Russia needs to draw the right conclusions: what is the secret of the unlimited influence of the United States in the world


If the XX century changed the planet Earth beyond recognition, then the XXI century will make it even stronger. Actually, I already did. We live in a unique era when an incredible amount of the most diverse information is available to absolutely everyone. One has only to acquire the Internet - and you're done: you can learn everything about everything. Well, or almost everything, almost everything.


To the Internet, which connected different parts of the world with a common network connection, it is necessary to add transport opportunities that were unthinkable even a hundred years ago. "Around the world in 80 days" by today's standards is a very long time. For such a period of time, the "round the world" can only be made on a ship that goes on an economical course.

In short, life is accelerating and distances are shrinking. And all this leads to the formation of a truly global cultural space, gradually erasing the differences between peoples, cultures and civilizations. And this is not an exaggeration, which is easy to prove with a very simple example.

Let's turn on the imagination and imagine standing next to each other the average inhabitants of different countries of about the same income. Let's say a Chinese, Russian, French (or other European), Egyptian, Hispanic, and a black resident, say, South Africa. Have you presented? Now let's stop looking at racial differences and try to determine which of them is who.

How can this be done? "Yes, according to clothes" - and asks for the tongue, but ... here we, most likely, will not work. Because people began to dress about the same: jeans, T-shirts, shirts, sweaters, boots, sneakers. At official events - a suit with a tie. Only the color and cut vary, but not the essence.

If you rewind time a hundred years ago - not such a long time for history - then it was not difficult to distinguish a Russian even from a Frenchman, looking at his clothes. Now, people wear their national costumes only on special occasions, most often at fancy-dress performances. And this example concerns not only clothing alone, but culture as a whole.

What is culture? In order not to bore the reader with complex definitions, we will answer as follows. Life presents each of us with the need to answer a number of fundamental questions. By responding to them, we form our own way of thinking and behavior. It is the same with entire nations and civilizations. And culture, at its core, is just a set of answers to these very "damned" questions. They are simply given not by a single person, but by the whole people.

These answers depend on many factors: geography, specific political setting and much more. And these answers in the life of peoples also affect a lot. Yes, practically on all aspects of social life, down to such seemingly insignificant trifles as the cut of clothes. And the fact that people all over the world began to dress in a similar way gives reason to assert that they also began to think in a similar way. Is this good or bad?

To begin with, this is to a certain extent an objective phenomenon caused by scientific and technological progress, which connected the globe by railroads, sea routes, air routes, the Internet, etc. Is progress bad or good? You might as well wonder if a knife is good or bad. After all, they can cut both meat for shashlik and neighbors who love to listen to loud music at night. Much the same is the case with progress. It all depends on how we use his achievements.

However, it is not only the success of science and equipment... Let's take a deeper look at the question. It's no secret that for many centuries the heart of scientific progress has been beating mainly in Europe. Which allowed the Europeans to begin an unprecedented colonial expansion in relation to the rest of the world. So, the interpenetration of cultures of different peoples and civilizations began just then. After all, it is obvious that it is the influence of Western civilization that is decisive in the formation of that very global cultural field, which we talked about at the beginning. Since this very global culture bears the generic features of Western culture.

Over time, countries and peoples began to gradually free themselves from the direct yoke of the Europeans, and since then, in order to catch up with them in development, the former colonies, willy-nilly, have been forced to copy the advanced achievements of their enslavers. Those countries who were lucky to preserve freedom were able to defend it precisely because they adopted the European experience. The most striking examples here can be called Russia, which followed this path even under Peter I, and Japan with its “Meiji revolution”.

As a matter of fact, the “cultural globalization” we are talking about began back then, and already modern technical means only accelerate and deepen this process. Which, for all its objectivity, is fraught with a threat to each of the countries that are not part of Western civilization. The threat of breaking under the influence of alien influence and losing your face.

To date, the United States has advanced the farthest in imposing its cultural values ​​on other countries and peoples. Here they understood in time what opportunities for expanding their own influence are provided by the inertia of imitation of the West, which has not been eliminated by the rest of the world until now. And it will not be an exaggeration to say that the main factor in the victory over the Soviet Union was the most powerful cultural expansion, which our leadership could not oppose.

Who thought under Reagan that we would break the USSR? But some 8 years have passed! We just took the dissidents to pay and that's it

- Not without pride declared in the end the American historian, philosopher, former consultant to the National Security Council and the US State Department, Michael Ledin.

If our dissidents had no real piety for the "leaders of the free world", the Americans would not have been able to win them over to their side, at least not so massively. As a matter of fact, the representatives of the current “fifth column” are just as selflessly working to destroy their own country in all sorts of programs of Western NGOs for the same reason. Feeding a sincere reverence for "City on a Hill" and "Enlightened Europe", which they do not even think to hide.

The United States achieved such loyalty from our grant-eaters precisely due to the very cultural expansion that it launched against the USSR, and against the rest of the world. Having no claims to the talent of the same "Beatles", it should be noted that their and not only their popularity among Soviet youth became one of the stones that dumped "the great, mighty Soviet Union".

Yes, 30 years ago we lost the battle for the minds of people, but this war is not over yet. Now we have experience, and we have every chance of standing and winning. You just need to be able to draw the right conclusions.

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  1. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
    Ser sash (Ser Sash) 8 November 2020 09: 04
    +3
    Stupidity. Imitation of the West is based not on the pursuit of culture and freedom, but on the pursuit of their standard of living.
    The union was betrayed not for rock and gay pride parades, but for 30 varieties of sausages and jeans.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 8 November 2020 14: 50
      +2
      The Union began to betray Corn in 1953 ... China immediately understood this and told us. He who has ears, let him hear. But our "party" elite (smoothly flowing into the "elita" of the garbage type of modernity) could not hear and see this simply by definition. And sausage, etc. - just a consequence ...
  2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 8 November 2020 09: 19
    -1
    - But why write so much ... - You can, after all, be shorter ...
    - It's just that they haven't loved the Americans all their lives (and some hated them) ... - and at the same time (not loving and hating) ... - they still wanted to be like the Americans ... - to be like them ... - And Russians were not loved (and many hated); but no one wanted to be Russian ... -I mean ... -except the Russians themselves (not counting those who also want to become Americans) ...
    - Well .., take even the Indians themselves, tens of millions of whom were destroyed by the Americans (Yankees) ... -The Indians hated the Americans (Yankees); but at the same time they themselves wanted to become the same ... - But the Indians did not want to become Russian ... - The Indians saw Russians in Alaska; and in California; and in other places in the USA ... - and no one wanted to become like the Russians ... - The Indians saw people with beards down to the navel, who simply subservient to those standing above; saw how they bowed at the feet of the voivode (or some boss) ...: "Our father, you are our breadwinner, benefactor ... !!!" ... - these were Russians ... - And so the Russians themselves positioned ... - The Russians climbed everywhere with "their kindness"; climbed to help the same Indians; but they never received respect ... - And even more ... - the Indians simply despised the Russians ... and did not want to be them ... - And what a bloody massacre the Indians inflicted on the Russians in the same Alaska .. - just they cut out all the Russians ... - such are the things ... - But the Indians tried to imitate and resemble the Americans ...
    -What far to go ... -Take at least the war in Vietnam ... -What did the Americans get up there ... -So what ??? - Yes, the Vietnamese love the Americans so much today that one might think that the Americans did not destroy millions of Vietnamese in the most savage ways ... - And today the Vietnamese believe that they shouldn't have fought the Americans at all ... - They say that today there would be many of they would be fluent in English and everything would be much better with them ... - And they don't even want to remember Russians ... - the overwhelming majority of Vietnamese simply don't like Russians and don't even want to talk about us (Russians). .. - Like this...
    - And today Russia continues to pester the whole world with its help and is constantly trying to do good to the whole world ...
    - But nobody loves Russia (to say the least) ... - These are Russian pies; with which Russia is constantly trying to feed the whole world; and from which the whole world constantly turns away ...
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 8 November 2020 14: 51
      +2
      Madam! Don't talk nonsense - it hurts all the same ... Besides, you have already written this somewhere. Tautology...
  3. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 8 November 2020 10: 16
    +4
    If you rewind time a hundred years ago - not such a long time for history - then it was not difficult to distinguish a Russian even from a Frenchman, looking at his clothes. Now, people wear their national costumes only on special occasions, most often at fancy-dress performances. And this example concerns not only clothing alone, but culture as a whole.

    In my opinion, the "unification" of culture is exaggerated, the "melting pot" does not work. And clothes are not the main thing here. You can dress anyone and anything, but assimilation does not occur. Here they are the new cultured French.

    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 November 2020 10: 40
      -7
      Dadada in Russia is completely different

      https://yandex.ru/turbo/tsargrad.tv/s/news/vseh-russkih-vygnat-tolpa-migrantov-nabrosilas-na-policiju-v-moskve-o-chjom-krichali-gosti_271255
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 8 November 2020 11: 26
        +8
        Dadada in Russia is completely different

        I did not say that it is better in Russia, although probably in vain, Better yes In any case, our teachers do not cut their heads. But it doesn't matter to you, right? The main thing is to insert a snout about our "loneliness and wretchedness".
        As I understand it, you have nothing to say in essence? So another bunch in a bowl of flour.
        By the way, how do you assess the US elections? Will you also say that we are not better? Or are you not allowed to talk on these topics? smile
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 November 2020 15: 55
          -3
          Dadada We don't want it like in Paris ?!

          Quote: 123
          I didn’t say that it’s better in Russia, although probably in vain, Better In any case, teachers don’t cut their heads.

          Yes Yes Yes. Teachers are not being cut, four-year-old girls, Russian military and British engineers are being cut. But this is not at all the same as in France.

          Quote: 123
          But it doesn't matter to you, right? The main thing is to insert a snout about our "loneliness and wretchedness".

          Why are you talking nonsense? People who see "orphanhood and wretchedness" are simply pissed off, but they do not notice exactly such phenomena in their homeland.

          Quote: 123
          As I understand it, you have nothing to say in essence?

          Was there any point in your comment? Is it real?

          Quote: 123
          So another bunch in a bowl of flour.

          Something you degrade. Earlier, I used you as an example as a person capable of leading reasoned, interesting and mutually respectful discussion. Now what, a bowl of flour? Eh. You become like a respected 321.

          Quote: 123
          By the way, how do you assess the US elections?

          And what about the elections? They, in my opinion, every time so. What Trump says there, well, it's not from a big mind.

          Quote: 123
          Will you also say that we are not better?

          Are you laughing

          Quote: 123
          Or are you not allowed to talk on these topics?

          Look, I always thought you were a smart person, but when I read such nonsense, it starts to seem to me that I am not good at understanding people.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 8 November 2020 16: 27
            +5
            Dadada We don't want it like in Paris ?!

            Do you want to?

            Yes Yes Yes. Teachers are not being cut, four-year-old girls, Russian military and British engineers are being cut. But this is not at all the same as in France.

            And the details?

            Why are you talking nonsense? People who see "orphanhood and wretchedness" are simply pissed off, but they do not notice exactly such phenomena in their homeland.

            Actually, I was talking about the phenomenon itself on a global scale, the French are just an example, and you should definitely focus on Russia. If something is bad, then you consider it possible to savor local realities, and if something is good, then Western.

            Was there any point in your comment? Is it real?

            If they didn't see the essence, they would pass silently by winked

            And what about the elections? They, in my opinion, every time so. What Trump says there, well, it's not from a big mind.

            That is, "dead souls and postal stuffing" is normal for you? Of course, this is the USA laughing For you, everything is by definition perfect. Liberd cannot be poisoned smile

            Look, I always thought you were a smart person, but when I read such nonsense, it starts to seem to me that I am not good at understanding people.

            Nonsense? Reread your previous paragraph. Everything is so with them .... You simply cannot look critically at their reality.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 9 November 2020 01: 37
              -4
              Quote: 123
              Do you want to?

              I have not been to Paris, I was in Nice. Nice is a pretty decent city, clean green. If my dear Peter would become the same clean and green, yes I want.

              Quote: 123
              And the details?

              Banned on Google? It happens. Dial in "Sputnik"
              "The murder of Anastasia Meshcheryakova"
              "Murder of Russian servicemen in the village of Tukhchar"
              "The Murder of British Engineers in Chechnya"
              Well, as a bonus

              https://ria.ru/20200217/1564869255.html

              But this, of course, is not the same as in France.

              Quote: 123
              Actually, I was talking about the phenomenon itself on a global scale, the French are just an example, and you should definitely focus on Russia.

              Do you want to say that the Russian Federation is part of this global phenomenon, but it is unpleasant for you to talk about it and you are focusing on France? Ok, everyone has their own fad.

              Quote: 123
              If something is bad, then you consider it possible to savor local realities, and if something is good, then Western.

              Are you even talking to me? Why are you thinking of something for me?

              Quote: 123
              If they didn't see the essence, they would pass silently by

              Come on, the old (or rather ancient) song about the decaying west. This is your faith, what's the point of arguing about faith?

              Quote: 123
              That is, "dead souls and postal stuffing" is normal for you? Of course, this is the USA. For you there, by definition, everything is perfect. Liberd cannot be poisoned

              I, unlike you, do not follow the American elections. Well, look, one candidate accused his rivals of falsification. Not a single proof has yet been provided, there is still no reaction from those who are involved in the elections (I do not know what they are called), there is still no reaction from law enforcement agencies. Even the republican media do not support this accusation. But for you everything is already clear. And how are you different from those for whom the United States is a "shining castle on the mountain"? The same thing, only with a minus sign. Objectively, you simply cannot look at their actions. Or the position is not allowed.
              And enough for me to think out. For you, the United States is the center of the universe and the beacon of democracy, for me it is not. I won't be surprised if you call Trump the world's main liberal.

              Quote: 123
              Nonsense? Reread your previous paragraph. Everything is so with them .... You simply cannot look critically at their reality.

              And what's in the previous paragraph. Where did I say that everything is like this with them? Are you speculating for me again? I don't know much about the United States, the electoral system, the bipartisan system is not enthusiastic.
              In short, I have to admit, I'm not good at understanding people. Brain Putinism.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 9 November 2020 07: 27
                +6
                I have not been to Paris, I was in Nice. Nice is a pretty decent city, clean green. If my dear Peter would become the same clean and green, yes I want.

                You've been to Nice, but you want it like Paris. Take off your pink glasses sometimes. Do not confuse tourism with emigration, tourists in St. Petersburg are not shown everything either.



                If you want Peter's life to be as green as Nice, put your hands on, plant at least one tree yourself. And think about climate change, it might help, it's damp there.

                Banned on Google? It happens. Dial in "Sputnik"
                "The murder of Anastasia Meshcheryakova"

                Creepy, but "everyday", are you trying to compare this with a French teacher?

                The murder of Anastasia Meshcheryakova - resonant murder four year old girl perfect February 29, 2016 in Moscow the mentally ill nanny

                "Murder of Russian servicemen in the village of Tukhchar"
                "The Murder of British Engineers in Chechnya"

                Killed by Chechen terrorists, engineers in 1998, servicemen in 1999. Don't you think that something has changed since then? Most of this audience was sent to the Hurias, the remnants of the "rebels" were sheltered, including the French. Now reaping the benefits. Comparing these cases and pretending that we have all the same is not quite correct. Do you have no conscience left?

                Well, as a bonus
                But this, of course, is not the same as in France.

                You see, you yourself understand everything, but again you are comparing it with murder on religious grounds.

                Do you want to say that the Russian Federation is part of this global phenomenon, but it is unpleasant for you to talk about it and you are focusing on France? Ok, everyone has their own fad.

                By no means, it's just that in France these phenomena are more pronounced and in our country they cope with this phenomenon much better, therefore the French example. And what about your fad? Is it your hobby to smear your homeland?

                Come on, the old (or rather ancient) song about the decaying west. This is your faith, what's the point of arguing about faith?

                I am not interested in fairy tales, I look at the situation realistically, unlike you I do not believe in the "shining city of the hill". The situation there is getting worse and this is a fact that your faith does not allow you to admit.

                I, unlike you, do not follow the American elections. Well, look, one candidate accused his rivals of falsification. Not a single proof has yet been provided, there is still no reaction from those who are involved in the elections (I do not know what they are called), there is still no reaction from law enforcement agencies. Even the republican media do not support this accusation. But for you everything is already clear. And how do you differ from those for whom the United States is a "shining castle on the mountain"? The same thing, only with a minus sign. Objectively, you simply cannot look at their actions. Or the position is not allowed.

                Do not follow, but you know all the details winked
                Why is it not clear? There was no trial, no one officially recognized the victory, but they are already trumpeting about it and congratulating the "winners". The facts of election fraud are voiced, no one has denied them. Based on the available information, I conclude that they are trying to steal the victory from Trump's supporters. There will be a court decision, depending on the verdict I will express my opinion about it yes For you, by definition, everything is fine there. Feel the difference.

                And what's in the previous paragraph. Where did I say that they have everything like that? Are you speculating for me again?

                You haven't read it yet? Okay, don't bother, here it is.

                And what about the elections? They, in my opinion, every time so. What Trump says there, well, it's not from a big mind.

                Well, of course, how could they have something wrong. lol
                This is from the OSCE:

                5 million citizens were deprived of voting rights due to criminal convictions, although about half of them have already served their sentences. "This is contrary to the principle of universal suffrage"

                in 18 states, international observers were barred from polling stations.

                campaign funding was not transparent enough

                And yet, all is well lovely marquis ...

                this did not lead to gross violations

                public statements by the incumbent on mail-order voting, the number and scale of absentee voting violations remain insignificant

                Elections that do not allow voters, what could be fairer laughing

                I don't know much about the United States, the electoral system, the bipartisan system is not enthusiastic.

                Well, at least something does not make you happy, apparently there is still hope.

                In short, I have to admit, I'm not good at understanding people. Brain Putinism.

                Try to understand yourself first hi
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 9 November 2020 10: 17
                  -4
                  Creepy, but "everyday", are you trying to compare this with a French teacher?

                  123, I understand that you have no equal in wriggling a snake in a frying pan, but this moment:

                  On March 2, 2016, the judge of the Presnensky District Court of Moscow, Tatyana Vasyuchenko, ordered the arrest of Bobokulova until April 29, 2016 [27] [28]. Before the trial, Gulchehra said that she killed the girl because Allah ordered her [13]. Later, during interrogation, she stated that she did this in order to take revenge on Putin for the bombing in Syria [29].

                  how does it differ from the shouts of a brave Chechen daredevil his Islamist slogans in Paris?

                  Or "you don't understand, this is different"?
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 9 November 2020 12: 42
                    +5
                    I understand that you have no equal in wriggling a snake in a frying pan, but this moment:
                    Before the court session, Gulchehra said that she killed the girl because Allah ordered her
                    how does it differ from the shouts of a brave Chechen daredevil his Islamist slogans in Paris?

                    Not for you to tell about snakes and pans lol
                    For those who are slow-thinking and difficult to perceive information, I specially marked part of the text in bold sad , I repeat:

                    The murder of Anastasia Meshcheryakova is a resonant murder of a four-year-old girl, committed on February 29, 2016 in Moscow by her the mentally ill nanny

                    The Khoroshevsky court in Moscow released the nanny Gyulchekhra Bobokulova, accused of the murder of a four-year-old girl, from criminal liability and sent her to compulsory psychiatric treatment.

                    This crime has no religious basis. The nanny is insane, she could just as well insist that she was ordered to do the reptilians or unicorns. Insane people can be aggressive, here's an example:

                    http://www.rupor73.ru/proisshestviya/29338-chp-v-ul-yanovskom-gullivere-pokupatel-nitsa-napala-na-prodavshchitsu-s-nozhom

                    Or "you don't understand, this is different"?

                    You really don't understand, the situation is fundamentally different, in France they defend the right of journalists to offend believers, in our country it is not possible and such excesses can be settled in a civilized manner, in the legal field
                    Public actions expressing clear disrespect for society and committed in order to insult the religious feelings of believers are punishable by a fine or imprisonment (Article 148 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 10 November 2020 00: 57
                      -4
                      Not for you to tell about snakes and pans

                      As I say, you have no equal in spinning in a pan.

                      This crime has no religious basis. The nanny is insane, she could just as well insist that she was ordered to do the reptilians or unicorns. Insane people can be aggressive, here's an example:

                      First, this crime has a religious basis. When detained, the nanny performed namaz and said that she hated democracy and "Allah Akbar". Well, just exactly like an "offended" native of the proud Chechen auls. It is schizophrenia or not - it does not matter at all. Even if schizophrenia, then with a very obvious religious bias.

                      Secondly, the nanny cut off the child's head, clearly not in a state of violent insanity. She waited until the girl's parents, together with the eldest child, left the rented three-room apartment, after which, after waiting for Nastya to fall asleep, strangled her, cut off her head with a kitchen knife, put the severed head in a bag, then set fire to the apartment with the help of lamp oil and left the house with the severed head of a murdered girl in a bag. This fact of a methodically calculated crime was also pointed out by critics of the official conclusion of the psychological examination on the "insanity" of the nanny.

                      You really don't understand, the situation is fundamentally different, in France they defend the right of journalists to offend believers, in our country it is not possible and such excesses can be settled in a civilized manner, in the legal field

                      On May 28, 2012, there was an attack on the notorious journalist Sergei Aslanyan, who on the air of Mayak radio insulted the Prophet Muhammad and Islam in general.

                      It is known that an unknown person called the victim's cell phone and invited him outside to talk, Aslanyan agreed and went outside, after which an unknown person attacked him at the entrance. stabbed him several times.

                      The issue was resolved in a very civilized manner, in a legal manner. laughing

                      And just the other day, a young fellow in Tatarstan threw Molotov cocktails at a department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and stabbed one of the policemen with a knife, saying all the same - they say, your democracy sucks, Allah Akbar.

                      Although, it would seem, no one published any cartoons against Muhammad in Russia (especially in Muslim Tatarstan), and in general, Muslims and other believers are almost licked in our country.

                      Another thing about "this is impossible in Russia" - in 2009 the Orthodox priest Daniil Sysoev was killed. That still fruit was, of course - in particular, he spoke sharply about Islam and Muslims, published the book "Marriage with a Muslim", which contained expressions that were offensive to Muslims. But we are not about his worldview - we are about "a civilized solution of interreligious disputes in Russia", about "the impossibility of murders similar to those committed in France", right? Well, here's another example of the fact that everything impossible is possible.

                      So come on, amuse us further with your speeches that

                      in Russia they do it better.
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 10 November 2020 08: 30
                        +5
                        Even if schizophrenia, then with a very obvious religious bias.

                        As a specialist, do you say this? winked

                        the nanny cut off the child's head, clearly not in a state of violent insanity.

                        Have you identified yourself? sad

                        criticism of the official conclusion of the psychological examination

                        Sounds just enchanting winked Who are these people and how do they relate to forensic psychiatry? If you had any doubts, why did you not conduct an independent examination? If necessary, the issue can be resolved.

                        https://sud-expertiza.ru/nezavisimaya-psihologo-psihiatricheskaya-ekspertiza/

                        On May 28, 2012, the notorious journalist Sergei Aslanyan was attacked.
                        In 2009, Orthodox priest Daniil Sysoev was killed
                        But we are not about his worldview - we are about "a civilized solution of inter-religious disputes in Russia", about "the impossibility of murders like those committed in France," right? Well, here's another example of the fact that everything impossible is possible.

                        We are specifically about "a civilized solution of interreligious disputes in Russia." There is a problem, but we are solving it, in contrast to France.
                        Amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation were introduced in 2013, Federal Law of June 29, 2013 N 136-FZ

                        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_148270/

                        As you can see, some work towards a "civilized solution" is still being done. You give examples of a rather distant past, claiming that nothing changes. Here's a dipping rigging here. But you're no stranger negative

                        And just the other day, a young fellow in Tatarstan threw Molotov cocktails at a department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and stabbed one of the policemen with a knife, saying all the same - they say, your democracy sucks, Allah Akbar.

                        Another rigging. Extremists and fanatics are everywhere, if you believe that various kinds of terrorists can be introduced into a "civilized channel", then this is your next stupidity. I spoke about the attitude towards religious feelings of believers and a different approach to this problem in our country and in France.

                        So come on, amuse us further with your speeches that "in Russia they handle it better."

                        I suppose you are able to cheer yourself up on your own and it looks like you have a rather specific sense of humor.
                        Earnest request, try to think before you write another nonsense. hi
                      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 10 November 2020 17: 49
                        -4
                        As a specialist, do you say this?

                        Like a man with a head on his shoulders. Islamic fundamentalism is based on a religious factor. That is why it is called Islamic. In addition, during the interrogation, the nanny said the following:

                        “I wanted to take revenge on him, Putin. He is bombing Muslims with planes... Why doesn't anyone say anything about this? "

                        Once again. Even if the murder is committed in a state of schizophrenic seizure, the presence of this seizure does not negate the presence of a religious component in it.

                        Have you identified yourself?

                        We read the legal criteria for insanity:

                        Insanity, as a human condition, is disclosed in the Criminal Code using two criteria.
                        Inability to realize the public danger and the actual nature of their actions or inaction is the intellectual element of the first criterion of insanity. The strong-willed element of the first criterion is lack of ability to direct your actions... Both of these elements characterize the state of will and intellect of a person during the commission of a crime. The first criterion of insanity refers to psychological or legal criteria.

                        Reflection of a person's mental state in comparison with the general biological norm is included in the second criterion of insanity. This criterion contains the concept of the presence of dementia, chronic or temporary mental disorder or other morbid state of mind in the guilty person. The second criterion refers to criteria of a biological or medical nature.

                        The criteria for insanity are binding and interrelated. So, the absence of one of them excludes the presence of the specified state of the human psyche. For example, if a painful condition is not caused by the factors listed in Art. 21 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and the lack of awareness of the danger is not due to a mental disorder, then the concept of insanity is not applicable to such a state.

                        The nanny, both during the murder and after it, was fully aware of her actions and their social significance and did not repent of them. The methodical nature of the crime (waiting for the parents to leave, setting the house on fire, etc.) clearly indicates that she directed her own actions.

                        In turn, the mere presence of a mental illness (if any) is not yet a basis for recognizing insanity. Only if both criteria - legal and medical - are met, the perpetrator is declared insane.

                        It is time.

                        There is a problem, but we are solving it, in contrast to France.
                        Amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation were introduced in 2013, Federal Law of June 29, 2013 N 136-FZ

                        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_148270/

                        As you can see, some work towards a "civilized solution" is still being done.

                        We do not solve it - the introduction of this law in the criminal law of Russia and the practice of its implementation only pleases believers, and that's all. No one has ever brought proceedings against the public statements of the same Archpriest Smirnov, who compared atheists with animals that have no principles, and "advised" them to "commit suicide."

                        And here's another great:

                        On August 14, 2015, a group of individuals - members of the public movement "God's Will", headed by Tsorionov, damaged 4 works of sculptor Vadim Sidur, which are in the State Fund and presented at the exhibition in the Manezh[36]. The members of the above-mentioned group explained their actions by the fact that the exhibited works offended the religious feelings of believers. Initially, the prosecutor's office refused to initiate a criminal case of vandalism against the rioters[37], but, subsequently, a criminal case for the destruction of cultural property was still initiated. However, on September 23, 2016, the criminal case was terminated "for lack of corpus delicti"[38].

                        The only time this law acted in the "defense of feelings", for example, atheists, when they filed a case against a poet from Krasnodar, who published the poem "The Heretic", in which an atheist is burned at the stake. But the case was closed when it turned out that the poem was, according to the author, "ironic" (although in that very publication it was not clear whether this was so or not).

                        Are they also examples of the "distant past"?

                        Another rigging. Extremists and fanatics are everywhereif you believe that various kinds of terrorists can be introduced into the "civilized channel", then this is your next stupidity. I spoke about the attitude towards religious feelings of believers and a different approach to this problem in our country and in France.

                        No, this is just another rigging on your part. When we look at cases of sectarian violence in France, you blame the French law, which does not provide for "protection of the feelings of believers." When we consider the same cases of religious violence in Russia, you say that "fanatics are everywhere" and "attempts to introduce them into a civilized channel are stupidity."

                        Caricaturists in France not only smacked Islam, but also Christianity. However, out of millions of believers, only a few took up shooting at people and cutting heads. The rest of the believers, what do you think turned out to be unbelievers if they didn't? Or maybe, for all their faith, they just turned out to be not crazy fanatics and either ignored the cartoons as such, or simply filed a complaint against them.
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 10 November 2020 19: 33
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                        There are many letters, essentially nothing. You did not heed my advice and continue to write nonsense.

                        The nanny, both during the murder and after it, was fully aware of her actions and their social significance and did not repent of them.

                        Did you determine it yourself with the help of the Internet, or did you read the expert opinion? Are you a certified psychiatrist? That is, you are challenging the court verdict, the expert opinion is not correct, and so on, did I understand correctly? smile

                        We do not solve it - the introduction of this law in the criminal law of Russia and the practice of its implementation only pleases believers, and that's all.

                        Is this your next guess? What is it based on?

                        No one has ever brought proceedings against the public statements of the same Archpriest Smirnov, who compared atheists with animals that have no principles, and "advised" them to "commit suicide."

                        Another stupid thing negative Reread the name of the law, it is intended to protect, as you put it, "the feelings of believers", atheists, by definition, do not belong to them. I have no idea who Smirnov is and whom he insulted, but it is rather problematic to bring this under the influence of this law, for this there are other articles of the Criminal Code. The same goes for "The Heretic"

                        No, this is just another rigging on your part. When we look at cases of sectarian violence in France, you blame French law for not providing for "protection of the feelings of believers."

                        Exactly. Isn't that true? In Russia, this is simply not possible, such cartoons will not be published in our country, accordingly there will be no provocation, and if they do appear, they will take measures provided for by law.

                        When we consider the same cases of religious violence in Russia, you say that "fanatics are everywhere" and "attempts to introduce them into a civilized channel are stupidity."

                        Isn't that true? Fanatics are everywhere. The difference lies in the fact that at the legislative level it is forbidden to offend the feelings of believers, in France there is nothing like that, they defend the right of a handful of full-time cartoonists to offend millions of people and they have no control over them. In fact, we have a case of lynching.
                        What is the rigging? request

                        Caricaturists in France did not only smirk about Islam, but also Christianity. However, out of the millions of believers, only a few began to shoot at people and cut their heads. The rest of the believers, what do you think turned out to be unbelievers, if they didn't?

                        Your logic is rather strange belay If a person does not cut heads or shoot in response to insults, then he is not a believer? These, as you put it, "one in a million" turned out to be more prone to extremist actions and with a less stable psyche. Again, this law is not limited to this alone, a set of measures is in place, such people are identified, isolated or destroyed. This is me about anti-terrorist activities. Fortunately, we have much more frequent reports of the arrest of extremists or the destruction of terrorists than of attacks or terrorist acts. In Europe, the attitude towards them is much more liberal. The French, only after the incident, arrested the murderer's relatives, if I am not mistaken in Austria, the attacker was also on a "special account", but as we can see this turned out to be not enough, prevention is not effective.

                        Or maybe they, for all their faith, just turned out to be not crazy fanatics and either ignored the cartoons as such, or simply filed a complaint against them.

                        Where is the complaint? In Sportloto? Such cartoons are not printed for the first time, who punished whom and what is the punishment? They go unpunished.
                      4. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 01: 29
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                        Did you determine it yourself with the help of the Internet, or did you read the expert opinion? Are you a certified psychiatrist? That is, you are challenging the court verdict, the expert opinion is not correct, and so on, did I understand correctly?

                        Firstly, the status of "expert" is not a sufficient basis for the truth of judgments, only as an additional one. Remind you how the same experts and official courts in Soviet times diagnosed politically objectionable people and sent them for "treatment" to psychiatric hospitals? Secondly, in criminal practice there are many examples when criminals with established mental disorders were recognized as completely sane to themselves when committing crimes. So there are reasons to doubt the objectivity of the nanny's psychological examination.

                        And yet, yes, the planning and methodical nature of the crime is an essential basis for asserting the sanity of the offender.

                        Is this your next guess? What is it based on?

                        On the analysis of examples of the application of this law in Russian law.

                        Another nonsense negative Reread the name of the law, it is designed to protect, as you put it, "the feelings of believers", atheists, by definition, do not belong to them.

                        You would first read what article of the Criminal Code the law on "protection of the feelings of believers" refers to. For reference - this article is called "Violation of the right to freedom of conscience and denominations ".

                        Do you know what "freedom of conscience" is? This is the right to profess any religion or not to profess any religion at all, to express and defend one's opinion in accordance with one's worldview (including atheistic or agnostic). However, in Article 148, after the adoption of this law, a bias was made towards believers, and not atheists or agnostics, only "the feelings of believers" are protected.

                        This is not to mention the fact that the very concept of "feelings of believers" is legally vague, and therefore they can be interpreted as broadly as desired, which makes it possible to speculate on this in favor of these very believers.

                        I have no idea who Smirnov is and whom he offended

                        If you do not know Archpriest Smirnov, then you have no idea of ​​how things are in Russia in terms of relations between confessions, as well as between representatives of the church and the public. Because Smirnov was one of the main media and public figures in the Russian Orthodox Church.

                        but it is rather problematic to bring it under the action of this law, for this there are other articles of the Criminal Code. The same goes for "The Heretic"

                        Relations between confessions, as well as between religious organizations and believers on the one hand and non-believers on the other, are governed by two articles of criminal law - Article 148 and Article 282 (which is about extremism, humiliation of the individual and incitement to hatred on national, racial, ethnic basis, attitude to religion etc.). Article 282 was adopted in general in 2003.

                        So even under this article 282, neither Smirnov, nor Yuri Vyazemsky (who is the host of "Clever and Clever People"), nor other persons who more than once allowed public statements or performed actions that humiliate the dignity of unbelievers (and not only them) were never involved to liability - neither criminal nor administrative. Although lawsuits were filed against them more than once.

                        On the other hand, the concerts of Merlin Manson, the Polish band "Begemot" and some other "non-Orthodox" performers were disrupted more than once by the filing of church organizations and administrative structures.

                        Exactly. Isn't that true? In Russia, this is simply not possible, such cartoons will not be published in our country, accordingly there will be no provocation, and if they do appear, they will take measures provided for by law.

                        Isn't that true? Fanatics are everywhere. The difference lies in the fact that at the legislative level it is forbidden to offend the feelings of believers, in France there is nothing like that, they defend the right of a handful of full-time cartoonists to offend millions of people and they have no control over them. In fact, we have a case of lynching.
                        What is the rigging?

                        The fraud is that you explain the same phenomenon (cases of religious fanaticism and murder) in two different countries for two different reasons. The reason for this phenomenon is the same - the fanaticism of individual citizens. These fanatics kill equally in France and in Russia. But in the case of France, you put the blame on its legislation, and in the case of Russia, on the fanatics themselves.

                        You have a rather strange logic belay If a person does not cut heads or shoot in response to insults, then he is not a believer?

                        No, this is your logic - because it follows from your words, and I indicated with a quote exactly from which words.

                        Where is the complaint? In Sportloto? Such cartoons are not printed for the first time, who punished whom and what is the punishment? They go unpunished.

                        They can take legal action in the context of insult to personality, honor and dignity. In the event that the action was aimed at desecrating material religious symbols or structures (churches, tombstones, etc.), the article on vandalism or hooliganism applies. In other words, in French legislation, the "feelings of believers" are not distinguished among the "feelings of the whole society"; they do not have any special status and priority over the "feelings" of atheists or agnostics, as it became in Russia. And just this approach is fair.

                        France has freedom of speech for ALL citizens - both believers and non-believers. Believers can publish cartoons of atheists in the same way as atheists - of believers or their symbols.
                      5. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 13 November 2020 11: 02
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                        So there are reasons to doubt the objectivity of the nanny's psychological examination.

                        So write that these are your personal doubts, otherwise talk about it as a fact. You are so fond of precise wording.

                        So even under this article 282, neither Smirnov, nor Yuri Vyazemsky (who is the host of "Clever and Clever People"), nor other persons who more than once made public statements or performed actions that humiliate the dignity of unbelievers (and not only them), have never been brought to justice - neither criminal nor administrative. Although lawsuits were filed against them more than once.
                        But concerts Marilyn Manson, the Polish band "Begemot" and some other "non-Orthodox" performers frustrated more than once with the filing of church organizations and administrative structures.

                        Do you understand what is criminal or administrative responsibility? fool In what code does this kind of punishment as "concert disruption" be spelled out? Be sad that no one was condemned for offending the feelings of unbelievers, but when the "unbelievers" themselves insult you consider it normal. You have no regrets that Manson or "Behemoth" was not convicted. You are objectivity itself laughing

                        The fraud is that you explain the same phenomenon (cases of religious fanaticism and murder) in two different countries for two different reasons. The reason for this phenomenon is the same - the fanaticism of individual citizens.

                        I suppose this is again your doubts and assumptions? In my opinion, I have set out in some detail the point of view on the reasons and motives in these two specific cases. I do not see any arguments on your part, there is no desire to engage in bickering. If you repeat the same thing 300 times, nothing will change.

                        In other words, in French legislation, the "feelings of believers" are not distinguished among the "feelings of the whole society"; they do not have any special status and priority over the "feelings" of atheists or agnostics, as it became in Russia. And just this approach is fair.

                        How stand out yes In French educational institutions, for example, it is prohibited to wear Muslim women's headscarves, Jewish kippers, Sikh turbans, large Christian crosses and other religious paraphernalia.
                        Something I have not heard about the law obliging Manson to pull out the piercing or "Behemoths" to dress in tailcoats.
                        By the way, the "repression" against them was limited to this:



                        Or do you suppose the law is not written for them?

                        France has freedom of speech for ALL citizens - both believers and non-believers. Believers can publish cartoons of atheists in the same way as atheists - of believers or their symbols.

                        Do you understand what nonsense you are talking about? belay Believers will never do this. Do you think they have the right to do what they consider abomination? Following this logic, Manson may well wear a hijab or become a monk.
                      6. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 12: 15
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                        So write that these are your personal doubts, otherwise talk about it as a fact. You are so fond of precise wording.

                        Not only mine.

                        Do you understand what is criminal or administrative responsibility? fool In what code is this kind of punishment prescribed as "concert disruption"?

                        I wrote about criminal and administrative responsibility regarding the public statements of Smirnov, Vyazemsky and other believers who humiliate the dignity of atheists (on religious grounds). Responsibility for such statements is formally provided for by both criminal and administrative law of Russia.

                        Regarding the disruptions of concerts, I wrote as an example of the bias of the work of Russian law towards believers.

                        Be sad that no one was condemned for offending the feelings of unbelievers, but when the "unbelievers" themselves insult you consider it normal. You have no regrets that Manson or "Behemoth" was not convicted. You are objectivity itself

                        I am sad not because of this, but because “insulting the feelings of believers” is punishable by law, and “insulting the feelings of unbelievers” is not prosecuted by law. Either to equally legally protect the "feelings" of both parties, or not to protect them legally at all (personally, I am in favor of the second option, but the first is also fair). And in our country they ONLY protect the "feelings of believers" - and I showed this on specific examples of the ambivalent attitude of the legislation to public statements by the same Smirnov or Vyazemsky, on the one hand, and representatives of non-believers (or other groups opposed to official religions), on the other. So yes, I am objective.

                        I suppose this is again your doubts and assumptions? In my opinion, I have set out in some detail the point of view on the reasons and motives in these two specific cases.

                        What are my assumptions? You yourself said clearly that in France the law allowing the publication of cartoons is to blame, and in Russia - only the fanatics themselves. Re-read your own comments, since you start to get confused and forget about them.

                        Even how yes stands out in French educational institutions for example, wearing Muslim women's headscarves, Jewish kippers, Sikh turbans, large Christian crosses and other religious paraphernalia is prohibited.

                        Something I have not heard about the law obliging Manson to pull out the piercing or "Behemoths" to dress in tailcoats.

                        Do you have Marilyn Manson and Behemoths enrolled in a French school?

                        The piercing itself, by the way, is not a religious paraphernalia. It becomes such if it is made in the form of a religious symbol - and then it cannot be worn in a French school.

                        Regarding this prohibition itself, it "singles out" the believers only because only they wear religious attributes. Atheists and agnostics do not have such attributes. If there was, the law would oblige them.

                        Or do you suppose the law is not written for them?

                        https://www.zvuki.ru/R/P/33093/

                        - and now read carefully how things were with the cancellation of the group in ECB and "its violation of the law." In addition, this is not the first disruption of a concert of this group in Russia - and in each case there were church groups involved.

                        Do you understand what nonsense you are talking about? belay Believers will never do this. Do you think they have the right to do what they consider abomination?

                        Well, in your pink universe, believers may not do that. But in real reality, cartoons directed against atheists exist.

                        http://amencomics.stunda.org/christian-cartoons.htm

                        - enjoy. These are cartoons against atheists in Russia, not in France, but it is unlikely that in France there was not a single believer who drew exactly the same cartoons in their homeland.

                        Well, a believer in France can express his contempt or disapproval of atheism not only with the help of a caricature (if he considers it an abomination), but also with the help of a pamphlet, song, verse, etc., etc. Only the form will change, not essence.
                      7. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 13 November 2020 15: 14
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                        Young man, you are pretty tired of me with your stupidity, bored with you, go to someone else punch your brains hi
                      8. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 15: 15
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                        It's not my fault that you started arguing again about topics in which you don't understand anything :)
              2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 02: 08
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                Again, this law is not limited to this alone, a set of measures is in place, such people are identified, isolated or destroyed. This is me about anti-terrorist activities. Fortunately, we have much more frequent reports of the arrest of extremists or the destruction of terrorists than of the attacks or terrorist acts committed. In Europe, the attitude towards them is much more liberal. The French, only after the incident, arrested the murderer's relatives, if I am not mistaken in Austria, the attacker was also on a "special account", but as we can see this turned out to be not enough, prevention is not effective.

                But with this passage, I agree. I do not presume to assert in which country anti-terrorist activity is more effective - I have not studied or compared. But the very essence of this passage is correct. It is precisely countering terrorists and a competent immigration policy that is one of the key reasons for the growth or reduction of manifestations of religious extremism.

                But not freedom to publish cartoons.
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 10 November 2020 02: 29
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    Quote: 123
    You've been to Nice, but you want it like Paris. Take off your pink glasses sometimes. Do not confuse tourism with emigration, tourists in St. Petersburg are not shown everything either.

    Are you inventing something for me again? No need to tell me about Peter, I lived in the very center on Liteiny. You can't live there, the houses are dirty up to the third floor from cars. If any mayor would make my city clean and unload the center of cars, I would vote for him even if he was, God forgive me, from United Russia. Nice was a clean city.

    Quote: 123
    If you want Peter's life to be as green as Nice, put your hands on, plant at least one tree yourself. And think about climate change, it might help, it's damp there.

    Oh, don't worry, I planted the trees normally. As for climate change ... When you travel to Finland, you understand the absurdity of such excuses.

    Quote: 123
    Creepy, but "everyday", are you trying to compare this with a French teacher?

    That is, on "everyday life" to cut heads normally? And it's a relief for the girl's parents to know that the aunt, killing their daughter, was shouting "Allah Akbar" simply because she was abnormal.

    Quote: 123
    Most of this audience is sent to the Hurias

    Or they became in the leadership of the Chechen Republic and entered its power structures.

    Quote: 123
    the remnants of the "rebels" were sheltered by the French as well. Now reaping the benefits.

    Oh, so a native Muscovite was noted in Paris. You have the conscience to ascribe the crimes of 20 years ago to a guy of 18 years old. Do you think all such Abdulakhi Anzorovs left Moscow and the Russian Federation?

    Quote: 123
    Comparing these cases and pretending that we have all the same is not quite correct. Do you have no conscience left?

    Do you think Abdulakhi Anzorov's act is adequate?
    And let's compare Abdulakhi Anzorov with Akbarzhon Jalilov and his biography? Let's see who is the champion in snakes and pans.

    Quote: 123
    You see, you yourself understand everything, but again you are comparing it with murder on religious grounds.

    Of course of course. When the head is cut off in a drunken state, this is almost normal, not like in the spiritless gay Europe in the name of Allah.

    Quote: 123
    By no means, it's just that in France these phenomena are more pronounced and in our country they cope with this phenomenon much better, therefore the French example.

    In France in 16, 875 people were killed, in the Russian Federation, 10. 331 and 1,35 per 7,21 thousand, respectively. And if you still count the accident, then generally horror. But for some reason you are more worried about the French, although only a few die from terrorist attacks.
    Well, OK. Let us compare, if you are worried about this topic, how many French and Russians died in terrorist attacks in 10 years.

    Quote: 123
    And what about your fad? Is it your hobby to smear your homeland?

    I have a point, I do not want the new 90s, but I am sure that the leadership of the Russian Federation is leading us there. And the leadership of the Russian Federation, by and large, shares your views. If propaganda chewing gum is more important to you than historical facts, then yes, it is my hobby to tarnish your fictional homeland.

    Quote: 123
    I am not interested in fairy tales, I look at the situation realistically, unlike you I do not believe in the "shining city of the hill". The situation there is getting worse and this is a fact that your faith does not allow you to admit.

    Do you know where the expression "decaying west" came from? It was invented by a certain Stepan Petrovich Shevyrev, a Slavophile, who, as a Slavophile should be, died in Paris.
    He wrote:

    In our sincere friendly and close relations with the West, we do not notice that we are dealing as if with a person who carries an evil, contagious disease, surrounded by an atmosphere of dangerous breath. We kiss with him, hug, share a meal of thought, drink a cup of feeling ... and do not notice the hidden poison in our careless communication, we do not smell in the fun of the feast of the future corpse, which he already smells of.

    It was 1841. Years passed, it was getting dark. And he is still rotting.
    Well, what a fact, it's your faith. Fact is some kind of static, economic, demographic indicators. But you are not interested. The fact that some Muscovite killed a teacher in Paris does not mean anything at all.

    Quote: 123
    Do not follow, but you know all the details
    Why is it not clear? There was no trial, no one officially recognized the victory, but they are already trumpeting about it and congratulating the "winners". The facts of election fraud are voiced, no one has denied them. Based on the available information, I conclude that they are trying to steal the victory from Trump's supporters. There will be a court decision, depending on the verdict I will express my opinion about it. For you, by definition, everything is fine there. Feel the difference.

    I learned about falsifications by mail from you.
    I do not know the details, but I read somewhere that all election commissions (or whatever they are called) necessarily consist of representatives of Democrats and Republicans. It is impossible to do this without the participation of all members of the commission. If you are right, then Trump's party members want to topple him. In my opinion, this is very unlikely.
    But you want to believe it, well, it happens.

    Quote: 123
    And yet, all is well lovely marquis ...

    Once again, where did I say that everything is fine?
    You seem to see what you want to see, not what it really is.
    Once again, where did I say that America is the beacon of democracy?
    And by the way, ask how things are with the voting of prisoners. In everything we are equal to your beloved America.

    Quote: 123
    Well, at least something does not make you happy, apparently there is still hope.

    In your case, there is no hope.

    Quote: 123
    Try to understand yourself first

    It's a shame that I was mistaken in you.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 10 November 2020 09: 53
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      No need to tell me about Peter, I lived in the very center on Liteiny. You can't live there, the houses are dirty up to the third floor from cars. If any mayor made my city clean and relieved the center of cars, I would vote for him even if he was, God forgive me, from United Russia.

      Perhaps this is important for you and this is a burning problem for you, but I suppose it is local, maybe greening is worth discussing at the local city forum? For example, I have a cedar grove 30 meters from the house, and in general there are no such problems. I have never been a member of any party and have not supported a single one. Which one to vote for is your personal problem. We have complete freedom with this.

      That is, on "everyday life" to cut heads normally? And it's a relief for the girl's parents to know that the aunt, killing their daughter, was shouting "Allah Akbar" simply because she was abnormal.

      Why so? belay You made a rather strange conclusion. Nothing will make the girl's mother easier. But the nanny committed the murder because she was not normal, that she was shouting there the essence of the matter does not change.

      Oh, so a native Muscovite was noted in Paris. You have the conscience to ascribe the crimes of 20 years ago to a guy of 18 years old. Do you think all such Abdulakhi Anzorovs left Moscow and the Russian Federation?

      Perhaps this is news for you, but the place of birth does not greatly affect the formation of the personality, the environment in which he is brought up is much more important, so what Moscow has to do with it is not entirely clear. request

      In France, relatives, father, grandfather and 17-year-old brother of the killer were detained, only 9 people. Apparently these are not completely harmless and law-abiding people.

      https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/professeur-decapite-9-gardes-a-vue-dont-le-pere-qui-s-etait-plaint-de-l-enseignant-sur-internet_AV-202010170017.html

      In France in 16, 875 people were killed, in the Russian Federation, 10. 331 and 1,35 per 7,21 thousand, respectively. And if you still count the accident, then generally horror. But for some reason you are more worried about the French, although only a few die from terrorist attacks.

      In this case, the French "bother" me exclusively in the context of interfaith relations and religious extremism. If you justify how domestic murders or road accidents are related to this, then I'm ready to discuss. Apparently you mean that we cannot criticize the west you adore, because they themselves have enough problems?

      Well, OK. Let us compare, if you are worried about this topic, how many French and Russians died in terrorist attacks in 10 years.

      First, what will this comparison give you and how correct will it be? Our population even differs by more than 2 times.
      Second, I talked about the difference in approaches to solving the problem and its effectiveness.
      Thirdly, if you propose to compare, give the numbers. And this is information for you to think about ...

      Over the past ten years, the number of terrorist crimes has decreased in our country - just think about these figures - almost a hundred times (V. Matvienko)

      The head of the Federal Security Service, Alexander Bortnikov, at a meeting with Vladimir Putin on Tuesday, June 16, said that if in 2010 778 terrorist crimes were committed in the country, then in 2019 there were only four.

      https://pravo.ru/news/222948/

      Do you know where the expression "decaying west" came from?

      I told you, I'm not interested in mythology, you can discuss the Slavophiles in a literary circle. We are talking about a real problem and the present tense.

      The fact that some Muscovite killed a teacher in Paris does not mean anything at all.

      You are right about one thing, the fact that he was born in Moscow has nothing to do with the case. request Remind you of the Austrian artist and his role in the Reich?

      I learned about falsifications by mail from you.
      I do not know the details, but I read somewhere that all election commissions (or whatever they are called there) necessarily consist of representatives of Democrats and Republicans. It is impossible to do this without the participation of all members of the commission.

      Of course laughing , The media and social networks of a certain orientation ignore this information, Twitter if something stupidly spreads about Trump, removes his "scribbles" ... about the complicity of the commission members, the question is difficult, not the fact that all members of the commissions considered the "postal" votes, but information about the non-admission of observers full. In general, the electoral system in the United States is rather archaic and not perfect. But these people forbid not only Lukashenka to “pick his nose”, but also try to us.

      Once again, where did I say that everything is fine?
      You seem to see what you want to see, not what it really is.
      Once again, where did I say that America is the beacon of democracy?

      No, of course, you go from the opposite, as soon as you start saying that everything is bad with us. Essentially the same thing, but in different words.

      And by the way, ask how things are with the voting of prisoners. In everything we are equal to your beloved America.

      Asked yes We have been deprived of the right to vote, those convicted and imprisoned by a court verdict and incapacitated. It's not us that the OSCE blames for the deprivation of the right to vote for those released from custody.

      By the way, since we touched on the topic ...

      The number of prisoners in Russia has renewed its historical minimum.
      In 2019, the number of convicts held in correctional colonies in Russia decreased by another 6 percent, to 434 people.

      In the United States, if that is 2,2 million, even if we take into account the difference with us in the number of people in more than two times ... in total, in terms of the number of prisoners per 100 thousand of the population, this is a solid second place, 698 prisoners per 100 thousand of the population (in the first if something is not us and Seychelles). And these people call us GUGAG winked So how equal we are is a big question. In my opinion you slander our country.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 11 November 2020 23: 50
        -4
        Quote: 123
        Why then? You made a rather strange conclusion.

        You are trying to say that a murder committed by a terrorist is different from “everyday life”. It is not clear to me why, by orders of magnitude more people perish from "everyday life", but by cruelty you can find something for every taste.

        Quote: 123
        Perhaps this is news for you, but the place of birth does not greatly affect the formation of the personality, the environment in which he is brought up is much more important, so what Moscow has to do with it is not entirely clear.

        I agree, especially the first 6 years of his life, which Abdulakhi Anzorov spent in Moscow.

        Quote: 123
        In France, relatives, father, grandfather and 17-year-old brother of the killer were detained, only 9 people. Apparently these are not completely harmless and law-abiding people.

        These are your fantasies.

        Quote: 123
        If you justify how domestic murders or road accidents are related to this, then I'm ready to discuss. Apparently you mean that we cannot criticize the west you adore, because they themselves have enough problems?

        Are you not in touch? In terrorist attacks people are dying, in domestic murders people are dying, in road accidents people are dying. The task of the state is to protect citizens from these threats and to minimize casualties. You are talking nonsense again. What for?

        Quote: 123
        First, what will this comparison give you and how correct will it be? Our population even differs by more than 2 times.
        Second, I talked about the difference in approaches to solving the problem and its effectiveness.
        Thirdly, if you propose to compare, give the numbers. And this is information for you to think about ...

        Firstly, it looks like an excuse, you can compare it to 1000 inhabitants or a million.
        Second, when was the law to protect the feelings of believers passed? At 13? Since then, the number of terrorist crimes has grown exponentially


        http://crimestat.ru/offenses_chart

        Third, usually the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the asserter, you say that everything is bad in France, how many people have died at the hands of terrorists in this country in 10 years?

        Quote: 123
        I told you, I'm not interested in mythology, you can discuss the Slavophiles in a literary circle. We are talking about a real problem and the present tense.

        How do your fantasies differ from those of Stepan Petrovich?

        Quote: 123
        Well, still, the media and social networks of a certain orientation ignore this information, Twitter if something stupidly spreads about Trump, deletes his "scribbles" ... about the complicity of members of the commission is a difficult question, not the fact that all members of the commissions considered the "postal" votes, but information about the non-admission of observers is complete. In general, the electoral system in the United States is rather archaic and not perfect. But these people forbid not only Lukashenka to "pick his nose", but also try to us.

        To understand the situation in the United States, you need to at least read their press, I don't know what they are doing, but I don’t believe in the conspiracy between Republicans and Democrats to overthrow Trump. And in my understanding, such a trick cannot be done without the participation of the Republicans.
        Yes, archaic and imperfect; Americans are conservative. Why do you look up to them all the more incomprehensible.

        Have you heard of the cargo cult? And there is a reverse cargo cult.



        Quote: 123
        No, of course, you go from the opposite, as soon as you start saying that everything is bad with us. Essentially the same thing, but in different words.

        Usually I to enthusiastic personalities like you, who with bated breath say that everything is bad in the West and it is about to fall apart, I point out that most of the problems are inherent in the Russian Federation.

        Quote: 123
        So how equal we are is a big question. In my opinion you slander our country.

        But it is you who are always equal to the United States. Where did you get such American-centrism is not clear.

        So after all, for you there is a difference between Abdulakhi Anzorova and Akbarzhon Jalilov, and in what?
        And for one thing about the feelings of believers. Do you go to a cafe? For some, this offends their religious feelings.

        https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/9870993
        https://t.me/bazabazon/5001

        Is it time to close all the cafes?
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 12 November 2020 11: 36
          +4
          You are trying to say that a murder committed by a terrorist is different from “everyday life”. It is not clear to me why, by orders of magnitude more people perish from "everyday life", but by cruelty you can find something for every taste.

          Naturally different, they have different motives. Murders do you know happen and through negligence, there are people who fight and accidentally inflict a fatal blow, you will not believe, but accidents still happen and so on. These are still phenomena of a different nature and it is already prohibitive to equate them with terrorists.
          This is how you will sink to the justification of terrorists. negative

          I agree, especially the first 6 years of his life, which Abdulakhi Anzorov spent in Moscow.

          Was he the "path of jihad" in his kindergarten, and a six-year-old inveterate Islamist terrorist arrived in France from Moscow? sad

          Are you not in touch? In terrorist attacks people are dying, in domestic murders people are dying, in road accidents people are dying. The task of the state is to protect citizens from these threats and to minimize casualties. You are talking nonsense again. What for?

          Can't you see the difference? belay Well, of course, as we are orphaned and miserable, we can criticize the West for not coping with terrorism, because we have more road accidents ..... It is very similar to "and you have blacks lynched" laughing

          Firstly, it looks like an excuse, you can compare it to 1000 inhabitants or a million.
          Second, when was the law to protect the feelings of believers passed? At 13? Since then, the number of terrorist crimes has grown exponentially

          Firstly, this is not a "excuse" but a question that you have not answered by the way. What does this comparison give you?
          Secondly, you do not accurately quote the source, the number of

          registered terrorist crimes

          They are not exactly the same thing as perfect.

          Types of terrorist crimes:
          1) Terrorist act;
          2) Involvement in the commission of terrorist crimes or other assistance in their commission;
          3) Public calls for terrorist activities or public justification of terrorism;
          4) hostage taking;
          5) Knowingly false reporting of an act of terrorism;
          6) Organization of an illegal armed formation or participation in it

          The general statistics include calls about a bomb, the distribution of "specific" literature, and so on. Everything is registered, including prevented and suppressed crimes. The terrorists were destroyed, the crime was registered, the "agitators" were detained, and so on. I recommend delving deeper into the statistics and not mindlessly citing data.

          Third, usually the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the asserter, you say that everything is bad in France, how many people have died at the hands of terrorists in this country in 10 years?

          Very correct statement yes In France, from 2010 to 2018, 263 people died at the hands of terrorists, as you understand for another 2 years the figure did not decrease, you can calculate it yourself.

          2000 people were killed in Europe between 2018 and 753
          France and Spain are in the forefront. Among European countries, Spain and France paid the highest price - 268 and 263 deaths respectively.

          https://www.lepoint.fr/europe/terrorisme-le-triste-bilan-des-18-dernieres-annees-en-europe-04-03-2019-2298059_2626.php#

          From the annual report "Global Terrorism Index" of the International Institute of Economics and Peace (IEP), it follows that the situation in France is still worse, Russia is in 37th place, France is in 36th place. You can independently count it per 100 thousand people or per million. Give a link to the calculator? smile The population of France is 66 million, I hope you remember ours.

          https://www.visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/GTI-2019-A3-map-posterprint-1.pdf

          How do your fantasies differ from those of Stepan Petrovich?

          What do you see as fantasy? I am giving real facts. Refute or stop calling it fairy tales. My "fantasies" are inspired by the foreign press. Don't you believe them either? repeat

          https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/professeur-decapite-9-gardes-a-vue-dont-le-pere-qui-s-etait-plaint-de-l-enseignant-sur-internet_AV-202010170017.html

          To understand the situation in the United States, you need to at least read their press, I do not know what they are doing, but into a conspiracy between Republicans and Democrats to overthrow Trump I do not believe... And in my understanding, such a trick cannot be done without the participation of the Republicans.
          Yes, archaic and imperfect; Americans are conservative. Why do you look up to them all the more incomprehensible.
          Have you heard of the cargo cult? And there is a reverse cargo cult.


          Who's stopping you? Take it and read it. But for you this is a matter of faith, you just do not believe that it cannot be there. Vidio pr kargokult in "theme" good , just your case. yes
          I don't compare to Americans, but compare. Are you annoyed if the comparison turns out to be not in their favor?

          Usually I to enthusiastic personalities like you, who with bated breath say that everything is bad in the West and it is about to fall apart, I point out that most of the problems are inherent in the Russian Federation.

          And to individuals who grab hold of validol at any "disrespectful" mention of the West, claiming that it will rot forever and nothing will happen to it, like you, indicate that most of the problems are inherent in them? smile Apparently not No. or will you give an auto quote? winked
          So my statement

          No, of course, you go from the opposite, as soon as you start saying that everything is bad with us. Essentially the same thing, but in different words.

          Apparently true yes In any case, you have nothing to refute it. request

          But it is you who are always equal to the United States. Where did you get such American-centrism is not clear.

          I repeat, I do not equal but compare, these are still slightly different things. Moreover, he spoke about France, he hooked the Americans with the edge. Why did it turn you on so much? Do you think they are not suitable for comparison? Suggest other options, with whom is it better to compare?

          So after all, for you there is a difference between Abdulakhi Anzorova and Akbarzhon Jalilov, and in what?

          I'm not going to understand the varieties, the only difference is that the latter is unfortunately alive. Are you trying to put an equal sign between our countries through their "identity"? It won't work, your "literary" tricks won't work No. We talked about the effectiveness of counteraction and the difference in the approach of states to the problem. All the same, they do it worse. See above, everything is written there, with facts, with numbers.

          And for one thing about the feelings of believers. Do you go to a cafe? For some, this offends their religious feelings.

          https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/9870993

          https://t.me/bazabazon/5001

          Is it time to close all the cafes?

          Please do not distort, believers themselves go to cafes. But such "some" who throw themselves at the police with a knife should be identified and stopped, which our special services are doing quite effectively.
        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 02: 32
          -5
          2000 people were killed in Europe between 2018 and 753
          France and Spain are in the forefront. Among European countries, Spain and France paid the highest price - 268 and 263 deaths, respectively.

          Here's what is funny in your example - the number of those killed by extremists in Spain is greater than in France, but Spain has a law to protect the feelings of believers, and France does not. Moreover, in terms of population, this figure in Spain is becoming even higher than in France.

          Where is the correlation between the existence of a law to protect the feelings of believers and the number of victims of extremism?

          From the annual report "Global Terrorism Index" of the International Institute of Economics and Peace (IEP), it follows that the situation in France is still worse, Russia is in 37th place, France is in 36th place. You can independently count it per 100 thousand people or per million. Give a link to the calculator? smile The population of France is 66 million, I hope you remember ours.

          Actually, the data in this link is expressed as a coefficient - that is, already in terms of the total population. Such ratings necessarily take into account the difference in population size, otherwise they would not be objective.
        3. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 13 November 2020 11: 17
          +4
          Here's what is funny in your example - the number of those killed by extremists in Spain is greater than in France, but Spain has a law to protect the feelings of believers, and France does not. Moreover, in terms of population, this figure in Spain is becoming even higher than in France.
          Where is the correlation between the existence of a law to protect the feelings of believers and the number of victims of extremism?

          Actually, if you take the trouble to read my previous comments, you will understand that this is exactly what I said. A simple comparison with whom the most perished does not give anything, moreover, it is rather immoral. But the "opponent" insisted on numbers and "proofs", apparently believed that peaceful hobbits live in a peaceful patriarchal France, and all these terrorists run only here.
          As for the comparison with Spain, 1-2 cases like the explosion of a train in Madrid in 2004 (191 deaths) or Bataclan (130 deaths) quite strongly affect the statistics and completely make it meaningless to make such comparisons. Besides, I did not say that things are better in Spain.
        4. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 12: 24
          -4
          Actually, if you take the trouble to read my previous comments, you will understand that this is exactly what I said. A simple comparison with whom the most died does not give anything, moreover, it is rather immoral. But the "opponent" insisted on numbers and "proofs", apparently believed that peaceful hobbits live in a peaceful patriarchal France, and all these terrorists run only here.

          The opponent insisted on proof and he is right. You just gave incorrect evidence.

          As for the comparison with Spain, 1-2 cases like the explosion of a train in Madrid in 2004 (191 deaths) or Bataclan (130 deaths) quite strongly influence the statistics and completely make it meaningless to make such comparisons.

          Right. The death toll is not an objective criterion, since it depends on the success of the terrorist attack. Better to compare the number of terrorist attacks themselves. Here is the statistics on the number of religiously-motivated terrorist attacks in France and in Russia over the same period.
    2. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 02: 50
      -5
      Very correct statement yes In France from 2010 to 2018, 263 people died at the hands of terrorists, as you understand for another 2 years the figure has not become less, you can calculate it yourself.

      And literally right there you quote a quote that says:

      In the period from 2000 to 2018 year 753 people were killed in Europe
      France and Spain are in the forefront. Among European countries, Spain and France paid the highest price - 268 and 263 deaths respectively.

      You even distorted your own quote, more than halving the time interval, but leaving the same death toll from extremism in France laughing
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 13 November 2020 11: 21
      +3
      You even distorted your own quote, more than halving the time interval, but leaving the same death toll from extremism in France

      It was just a typo. Thanks for correcting good Do you keep trying to find something to cling to? Commitment and perseverance deserve better use.
    4. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 12: 27
      -4
      Well, if it was "just a typo" - compare the number of victims of terrorist attacks (or even better - the terrorist attacks themselves) committed on religious grounds in Russia and France over the specified period. For the purity of the experiment, it is better to compare them for the period from 2013, when the law on the protection of the feelings of believers was adopted in Russia.
    5. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 14 November 2020 11: 10
      +2
      Well, if it was "just a typo" - compare the number of victims of terrorist attacks (or even better - the terrorist attacks themselves) committed on religious grounds in Russia and France over the specified period. For the purity of the experiment, it is better to compare them for the period from 2013, when the law on the protection of the feelings of believers was adopted in Russia.

      Firstly, I have already written everything I think about such a comparison. There is no desire to repeat everything again especially for you, the fact that you are not capable of information from the first is your problem.
      Secondly, don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go. If you want to compare something, experiment on health yourself.
    6. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2020 11: 28
      -5
      Firstly, I have already written everything I think about such a comparison. There is no desire to repeat everything again especially for you, the fact that you are not capable of information from the first is your problem.

      Number perfect religiously motivated terrorist attacks - a fairly objective criterion of the issue that is being considered. Another point is that the results of this comparison will not be in your favor - so you are trying to make a good face with a bad game :)

      Secondly, don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go. If you want to compare something, experiment on health yourself.

      Wow, how impudent you are :) rebel! :)
    7. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 14 November 2020 11: 53
      +2
      The evaluation criteria you are proposing are rather strange.
      For you, they may seem objective; for most sane people, they do not. You suggest a comparison:

      compare the number of victims of terrorist attacks (or even better - the terrorist attacks themselves) committed on religious grounds in Russia and France over the specified period. For the purity of the experiment, it is better to compare them for the period from 2013, when the law on the protection of the feelings of believers was adopted in Russia.

      That is, do you think that based on the different number of deaths in two different explosions, you can draw a conclusion about the effectiveness of the law? Or, for example, by the presence in the group of a larger number of terrorists who can simultaneously carry out more attacks?
      You have a rather strange understanding of analysis belay I'm not surprised, though, for members of the Musk Witness sect have a similar primitivism.
      Young man, you are really tired of your nonsense. You are kindly requested to save me from your "virtuoso" conclusions, share them in the circle of enthusiastic like-minded people, at least they will not laugh at you there hi
  5. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 02: 52
    -4
    Was he the "path of jihad" in his kindergarten, and a six-year-old inveterate Islamist terrorist arrived in France from Moscow?

    And in your Universe, until the age of 6, a child lives exclusively in a kindergarten? Doesn't communicate with family and friends (of the same nationality, upbringing and beliefs)?
  6. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 13 November 2020 11: 25
    +3
    And in your Universe, until the age of 6, a child lives exclusively in a kindergarten? Doesn't communicate with family and friends (of the same nationality, upbringing and beliefs)?

    Of course not. This is what I wrote about yes Take the trouble to re-read the commentary where it is written about the detention of the criminal's relatives. But for some reason the "opponent" was sure of the "Moscow trace" of this crime.
    You again rush into battle without understanding. winked Your carelessness starts to tire sad
  7. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 12: 36
    -4
    Of course not. This is what I wrote about yes. Take the trouble to reread the commentary where it is written about the detention of the criminal's relatives. But for some reason the "opponent" was sure of the "Moscow trace" of this crime.

    You said this:

    Perhaps this is news for you, but the place of birth does not greatly affect the formation of the personality, the environment in which he is brought up is much more important, so what does Moscow have to do with it?.

    To which your opponent rightly pointed out that the criminal lived in Moscow until the age of 6.

    To this you answered:

    This is for him kindergarten "The path of jihad" was indicated and a six-year-old inveterate Islamist terrorist arrived in France from Moscow?

    You wriggle again like in a frying pan. By proclaiming the importance of the environment and environment in shaping the personality of a criminal, you simply threw out this factor during his first 6 years of life in Moscow. Although it was at this time (from 1 to 6 years old), according to psychology, that norms of behavior are laid in the child's mind, moral and emotional self-regulation is formed.
  8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 14 November 2020 01: 47
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    Quote: 123
    Naturally different, they have different motives. Murders do you know happen and through negligence, there are people who fight and accidentally inflict a fatal blow, you will not believe, but accidents still happen and so on. These are still phenomena of a different nature and it is already prohibitive to equate them with terrorists.
    This is how you will sink to the justification of terrorists.

    No, you have sunk to the justification of "everyday life". For society, these actions are of the same order, it's just that terrorism is more publicized.

    Quote: 123
    Was he the "path of jihad" in his kindergarten, and a six-year-old inveterate Islamist terrorist arrived in France from Moscow?

    No, what are you talking about nonsense. They could not point out the "path of jihad", but it was easy to instill that for faith it was possible to shed blood, especially for the unbelievers (plus youthful maximalism). Do you think all of his peers from his Moscow circle left the Russian Federation?

    Quote: 123
    Can't you see the difference? Well, of course, as we are orphaned and miserable, we can criticize the West for not coping with terrorism, because we have more road accidents ..... It is very similar to "and you have blacks lynched"

    You are talking nonsense again. What for?

    Quote: 123
    Firstly, this is not a "excuse" but a question that you have not answered by the way. What does this comparison give you?

    We will find out where the terrorist threat is higher.

    Quote: 123
    They are not exactly the same thing as perfect.

    That is, they can register an uncommitted crime? Are you sure? In any case, the indicator is growing.

    Quote: 123
    A very correct statement In France, from 2010 to 2018, 263 people died at the hands of terrorists, as you understand for another 2 years the figure did not decrease, you can calculate it yourself.

    In the Russian Federation, from 2010 to 2018, 530 people died, that is, in the Russian Federation 3,6 people per million, in France 3,9 people per million. In short, the chances of becoming a victim of a terrorist attack in the Russian Federation and in France are approximately equal. Wait, this is from 2000. It's not fair. Then it turns out in the Russian Federation there are more chances.

    Quote: 123
    From the annual report "Global Terrorism Index" of the International Institute of Economics and Peace (IEP), it follows that the situation in France is still worse, Russia is in 37th place, France is in 36th place. You can independently count it per 100 thousand people or per million.

    Do you propose to divide the place in the ranking by the number of inhabitants? You are funny.
    And if you remember that the main trend, then according to your "Global Terrorism Index".
    For France 2014 3,66, 2015 5,77, 2016 5,94, 2017 5,47, 2018 5,01. Three years down
    For the RF 2014 6,04, 2015 5,41, 2016 5,31, 2017 5,23, 2018 4,9, is also decreasing. Both countries are in approximately equal position and occupy neighboring points of the rating.
    That is, we can state that your confidence that the law on the protection of the feelings of believers somehow affects the terrorist threat in the Russian Federation is based on nothing. Statistics do not confirm this. It's just your faith. And the same with the situation in France, the level of the terrorist threat there is at about the same level (according to your own data) as in the Russian Federation, but for some reason everything is fine for you in the Russian Federation, and France is about to fall apart. Your conviction is not based on anything either. You can only believe in this if you stubbornly watch federal channels + RenTV.

    Quote: 123
    Who's stopping you? Take it and read it. But for you this is a matter of faith, you just do not believe that it cannot be there. Video about kargokult in the "theme", just your case.
    I don't compare to Americans, but compare. Are you annoyed if the comparison turns out to be not in their favor?

    Nobody bothers me, I don't want to? I live in St. Petersburg, what do I care about that America?
    The United States is a devil of hell, the dollar will collapse, a civil war will begin and their territory will be conquered by Mexico and Canada, all Americans will die from the corona of the virus and Yellowstone will go off. There the tyranny of democracy and does not smell, (not like in the Russian Federation) and in general blacks are lynched.
    So good?

    Quote: 123
    And to individuals who grab hold of validol at any "disrespectful" mention of the West, claiming that it will rot forever and nothing will happen to it, like you, indicate that most of the problems are inherent in them? Apparently not, or will you give an auto quote?

    Hmm ... Firstly, there is nothing that lasts forever under the moon. Where have I argued otherwise?
    Second by quote

    Quote: 123
    that everything is bad in the west and it is about to fall apart, I point out that most of the problems are inherent and RF.

    I don't know why you didn't understand "are inherent and" mean that they are inherent in both the West and the Russian Federation. You have to be more careful. Mind you, I am not saying that there are no problems with terrorism in France, I am saying that the level of this threat is approximately the same (thank you for the index) and you could not refute this. For some reason, you see problems only in France, but do not notice exactly the same in Russia.

    Quote: 123
    Apparently true In any case, you have nothing to refute it.

    Is nonsense to be refuted?

    Quote: 123
    I'm not going to understand the varieties, the only difference is that the latter is unfortunately alive. Are you trying to put an equal sign between our countries through their "sameness"? It will not work, your "literary" methods will not work. We talked about the effectiveness of counteraction and the difference in the approach of states to the problem. All the same, they do it worse. See above, everything is written there, with facts, with numbers.

    Jalilov is actually dead, but not the point. More interesting biography, Uzbek, born in Kyrgyzstan, received Russian citizenship, committed a terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg metro. Do you find any similarities with Anzorov's story?
    In my opinion, you could not prove anything, but your fact is pouring water on my mill.

    Quote: 123
    Please do not distort, believers themselves go to cafes. But such "some" who throw themselves at the police with a knife should be identified and stopped, which our special services are doing quite effectively.

    And what is the distortion? In France, too, not all believers rush to cut off their heads when they see a caricature, some are sure and this magazine can leaf through. It looks like double standards on your part.
    Is the terrorist attack in Kizlyar in 2018 also different? There, too, the feelings of the believer were hurt, he did not like the crosses.
  • GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 8 November 2020 11: 57
    +1
    http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/article/203357/


    12 FIGURE OF THE KILLED CITIZEN. This is the brother of the washerwoman Anna-Charlotte, after whose death she went to the barricades. The fact that the corpse is stripped by looters indicates the base passions of the crowd, which burst to the surface in times of social upheaval.

    and these are the old cultured French ...
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 8 November 2020 12: 21
      +6
      and these are the old cultured French ...

      Were these "old Frenchmen" in the picture also not integrated into society? I'm not saying that the French are angels, we are talking about a separate subculture and no single French nation is observed. And so not only the French.
      1. GRF Offline GRF
        GRF 8 November 2020 12: 34
        +2
        I do not argue, we are talking about the same thing, there has not been any complete unification, there is not and will not be (well, perhaps within the "castes" to facilitate their management), as long as there are those who benefit from building hierarchies "master - managers - slaves "...
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 8 November 2020 12: 26
    +2
    I've been constantly saying: "If they don't respect me, why should I respect?" Americans respect and love themselves. How many times has Russia saved others for nothing? And they don't even see us for that. Is any of you for the good done and having received "spitting and insults" will then have anything to do with such things? That's the whole secret. If now our government openly declares that there will be no more liberation wars, but a complete clearing of the territory! I think that Georgia would not have dared to go to war then? And so why not fight with Russia and shit on her? All the same, nothing will happen, and then Russia will help and rebuild! Ukraine crap for us, and we trade with it, Kazakhstan canceled the Cyrillic alphabet, etc. Would you try to behave like this with the USA? Our government itself decided that Russia should! Without asking the people of Russia. Stalin, in order not to destroy and smash all of Germany to shreds, issued a special order on humane treatment. 5 thousand people were executed by this order. Although I respect Stalin, here he was wrong. The truth is only now you understand it. No mercy and pity for the enemy! Finish off everyone !!
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 November 2020 12: 38
    -5
    It's all bullshit. Who knew these dissidents?

    In fact, influence = economy + innovation.
    It is enough to look at the share of trade, for example, of Germany and the USA (1st place in some years) and Russia (not included in the top 10), and it is immediately clear who Germany will prefer. Emirates. France, Norway, Japan, Korea and others.

    Even with Turkey, we are somewhere there, roofing felts inside a 10-ki, or behind it ...

    And in music, automotive, printing ...
    All these Chervonny guitars - deflated Shadows, and modern singers - brazenly deflate 90% of the repertoire in the West, without even rearranging the lines, as in the USSR.

  • Radikal Offline Radikal
    Radikal 8 November 2020 12: 51
    +2
    As a matter of fact, the representatives of the current “fifth column” are just as selflessly working to destroy their own country in all sorts of programs of Western NGOs for the same reason.

    The author, you take a narrow and superficial way - these "representatives" have been working tirelessly for a long time in various state bodies, they "permeate" the entire vertical of power, so the country has not just been marking time for 30 years, but has been steadily bent down. sad
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 8 November 2020 13: 52
    +2
    1. Culture as a social phenomenon is a set of material and spiritual values ​​acquired by a particular nationality in the process of its historical development, which is based on the method of production of material goods, which determines the level of culture achieved by society through education, science, art, etc. etc.
    2. An indicator of the social level of culture is the technical level of production based on scientific discoveries, which are based on the literacy of the population and its education.
    3. A feature of culture is its class character and serves the interests of the ruling class.
    4. National characteristics of culture are formed on the basis of language, traditions and living conditions, and therefore distinguish between the culture of the ruling class and the culture of slaves, the so-called. “Street culture”.
    5. Progress is a consistent development from simple to complex within the framework of the existing social system, the level of progress of which is determined by the mode of production, which depends on the productive forces, the instruments of production, and a change in the mode of production leads to a change in production relations and productive forces, the social system and everything associated with it.

    We lost the battle for the minds of the people 30 years ago, but this war is not over yet.

    It ended, because one in the field is not a warrior, and in the boyar duma he has no support for the party, just as Xi Jiping relies on the Chinese Communist Party and the dictatorship of the proletariat. Therefore, sooner or later, big capital will get out of the control of the state and, with a high degree of probability, will be divided along ethnic lines, which dooms the state to collapse, followed by the colonization of its fragments by neighboring and more developed states.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 8 November 2020 14: 55
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      An indicator of the social level of culture is

      - condition of outdoor toilets ...
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 8 November 2020 16: 36
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      It ended, because one in the field is not a warrior, and in the boyar duma he has no support for the party, just as Xi Jiping relies on the Chinese Communist Party and the dictatorship of the proletariat.

      In my opinion, you simplify and idealize the Chinese reality, hammer in the search:

      Chinese "Komsomol members"

      Well, or briefly on the link:

      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2047342

      And with the dictatorship of the proletariat, this is not about China No.
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 November 2020 16: 29
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    Something the author began for health, and finished for the repose.
    If Peter chose the "Western way" 300 years ago (although earlier the Russian kingdom was not particularly Asian) is it not too late to change something? As they say, it's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off. RF is a European country.
    And the reality today is that you are either part of the "Western" (in a broad sense) civilization (world-system), or you are on the sidelines of progress (again, in a broad sense).
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 November 2020 20: 56
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      RF is a European country.

      Sounds the same as: the continent is part of the peninsula.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 November 2020 23: 54
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        HA-HA-HA !!! Here you are joking! Have you come up with it yourself?
        1. Dear sofa expert. 9 November 2020 00: 04
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          HA-HA-HA !!! Here you are joking! Have you come up with it yourself?

          Well, yes, of course. Do you repeat someone's jokes?)
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 9 November 2020 01: 41
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            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            Well, yes, of course. Do you repeat someone's jokes?)

            In different ways, but such a stunning, as yours, just can not come up with.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 9 November 2020 09: 05
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              In different ways, but such a stunning, as yours, just can not come up with.

              You know, I noticed that everyone likes my jokes better. than yours.)

              And the reality today is that you are either part of the "Western" (in a broad sense) civilization (world-system), or you are on the sidelines of progress (again, in a broad sense).

              Interestingly, but how would China, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, etc., who are sitting "on the sidelines of progress" rate your jokes?

              Are they also on the sidelines of your Polish / Baltic / Romanian / Bulgarian progress?)
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 9 November 2020 15: 48
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                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                You know, I noticed that everyone likes my jokes better. than yours.)

                Who can argue, you are such a wit! Where to me.

                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                Interestingly, but how would China, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, etc., who are sitting "on the sidelines of progress" rate your jokes?

                Who told you that they are "on the sidelines of progress"? In Japan, all institutions of power are copies from European ones, the Japanese wear clothes made according to the patterns of European fashion, Japanese films are mainly shot according to European canons, Japanese contemporary music also has European roots. Yes, there is a strong influence of traditions, but "Western" practices dominate. Japan is a leading capitalist country with a democratic (liberal) form of government. The same is South Korea. I'm sure it's the same in Singapore.
                In general, communists rule in China, and the communist idea, as you and I know, is a product of "Western civilization." Communism is one of the offshoots of libertarianism, and the communists are "Westernizing" extremists.
                It is likely that the new leader of the "Western" world will be China. However, political instability in China can be expected in the near future due to the imperfect system of government and the bourgeoisization of the Chinese.
                On the sidelines Africa and some Asian countries (whatever Bhutan and Bangladesh).
                1. Dear sofa expert. 9 November 2020 16: 00
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                  It is likely that the new leader of the "Western" world will be China.

                  Yes Yes. It's time to cancel the compass altogether, since all paths lead to the West!)
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 9 November 2020 23: 10
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                    Is Western "civilization" a geographic concept for you?
                    Ahhh ... I get it, you're sharpening again. The talent of a comedian is lost in you. Can you go to Comedy Club?
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 10 November 2020 00: 40
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                      Is Western "civilization" a geographic concept for you?

                      Well yes. I taught at school: north, south, west, east. What's wrong with that?

                      And for you, as I understand it, the word is west, this is something ... soft, fluffy, incredibly fabulous, affectionately, inviting to you ... a kind of manna from heaven, right?)

                      You are directly praying for this word.

                      Are you sure it is praying for you too?
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 10 November 2020 09: 55
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                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Well yes. I taught at school: north, south, west, east. What's wrong with that?

                        And, that is, South Africa is an African "civilization" (or South), Australia with New Zealand South East? And then what is the RF? Eastern? Central? West-East?
                        Is it even more difficult for the Americans then? For them, Europe is an eastern "civilization" and China is western?
                        Admit it, you are humorous again.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        And for you, as I understand it, the word is west, this is something ... soft, fluffy, incredibly fabulous, affectionately, inviting to you ... a kind of manna from heaven, right?)

                        It is not always clear to me when you are humorous or just talking nonsense, as for example in this case.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        You are directly praying for this word.

                        Are you sure it is praying for you too?

                        Or this.

                        Type in "world-system" in Google, read at least the definition in Wikipedia. It seems to me that this concept is closer to the actual state of affairs than a civilizational approach is admissible.
                      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 03: 22
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                        Well yes. I taught at school: north, south, west, east. What's wrong with that?

                        Mdeee ... not to see the difference between the cardinal points (west, east, north, south) and socio-economic systems - you need to have a special, extra chromosome.
              2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 13 November 2020 01: 58
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                Interestingly, but how would China, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, etc., who are sitting "on the sidelines of progress" rate your jokes?

                An excellent example. Before Japan (during the Meiji Restoration) and South Korea (in the 50s) partially (but to a large extent) adopted the Western way of politics, social life and economy, these were backward feudal countries that were at the level of the European Middle Ages ), which had an archaic and ineffective economy. After these events, the explosive growth of these countries began, which made them world leaders in welfare, industrial and scientific development.

                China's development also began when it first partially moved away from Maoist insanity towards the liberalization of the political and economic system.

                The same is with other "Asian tigers" - Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong. In all these countries, the political, social and economic structure to one degree or another is based on Western principles.
  • nikolai.shupenin 8 November 2020 19: 28
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    Everyone makes dollars and not rubles. When the ruble is the world currency then they will love us.
  • Western guys will be more polite and so the same
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 8 November 2020 20: 05
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    The easiest way is with the "elite" of Eastern Europe. Do as we say?
    An office and a lifelong job in Brussels with a very large salary, then a pension, one hundred of ours. Who will refuse?
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 8 November 2020 23: 16
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    What is the secret of the unlimited influence of the United States in the world

    In the global dollar hegemony. Therefore, the primary task of all oil-producing and all those wishing to free themselves from the US dictatorship of the states of the world is to avoid making settlements in dollars.
    By increasing gold and foreign exchange reserves, alternative rating and other agencies, stock exchanges, banks, money transfer systems, etc., etc. Transfer of international settlements into renminbi, euro, expansion of trade in national currencies. Then and only then will US global hegemony come to an end.
    1. Georgievic Offline Georgievic
      Georgievic (Georgievic) 11 November 2020 21: 47
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      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      In the global dollar hegemony. Therefore, the primary task of all oil-producing and all those wishing to free themselves from the US dictatorship of the states of the world is to avoid making settlements in dollars.

      Not a fig! Dig deeper - the reason is in the state policy of hegemony, in the idea! And the rest is a consequence!
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 9 November 2020 00: 20
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    Finally, a couple of hours ago, McFaul (the former ambassador to the Russian Federation) noticed that Putin did not congratulate Biden. And Xi did not congratulate.
    Delight, over the abundance of congratulations, is coming to naught. And then, they noticed that there are no two, the most important ones. You look, they will think about what it could mean.
    Well, the President of Mexico did not congratulate me. He said that we must wait until the end of the electoral process. And also a neighbor is called ...
    Such is the "unexpected reprimand." (FROM)
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 9 November 2020 10: 15
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    Having no claims to the talent of the same "Beatles", it should be noted that their and not only their popularity among Soviet youth became one of the stones that dumped "the great, mighty Soviet Union".

    And Mozart, Beethoven and Bach did not become one of the stones that dumped Tsarist Russia, or "the great, mighty Soviet Union"?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 November 2020 12: 15
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      You shouldn't be ironic. This annoyed the youth very much. It's not even about Western music. Getting more or less high quality recordings of Western bands was not a problem. The new disc could be bought from the farmers for an amount ranging from half to the whole salary of a novice engineer. Accordingly, a skilled worker could afford it without overwork. For 3 - 5 rubles it was possible to rewrite this disc from someone.
      That is, if you really want to - then no problem, although annoying.
      The situation was worse with their own groups. There were many good bands of their own. But recording a disc was not realistic for them. The state was a monopolist. And the content of the disc being recorded was also under control. And the circulation was such that it was easier to buy the Queen disc than Yuri Antonov. I'm talking about the 70s, early 80s. And not about Moscow. They knew that these groups existed. We heard something on the radio (a drop in the ocean), went to concerts. But with quality recordings - a big problem.
      Muslim Magomayev, Alla Yoshpe and Stakhan Rakhimov, Eduard Khil, Vuyachich and so on were piled high in the Melodiya brand stores. But not Antonov, not Singing Guitars, not Araks, not the Time Machine, etc. with ALL of their repertoire. Some of the officially approved ones: Pesnyary, Pugacheva ...
      With the beginning of perestroika, Western artists came to us on tour, and their melody discs appeared (albeit in short supply). And this Gorbachev scored a lot of points among the youth.
  • Semens Offline Semens
    Semens (Semen) 10 November 2020 00: 49
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    To all lovers of the foreign world: I have spent my entire adult life abroad, including the USA and Europe ... I have not seen a better country than the USSR and will never see ... The country that gave me everything I could only dream of ...
    If we do not spoil its remnants in the form of Russia, then there is no better country for the Russian people and I hope for the rest of the peoples inhabiting it ...
  • Yurets Offline Yurets
    Yurets (Yuri) 10 November 2020 01: 52
    +2
    All food is that we do not draw conclusions and do not learn lessons. And we must start with the ruling elite of the Russian Federation, which has accounts and real estate abroad, which allows the special services of our "partners" to keep them on the hook!
  • Semyon Semyonov_2 (Semyon Semyonov) 11 November 2020 17: 39
    0
    Even without reading the answer, in the incessant work of the printing press for a minute.
    And don't argue!
    1. ASK.21.07 Offline ASK.21.07
      ASK.21.07 (Artyom Karagodin) 11 November 2020 18: 25
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      In it (the work of the printing press) too, and to a large extent, but not only, Semyon, not only. Also in what the printed dollars are spent on. And they are spent on Hollywood, and on many other things.
  • Semyon Semyonov_2 (Semyon Semyonov) Yesterday, 06: 43
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    In the incessant work of the printing press.