November 2020 00: 02
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    A lot is said in the discussion about the United States and Great Britain. But during this conflict they did not take any real action on their own (physically). And political and diplomatic actions were limited to a dozen statements. But Turkey and Russia were noted in this conflict. One gets the impression that this region is of no interest to either the United States or Great Britain and Western Europe in general.
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 16 November 2020 12: 16
      +2
      A lot is said in the discussion about the United States and Great Britain. But during this conflict they did not take any real action on their own (physically). And political and diplomatic actions were limited to a dozen statements. But Turkey and Russia were noted in this conflict. One gets the impression that this region is not interesting to either the United States or Great Britain and Western Europe in general.

      - Yes, no ... -they just act according to the clever "principle of SDV" (devour each other); and then we'll see ... - Really ... - why should they get into these showdowns and spend their own money ... - When time passes and they will be asked for help ... - and they will just ride on a white horse ... - and the whole audience will love and welcome them ...
      - Russia has been at war with Turkey all its life ... - but to the point !!! ... - And France and Britain ruled Turkey and Russia all their lives with the help of a "remote control" ... (and very rarely got into the showdown themselves .. - not counting the Crimean War and WWI) ... - And today everything is repeated ...
      1. andrew42 Offline andrew42
        andrew42 (Andrei) 21 November 2020 14: 22
        +2
        And again I agree with you. Erdogan's Turkey was apparently unleashed in due time. And this is no accident. At one time, Adolf was also allowed to restore "justice for the Germans", starting with the Sudetenland, then the "Nazi European Union", and then Drang nach Osten. And Hitler, being a contractor, also considered himself an "independent" player. Erdogan and Co. are at the beginning of a similar path.
  17. leodal Offline leodal
    leodal (Leonid) 16 November 2020 02: 03
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    Calling "Nativ" a special service is the same as calling garbage trucks a special transport Formally correct, but people think: "Wow!" And you say "Liaison Bureau" - no chic, no cloak, no dagger ...
  18. Seal Offline Seal
    Seal (Sergey Petrovich) 16 November 2020 13: 33
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    Quote: Uneven
    1) Does it matter that Turkey is a NATO member, and its goals are diametrically opposed to those of Russia? Could you give at least one example of the coincidence of the strategic interests of Russia and Turkey?

    The main coincidence of the strategic interests of Turkey and Russia is that we (and they) want a peaceful, good neighborhood between our countries, we want the development of trade, tourism, active cooperation, whenever possible, in the largest possible number of sectors of the economy, politics, culture, sports, etc. etc.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 16 November 2020 14: 11
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      If you have to choose and there will be an opportunity, then the Turks will certainly prefer strengthening at the expense of Russian territories and spheres of influence, and all of the above will recede into the background ...
  19. qazwsx1209 Offline qazwsx1209
    qazwsx1209 (Boris Tsikinovsky) 17 November 2020 05: 36
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    Russia has begun to make too many mistakes in the international arena, which is why all the former republics of the USSR, and the whole world, love us so much. Stupefied or what? Or fat? The grandmothers that they picked up close their eyes.